What does a Pluto-Venus grand kite and a grand trine predict for the future?

[Yoi]

OK, I realized my previous attempts to explain the situation were a bit confused...so let's start again and as they say a picture is worth a thousand words so I've included my natal chart with progressions and transits.

In several years I will have a Pluto transit over my natal Venus in the 8th house. As you can see it's quite a busy transit. This shows the situation when Pluto is about 1 degree from natal Venus and approaching. The progressed descendant is a couple of degrees behind Pluto and approaching the natal Venus as well. Also as you can see the progressed Mercury is conjunct natal Venus at the same time. The Pluto transit will excite my earth grand trine involving Chiron, Mars and Jupiter conjunction and Venus.

At the *same* time the progressed Venus will conjunct the natal MC. It's about 1.5 degree from the MC here and approaching. The progressed Venus will be trine the natal Pluto, and excite an air grand kite involving natal Moon, natal Pluto and natal Neptune so this is in many ways a mirror image of the Pluto transit. Venus close to an angle and Pluto. Not only that - the natal MC is associated with Capricorn. The natal Venus that Pluto is transiting over is in Capricorn. Both cases also excite a grand trine, one earth and one air. I can't believe the similarities are just a coincidence.

The air grand trine is actually a grand kite because of natal Neptune. However, as you can see at the same time, the Progressed Moon will be conjunct the natal IC , sextile natal Moon and sextile natal Pluto. I'm not sure what you call a Grand Kite with two of the extra bits. A double Grand Kite?

I'm hoping someone could help me here because I have absolutely no idea what this means. It's simply too complicated! There are too many things happening at the same time! I have a strong feeling that the Pluto-Venus-Capricorn-Angle relationship is important because the grouping occurs twice in the chart at the same time and well hey, this is all occuring during a Pluto transit. I suspect it is all linked back to the Pluto transit.

[starlink]

Hello Yoi! From the looks of your chart I would say that there will be something significant happening in the area of parterships. Your Jupiter, ruler of the 7th house will be trined by Pluto. This is indication no.1, Pluto conjuncts your Venus at that same time (No.2) Venus has to do with love and money, in this case it is probably to do with other people's money because Venus is in the 8th house. An inheritance is therefore a possibility. The grand trine involves Chiron and as far as I know (don't know that much about Chiron) that has to do with healing or some pain you go through and you cannot do anything about (you cannot heal yourself). Jupiter is in the 4th house, family surroundings (in connection with Venus this maybe means a beloved family member?), or with money you will inherit you will enlarge your home?. But there is also the Moon and Venus-Moon very often shows an important love relationship coming into your life. Pluto is in your 5th house of romantic relationships , so in combination with Venus, Moon and Neptune, well, that could be a possibility as well. But Venus is co-ruler of the 12th and Pluto co-ruler of the 6th and this brings possible situations with health and clinics or psychiatric treatment. Tr.Pluto-Venus in 8 !!!
It is possible that you will go through some transformative changes, maybe with the help of a therapist in order to heal yourself (with chiron you cannot do it yourself after all) and that it has to do with relationships or A relationship (with a family member?). It all shows ease (trines) so I guess that the transformation is something you really want to happen. Well, I gave some possibilities here, maybe did not see others, but at least it could get you thinking (I hope) so you can then more or less figure out what it could mean. Let me iknow what you think of these suggestions. Cheers, Starlink

[Yoi]

