Preparation for Solar activity 2011 and beyond..

[piercethevale]

I have permission to post this from the source. It comes from Washington...from inside the Pentagon. Take a few deep breaths before you start to read this.

The Earth’s magnetic field is declining in intensity. Protection against the destructive effects of solar storms will be minimal as solar activity peaks in 2013 during the period identified as Solar Cycle 24. Major solar activity is possible during the next five years, with the greatest likelihood of large-scale solar activity in 2013 as predicted by NASA researchers. Various official research establishments throughout the world have also provided data on our solar system’s largest celestial bodies and have concluded the following over the last 15 years:

• Recent solar activity is at its highest level in 8000 years
• Sun's magnetic field has decreased in size by 25%
• A 300% increase in galactic dust entering our solar system
• Mercury’s magnetosphere is experiencing significant increases in intensity
• Venus is exhibiting a 2500% increase in its “green glow”
• Mars is showing a rapid appearance of clouds and ozone
• Mars observations reveal up to 50% erosion of its ice features within a 12-month period
• Jupiter plasma torus is increasing; one of its moon, Io, is exhibiting the same changes
• A 200% increase in the density of Io's plasma torus has been observed
• Jupiter's Disappearance of White Ovals since 1997 and recent increases in storms
• Io's ionosphere is ~1000% higher than previous observations
• Jupiter’s moon Europa is much brighter than scientists expected based on previous data
• Jupiter’s moon Gannymede is 200% brighter than previous observations
• Saturn's plasma torus is ~1000% denser than pervious observations
• Aurorae observed in Saturn's polar regions for the first time in recent years
• Uranus was featureless in 1996; it has exhibited huge storms since 1999
• Uranus in 2004 was also markedly brighter than in 1999
• Neptune is 40% brighter in the near-infrared range based on observations from 1996 - 2002
• Pluto observations reveal a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure

Disruptions throughout the solar system suggest that Solar Cycle 24 will produce solar storms of equal or greater order of magnitude to that of the 1859 Carrington Event which destroyed large portions of the U.S. telegraph system, a more robust precursor grid to that of our modern electrical grid. Data collected over the last three and a half years has charted the declining dark energy density, and can be extrapolated to a null point in dark energy density by 2013. Advanced energy technologies based on dark energy, also known as longitudinal energy, are already being adversely affected and will become non-functional by 2013, and shall remain useless for at least a year, at least until the Earth’s magnetic and longitudinal energy fields reestablish equilibrium following the magnetic pole shift. Some of these technologies are already compromised as a result of decreasing longitudinal energy available to operate the units.

The Earth’s magnetic field is directly related to the dark energy field density. A dark energy null point will be coupled with a negligible magnetic field, resulting in a reversal of the Earth’s magnetic field. A magnetic pole shift may precipitate a physical pole shift at some point during this transitory period. The greatest concern prior to a physical pole shift is the loss of protection against solar radiation. A physical pole shift would be catastrophic from a geophysical point of view; or in other words, few if any buildings would be left standing following a physical pole shift. Our modern civilization would simply cease to exist; however, humanity would remain intact, albeit at greatly reduced population levels.

Recently, advanced energy researchers operating outside the military industrial complex began charting dark energy density levels and have recently reported their findings to trusted parties within the advanced energy community. Only recently was it possible for them to make the connection between dark energy and its effects on Earth’s magnetic field. It took the sporadic malfunctioning and eventual total shutdown of several alternative energy technologies to enable these researchers to fully investigate the matter in depth. Some of these more sensitive units started operating erratically last year, and quit working completely by the end of May 2011. Other researchers within this loose-knit network have been contacted, some of whom also reporting the same erratic behavior of the advanced energy units requiring the extraction of dark energy from beyond the zero-point barrier. For example, several autotune water resonance controllers began operating erratically and quit working altogether during the same timeframe through May 2011.

The dark energy source that drives these advanced technologies is rapidly declining; these units will be as useless as dead batteries during this period of heightened solar activity. May 2013 coincides with the timeframe predicted for the dark energy pressure dropping to below the electromagnetic energy level, resulting in the loss of Earth’s effective protection from solar radiation.

