Algol

[Caro]

This is so random and so awful and the area it occurred in(a quiet tourist town), I think Im still in shock. http://news.sky.com/skynews

While out shopping on holiday a woman was beheaded today in Tenerife.
All I could think of this was the star Algol. which I believe is 23 degrees Taurus - todays date.

the world is deeply troubled............

to be honest I'd rather not know about Algol.

[Chirongirl]

This is so random and so awful and the area it occurred in(a quiet tourist town), I think Im still in shock. http://news.sky.com/skynews

While out shopping on holiday a woman was beheaded today in Tenerife.
All I could think of this was the star Algol. which I believe is 23 degrees Taurus - todays date.

the world is deeply troubled............

to be honest I'd rather not know about Algol.


It surely was the most horrible news I have ever heard! Algol is not in 23 degrees of Taraus though. Its at 26 degrees of Taraus. But it has been given a 10 degrees Orb. It's known as the most evil among the fixed stars, but then again...it is a bit sexiest as many thinks since Capul Algol can aslo indicate premitive female sexuality (what does it exactly mean?). And...it can also indicate extreme creativity..

http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html

Its not all that bad is it? :)

But indeed it has got a very bad reputation. All I can say is, one of my nices has her Sun conjunct exactly to the degrees with Caput Algole. She still has her head attached to her neck, but she is Schyzophrenic!

[piscesnurse]

This is horrible news (gosh i wonder how one finds out where it is in the chart)

[Chirongirl]

This is horrible news (gosh i wonder how one finds out where it is in the chart)


That would be where ever your 26 degrees of Taruas is in your birth chart, and if there is any planet conjunct with in 10 degrees of it. That would be 5 degree before the Caput Algol and 5 degree after the Caput algol.

I think she might have Caput Algol conjunct her sun squared by Pluto and Uranus. Pluto being in 8th house lord. hmmm...that would make sense.

[DreamingTheSeas]

That would be where ever your 26 degrees of Taruas is in your birth chart, and if there is any planet conjunct with in 10 degrees of it. That would be 5 degree before the Caput Algol and 5 degree after the Caput algol.

I think she might have Caput Algol conjunct her sun squared by Pluto and Uranus. Pluto being in 8th house lord. hmmm...that would make sense.

Could you please give us an example?

[BobZemco]

That would be where ever your 26 degrees of Taruas is in your birth chart

No, Algol moves. 500 years ago it was at 18° Taurus. 50 years ago it was at 25° Taurus.

and if there is any planet conjunct

No, not any Planet, only certain specific Planets. Jupiter conjunct Algol is victory or success.

The specific Planets are Sun, Moon, Mars, Saturn and the Hyleg, and even then, only under certain specific conditions.

Even when a Planet is conjunct Algol, it is not relevant unless the Planet is rising, setting or culminating with Algol.

with in 10 degrees of it. That would be 5 degree before the Caput Algol and 5 degree after the Caput algol.

3° applying, 1° separating, assuming the Planet is rising, setting or culminating with Algol.

I think she might have Caput Algol conjunct her sun squared by Pluto and Uranus. Pluto being in 8th house lord. hmmm...that would make sense.

That makes no sense at all. You all need to learn how to correctly delineate Fixed Stars. With Algol there are only a handful of select criteria that indicate decapitation, since decapitation by any means is incredibly rare, occurring only in combat, traffic accidents, industrial accidents, in the past as a form of execution, and through criminal acts.

The vast majority of Planetary combinations with Algol only result in violent death or head trauma/injury, not decapitation.

[Tham]

Lady Jane Grey, victimized and beheaded by
her grandmother, "Bloody Mary".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jane_Grey

http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/tudor_7.htm



http://load.hostphotofree.com/731cb2eeed90ddda5faec87209fcd66e/Lady%20Jane%20Grey.gif


Jupiter right at Algol, then at 19 Taurus 44.

Tantalus, kin murder asteroid, squaring Jupiter.


Chiron in her eighth house squared by Atreus,
another kin murder asteroid, and opposing her Sun.

Sedna (betrayal) trines her Sun and sextiles Chiron.


On the day of her execution, transiting Atreus
is right opposite Algol.

[Tham]

Venus.

" The Mesoamericans linked the morning phase of
Venus with Quetzalcoatl, one of their major gods,
believing that this was a time when leaders are
struck down and natural disasters occur. "

http://www.zodiacarts.com/whatsup/VenusRetro.shtml


Zosma, the star of victimization, suffering, abuse
and persecution, was at 4 Virgo 53 then. Lady Jane's
Venus is exactly at this position. She was executed
in the morning.

