Jesus' Birth Chart

[Andonis]

Xmas is approaching fast. Wishing all festive peace and happiness etc.
Today I wondered what would Jesus' birth chart be like?
Him Being God I am not sure how well Astro applies, but hey when you have a tool try it even if it does not work. You may learn something.
First of all there is argument as to the exact date of His Birth. of course 25th Dec Yr 0 is one most Christians use. Other dates I have found for this are:
7pm 11th Sept 3BC
29th Sept 5BC

I was also wondering how far my character would be from that of Jesus' human character.
I was a little shocked to compare my birth chart and have found quite a few planets in my chart in similar signs but rotated 90 degrees....ouch.
Any natal analysts out there....please discuss it.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesus4.gif
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/jesus1.gif
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/jesus3.gif

[tikana]

That is not a true Jesus'birth date. He is either Aries or Pisces

Although Christmas is celebrated on the 25th day of December each year, the exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown. Most biblical scholars agree that the birth, in fact, did not take place in December at all, but probably occurred during the spring of the year. The Gospel of Luke states that the shepherds to whom the announcement of the birth was made were watching theirs sheep by night (Luke 2:8) which would suggest the lambing time (the spring). Only then did shepherds bother to guard their flocks around the [p. 206] clock. In winter, for example, the sheep would have been kept in the corral.

Why, then, the 25th of December? Actually, the date was chosen not by the Christians, but by Romans, the traditional antagonists of the Early Church.

Each year as the days became noticeably shorter in November and December, the Roman citizens feared that the earth may be "dying". With the "return of the sun" at the end of December resulting in longer days, the Romans celebrated the "Feast of the Sol Invictus" (Unconquerable Sun") on December 25. Bishop Liberius of Rome ordered in 354 that all Christians celebrate the birth of the Christ child on that day. Scholars believe that the bishop chose this date so that Christians, still members of an "outlaw religion" in the eyes of the Romans, could

[Andonis]

I said so and have given you 2 other dates. Try those. However since most people nowadays celebrate it on 25th December I still think this date is of interest as it gives a profile...anyway the challenge is to estimate the date from his life events. Anyway I made it clear there are alternative dates. Why not try those.

http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
and
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
and
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/sukkoth.htm which is Virgo or Pisces.

[Andonis]

Not sure how to do charts BC does anybody know?
What is clear however is that evidence gives us a tolerance on the date of 5 years. This is enought to fix the position of some planets, such as the long distance once at least as they do not move much in this time period. I am sure others have more to say.

[Draco]

Many astronomers consider Jesus to have been born at the time of a rare triple conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in 7 BC which occured in the sign of Pisces. Jesus and Christianity have long been associated with the symbolism of the fish.

This conjunction is bright, and would explain the 'star in the East' that astrologers of the time considered to be the portent of a messiah, and was the star that the three wise men followed to Bethlehem.

The dates for the exacting of these three conjunctions were as follows:

1st - May 27th

2nd - September 29th

3rd - December 3rd

The question is, which of these conjunctions would JC have been born under. We might assume that such a prominent man as Jesus might have been born under the exacting of one of these conjunctions. Personally, I would go for the middle one, the first conjunction announcing to the world the birth of a messiah, the second one delivering him into the world, and the third consolidating his arrival.

Purely speculative of course, but I set the charts for the conjunctions with the first exact conjunction rising in the East, announcing his arrival. The second chart, with the conjunction directly overhead at midheaven (think of the nativity image of Mary and baby Jesus and co. in the stable with the star shining directly overhead), and the third chart with the conjunction setting at the West angle, consolidating the arrival of a great prophet into the world.

I'll uploads these charts later because I'm in a rush. I've tried to do it but I keep screwing things up because I'm rushing.

[Andonis]

Looking forward to it Draco. There is fair arguments that the year was 3-5 BC as mentioned before. I wonder what you think, and how to do BC calc on the net.

[Draco]

The date of these conjunctions was 7BC, but on an astro. program you would enter -6 to account for year '0'.

I'll try to upload these charts now.

**** it! Now I can't save the charts to file for some reason, and I'm rushing so I'll just give you the data:

First conjunction on ascendant, announcing the arrival of a messiah, the 'star in the East':

27th May, -6, 1.20 am, Bethlehem.

.................................................. .................................................. ....

Second conjunction on midheaven, bright star directly over Bethlehem as Jesus is born, the minute of arcs difference in conjunction would make it appear brighter:

28th September, -6, 10.45pm, Bethlehem.

.................................................. .................................................. ....

Third conjunction sets in the West, consolidating the arrival of Jesus into the world.

4th December, -6, 12.05am, Bethlehem.

I'll pop back later on and try and upload the charts.

[Andonis]

Since you sound busy I have uploaded them for you Draco, hope they are right and you dont mind....
See later post by Draco....he has uploaded the chart.

[Andonis]

See later post by Draco....he has uploaded the chart.

[Andonis]

See later post by Draco....he has uploaded the chart.

[tikana]

Look guys,

this is simple. The Astrological Natal Chart of Jesus The Christ,
based on March 1, 7 B.C., 1:30AM, Bethlehem, Judea.. The closest we can get to his true birthdate

the arabian astrologers said that there was a mass conjunction of planets right above bethelhem. And I beleive there was a 2 hour special on history channell last year. I think they might run it again in december. Historians, astrologers and astronomers were looking for the direct clues from a bible. And that conjunction happend between pisces and aries.

A stellium in Pisces in the third house is an indication of extreme focus, genius and brilliancy in the area of spiritual matters with strong emphasis on compassion and communication. The oppositions to Pluto indicate the ability to transform others with compulsion which may be why he was crucified. The trines to Neptune indicate great kindness, highly developed psychic ability and miraculous healing powers. Sagittarius rising signifies a love of freedom and spiritual truth, and the ability to teach.

The shepherds
Luke 2: 8: "And there were shepherds living out in the fields near by, keeping watch over their flocks at night."

In Palestine - as in the rest of the Middle East at the time - shepherds stayed with their flocks in the fields only from Spring to Autumn. They brought their sheep in during the winter to protect them from the cold and rain. It is thus unlikely that the shepherds went to Bethlehem in December.


have you read the bible?

TIk

[Andonis]

lol
Common theme of that age which means almost certain the following was part of Jesus' birth chart...
as Draco has pointed out....
1. Neptune in Scorpio
2. Pluto in Virgo
3. Uranus in Pisces
4. Stelium in Pisces including Saturn

The most commonly cited dates for Jesus' death are April 7, 30 and April 3, 33. In the Gospel of Luke, it is stated that Jesus was about 30 years old when he started his public ministry, which would seem to support one of these dates. However, if Jesus' birth was in 6 BC, then this points to the beginning of the public ministry some time around 26.
Can we see those in the charts?

[Draco]

It is thus unlikely that the shepherds went to Bethlehem in December.

I was proposing that Jesus may have been born on September 29th 7BC, with the middle conjunction right at midheaven.

Of course, it's just an idea.

Andonis,

Thankyou for uploading the charts. :) However, what I meant was, I would put the first conjunction right on the ascendant, 'the star in the East' announcing the arrival of a messiah.

I would put the second right upon the midheaven directly over Bethlehem, the one I reckon he was born under.

Then, I 'd put the final conjunction right on the descendant, consolidating his arrival.

Then there is a nice pattern, three conjunctions, one on the ascendant, on at midheaven, one on the descendant. I'm a Virgo with Mercury in the middle of Libra - I'm fond of orderly patterns. :p

Just a wacky idea of mine of course, but just one I feel makes sense, and it makes for fascinating speculation.