The null point will indicate the beginning of reversal of phase (similar to polarity) of dark energy in 2013, and the rise in dark energy density following the reversal will exceed the light energy level by 2014. Once the Earth’s magnetic field and magnetosphere re-establish balance, the magnetic field will be reversed in polarity. It is this magnetic polarity reversal that may precipitate a physical pole shift. Precursor ‘symptoms’ will become apparent in 2012.

Humanity and other life on Earth will need protection from the solar radiation and charged particles that will be bombarding the Earth’s surface during this transitionary phase of Earth’s evolution. The solar maximum of the current solar cycle will occur within this period, and will be greater than current solar cycle predictions would suggest. These predictions do not take into account the effects that this minimum dark energy density will have on the sun. As early as mid-2012, declining dark energy levels will be insufficient to buffer and stabilize the Earth’s magnetic field; and solar output will become erratic by that time, as well.

There is still some time to prepare for those who have already started the process of living completely independently of centralized infrastructures (food, water, energy, etc.), but not enough time left to begin construction on new housing units from the ground up (prefabricated homes and log cabins being the only exceptions). Seriously consider an underground shelter or radiation-hardened shelter of some sort to protect your family from the solar and cosmic radiation during the next few years. Store critical survival electronics in EMP hardened containers. If possible, reside in an area where indigenous peoples already live, and be prepared to live off the land as they have been doing successfully for thousands of years without the luxuries of modern life. Due to the large increase in geophysical activity during this period, ensure that any shelter constructed can withstand large-scale earthquakes and is located above 1300 feet elevation if the structures are in direct line with a coastline. The risk of tsunamis is a concern during periods of major geophysical displacement, as recently evidenced by the Japanese earthquakes.

Stockpile food, heirloom seeds and emergency supplies to last for as long as possible – whatever your budget and network can afford. Be sure to protect and store heirloom organic seeds for medicinal plants and food crops, as plant life in your area may receive too much radiation from the sun to survive during the growing season, or weather patterns may be too erratic to allow for crops to produce food/herbs from one season to the next. Learn to live a nomadic life through first-hand experimentation if possible, or at least review material to familiarize yourself and your family with this way of life. Engage in active prayer and meditation individually and with family/friends. Learn to breathe deeply, eat healthy, and maintain a healthy state of mind through laughter and light-hearted spiritedness. Several years will transpire before the Earth and its inhabitants recover from this event.

...more can be found at this link: http://psci.us/2012-2015.htm

[BobZemco]

I have permission to post this from the source. It comes from Washington...from inside the Pentagon. Take a few deep breaths before you start to read this.

That's a chain e-mail. The source doesn't even have a clue where the Pentagon is and probably thinks Washington DC is a State.

• Recent solar activity is at its highest level in 8000 years.

That would be totally contrary to a report published three days ago by the US Air Force who just concurred with several other astrophysical organizations that the Sun is heading into a minimum. A minimum is decreased solar activity.

The likely result of a minimum is a "mini-Ice Age"


USAF/NOAA Report of Solar and Geophysical Activity
SDF Number 162 Issued at 2200Z on 11 Jun 2011
IA. Analysis of Solar Active Regions and Activity from 10/2100Z
to 11/2100Z: Solar activity decreased to very low levels. Occasional
B-class x-ray flares occurred. There were three small,
simply-structured spots groups on the disk, including newly-numbered
Region 1235 (N14E27). No Earth-directed coronal mass ejections
occurred during the period.
IB. Solar Activity Forecast: Solar activity is expected to be very
low through the period (12 - 14 June) with a slight chance for a
C-class flare.
IIA. Geophysical Activity Summary 10/2100Z to 11/2100Z:
Geomagnetic activity was at quiet to active levels. Active levels
occurred during 11/0300 - 0600Z, associated with a period of
increased interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) Bt (peak 10 nT) and
southward IMF Bz (peak deflection -8 nT). ACE solar wind data
indicated a co-rotating interaction region occurred during the first
half of the period, in advance of a coronal hole high-speed stream
(CH HSS). The CH HSS commenced around 11/1025Z, followed by a
gradual increase in solar wind speeds (380 to 460 km/s) during the
rest of the period.
IIB. Geophysical Activity Forecast: Geomagnetic activity is
expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels during days 1 - 3 (12 -
14 June) with a chance for brief active periods due to CH HSS
effects.
III. Event Probabilities 12 Jun-14 Jun
Class M 01/01/01
Class X 01/01/01
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green

As you can see, the Sun isn't doing much of anything.