Hello Yoi! From the looks of your chart I would say that there will be something significant happening in the area of parterships. Your Jupiter, ruler of the 7th house will be trined by Pluto. This is indication no.1, Pluto conjuncts your Venus at that same time (No.2) Venus has to do with love and money, in this case it is probably to do with other people's money because Venus is in the 8th house. An inheritance is therefore a possibility. The grand trine involves Chiron and as far as I know (don't know that much about Chiron) that has to do with healing or some pain you go through and you cannot do anything about (you cannot heal yourself). Jupiter is in the 4th house, family surroundings (in connection with Venus this maybe means a beloved family member?), or with money you will inherit you will enlarge your home?. But there is also the Moon and Venus-Moon very often shows an important love relationship coming into your life. Pluto is in your 5th house of romantic relationships , so in combination with Venus, Moon and Neptune, well, that could be a possibility as well. But Venus is co-ruler of the 12th and Pluto co-ruler of the 6th and this brings possible situations with health and clinics or psychiatric treatment. Tr.Pluto-Venus in 8 !!!
It is possible that you will go through some transformative changes, maybe with the help of a therapist in order to heal yourself (with chiron you cannot do it yourself after all) and that it has to do with relationships or A relationship (with a family member?). It all shows ease (trines) so I guess that the transformation is something you really want to happen. Well, I gave some possibilities here, maybe did not see others, but at least it could get you thinking (I hope) so you can then more or less figure out what it could mean. Let me iknow what you think of these suggestions. Cheers, Starlink

Thanks starlink. I'm not sure, really. I'm very confused :( **** it all, I hate these multiple configurations. Why is everything in my chart interlinked???

[starlink]

Maybe because there seems to be one very strong theme playing in your life and the transits bring this thing again and again to the surface (every time in a different form/aspect) so you can sort of see the problem from every possible angle over the years in the hope that one day you will understand and solve whatever there has to be solved? Just a suggestion. Don't hate those configurations Yoi, they are YOU, they represent your inner workings, your psychological make-up. Start loving them and look try to see positive things in them. Try not to make an issue out of it, it won't help you. Just accept, try to understand and see it as map you use on your journey through life. That can be quite exciting. Cheer up! Starlink

[unukalhai]

Yoi,

I think you are attempting to bite off more than you can chew at any given moment, which is why are you so confused.

Let me give you a few suggestions to simply it all...

First, you appear to be using an exact-hour birthtime for your natal chart, 9AM GMT unless I am mistaken. How accurate is this? Often, charts cast for right on the hour are estimations, in which case you might as well forget about the angular progressions, since they will be a degree (which is a year in progress-speak) for every 4 min of birth time inaccuracy.

Second, Pluto conjuncting Natal Venus via transit is a _long_ event. I have Venus in late Sag, so I am going through this transit right now. Rather than picking an arbitrary "hotspot" at some time during the 1-2 year cycle of the Pluto/Venus transit, cast charts for the exact hits of the transit. Don't worry yourself so much with the whole timeframe, I'd bet if I had a few hours to blow I could come up with atleast 10 scary transit charts for you based on the long period of time this transit will be in effect. I say exact hits because Pluto retrogrades alot, like the other outer planets, and it will conjunct your Venus 5 times, over a period of 593 days.

Mar 4 2011 23:08 GMT
May 15 2011 21:05 GMT
Dec 28 2011 0:15 GMT
Aug 18 2012 18:13 GMT
Oct 17 2012 21:00 GMT

Based on my personal experience of this transit... (Pluto Cjn Venus, 12th house in Sag, Cjn Asc)
a) You will have a strong magnetism to Scorpio people. Look out for others with a natal Scorpio Venus, a strong 8th house, or strong Fixed Water modality in their chart to be pulled in like nails to a magnet. Don't push them away, but do realize they will be teaching you lessons in one way or another, some pleasing, some difficult (tis the nature of Pluto)
b) You will undergo a reevaluation of your value systems
c) You will likely do a "house cleaning" of your social circle, and learn who is and who is not positive to you personal development and happyness. Social circle is broad, and could include friends, lovers and family.
d) You will find that shallow, false or otherwise surface-deep love is unsatisfying, worthless and a waste of energy.
e) You will consider if the ways you earn your keep (job, trading, criminal activities, whatever you do) are valid expressions of yourself and consider more satisfying ways of earning a living.
f) You will consider what you really want in a relationship, and decide what you need to do to attain such a thing, if you don't have it already.

Pluto/Venus transits are often difficult transits, but it all depends on how you handle the Venusian energy already. If Pluto doesn't seem to agree with your methods, he'll force you to realign. If Pluto doesn't find faults and considers your methods of handling the Venusian energy valid and true to yourself, you may be rewarded or plain out left alone.