I'll see if I am now able to save charts to file now, and bring the charts up to show you what I mean.

There are many who reckon that Jesus was born at the time of this triple conjunction, but the question is, which one? I would go for the middle one, then it's nice and balanced (that'll be my Virgo Sun/Libra Mercury again! lol), the first one announcing his arrival, the second consolidating it.

I'll try and bring the charts up.

[Andonis]

Draco, ok thanks. right click on the Astrodienst chart and 'save as' anywhere on your machine. Then go on http://www.publicupload.com/index.php and click on BROWSE to find the file you wish to upload, the one you just saved as. Then click the UPLOAD button. When this is done it will give you 3 URLs copy rhe top one and paste it in your post in here. That works a treat for me and it is easy I think and quick.

[Draco]

I seem to be able to upload now.

This is just an idea, but here goes.

First conjunction heralds the arrival of a messiah, 'the star in the East', placing the conjunction on the ascendant heralds a new beginning and the arrival of the prophet:

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9639/firstconjunctionxa3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Second conjunction marks the birth of Jesus, think of the classic nativity image of a bright star shining directly over the stable in Bethlehem.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2573/secondconjunctionxr1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Third conjunction consolidates the arrival of the messiah, and for the sake of the sequence is placed right on the descendant:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4534/thirdconjunctioncf7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Of course, just an idea, and purely speculative, as any theory as the to the possible horoscope of Jesus could only ever be, but I do feel that it was somewhere around the time of this triple grand conjunction that his birth would have taken place, and the perfection of one of these conjunctions, being most phenomenal, probably indicates a time at which he was born, the question is, which conjunction, and where would the conjunction be in the chart? I would go for the middle one, and place it at midheaven.

[Kite]

Here's a link to a good argument for when his birth actually occured http://www.shaka.com/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm

[Heoau]

I Too have a Sun, Jupiter in Capricorn but believe that Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was born in Virgo sometime in September. They were neither poor, both descended from the the Royal Houses of Solomon and David. (They were cousins).
During that period of ancient culture it was customary for the husband to touch his wife mainly in Sagittarius to produce an Virgoian heir.
Revelation 12:1-2 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." In 3 B.C., it was on Wednesday, September 11th, which was the only day when the constellation Virgo (represented as a woman) clothed with the sun as it entered the mid-body in its ecliptic course had the moon under her feet. Thus, it was during this day, when Jesus Christ was born. linkshttp://www.worldofchristmas.net/actual-christ-birth.html,http://www.garone.net/tony/themaster.html
Men who were Hebrews lived by their God's strict religious laws, unlike today when sex is encouraged as a full time recreational sport.

[Draco]

.....or September 15th at sunset, with the apocryphal rising of the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.

[Andonis]

What do people think of Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions. What kind of characteristics?

[sara31tx]

That is not a true Jesus'birth date. He is either Aries or Pisces

Although Christmas is celebrated on the 25th day of December each year, the exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown. Most biblical scholars agree that the birth, in fact, did not take place in December at all, but probably occurred during the spring of the year. The Gospel of Luke states that the shepherds to whom the announcement of the birth was made were watching theirs sheep by night (Luke 2:8) which would suggest the lambing time (the spring). Only then did shepherds bother to guard their flocks around the [p. 206] clock. In winter, for example, the sheep would have been kept in the corral.

Why, then, the 25th of December? Actually, the date was chosen not by the Christians, but by Romans, the traditional antagonists of the Early Church.

Each year as the days became noticeably shorter in November and December, the Roman citizens feared that the earth may be "dying". With the "return of the sun" at the end of December resulting in longer days, the Romans celebrated the "Feast of the Sol Invictus" (Unconquerable Sun") on December 25. Bishop Liberius of Rome ordered in 354 that all Christians celebrate the birth of the Christ child on that day. Scholars believe that the bishop chose this date so that Christians, still members of an "outlaw religion" in the eyes of the Romans, couldI saw a chart done on him and it said that his true birthday was Febuary 28. That would make him a Pisces.

[freedomlover]

I believe that the chart Andonis created with the guessed time in December has some validity to it - NOT because it is the correct time of birth - for it obviously isn't. However, I do think the Universe responded to Andonis' query through this chart - serendipitously. I couldn't help but be in awe of the synchronicities and symbolism encoded in this chart.

First of all, the Ac/Dc and the Ic/Mc are in a cardinal square and all in the 8th degree of the sign. Cardinal signs deal with worldly authority and beginnings of a new season. The number 8 deals with death and rebirth, and mastery.
Jupiter in Libra is exactly conjunct the AC. This could represent the querent being part of the "marriage supper of the lamb", as Mars in Aries is exactly opposed on the DC at 8* Aries - this would signify Jesus. He is in the 7th, and is already "committed" to those who would partner with him. These could also refer to Jesus coming as "the Judge" (Acts 10:42 and Rev 6:9)

Mc at 8* Cancer refers to "the New Birth", and also his ascension, as the Cancer/Capricorn axis rules the ascension. If Capricorn is associated with the Jewish people (I think I'm right on this, not sure) then his ancestry (4th house) was Jewish.

Pluto in Virgo/12th opposing Uranus in Pisces/6th - transformation of the work people do. (Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.")

Sun conjunct Mercury in Capricorn, 3rd - Capricorn rules mastery over the physical realm/success. His communication was with great power and authority. He spoke and it came to pass. Sun conjunct Mercury (The Father=Sun in Cap and the Son/Jesus = Mercury in Cap Jesus/ "the Word"/the son are ONE (conjunct) The TN at 29*Sag in the 3rd, would also show his energy is channeled into the words he speaks - not scattering of energy - 29th degree of mastery.

Venus is in Aquarius in the 5th - giving dignity and equality to women/uniting "the child" in all of us.

This whole chart has also has to do with the raising of the Earth and the Divine Feminine. I could see many more of Jesus' sayings and parables in here, but am getting tired, so I'll leave it alone for now.

Just thought I would share what I saw in this incredible chart.

[Sag Moon]

I had thought that it is an accepted fact amongst theologians that Jesus was not born in December and that the only reason we celebrate Xmas then is due to the pagan religion celebration.

In the reading of the gospels it gives an account of something like the sheep grazing which could not have happened tin December .It is something like that.

Another thing which I was told by a Jewish Astrologer is that Jesus was probably born with almost all the planets having been in their ruling signs.

Lastly it is my belief that he was born during the Conjunction of Ju\Sa in Pisces which would have signaled that a king would be born for the Jews. Then there was the passing of this conjunction which the Magi followed with hte last being when they found the mager. The first signaled that he would be born.The second was the telling of his birth to Herod and the last his being found by the Magi.

Anyway it is a subject which will be controversal till the end of time.

Other charts that are very controiversal are those of Buddah and Mohammed amongst others.

[Shining Ray]

In the chart Astrologer Jeff Green uses for Jesus he has Pluto Conjunct Mars in Virgo which are both retrograde in the 9th house and in opposition to the Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus, and Saturn in Pisces in the 3rd house. Neptune the ruler of Pisces is conjunct the South Node in Scorpio.

The chart was rectified by theologian/Astrologer Donald Jacobs.

[tikana]

ehm?

SagMoon
here is a good article why things happen the way they did
http://www.orlutheran.com/html/chrorig.html

enjoy
Tik

[Sag Moon]

Tik
That reinforces my belief that Dec.25 was choosen due to a Pagan religion celebration.