[piercethevale]

Bob...you never fail to leave me speechless...
My good friend and Clairvoyant...without knowing of this report...has told me to avoid the Sun the rest of this year...something about a 12 fold increase in certain emissions...'nuff said.

[bittermoon]

Kind of reminds me of an episode from Curb Your Enthusiasm: 'The Terrorist Attack'.

Carpe Diem.

[piercethevale]

All I'm saying is, it is better to be prepared than to end up being prepared...for a grave.:wink:

[bittermoon]

If those 'predictions' or whatever you call them, really come true, I'd much rather be dead. Living in shelters and living in fear and total uncertainty, dealing with sowing heirloom seeds and worrying about stockpiling foods and emergency supplies strangely doesn't appeal to me.

[piercethevale]

If those 'predictions' or whatever you call them, really come true, I'd much rather be dead. Living in shelters and living in fear and total uncertainty, dealing with sowing heirloom seeds and worrying about stockpiling foods and emergency supplies strangely doesn't appeal to me.
Bummer...my mother was born in a Log Cabin in 1928 in Oklahoma...Her father before Her...His father in one in Texas...His father in Missouri...His father in Kentucky and His father inherited the farm His father built from wilderness in Virginia...who fought in the Revolution and upon losing his wife to childbirth in the 1790s takes a young Powhaton bride, leaves the newborn girl and the farm to his grown son and goes off into the Kentucky wilderness in 1804 and starts over...and it all started with Richard Hough Quaker Founding Father and "The 'Settler' of Bucks Co.", Penn. in 1686...we'll have supper ready for ya if you get hungry!

[LionLady]

That's a chain e-mail. The source doesn't even have a clue where the Pentagon is and probably thinks Washington DC is a State.

That would be totally contrary to a report published three days ago by the US Air Force who just concurred with several other astrophysical organizations that the Sun is heading into a minimum. A minimum is decreased solar activity.

The likely result of a minimum is a "mini-Ice Age"

As you can see, the Sun isn't doing much of anything.

Yes, I'd heard that too. Also included in the report was the statement that although there is likely to be a "mini-Ice Age" the cooling effect of this was likely to be about 1/3 of the current predicted global warming effect over the same period of time.

So really, the most likely outcome is a 1/3 decrease in the global warming effects, rather than any noticeable global cooling.
:whistling:

[Culpeper]

I follow these dire predictions and have found that they never happen. Disasters do occur but not what was predicted. The people who make these predictions are certainly not mundane astrologers. If they have any method about them, it is just the use of trends. But trends eventually run their course and the predictions fail.

The last solar maximum in the 11 year cycle had an exceptional number of sun spots and flares. From that they were predicting that this time solar storms would be so great that power grids and communication systems would fail. However, as Bob Zemco has written, solar activity is much weaker now and this is expected to continue. My compass still points north all the time. A physical polar shift would defy the laws of physics.

Disasters are happening, but if you are hit by a tornado, hurricane earthquake or tsunami that usually wipes out all your preparations even if you survive the event itself. Make reasonable preparation, but do not over do it.

[piercethevale]

I follow these dire predictions and have found that they never happen. Disasters do occur but not what was predicted. The people who make these predictions are certainly not mundane astrologers. If they have any method about them, it is just the use of trends. But trends eventually run their course and the predictions fail.

The last solar maximum in the 11 year cycle had an exceptional number of sun spots and flares. From that they were predicting that this time solar storms would be so great that power grids and communication systems would fail. However, as Bob Zemco has written, solar activity is much weaker now and this is expected to continue. My compass still points north all the time. A physical polar shift would defy the laws of physics.

Disasters are happening, but if you are hit by a tornado, hurricane earthquake or tsunami that usually wipes out all your preparations even if you survive the event itself. Make reasonable preparation, but do not over do it.