Remember that Venus has as much to do with material possessions and money as it does relationships, and Venus isn't the innocent angel everyone would like to make her out as. If you are still thinking she's the perfect angel everyone wants to think of her as, Pluto will be showing you otherwise. Pluto will reveal all the dark sides of both your Venusian makeup and the darker sides of Venusian energy itself.

New relationships formed under this influence can be very obsessive/compulsive/codependent, and the attachments formed are often extremely strong and even subconscious. They are also usually a wild ride. These words come from pure personal experience, and I do warn you that when you are under this transit, be very careful of becoming deeply attached to someone who isn't truly good for you. On the other hand, if you do find a special someone under this transit, who is truly good for you, you will be able to form incredibly deep bonds and experience the depths of their soul.

Passions will run high, sex drive will be increased, and love making can be amazingly intense under this transit.

[Yoi]

Yoi,

I think you are attempting to bite off more than you can chew at any given moment, which is why are you so confused.

Let me give you a few suggestions to simply it all...

First, you appear to be using an exact-hour birthtime for your natal chart, 9AM GMT unless I am mistaken. How accurate is this? Often, charts cast for right on the hour are estimations, in which case you might as well forget about the angular progressions, since they will be a degree (which is a year in progress-speak) for every 4 min of birth time inaccuracy.

Second, Pluto conjuncting Natal Venus via transit is a _long_ event. I have Venus in late Sag, so I am going through this transit right now. Rather than picking an arbitrary "hotspot" at some time during the 1-2 year cycle of the Pluto/Venus transit, cast charts for the exact hits of the transit. Don't worry yourself so much with the whole timeframe, I'd bet if I had a few hours to blow I could come up with atleast 10 scary transit charts for you based on the long period of time this transit will be in effect. I say exact hits because Pluto retrogrades alot, like the other outer planets, and it will conjunct your Venus 5 times, over a period of 593 days.

Mar 4 2011 23:08 GMT
May 15 2011 21:05 GMT
Dec 28 2011 0:15 GMT
Aug 18 2012 18:13 GMT
Oct 17 2012 21:00 GMT

Based on my personal experience of this transit... (Pluto Cjn Venus, 12th house in Sag, Cjn Asc)
a) You will have a strong magnetism to Scorpio people. Look out for others with a natal Scorpio Venus, a strong 8th house, or strong Fixed Water modality in their chart to be pulled in like nails to a magnet. Don't push them away, but do realize they will be teaching you lessons in one way or another, some pleasing, some difficult (tis the nature of Pluto)
b) You will undergo a reevaluation of your value systems
c) You will likely do a "house cleaning" of your social circle, and learn who is and who is not positive to you personal development and happyness. Social circle is broad, and could include friends, lovers and family.
d) You will find that shallow, false or otherwise surface-deep love is unsatisfying, worthless and a waste of energy.
e) You will consider if the ways you earn your keep (job, trading, criminal activities, whatever you do) are valid expressions of yourself and consider more satisfying ways of earning a living.
f) You will consider what you really want in a relationship, and decide what you need to do to attain such a thing, if you don't have it already.

Pluto/Venus transits are often difficult transits, but it all depends on how you handle the Venusian energy already. If Pluto doesn't seem to agree with your methods, he'll force you to realign. If Pluto doesn't find faults and considers your methods of handling the Venusian energy valid and true to yourself, you may be rewarded or plain out left alone.

Remember that Venus has as much to do with material possessions and money as it does relationships, and Venus isn't the innocent angel everyone would like to make her out as. If you are still thinking she's the perfect angel everyone wants to think of her as, Pluto will be showing you otherwise. Pluto will reveal all the dark sides of both your Venusian makeup and the darker sides of Venusian energy itself.

New relationships formed under this influence can be very obsessive/compulsive/codependent, and the attachments formed are often extremely strong and even subconscious. They are also usually a wild ride. These words come from pure personal experience, and I do warn you that when you are under this transit, be very careful of becoming deeply attached to someone who isn't truly good for you. On the other hand, if you do find a special someone under this transit, who is truly good for you, you will be able to form incredibly deep bonds and experience the depths of their soul.