I read it long ago ,but was foggy as to what religion celebration was happening.

I did not know St.Augustine was involved in the determination of what occured.

I studied it long ago.

I remember that it is more likely he was born in the spring or late summer.

If you go on the premise that he had to have the planets to have been in the sign of their rulership then it makes even more sense.

I cannot believe that he was born Dec.25 after studying the subject.

Thanks,Larry

[Acruks]

Christ horoscope in Russian:


http://www.alina.ho.com.ua/christ.html :)

[Acruks]

We can see planetary "star of David" in his chart.

[Andonis]

I have a new book, isbn 978-960-316-425-8, of this year, 2007, called The code of the Star of Jesus.
This is an Astronomical book about the date of birth of jesus, very extensive and it concludes it must be 12th November 7BC 19:30 hrs, Thursday. (For some reason Artrodienst gives Saturday instead but the location of the planets are not bad...
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesusbirthtime.gif
Note the chart says -6, (it is not a mistake) for the year but the year is 7BC (this is due to the software for the year zero).

[Sag Moon]

The Star of Bethleham has been explained as a Meteor,a comet,and a Nova.It is only mentioned in Matthew. But it’s likely explanation is that it was the conjunction of Sa/Ju which happens eevery 20yrs..Late in the year 7B.C. it occurred 3 times in in 6mos. in the sign of Pisces which is the ruling sign of Israel.”House Of The Hebrews by ancient astrologers” to be more concise.

This triple conjunction occurs every 120yrs.

The Magi,who were astrologers from Mesopotamia undoubtedly noticed the conjunction in June 7B.C.,with some interest.Because it occurred in the constellation of Pisces they had to of wondered what impact it had on the Isralel nation having known of the biblical prophecy that “I shall behold him,but not nigh:there shall come a star out of Jacob,and a septre shall rise out of Israel” Num24:17.

When on Sept.27 the conjunction happened again,they may have made preparations to travel westward to Jerusalem, Israel. AT first they moved away from the conjunction eastward.For it had appeared in the eastern sky.This agrees with the statement to Herod that “We have seen his star in the east” Matt 2:1-2. As the seasons changed so did the alignment which could now be seen in the western sky.If the Magi had arrived in Jerusalem Dec.10 they would now have seen the conjunction in the western sky towards Bethleham.This movement may be linked to Matthew “and lo the star that they saw in the east went before them,till it came and stood over where the young the child was” Matt 2:9.

According to Matthew they knew what town to go to anyway as it was written in the old testament.Herod’s priest quoted the saying from Micah 3:2.

Shortly after the 3rd conjunction in December the planet Mars began moving closer to the Sa/Ju conjunction.By this time the planet had also started to move towards the western horizon and all of them except for Jupiter were obscured by the setting sunThis final conjunction might have been a sign to the Magi that they had reached their final destination.This accords what might have been implied in Lukes statement that the shepards were guarding their flocks by night.During the early spring the lambing season begins and the sheep are vulnerable to attacks by wild animals. .

I am of the opinion that the crucifixion can be almost ascertained by meteorological events of that time which might just give any speculation as to the birth of Christ validity. I think the day of his crucifixion there was an occultation of the sun and the sky was darkened at sunset which is when he gave up the ghost as it was written and there was research done which narrowed this occurrence down to a specific date and time. It is really a mind blowing thing that they were able to do that.So what is written to a certain extent can be proven.

In the end it is not important as to when he was born and what his chart was it is the message above all else which goes for any of the religions that one believes in.Those that are following the line of Al Queda(?) have missed the whole point of their religion and they are not going to get the Virgins that are being promised to them .Sadly they are not in a better place ,but a place reserved in darkness and pain IMO.One that is said to have insight to such matters recently spoke about that.I tend to believe them as any that plan the destruction of others in this world and do so for selfish reasons are not good. I am not a pacifist as I believe there is the right to defend yourself against eveil,but that is a story for another time and thread.

Happy Holiday for whatever faith you might be of.

[tikana]

SagMoon

well star of Bethleham was explained as SuperNova as well
http://epistle.us/articles/star.html

shrug
Tik

[Sag Moon]

SagMoon

well star of Bethleham was explained as SuperNova as well
http://epistle.us/articles/star.html

shrug
Tik

TIK
I will read it again as it is a complicated thesis going back and forth of what might have occured.

It had to involved the sign of Pisces in any event as the ancients knew that Israel's ruling sign is Pisces so this Nova had to have occured with that sign involved for myself to believe there is a correlation.
There has been no evidence of Herod killing of infants either I read recently.
Anything is possible though.

[Draco]

My ideas expressed on this thread in 2006 no longer reflects my current opinion.

I still feel that Jesus would have been born beneath the middle, and brightest of the conjunctions, but I feel that Andrew Bevan hit the nail on the head when he set the chart for the 'acronycal culmination' of Jupiter/Saturn, being exactly opposed the Virgo Sun on the IC.

The chart for this is listed on the other relevant thread.

[Andonis]

Hi Draco! Nice to hear from you again! I hope you feel good and we missed you for sure I did!
I also hope good old Englad is great!

[astrobhadauria]

My ideas expressed on this thread in 2006 no longer reflects my current opinion.

I still feel that Jesus would have been born beneath the middle, and brightest of the conjunctions, but I feel that Andrew Bevan hit the nail on the head when he set the chart for the 'acronycal culmination' of Jupiter/Saturn, being exactly opposed the Virgo Sun on the IC.

The chart for this is listed on the other relevant thread.

"Saturn is Work,Worship for the God,
Jupiter gives happy living,
Saturn Jupiter both are best Work,
Saturn Judges,and Jupiter loves."

[tsquare]

I thought this was interesting, its about the theft of christmas, by the Roman Catholics. The have a different date for christs birth then any listed here.
Just came across this today.
I dont want to argue.
Just thought this was interesting.
here is the link.
http://www.viking-z.org/stephen03.htm
TsquarezzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ:)

[Radu]

Hi guys

I'm reactivating this thread because I just found out a reliable source, pointed out to me by a German astrologer.
The reference is in Jakob Lorber's book Great Gospel of John, book 19, chapter 34, paragraph 3:

Look, this Jesus of Nazareth, who according to your chronology is born in Bethlehem in the year 4151 after the existence of Adam, and more precisely at midnight on the 7th day of the month of January, is what concerns His external birth a Jew just like you.

You may know that Jakob Lorber was a 19th century mystic who wrote a lot of books by automatic dictation - he heared a Voice, God's voice. I'm most sure his books are true divine revelation, as the astrological proofs are too strong.

So, the reference says that Jesus was born on year 4151 after Adam, but what year was Adam born?
A quick search on the internet showed that of all theories on Adam's birth, only may be applied here - that is William Miller's - see this image below:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/1481c7baceaa57.gif

William Miller says Adam was born on year 4157 BC, which gives us year 6 BC for Jesus' birth.

Now, as for the exact time. What exactly could "midnight on the 7th day of the month of January" mean? Is it Jan 7, 12:00 am or Jan 7, 24:00 (European style), which is actually Jan 8, 12:00 am?

Of the two charts, I would definitely choose the second, which has the Moon in Virgo, 10th house ruler, conjunct with Pluto. The Moon represents Virgin Mary and it should be in Virgo.

[timezone choice - obviously LMT, Local Mean Time; calendar system choice: Gregorian, which was in use at the time Jakob Lorber wrote the book by Divine inspiration]

So here it is:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/1481c7dce40596.gif

I think that this chart deserves the chance of an analysis. If this is really Jesus's chart we could really learn more about true Jesus from this chart!