Predictions?...I think you have 'Pentagram confused with Pentagon"...I know the source of this, SCIENTIFIC, report...I have every reason to trust his sincerity and honesty. Is the report based on 'good science'? ..that's the only question...
...and there have been catastrophes on Earth of such major proportions that it took most of the population and brought everyone back to practically, 'Square One"...mankind has been on this planet for nearly a quarter of a million years...and yet, we have very little knowledge of History before apprx. 2200 B.C. ...as that time is considered to be the age of the Pyramids, by dull, uninspired, tenure clinging, fear of censure and controversy Anthropologists and their Ilk....Edgar Cayce said they had been built far longer back in time ...aprx. 10,200 B.C. ...of which a small but growing number of that 'scientific oriented'...ILK...now concede to ...and their number is growing.
Matter of fact...I rarely listen to 'Sage Seer or Clairvoyant about what they 'See' for the future...even if they are 100% accurate as to the past or present...but Cayce was in a League all His own...That kind of gift isn't seen or heard of before in every case...because that kind of gift is a one in ten billion occurrence...[maybe rarer!]...but, Cayce did mention that right before everything "POPPED" after the end of the 20th century ...increased activity in radiations/emissions and very noticeable Sun spot activity....that it will mark the start of some long years of tribulations...and the Sun will continue to act strangely during those years.

[Mark]

Firstly, one small correction, Cayce stated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was built in almost exactly 100 years between 10,490 B.C. and 10,390 B.C., though I'm sure there are other dates for other parts of the building project (such as the Sphinx and underground pyramids). He also stated that the stones were made to float in air in the same manner as iron can be made to float in water (referring to the works of Elisha in 2 Kings 6:1-7). Another fun, but "non-Cayce," point is Coral Castle. Edward Leedskalnin (a Latvian scientist who migrated to America) built the entire structure of 1,100 tons of coral blocks by himself. He never allowed anyone to observe his work and when asked how he could have accomplished this by himself, he said that he had discovered the technique used to build the Great Pyramid. For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle and http://coralcastle.com/

Anyway, as to the variations in the Sun's behaviour, Cayce said that sun spots are the result of man's expression of will, directly stating that a person might cause either good functioning or a disturbance (sun spot or solar storm) on the Sun's surface through his expressions in his own life. I've wondered how that might work ever since reading it and I recently stumbled across a NASA article that may explain things ( http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/ ). Apparently there are things known as "flux transfer events" (FTE's) that occur between the Sun and Earth approximately every eight minutes. NASA's conclusions in 2008 were that the particle interaction between the Sun and Earth sparks (almost like a bolt of lightning), rather than functioning as a steady flow. Every eight minutes or so, the Sun's magnetic field and the Earth's magnetic field will "connect" or "arc" to each other, forming a "portal" through which solar particles pass directly into the Earth's magnetosphere.

One really interesting point mentioned in the article is the fact that FTE's have been identified and tracked by satellites. What we have observed is that the FTE's tend to start at the Earth's equator and then "spiral" or "slide" toward the pole of Earth that is farthest from the Sun. Once I read that, I began wondering, "Well, what is happening at the other pole while this is going on?" It's possible that there are two flows, one in and one out. To my knowledge, this "dual flow" has not been confirmed, but would seem to be a reasonable extrapolation, considering the nature of electric systems. It would also provide an observable mechanism for Cayce's claim that the will (and therefore the creations of) man have a direct impact on the Sun's surface (which is primarily dominated by electromagnetic influences).

Anyway, given that human expressions do have an impact on the Sun, it would only be natural to conclude that serious changes in human interaction can cause serious changes in the immediate functioning of the Sun. Cayce stated that this is true and we have at least one potential mechanism. Even further, I wonder what impact an understanding of such dynamics might have upon methods of astrology?

[piercethevale]

Firstly, one small correction, Cayce stated that the Great Pyramid at Giza was built in almost exactly 100 years between 10,490 B.C. and 10,390 B.C., though I'm sure there are other dates for other parts of the building project (such as the Sphinx and underground pyramids). He also stated that the stones were made to float in air in the same manner as iron can be made to float in water (referring to the works of Elisha in 2 Kings 6:1-7). Another fun, but "non-Cayce," point is Coral Castle. Edward Leedskalnin (a Latvian scientist who migrated to America) built the entire structure of 1,100 tons of coral blocks by himself. He never allowed anyone to observe his work and when asked how he could have accomplished this by himself, he said that he had discovered the technique used to build the Great Pyramid. For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle and http://coralcastle.com/