Passions will run high, sex drive will be increased, and love making can be amazingly intense under this transit.

Hi

Thanks very much for that interpretation of Pluto transit Venus!

Yes I am using an exact-hour birthtime. I believe it is fairly accurate. My mother got it from our family book where it was recorded when I was born. It's probably not correct to the exact minute but it should be fairly accurate. Besides my grandparents and my mother believe in astrology so they know the importance of birthtime. In China astrology used to be extremely important. It used to be a tradition, prior to the Communists, at least in my village, for new born babies to have their complete chart done by a professional astrologer. And I don't believe it was psychological astrology either but things like chances of illness, intelligence, likely success in life, etc - very fatalistic things. Of course this is Chinese astrology, not Western astrology. Hence the time recorded should be fairly accurate otherwise my grandmother probably would have had a fit...

However, I do realize that it might be off by a few minutes so whenever I do these charts I'm not expecting an exact prediction but rather a general "feel" for what lies ahead in a general period of time.

[unukalhai]

Your welcome :)

Right on, Yes, China has a rich astrological tradition, of which you are probably more familiar than I am. From the limited knowledge I know, very different techniques, but very well researched and respected. I've always found it interesting that Chinese astrology uses 5 elements, especially since western astrology is considering the new age to introduce a 5th element, which is often refered to as ether.

In case you or a loved one are still in China and need a little help getting around that pesky communist internet firewall/filter, Uranian freedom advocates from the west have a solution ;)
http://tor.eff.org

Cheers,
-U

[Yoi]

Yes, the five elements are earth, water, fire, wood and metal.

Anyway, I guess I'm just worried about this transit because of the sheer number of planets Pluto will directly contact. My chart is quite interconnected and transits always set off multiple planets. This Pluto transit will aspect:

Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Chiron in tight orb

and also

Black Moon Lilith and the North Node in looser orbs. Maybe even the ASC if you count quintiles.

Also my previous Pluto transits have had a severe effect on me:

1. Mercury-Uranus-Venus-MC
2. Sun-Moon-Mars-Jupiter-PoF
3. Neptune-Moon-Saturn-Pluto-MC

No. 2 so far has been the worse, probably because of the involvement of both luminaries and the fact that Pluto opposed the Moon and squared both Mars and Jupiter. This time all of the inner planets will be aspected by the transitting Pluto which raises cause for concern. The participation of Uranus also raises the concern level.

Thinking back I have had a Pluto-Venus transit before, when Pluto was transitting Mercury/Uranus and semi-squaring Venus. I think the result back then was to "bury" Venus. First so I could focus on my work and secondly my parents wanted me to be a "good Chinese girl" which means ultra-feminine and I was rebelling against it. Also I suspect I just don't want to "grow up" and I also saw feminine behaviour as a weakness. I think I put a lot of effort to make myself asexual. Though now that I think about it, Venus was not really buried so much as smothered. It is a far too powerful part of my chart (Venus-trine-Jupiter, Venus-trine-Mars, Venus-trine-Chiron i.e. Grand Trine, Venus-quintile-ASC, Venus-semisquare-Mercury and Uranus, Sun in 7th house) so it's been oozing out from under the lid, somewhat unconsciously. This does explain a lot that confused me. I *try* to be cold and cynical and tough but Venus always comes out, almost against my will. It's especially obvious when I get excited and probably not surprisingly when I get into trouble :). I suspect that this time round the Pluto transit over Venus will unearth what I buried in the previous Pluto contact with Venus. How all of the other planets that Pluto will contact at the same time will be affected I have no idea.

I'm a bit worried about the Pluto-Mars contact as well. I read that a transit will have a strong effect if the two bodies already contact in your natal chart and in my chart Pluto and Mars are semi-square.

[starlink]

If women would rule the world, the world would be a better place! Dont burry your female side, it could be your strongest side!

[MichelleAnderson]

Usually when everything is interlinked there is one central theme that you need to pay attention to.