For instance, that Jupiter-Saturn in Pisces and the 6th house tells about his willingness to serve the others, rather than to lead.

The Moon is in Virgo, therefore disposed by Mercury, which is conjunct with Fomalhaut, one of the 4 most powerful, royal fixed stars, in relation with 1 of the 4 archangels, Gabriel.
"Coincidently", the angel that announced Mary (the mother = the Moon) that she will have a divine child was archangel Gabriel (Mercury conjunct Fomalhaut).

And probably there are more such coincidences.

Please throw a glance at this chart and share your view!

[tetka]

About real Jesus birth date I found an article (unfortunately not written on English) but very interesting. So very shortly some interesting points from this article (sorry for not good translation in advance):

The star that three wise guys have seen actually is planet configuration of Saturn and Jupiter (conjunction) in Gemini that has happened in –6 greg. that has been considered as transferring the power of the divine to other – or born of the avatar. Also Johan Kepler had speculated with birth date of Jesus, pointing to conjunction of Jupiter, Saturn and Mars on 25 of Feb. –6 greg.
First astrologer who has started to interpret the Gospel in a astrological way was Mark Penfild. A Jesuit has told him that correct translation of the holly books should have been that Jesus was born “of the Virgin” not “of a virgin”- meaning Virgin as a astrological sign (not a virgin as a concept). Further “born in nursery” could be “in 4 astrological sign” i.e. he was born between 10 and 12 PM. Being born “near the ox and donkey” is actually position of Moon or Asc. near the end of Taurus or beginning of Gemini.
So, Jesus must have been born at night, when conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn could have been seen. Horoscopes who are saying that he was born with Sun in Gemini are not good, because Sun would have been too near the constellation of Jup. and Sat. and they could not have been seen on the sky- in a day because of the light, at night because they would have been under the horizon. By calculations it is appearing that 2 Sept. –6 in 22 hour 25 min. LMT in Bethlehem is the right position of the stars for an avatar.

There are many coincidences: Jesus is known as son of a Virgin – which fits to his solar sign –Virgo. Why 2 of Sept.? Most interesting and deepest logic why he is connected with Virgo is position of his double ruler –Mercury. (Sign Virgo, Asc-Gemini) that is positioned on 26 Virgo. On the certain degree, in his time was Spika, the biggest star of Virgo. Even more on 2 Sept. Mercury was in occult. with Spika. Near Spika is Arcturus (Botesa) that points to “one who originate of God and who is closest to God”. Conj. of these two stars is pointing to astrological code that could be translated as “ one who appear from Virgo (Spika) and is son of God (Arcturus), and if it is correct and the ruler of the Asc. is here and Sun – we have precise picture of big incarnation.
Another significant fact is position of Betelgez on 01 degree in Gemini 07 in exact conj. with his Asc. Orion (has a form of a man) in that time was considered as only constellation appreciated as God, archetype of God. Betelgez – is its biggest star and it is its right hand or shoulder. For Jesus was saying that “he is sitting on the right side of his father”. If this star was coming up on East in the time of Jesus born (i.e. it was his on his Asc.) than that is the time of his born and is according to the picture of God on earth, that is incarnated. “Born of God and of the Virgin” –means Asc. on alfa star of Orion (Betelgez), ruler of Asc. on alfa star of Virgo (Spika).

Next sign is position of Neptune on 3 degree of Scorpio- exact degree of Pluto exaltation, and exact equidistance of Venus in Libra and Mars in Scorpio. Venus in 23 degree Libra- in that time star Unukalhai was there, for which is traditionally said that brings immortality, and also praise after which falling is coming and especially from those who are in his mercy or those who has been gracious. Mars is 12 degree in Scorpio, and in that time there was powerful star Antares. Equidistance of Neptune between Venus and Mars (love and hate) is showing a person who governs spiritually and with the faith. This is in the 6 house – unique healing gift. Position of Neptune is on degree of Pluto exaltation (that govern the reincarnation) – and we get spirituality connected with reincarnation. Pluto is in conjunction with Sun in 4 house (big power for transformation, 4 house is a grave, Pluto is death, and Sun is life) – i.e. to wake up from the grave.
Moon is in 8 house (death, suffering) and it is in Sagittarius- so it describe Jesus death. It is in Square with Jupiter (ruler of 8 house) and with Mercury (ruler of 1 house). Moon is also presenting the masses and they have condemn him to death, Sagittarius present religion, but also military people-especially foreign, and all that had part in his death. Moon is also on a place of a star called Terebelum, that Ptolemy has mention it as main star of the “4 sides of the tail of the Sagittarius”. Does it represent here a cross that he was crucified? Also, on the top of the 4 house 13 degree Leo is star Zosma (today at 10 degree Virgo), that is known as a star that …doesn’t give glory until a person don’t become a victim. The 4 house is also presenting how we will be remembered after physical death. As Jesus is remembered as “one who has sacrificed himself for all of us” – is confirmed with this star.
His natal cart can be confirmed with his next years: Second year Sun is in conj. with Pluto- moving from his place of living (because of the persecution), in his 7 year Mercury is Semi sextile with Neptune (spirituality) and Quincunx with Uranus (sudden adaptation)- (we don’t know where he has lived), in his 32 year Mercury is in sextile with Moon (ruler of the 3 house), - probably his biggest popularity (Moon-masses) through speech (ruler of the 3 house in trine with Mercury- personality), 33 year when he was crucified – Mercury (ruler of Asc,) in in conj. with the South Node(loss) on 29 degree of the sign (end by itself). After that is coming Scorpio , whose ruler is Pluto (which is here important and accented with conj. with Sun-life). So after death is coming life –or resurrection.

Next is Stigmata of Father Pio, but another time about that.

I hope you’ll find this interesting.
Cheers

[universal]

My view on the chart-
My new age readings tell me that Jesus was "a scream", often having the people around him in stitches and I believe that account. Therefore, I'd expect more of a Jupiter presence, and although there is Mercury sextile Venus, denoting charm, the Mercury square Neptune aspect is suspect to me. I think this is a guy who had the unseen world and the reasoned one in better perspective than that aspect would suggest.
The chart has Moon, ruler of 10th Career, in powerful conjunction to Pluto, indicating upheaval of the masses (in 11th) and that seems a pretty good fit.
Bravo for getting this info out there - lots to think about.
Later edit - and oh yeah, I forgot. Not trying to be disrespectful, but having Mars in Aquarius in the 5th, conjunct cusp even, is an aspect I'd expect to see from someone turning water into wine! Talk about the life of the party...

[jamiescott]

From Adonis (start of thread)
Any natal analysts out there....please discuss it.
http://www.publicupload.com/files/Jesus1.gif (http://www.publicupload.com/)


I'd love to discuss this, but maybe we should start another thread?????????

[jamiescott]

I appologise Adonis, I have been in a cheeky mood lately. The sites good though.

[Andonis]

jamiescott no need, but what happened is that the site where I used to upload, has been spammed and all charts there got lost. As a result I need to upload them again in another such as imageshack. I will try but give me some time. Not sure I have them all here.

Edit: I have now uploaded the charts I posted.

[skywatcher1221]

December 21, as has already been mentioned, was the day of Sol Invictus. The Roman festival of Saturnalia was also celebrated around this date, with feasting and the exchange of gifts. Most tellingly, December 25 was the birthday of the pagan god Mithras, who was born of a virgin.