Anyway, as to the variations in the Sun's behaviour, Cayce said that sun spots are the result of man's expression of will, directly stating that a person might cause either good functioning or a disturbance (sun spot or solar storm) on the Sun's surface through his expressions in his own life. I've wondered how that might work ever since reading it and I recently stumbled across a NASA article that may explain things ( http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/ ). Apparently there are things known as "flux transfer events" (FTE's) that occur between the Sun and Earth approximately every eight minutes. NASA's conclusions in 2008 were that the particle interaction between the Sun and Earth sparks (almost like a bolt of lightning), rather than functioning as a steady flow. Every eight minutes or so, the Sun's magnetic field and the Earth's magnetic field will "connect" or "arc" to each other, forming a "portal" through which solar particles pass directly into the Earth's magnetosphere.

One really interesting point mentioned in the article is the fact that FTE's have been identified and tracked by satellites. What we have observed is that the FTE's tend to start at the Earth's equator and then "spiral" or "slide" toward the pole of Earth that is farthest from the Sun. Once I read that, I began wondering, "Well, what is happening at the other pole while this is going on?" It's possible that there are two flows, one in and one out. To my knowledge, this "dual flow" has not been confirmed, but would seem to be a reasonable extrapolation, considering the nature of electric systems. It would also provide an observable mechanism for Cayce's claim that the will (and therefore the creations of) man have a direct impact on the Sun's surface (which is primarily dominated by electromagnetic influences).

Anyway, given that human expressions do have an impact on the Sun, it would only be natural to conclude that serious changes in human interaction can cause serious changes in the immediate functioning of the Sun. Cayce stated that this is true and we have at least one potential mechanism. Even further, I wonder what impact an understanding of such dynamics might have upon methods of astrology?

Alright, Mr. exact facts and figures...I was close enough...the exact date wasn't that important or the point. But, thanks for the supporting data.
Cayce also remarked, on at least one occasion, that the Sun spots were either, due directly to the activities of the Sons of Light on earth or indirectly a cause. [AS...I can't remember exactly.]
One of the ancient Sanskrit Sun Pujas I do each morning, states the the Sun is our nourisher but that We [especially those of us doing the Pujas/Rites/etc.] are in turn the nourisher of IT!
You'll also find that there is a legend that the stones at Stonehenge were brought there in the same manner. The old tune of Greensleves is involved in this legend. I'll let you look it up as I would want to have my facts and data exact...just for you.:wink:

ps...nice mention as to the Coral Castle...I've been hip to that story for years...couple of magazine articles...a chapter in some book I read...It was a documentry on either PBS or the History Channel too. I worked at Rancho Murietta Country Club, back in the 80s' refinishing all the wood work...I had to work the 'Grave Yard' shift. There was a janitor there that had worked at Aerojet in Sacramento Co. He told me there was a 'Foreigner', an engineer, that only worked nights there and only alone...as that was his request. He worked in a high security area, the 'Highest' at Aerojet. He told me that one night he had gone into the area to do something or another and saw that the door was open to the hanger like building, or area, that was part of the high security area. He looked inside and that engineer was working on a large aircraft of some sort...and apparently didn't need any assistance. He was levitating large and very heavy components, and that somehow, he was also directing them into place...It was just a story...but things of a 'certain nature' was the topic of the conversation we were having.

[LionLady]

Alright, Mr. exact facts and figures...
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You'll also find that there is a legend that the stones at Stonehenge were brought there in the same manner. The old tune of Greensleves is involved in this legend. I'll let you look it up as I would want to have my facts and data exact...just for you.:wink:

I’d really like to know how Greensleeves got mixed up with Stonehenge! After all, Stonehenge was in its present place at least as early as the second Roman invasion of Britain – some 1500 years before Greensleeves is recorded.

And some other irrelevant facts: despite the romantic legend, Henry VIII is extremely unlikely to have written either the tune or the lyrics to the song. The tune, particularly, is written in a musical form that was unknown in England before the Elizabethan period (1558-1603). The first recorded (published) version dates from 1580. The Stationers Company was always meticulous about keeping the records for new publications, and this is their dating for it.

Green Sleeves is probably a reference to a prostitute or courtesan, since at this date women in this line of work generally wore green sleeves to distinguish them from “respectable” women.