[Andonis]

Radu,
Not accurate enough...I will post a MOST exact derivation of the birth time which is different to yours but also unique with no assumptions. I need time to do it in here. Watch this space....

[jamiescott]

If you like this thread you'll like this book.The Witness of the Stars (http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Stars-Ethelbert-W-Bullinger/dp/0825422450)

[Night Sky]

Jesus was born on 25 Dec 01 AD.

The first year is actually YEAR 1 because you can't have a year 0 it doesn't make sense.

This chart gives you a GRAND CROSS, between Pluto, Uranus in Cardinal with Sun in Cap + Saturn in the Midheaven (on a midnight chart.)

Considering that he was put on the cross and eventually remembered through the CROSS symbol, I would favour him having that grand cross chart on the Angles.

As to the Pisces rubbish, having Neptune in a tight sextile to Moon would be enough to give him some Piscean qualities of compassion and the like. Moon in the 12th house...

[jamiescott]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/716W4BQZDAL._SL75_PIsitb-st-arrow,TopRight,11,-14_OU01_.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Blood-Grail-Michael-Baigent/dp/0440136482/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product) Holy Blood, Holy Grail (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Blood-Grail-Michael-Baigent/dp/0440136482/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product)

I'm pretty sure I read this one, but there is another along the same lines. Anyway it came up with the 7 BC date.

[jamiescott]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71SYGBT76DL._SL75_PIsitb-st-arrow,TopRight,11,-14_OU01_.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Pluto-Evolutionary-Journey-Llewellyn-Astrology/dp/0875422969/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product) Pluto, Volume I: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul (Llewellyn Modern Astrology Library) (http://www.amazon.com/Pluto-Evolutionary-Journey-Llewellyn-Astrology/dp/0875422969/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product)

But the chanelled one in this book looked pretty spot on, does anyone have it? I had to get rid of all my books years ago.:(

[skywatcher1221]

The ancient Chinese kept meticulous records of celestial phenomena like comets and novas (novae?) which are so accurate that modern astronomers use them as references. The record contains no mention of a nova or supernova around the proposed time of Christ's birth.

Ancient astrologers like the Magi would have viewed a comet as an evil omen, not the birth of a king, so that is an unlikely candidate for the Christmas Star, as well.

[Andonis]

Why Jesus may have been born 7:30 pm 12 November 7 BC
When Jesus was born, the astrological phenomenon which pre-announced His birth was unique.
As Sag Moon referred above the Star of Bethleham has been explained as a Meteor, a comet, and a Supernova. It is only mentioned in Matthew. It was a unique phenomenon never seen before by the Astronomers of Herode (then king) but the Magi who were in Persia, could have known about it but it was rare! The only phenomenon that could give ‘direction’ is the great conjunction, ‘the synode’ of Sa/Ju. It gives direction when we see it on the west horizon during summer and spring and mark a direction to the west. This lasts days or even a few months depending on the planets involved. This great synode of Jupiter/Saturn of the ancient solar observers was the one which directed the magi to Bethlehem to Jesus, as the Mathew Gospel dictates. Every approx. 20 years a synode of Ju/Sa occurs and the Magi would have been able due to their age to have seen the synode of 9th October of 46BC and 30th June of 26 BC. The one of 46BC lasted for a month and the Magi maybe they had no opportunity to have seen undisturbed and studied their retrograde motion due to their disappearance in the afternoon sun.
During 19th November 27 BC something special happened in Leo constellation. The retro movement of Ju/Sa occurs on either side of the fixed star Regulus and Regulus can be used as a point of reference. So they could study the retro movement accurately. Perhaps they were the first ones to study this retro movement of the giant planets. This recording would be completed at about 20 March 26 BC when they went direct. Then the synode of those two planets happened on 30 June 26BC in Leo right next to Regulus and visible for a month on the western horizon. The magi could have been the first to comprehend the retro movement of the planets and being able to explain it to the ancient astrologers and those event prepared the Magi to the next rendezvous for thext UNIQUE synode of 7BC.
This was their target, to see the synode of those planets, and also they believed this was an OMEN for the prophesized Mesiah. (Jupiter was the planet of Mesiah in synode with Saturn the planet of the Jews). The magi were getting ready therefore for the 7BC synode knowing from the Old testament that this was to be confirmed in a few months at 7BC. The 7BC synode happens to be unique in the history of mankind! The planets became conjunct 3 times not only once. (From 4700 BC to 10,000 AD it turns out that out of the 737 synodes only 83 are triple, i.e. 3 conjunctions). We have therefore on 4th June 7BC the first, the second 23 Sept. Ju. is retro,, and the third 13 Dec.
It turns out that the 2 planets would stay in the night sky visible – for a few hours of course- for about a whole year confirming fully the opinion of various researchers of the star of Bethlehem whichever its nature would have been a star of long duration!
Both planets from 10th May to 31st Dec can be considered in continuous synode as they travel very close together. Near the end of their retro movement both planets seem to reduce to zero their apparent movement and at 12 Nov. 7BC Jupiter seemed still in the sky and also Saturn nearly still as well. The magi saw those planets therefore standing still in the sky on the 12 Nov 7 BC. This was the date Jusus was born. The star of Bethlehem stopped moving above the place where Jesus was born and it turns out that Jupiter was at its brightest! Saturn alone due to distance was not so special, but both were clearly visible for a year in the sky by those who knew. It turns out also that at 7:30 pm local time it was total darkness in Bethlehem and the planets were at their zenith so they were visible high in the sky by those who knew of course how to look for planets, not necessarily by the ordinary folk. On their way back home to Persia they saw also the 3rd synode of 13 Dec.
. The 14th Sep.7BC synode was unique in the history of the solar system because…
1) It was a triple synode.
2) 2) In Pisces,
3) On 14th Sept. we have a totally unique heliocentric synode between Ju/Sat/Earth, sun earth Jupiter and Saturn in a line in pisces.
4) The same day, when the sun rose the planets set, giving them direction towards Bethlehem.
5) The synode was visible for a year
6) Within the a database of 15000 years only 3 synodes have period 7885 years have the same day of the year but not the same sign. One of them is the 7BC.
7) Only one was fully within Pisces.(7BC)
8) The next synode in 7879AD will not be in Pisces. The next one in Pisces will appear in approx in 2,5 million years from now. Even then the characteristics will not be identical. This perfect synode therefore happened ONLY ONCE.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesusbirthtime.gif

[Andonis]

The date of Crucifixion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus

When Jesus died he was about 33 years old according to the Gospels. Therefore on the basis of my previous post where the derived date and time of birth was 7.30 pm Thursday 12 November 7BC means the years one has to search are 26, 27 and 28 AD. Dates after 28 AD are not allowed as Jesus would have been 24 when he died.
Important information for the search is that the Jews celebrated Easter on a Saturday after the date of the Crucifixion date. These dates were given by the apostoles who were with him during the crucifixion so they are more reliable than the date of His birth when only Mary His mother could have accounted for.
Also Pontius Pilatus was governor there. (26AD was the start of his reign).
Easter was celebrated by the Jews always the first Full moon after the summer solstice, i.e the end of the 14th and the beginning of the 15th day of the month Nissan. Summer solstice during the days of Jesus was 23rd March. Searching the databases one finds that the only date from 26 AD -36AD where the end of the 14th –beginning 15th day of the month Nissan was Saturday, according to the Jewish calendar of the time and of course Friday afternoon for the Julian calendar was 6th April 26 AD at 18:00 pm was the beginning of the full moon. 14 days later at 19th-April- 26AD and Friday at 18:00 was the summer solstice or the Jewish Easter. Jesus was therefore crucified Friday 6th April 26AD at 12:00 hrs and expired at 3pm Jerusalem time. (6th and 9th hour according to Gospels). The crucifixion started at 12:00. According to the gospels He was risen the early hours of one of Saturdays or one of the first days of the week, i.e. 16th of the month Nissan (Jewish calendar) or Sunday 21st April 26AD (Julian calendar). This satisfies also the Daniel prophecy that his death will be 70 weeks from baptism. He was Baptised at the age of 30.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesus-crucifiction.gif
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesus-death1.gif
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/Andonis_2007/Jesus-Resurraction-1.gif

[jamiescott]

I wish we could find the position of Chiron back then.

In Christian astrology:

Chiron = Christ
Lilith = Mary Magdalene

[Andonis]

Yea.....there is no data unfortunately. I did not know of this correspondence.

[jamiescott]

I think astrodienst has Lilith positions for then, but not Chiron.

Chiron sounds likes Christ, Christos. Both wounded healers, wounded in the heel. Chiron gave up his immortaility for Prometheus. Christ have his up for us. The story is written in the stars. Each culture has their own version of the story, with their own characters. It's all the same though.

Lilith/Mary is the dark woman, in the shadows. She was closest to Jesus. The Catholic Church destroyed her writings and called her a sl-t. Just like the Hebrews did to Lilith.

[Andonis]

Does anybody know how to save a chart in jpeg or gif using solar fire so as to post them here?

[Kerrie]

Does anybody know how to save a chart in jpeg or gif using solar fire so as to post them here?

Not sure what Solar Fire is... but if you cant work it out...

- View chart on your screen
- Press "Print Screen" or "Prt Scr" on your keyboard
- Open the Paint application on the Start menu
- Select Paste, to paste into Paint
- Adjust size of document
- Save as jpeg or gif.

:)

This works for any images that you cant 'right click' on in a webpage. Its cheating...

[Andonis]

Solar Fire is Astrologial Software. I would have thought they have a means of exporting charts into reports in word for example and also charts to be possible to save as other formats such as jpeg or gif. I have not seen this hence my question.
Yea Kerrie quite right your way works for anything on the screen. Thanks for posting....


Not sure what Solar Fire is... but if you cant work it out...

- View chart on your screen
- Press "Print Screen" or "Prt Scr" on your keyboard
- Open the Paint application on the Start menu
- Select Paste, to paste into Paint
- Adjust size of document
- Save as jpeg or gif.

[BobZemco]

I remember that it is more likely he was born in the spring or late summer.

Late Spring.

The text, depending on which one you believe, says they were going for a census. The census was held at the begining of the year, and the beginning of the year was the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

As you would expect, the junky translation in the KJV butchers it extremely well. The word in the text is kataluma which means "guest room" not manger, so they were staying in someone's house. In the first place, an inn would not have had a manger, and in the second place, it would be physically impossible for them to have stayed in a manger. A manger looked like a bath-tub made out of rock. It was deep enough to put some straw in it so you could lay small animals there and protect them.

To rectify the chart, you could try to use the date of death, which would have been a Thursday.

By Sumerian custom, the day beings at sundown. Abrahm/Abraham retained that custom (as well as the Sumerian calendar and their "myths"). The Passover Feast would have begun Wednesday evening. He was arrested later in the garden, taken before Pilate, and then crucified Thursday. Best guess is that he was around 32 or 33 years old. Assuming he died, and even if he didn't you'd expect to see transiting Pluto opposing the MC or directed Uranus on the Ascendant or a few other things.

[wilsontc]

To all,

I have moved the non-astrological discussion on Jesus here:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12287

If you want to make non-astrological comments about Jesus, please post on that thread.

If you have astrological comments about Jesus, please post on this thread.

Moderately,

Tim

[Andonis]

Do we have any more posts on this Sessional topic as this is...

[Claire19]

Another date posed for Jesus is 1st March 7BC. That it was in lambing season is a given, so Spring in the Middle East. This was also the time of the great convergence of planets in Pisces, hence the bright star that guided the Magi.
We can only surmise and conject with any charts as we dont know for sure.
During my research 7BC comes up as the likely year more than any other and I tend to agree.

Have fun though!:)

[Claire19]

I think astrodienst has Lilith positions for then, but not Chiron.

Chiron sounds likes Christ, Christos. Both wounded healers, wounded in the heel. Chiron gave up his immortaility for Prometheus. Christ have his up for us. The story is written in the stars. Each culture has their own version of the story, with their own characters. It's all the same though.

Lilith/Mary is the dark woman, in the shadows. She was closest to Jesus. The Catholic Church destroyed her writings and called her a sl-t. Just like the Hebrews did to Lilith.

Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus and of a good family as was Jesus and hardly the harlot portrayed. This was a ploy thatthe church used to dismiss her importance and didnt want anyone to know he was a normal man who married and had offspring. He was to be deified.........dont get me started on the church. "Mary" was a title rather than a name and meant the keeper of the temple or priestess.

There is much compelling evidence for this if you know where to look or care to.

[piercethevale]

Geetings; I've started a thread over in the Sabian forum on my proposed birth chart for Jesus and invite all to any discussion there.
I've done three radio programs on this discovery/proposal, two of them aired and one on the internet which is archived and can still be heard via the internet. I also have a book published on this subject. all info can be found at the above mentioned thread.
The date utilized is one provided by the re-knowed 20th century clairvoyant Edgar Cayce whom said that Jesus was born March 19th by the Julian calendar in what is now [As of the time of the reading in the early half of the 20th century] considered HIS fourth year of existence...that corresponds to April 2, 0003 A.D.
It also satisfies Dane Rudhyars prediction of what the chart axis of the natal chart of Jesus would entail, i.e. the four axis points would be the 1st degrees of the Cardinal signs. This was proposed and explained by Rudhyar in his book "An Astrological Mandalla. The Sabian Symbols." in the chapter titiled "The Cross and the Star."
I invite all who would like to join me in discussing, proving, dis-proving or analyzing said chart over at the Sabian Forum.
I'll post my proposed chart here also to entice you.
Thanks, ptv.:)

[piercethevale]

Howdy. I would like to add to this line of discussion that the Grand sextile or Magen David [Star of David], as it is also called, is implied in Kabbalistic lore to a pre requisite for the appearence of the Messiah. This can be found in Rabbi Joel Dobins Book, "Kabbalistc Astrology." This theory was also apparently known to Dane Rudhyar whom implied the same in reference to said lore in at least two of his works known to me.
The Rabbi also has an illustration in the last pages of his book, of the Magen David, with an arrangement of planets and the Sun at the six matrice points. Unexplicably He has certain immpossible anomalies such as the Sun opposite Venus in the diagram.
This has led me to believe he is implying this aforesaid prerequisite while witholding vital information as would be the nature of a true Kabbalist.
Also, within the center of the diagram, there is a square drawn with the glyph of Saturn inside it. This implies, to me, a Grand Cross superimposed over the Magen David which includes Saturn in the matrix. Implying further that the Kabbalists had known of the trans Saturian planets for some time.

[Claire19]

That Jesus was not born on 25 December is common knowledge. They picked that date as it was free from other pagan festival dates etc. So why bother to compare. You wish to align yourself with a man you see as great and that is understandable.

:)

[Claire19]

The chart for the acronycal rising of Jupiter on the 15th September 7BC is worth checking out,Asc/Jup 20 Pisces. (Julian calender)

Source Astrology The Evidence of Science by Percy Seymour.