And before anyone comments – at this period the three principal parts of women’s clothing – skirt, bodice, sleeves – were generally SEPARATE articles of clothing worn over a linen undergarment called a shift. Having three bits of an outfit that all matched was expensive, and therefore showed high status. On a practical point, having detached sleeves meant that a hard-working middle-class wife could add the sleeves when not doing anything arduous, and so cover up any stains the sleeves of the shift had acquired during the day. Slashed sleeves, which were fashionable in the 16th century courts, showed off the finer undergarments – and also showed that the higher status people who wore them didn’t have to engage in manual labour.

Finally, it is also unlikely that Green Sleeves is a corruption of the (Irish) Gaelic "Griann" (sun) and "Sliabh" (mountain) since I have been told that languages puts adjectives after the noun, not before, and generally inserts an "of" word, thus sunny mountain would become Mountain of sun, or Sliabh na Griann" (Sleeves of Green, anyone?)
:surprised:

[piercethevale]

I’d really like to know how Greensleeves got mixed up with Stonehenge! After all, Stonehenge was in its present place at least as early as the second Roman invasion of Britain – some 1500 years before Greensleeves is recorded.

And some other irrelevant facts: despite the romantic legend, Henry VIII is extremely unlikely to have written either the tune or the lyrics to the song. The tune, particularly, is written in a musical form that was unknown in England before the Elizabethan period (1558-1603). The first recorded (published) version dates from 1580. The Stationers Company was always meticulous about keeping the records for new publications, and this is their dating for it.

Green Sleeves is probably a reference to a prostitute or courtesan, since at this date women in this line of work generally wore green sleeves to distinguish them from “respectable” women.

And before anyone comments – at this period the three principal parts of women’s clothing – skirt, bodice, sleeves – were generally SEPARATE articles of clothing worn over a linen undergarment called a shift. Having three bits of an outfit that all matched was expensive, and therefore showed high status. On a practical point, having detached sleeves meant that a hard-working middle-class wife could add the sleeves when not doing anything arduous, and so cover up any stains the sleeves of the shift had acquired during the day. Slashed sleeves, which were fashionable in the 16th century courts, showed off the finer undergarments – and also showed that the higher status people who wore them didn’t have to engage in manual labour.

Finally, it is also unlikely that Green Sleeves is a corruption of the (Irish) Gaelic "Griann" (sun) and "Sliabh" (mountain) since I have been told that languages puts adjectives after the noun, not before, and generally inserts an "of" word, thus sunny mountain would become Mountain of sun, or Sliabh na Griann" (Sleeves of Green, anyone?)
:surprised:


Yeah, I read a lot of that as per the objections of others as to this 'legend. The source claims it was the music it self...not the words...as the words were written in King Henrys' time.
I don't remember the web-site. I do remember that this was accomplished by using a route that always had a hill [or two hills and a valley between]. A 'Wizard' would stand atop one of the hills [or it may have been two 'Wizards, one on each hill and utilize the tune in some way and cause the stones to levitate...but that the 'Wizards' sleeves would glow green during the process.

[LionLady]

Yeah, I read a lot of that as per the objections of others as to this 'legend. The source claims it was the music it self...not the words...as the words were written in King Henrys' time.
I don't remember the web-site. I do remember that this was accomplished by using a route that always had a hill [or two hills and a valley between]. A 'Wizard' would stand atop one of the hills [or it may have been two 'Wizards, one on each hill and utilize the tune in some way and cause the stones to levitate...but that the 'Wizards' sleeves would glow green during the process.

Point 1 - I refer you back to what I said about the tune - it is in a new musical form that did not exist until after the death of King Henry.

Point 2 - The legend of bringing the Altar Stone of Stonehenge from Tara to Stonehenge (possibly by Merlin) is just that. Merlin is not (even in legend) supposed to have existed until after the Roman occupation of Britain ended in the 4th Century CE. The Stones are known to have been in situ before the Romans arrived. Ergo, someone who lived after the Romans left, could not have brought something that was there before they arrived!:rightful:

[piercethevale]

Point 1 - I refer you back to what I said about the tune - it is in a new musical form that did not exist until after the death of King Henry.