JR:)

I am inclined to go with this date as possible for the birth of Jesus, for sure.'

[piercethevale]

That Jesus was not born on 25 December is common knowledge. They picked that date as it was free from other pagan festival dates etc. So why bother to compare. You wish to align yourself with a man you see as great and that is understandable.

:)

...Moi?...I'm afraid you've got me confused with someone else...
here's the brief "Preface" to my book...ptv

"I asked God years ago, after all the revelations and the quickening I went through from ages 15 to 22: "Since I can't find the ashram or monastery that will take me or one that I feel right about, call on me any time to do your bidding." God has.

I had no need for Jesus or Christianity. I believed such a man did exist, and I believed Edgar Cayces' account of him, but I found my faith and all spiritual truths through the practice of various yoga tech-niques, the mantra Aum and Hindu theology. Aum Sri Jai Ram. I saw the quest for the astrological birth chart of Yeshua Ben David [Jesus] as a challenge-a possibility-and I can't resist these kind of challenges. It has led me to believe that Yeshua was and remains the greatest avatar to ever incarnate on Earth. I now pray to him regularly, along with Krishna, Rama, Ha-numan, Ganesha, The Durga Mother et. al.. My guru is the Logos, the Word Aum, as explained by Swami Sivananda in the Japa yoga book, published by The Divine Life Society, Uttar-Padesh, Himalayas, India, 1978.

I need only the Aum, the actual word/voice of God as my Guru, guide and Savior. I have no ulterior mo-tive to sell you a belief system; they are all correct, as so much of the rites employed by you, the devotee, are correct. And if it is as Yeshua said at the end-" I am one with the Light."-then, as Aum is my Sat Guru, you Jesus fundamentalists have no conflict with me. He is now One with, in part, and whole with Aum, the Light, [the Word and the Light are One] the Word of God. All truths are One with Aum."

...and what ended up being found is a "Template' of understanding for all natal charts and, as I feel, proof that THE MAN was born a condition/expression of the cosmos...[the Magi knew this...how do you think THEY knew?]...just as everyone is...hence my motto..

"You Are A Divine Expression of The Universe"

Eternal Light & Love. Dave Mastry

[piercethevale]

Howdy. I would like to add to this line of discussion that the Grand sextile or Magen David [Star of David], as it is also called, is implied in Kabbalistic lore to a pre requisite for the appearence of the Messiah. This can be found in Rabbi Joel Dobins Book, "Kabbalistc Astrology." This theory was also apparently known to Dane Rudhyar whom implied the same in reference to said lore in at least two of his works known to me.
The Rabbi also has an illustration in the last pages of his book, of the Magen David, with an arrangement of planets and the Sun at the six matrice points. Unexplicably He has certain immpossible anomalies such as the Sun opposite Venus in the diagram.
This has led me to believe he is implying this aforesaid prerequisite while witholding vital information as would be the nature of a true Kabbalist.
Also, within the center of the diagram, there is a square drawn with the glyph of Saturn inside it. This implies, to me, a Grand Cross superimposed over the Magen David which includes Saturn in the matrix. Implying further that the Kabbalists had known of the trans Saturian planets for some time.


...here's a link to a website that sells the Rabbis book and you can take a look at page 266 for the arrangement of the Planets/Orbs in the 'Magen David' diagram I mention above...thanks, ptv.

http://store.innertraditions.com/Product.jmdx;jsessionid=2C54217E4EEA268FE6FB556416 D0A1A6?action=displayDetail&id=47&searchString=978-0-89281-763-4

[piercethevale]

I thought that I'd better add that the Rabbi was not an Astrologer, per se, and his book and info is flawed in some areas of Astrological info...but he does apparently know the Kaballah and I believe his analysis to be valid despite the few Astrological anomolies you may find in his book as they can be rectified with the correct astrological refs/info and still make sense...see for yourself, is all I can say.
I was in correpondence with Rabbi Dobin a few years ago and I thanked him for this contribution...he replied he was a bit surprised that anyone was still currently reading his work and that it [Astrology] was but a minor study of his at one time...and that he was in very advanced age and was experiencing the first stages of some debilitating malady that was limiting his mental processes [it may have been alzheimers...I can't quite recall]...and the Rabbi may no longer be among the living at this time.

[piercethevale]

Greetings again. As I didn't have this info when I posted the above and have since subsquently found it I would like to submit now what Rudhyar said about the Grand Sextile aka the 'Magen David' or 'Star of David'.

[from my own book, "A Template for the Time. The Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus."] TGS Publishing, Frankston, Texas...page 84.]

"The six pointed star, or Magen David is made up of two interlaced equilateral triangles. According to Rudhyar, 'the trine always presents a challenge to have a vision of what is possible.' He also said it allows one to be 'imbued with a sense of purpose.' The six pointed matrix allows one to take that vision and sense of purpose and use it with 'adequate management and organizational genius.' "

[skywatcher1221]

That Jesus was not born on 25 December is common knowledge. They picked that date as it was free from other pagan festival dates etc.

:)

Actually, December 25 was the birthday of the god Mithras. It was chosen BECAUSE it coincided with a pagan festival, a familiar tactic of the early Church. The date also coincided with the Roman Saturnalia, celebrating the Winter Solstice.

[piercethevale]

Thank you Skywatcher. I am aware of this although many here at the forum might not be.
It's interesting as I have read that the 'Church' was in attempt to do away with forms of Sun prayers and other rituals to the Sun...as this date is also the beginning of the waxing phase of the synodic cycle of the Sun as viewed from Earth.
Also of interest is that I've found that the first order of business for Alexander the [Not So] Great whenever he conquered another 'kingdom' was to issue an edict to "abolish all Sun cults".
Interesting in that Freud claims [Moses and Montheism] that the Hebrew religion is a derivitive of the Aton religion of Egypt [Sun Cult] [and read what Edgar Cayce had to say about the Aton and that Ahkenaton was a former incarnation of the soul known as 'Amilius' whom subsquently became Jesus of Nazareth later] and that the Sabians [Sabeans{?}] are rumored to have "prayed to the Sun"...and I've been doing Sun Pujas and Mantras as per my particular path of yoga for some years now...with outstanding experiences and results I might add!!! :sun: :sunny:

[venusfriend]

Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus and of a good family as was Jesus and hardly the harlot portrayed. This was a ploy thatthe church used to dismiss her importance and didnt want anyone to know he was a normal man who married and had offspring. He was to be deified.........dont get me started on the church. "Mary" was a title rather than a name and meant the keeper of the temple or priestess.

There is much compelling evidence for this if you know where to look or care to.
exactly, this is why the church destroyed all the copies they could find of The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene (http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm)

i found yet another possible birth date for JC. it is from Dave Mastry aka skippy sanchez. he is right into the arabic parts. i was most impressed by the neptune poleaxe. i have seen a similar configuration with a 12th house neptune in the chart of a very good psychic. in the chart below, neptune is on Ras Alhague (http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/RasAlhague.html) "Hypocritical, self-seeking, able speaker or writer, but panders to the public, occult, religious or scientific work, but largely misleading, minor Government position, domestic disharmony, ill-health to marriage partner, disappointment over legacy, peculiar death sometimes through fall but animal and human agency may be suspected."