Point 2 - The legend of bringing the Altar Stone of Stonehenge from Tara to Stonehenge (possibly by Merlin) is just that. Merlin is not (even in legend) supposed to have existed until after the Roman occupation of Britain ended in the 4th Century CE. The Stones are known to have been in situ before the Romans arrived. Ergo, someone who lived after the Romans left, could not have brought something that was there before they arrived!:rightful:

...Not the form of the music...but the tonality...and Merlin lives...even now. [There are those that believe He is St. Germain...one and the same]

[LionLady]

...Not the form of the music...but the tonality...and Merlin lives...even now. [There are those that believe He is St. Germain...one and the same]

It is the FORM of the music that shapes the tune - and specifically makes it a particular tune.

Saying "it's the tonality" is like saying - "it was something in that key", or "something that went up and down the scale that way".

So, the TUNE commonly known as GREENSLEEVES would apparently have nothing whatsoever to do with the legend to which you have referred.:rightful:

[piercethevale]

I'm not a musician...but I do play a banjo [rimshot]...I'm just relaying what I can remember of what I read.
If you're serious about this you can do the follow up research. I gave you what clues I ran across.
Civilization is far, far older than most people realize and very, very few know or want to admit. I seriously doubt any thing NEW has been invented musically, except 'RAP'...if you call that music.

[LionLady]

I'm not a musician...but I do play a banjo [rimshot]...I'm just relaying what I can remember of what I read.
If you're serious about this you can do the follow up research. I gave you what clues I ran across.
Civilization is far, far older than most people realize and very, very few know or want to admit. I seriously doubt any thing NEW has been invented musically, except 'RAP'...if you call that music.

A lot of new things have been invented musically speaking over the last 5,000 years. Music is an art form, and its development is similar to that of language, particularly poetry. Musical forms develop alongside the instruments available to play them and the uses to which those forms are put - religious, dancing, solo performance, group singing, and so forth. And just as the language and form define a "poem", so the scale/mode/key and form define a "tune". That's all I'm saying. I don't need to do "follow up research" to know that Greensleeves, as the tune we know, in the key and form that is used to define it, did not exist prior to 1580 - and therefore that specific tune could not have been used in connection with the construction/development of Stonehenge.:w00t:

[piercethevale]

A lot of new things have been invented musically speaking over the last 5,000 years. Music is an art form, and its development is similar to that of language, particularly poetry. Musical forms develop alongside the instruments available to play them and the uses to which those forms are put - religious, dancing, solo performance, group singing, and so forth. And just as the language and form define a "poem", so the scale/mode/key and form define a "tune". That's all I'm saying. I don't need to do "follow up research" to know that Greensleeves, as the tune we know, in the key and form that is used to define it, did not exist prior to 1580 - and therefore that specific tune could not have been used in connection with the construction/development of Stonehenge.:w00t:
Suit yourself.:innocent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx-EQTIHp2A no one every does it like that anymore...

ps...5,000 years?...I'm talking 225,000 years....
The Pyramids were built around 10,250 B.C.

[LionLady]

Suit yourself.:innocent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx-EQTIHp2A no one every does it like that anymore...

ps...5,000 years?...I'm talking 225,000 years....
The Pyramids were built around 10,250 B.C.

I don't think so - and yes, I have seen all the "evidence":ninja:

[piercethevale]

I don't think so - and yes, I have seen all the "evidence":ninja:

"ALL", is a relative word....

[Mark]

Nobody has seen ALL the evidence. Actually, this is the time of separation between Light and dark. Nearly all of the ancient teachings have been forgotten and are now called silly superstition whenever someone tries to bring them back. It was planned that this time should be a time of ignorance. Seriously, even the strictest of geologists (one of which I know personally) will say that there is evidence Homo Sapiens has been around 170,000+ years. Look around us right now. We went from dirt floored, thatch huts to stadiums and skyscrapers in less than 2,000 years. Knowing that humans have existed, thinking and talking the way we do now, for around 200,000 years, think what we could accomplish in THAT amount of time!

The Earth is really good at recycling materials. Do you know how difficult it is to stumble onto something more than 10,000 years old? Most (50%+) of human life sticks to the coasts. The coasts are now more than 300 feet higher than they were 15,000 years ago. On top of that, we've got the glaciers from the last ice age chill and many major geological changes. The Nile used to flow from Ethiopia due West to the Atlantic ocean. Cayce said this in the 1940's at the latest (he died in 1945). Today, even untrained eyes can look at a satellite photo of North Africa and see the path of the old Nile. Scientists have once again confirmed Cayce's information. When you study the Cayce material in depth, you will see it happen over and over again. Did you know that the first nail ever used to surgically repair a mangled knee was done according to Cayce's suggestion? There are many such examples of unpredictable predictions and precedents given by Cayce. This is why I believe Cayce's dates for the Great Pyramid at Giza and his date for the first creation of Adamic man (~205,000 B.C.).