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/936149b38697b5a8a.bmp

[piercethevale]

exactly, this is why the church destroyed all the copies they could find of The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene (http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm)



i found yet another possible birth date for JC. it is from Dave Mastry aka skippy sanchez. he is right into the arabic parts. i was most impressed by the neptune poleaxe. i have seen a similar configuration with a 12th house neptune in the chart of a very good psychic. in the chart below, neptune is on Ras Alhague (http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/RasAlhague.html) "Hypocritical, self-seeking, able speaker or writer, but panders to the public, occult, religious or scientific work, but largely misleading, minor Government position, domestic disharmony, ill-health to marriage partner, disappointment over legacy, peculiar death sometimes through fall but animal and human agency may be suspected."


http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/936149b38697b5a8a.bmp



...Well, thank you Venusfriend. You are obviously not aware that I am Dave Mastry and that is the chart I posted in this thread in post #66.
Skippy Sanchez is my cousin, Tony, whom has posted around various forums on the internet in an attempt to help promote my research/book...I'll assume you got this chart and all from one of those other forums.
Thanks for your support. piercethevale, aka Dave Mastry.

ps...a funny little anomoly? If you turn the chart so as the Desc. is at 12 o'clock you get a Masonic 'caliper and square' design out of the aspects drawn in by the computer...just a co-incidence?...did the Templars know something about the birth chart that was hidden in the emblem of the Masons?...the "Magen David" is a Planetary/Luminary matrix that is/was to be found in the birth chart of the Messiah by Kabbalistic lore...could the Masonic emblem also be a clue?
...I have been avoiding this 'stretch of the imagination' as to keep all ref. to my proposed chart purely in an astrological academic vein...I thought someone else might see the similiarity by now...no one Has pointed it out if they did...so I guess I'll 'stick my neck out' on this.

[venusfriend]

...Well, thank you Venusfriend. You are obviously not aware that I am Dave Mastry and that is the chart I posted in this thread in post #66.
Skippy Sanchez is my cousin, Tony, whom has posted around various forums on the internet in an attempt to help promote my research/book...I'll assume you got this chart and all from one of those other forums.
Thanks for your support. piercethevale, aka Dave Mastry.
yes, it was Deb's site, aka the shackler
thankyou cousin skippy. venusfriend, aka quitefunky :D

[piercethevale]

yes, it was Deb's site, aka the shackler
thankyou cousin skippy. venusfriend, aka quitefunky :D

...AH, quitefunky!...good to run into you again...I'll be reading you!...ptv

[Andonis]

Whatever happened to this thread....no progress on this topic?

[taurus77]

here is jesus chart

http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/E5t7TAxeM4Jt.htm

[piscesnurse]

i believe this is right i have a chart which makes the most sense of jesus birthday of march ist when i find it i will post it here
thank you

[Caprising]

Jesus was a spiritual warrior, telling people the truth about what they were really capable of , it's no wonder the politicians of the day had him killed! The "healing with your hands" was truth, today we call it "reiki", and the " Spiritual teachers" have been selling it to us for huge amounts of money, hardly spiritual people! The visions that jesus had scared the daylights out of most people, yet we are all capable of doing this ourselves, but are taught by the "education system" and the "medical establishment" (not to mention the church) that to have visions is to be mentally ill! According to these "medical experts" if you hear a voice you are "sick" and need to be cured, (it's really called "claireaudience") the truth is that we are awakening to our real selves, and our "hidden talents"!!!! The catholic church has been arguing amongst its members about the homosexuality issue, they can't decide if it's ok to be gay or if it's a sin!!! Clearly they are not in contact with their "god", so are making up the rules as they go along! and so it has been for way too long. We don't need to be told that connecting to places other than planet earth is "sick", we need to support and educate those who have these gifts, so that they don't feel alienated, and fearful. Intuition is another gift that we all posses to varying degrees, yet only 300 years ago you would be burnt alive for admitting to having this talent (I don't need to tell you who by!) The church gets huge tax breaks from the "goverment", thats because the church always follows the governments present day propaganda, e.g. "go forth and fight for gods country"... it doesn't really matter what jesus's birthchart looks like, once your in the earth plane, it's up to you to work out right from wrong, and to do something about our present reality by using the talents shown in your chart!

[piercethevale]

Caprising...you realize you posted this whan the Sun was in the 25th degree of Pisces{?} the Sabian Symbol for which is {Rudhyar} "A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCCEEDS IN OVERCOMING THE CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF PERVERTED PRACTICES AND MATERIALIZED IDEALS"...Keyword "PURIFICATION"

...ptv...and, of course, most all of you know of my own chart proposal in the Sabian sub-forum...Jesus/Yehuas' true birthday is April 2, [the day of the death of the last Pope.] ...and just a couple of weeks from now.:love:

[Vagabondgirl]

Ive always felt that Jesus was Pisces:)

[piercethevale]

Ive always felt that Jesus was Pisces:)

...my chart does have His Venus in Pisces & His Part of Fortune...both with very significant Sabian Symbolism.

[Caprising]

[QUOTE=piercethevale;192795]Caprising...you realize you posted this whan the Sun was in the 25th degree of Pisces{?} the Sabian Symbol for which is {Rudhyar} "A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCCEEDS IN OVERCOMING THE CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF PERVERTED PRACTICES AND MATERIALIZED IDEALS"...Keyword "PURIFICATION"

OH, I didn't realize that , I was more expecting something like " A MAN ON A SOAPBOX DESPERATELY TRIES TO WARN PEOPLE OF THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THEIR LEADERS!..... :biggrin:

[Claire19]

There is a school of thought that he was born in the spring of 7BC. As we dont have his exact date of birth there is really no point in discussing it especially as we dont have a rising sign either. I dont believe that he is God but a man sent perhaps from some higher source to give us the belief in life everlasting. He was highly evolved, there is no doubt. That is my opinion.

[Claire19]

Ive always felt that Jesus was Pisces:)
I felt that he could have been too. It would fit in a lot of ways.
Perhaps with Sagittarius rising. Especially with the reddish hair and the grey/green eyes that has been quoted for his appearance by a ROman whilst he was travelling there.

[Claire19]

i believe this is right i have a chart which makes the most sense of jesus birthday of march ist when i find it i will post it here
thank you
OKay but it is all conjecture at the end of the day.

[Claire19]

Whatever happened to this thread....no progress on this topic?
We dont have any proof of any date of birth for him so it is all guesswork and conjecture. Interesting but not really satisfactory...

[piercethevale]

There is a school of thought that he was born in the spring of 7BC. As we dont have his exact date of birth there is really no point in discussing it especially as we dont have a rising sign either. I dont believe that he is God but a man sent perhaps from some higher source to give us the belief in life everlasting. He was highly evolved, there is no doubt. That is my opinion.

...It's that 'Stellium' theory...of which Dr. Molnar is a leading force...It makes no sense in an Astrological evaluation...Jesus/Yeshua was not that kind of man.

[Claire19]

I said so and have given you 2 other dates. Try those. However since most people nowadays celebrate it on 25th December I still think this date is of interest as it gives a profile...anyway the challenge is to estimate the date from his life events. Anyway I made it clear there are alternative dates. Why not try those.

http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
and
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
and
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/sukkoth.htm (http://www.aloha.net/%7Emikesch/sukkoth.htm) which is Virgo or Pisces.
December 25 was a day that was clear of other pagan festivals etc and it is well known it is not a valid birthdate. So why even bother to use it?
Also we can guess and conjecture forever about his date of birth but we dont know it or cant agree on it. I tend to think he was born either in March or September due to extensive research but what year and at what time?????

You wouldnt do a chart of anyone whose date you are not sure of so why is this an exception?????