Also, in case it might be of interest to anyone, the exodus of the Jewish people out of Egypt (Moses' time) took place ~5,500 B.C. according to Cayce. That's why nobody knows who that pharaoh was. There is no surviving Egyptian record that old!

Anyway, the Greensleeves thing is easily resolved. There is no way of proving. That's the answer. There is no reason some musician could not have written it 150,000 years ago and then passed it down for generations. There is no evidence to say that anyone did. This is what we call "lost in antiquity." We just can't say anything conclusive one way or the other.

P.S. I've always really enjoyed the Greensleeves tune for some reason. It's a very pleasant progression.

[piercethevale]

Bill Graham always had it played at the end of every concert He ever produced.

...I wish I could find my scrapbook I had an article about advanced manufactured [man made] items found in stratified coal that had to be tens of thousands of years old if not hundreds of thousands.

[LionLady]

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The Earth is really good at recycling materials. Do you know how difficult it is to stumble onto something more than 10,000 years old? Most (50%+) of human life sticks to the coasts. The coasts are now more than 300 feet higher than they were 15,000 years ago.

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Anyway, the Greensleeves thing is easily resolved. There is no way of proving. That's the answer. There is no reason some musician could not have written it 150,000 years ago and then passed it down for generations. There is no evidence to say that anyone did. This is what we call "lost in antiquity." We just can't say anything conclusive one way or the other.

P.S. I've always really enjoyed the Greensleeves tune for some reason. It's a very pleasant progression.

Actually, it's surprisingly easy to find stuff that's more than 10,000 years old. We're finding it all the time here in the UK. And it's not so much the earth as the creatures that live on the earth that have "recycled" the rest.

Not all the coasts are 300 feet higher than they were 10,000 years ago. The sea levels have risen in many areas - Europe/North Sea for example. A goodly portion of the early archaeology being recovered in the UK now is being recovered from areas of the sea bed around islands that were once arable land or forest.

With respect to Greensleeves I repeat, the tune - in the form which makes it recognisable and identifiable as Greensleeves - did not exist prior to the mid 16th century and is first recorded in 1580. A short sequence of notes is not the same thing as a recognisable tune, which is why there are such difficulties in legal cases of musical plagiarism!
:bandit:

As far as Cayce's theories are concerned, you are free to believe what you wish. There are as many, if not more, professional scientists who would disagree with his notions than support them. But as a former physics graduate student and the daughter of a professional (GRSM) musician I am free to choose whose research I accept as well.
:kissing:

[Mark]

A scientist must always consider the evidence and the evidence only. We must follow good research, not authority opinion. As long as this is agreeable, we have no problems. :joyful:

[piercethevale]

Actually, it's surprisingly easy to find stuff that's more than 10,000 years old. We're finding it all the time here in the UK. And it's not so much the earth as the creatures that live on the earth that have "recycled" the rest.

Not all the coasts are 300 feet higher than they were 10,000 years ago. The sea levels have risen in many areas - Europe/North Sea for example. A goodly portion of the early archaeology being recovered in the UK now is being recovered from areas of the sea bed around islands that were once arable land or forest.

With respect to Greensleeves I repeat, the tune - in the form which makes it recognisable and identifiable as Greensleeves - did not exist prior to the mid 16th century and is first recorded in 1580. A short sequence of notes is not the same thing as a recognisable tune, which is why there are such difficulties in legal cases of musical plagiarism!
:bandit:

As far as Cayce's theories are concerned, you are free to believe what you wish. There are as many, if not more, professional scientists who would disagree with his notions than support them. But as a former physics graduate student and the daughter of a professional (GRSM) musician I am free to choose whose research I accept as well.
:kissing:

...btw...my father was a professional musician also...7 notes is the cut-off for 'plagiarism'...if you copy 8 notes...you are in court! [at least here in the States..it is]