Transiting Mars, Sun and Pluto was fairly opposing
natal Venus on the day of her death, with transiting
Chiron conjunct.


Her Mars and Uranus conjuncts the position of
the Mars-like destructive star Dubhe, at that
time, where it was at 8 Leo 46.

Transiting Venus was virtually exactly opposite
at 8 Virgo 41 on that fateful day.

[Caro]

Thanks for your replies and links.
Truly gruesome news.

Bob - points noted. that is what I had read that 'algol' moves albeit slowly.
my information was from 1730 or thereabouts when it was 23 degree.



I hope her passing was quick and thoughts are with the family.

It freaks me out about humanity in this world. its a fragile thing folks.

[Chirongirl]

No, Algol moves. 500 years ago it was at 18° Taurus. 50 years ago it was at 25° Taurus.



No, not any Planet, only certain specific Planets. Jupiter conjunct Algol is victory or success.

The specific Planets are Sun, Moon, Mars, Saturn and the Hyleg, and even then, only under certain specific conditions.

Even when a Planet is conjunct Algol, it is not relevant unless the Planet is rising, setting or culminating with Algol.



3° applying, 1° separating, assuming the Planet is rising, setting or culminating with Algol.



That makes no sense at all. You all need to learn how to correctly delineate Fixed Stars. With Algol there are only a handful of select criteria that indicate decapitation, since decapitation by any means is incredibly rare, occurring only in combat, traffic accidents, industrial accidents, in the past as a form of execution, and through criminal acts.

The vast majority of Planetary combinations with Algol only result in violent death or head trauma/injury, not decapitation.


Bob, that was very informative, thanks a lot.

[Steeler]

Bob Zemco, where did you read that Jup/Alg conj is a sign of success and victory?

I also have a question about Algol near the MC (4 deg pass) and conjunct Part of Fortune (1 deg).
Do you or anyone else know what it might mean? The combination seems a bit unfortunate to me.
(According to a few books Part of F. conj Alg means "loss of estate and poverty." Of course.)

-edit-
Found this:From the book: The fixed stars and constellations in Astrology by Vivian E.Robson

Influence:Of the nature of Saturn and Jupiter. It causes misfortune, violence,
decapitation, hanging, electrocution and mob violence, and gives a dogged and
violent nature that causes death to the native or others. It is the most evil star
in the heavens.

If Culminating: Murder, sudden death, beheading, prone to murder or mischief. If at
the same time in conjunction with Sun, Moon or Jupiter, gives victory over others in war.
with fortuna or its dispositor, poverty.No, really. Seriously?!

[positive]

I would not give Algol such wide orbis.. but Algol is also on 16°.. degrees.
Algol is a violent star Mars saturn (or vice versa, pls don´t judge me here) and MarsSaturn is a typical "murderer" constellation, as far as I know. but can also be interpreted differently, I guess. With Jupiter I would say the outcome is more luckier. Also maybe mercury on Algol. Picasso had Jupiter on Algol. I am though not sure if Algol is creativity. (primitive femine power..the possible meaning would interest me too..)

since this is in the mundane section it would be also interesting what algol means in a mundane chart.

[Milos]

Man I have read some many bad things about Algol. Great evil among the stars, murderer, mass murders,, I now have read that it has sexy potential, but I would advise caution, if someone has it near love planets and all. And of course entire chart should be looked and to see other positions. And there are influences that can make him less evil, or no evil at all. All the best :)

[astrologer50]

I've just been researching this recently and found I have natal pluto (well aspected 7th) square to algol taurus. Any ideas? could I be murdered by my spouse do you think?
Or are just conjunctions only relevent? I should add that regulus is conj pluto27' 57"Leo

[tsmall]

astrologer50, would you be able to post your chart with the star included?

[astrologer50]

astrologer50, would you be able to post your chart with the star included?

it ok, it was just a general thing. I suppose it's only valid for conjunctions rather than other hard aspects, but it does give food for thought as they say...
:smile:

[Astrodawn]

Think I might be 'ermm in trouble' if its as bad as an aspect as is described by some above haha!

My other half has mercury & mars both 27 degrees Taurus and MC at 28 Taurus! It is not rising, culminating or setting though so I will continue to believe he is a calm, kind, sweet man :-)

But if I SUDDENLY disappear well...........!

from http://www.skyscript.co.uk/algol.html

Saddam Hussein, torturer, has his Mercury on Algol.
The ballet dancer Margot Fonteyn (Algol conjunct Mars) had a husband who was shot in the neck, leaving him paralysed: he had to watch her wonderful movements, himself immobile.
Brian Jones from the Rolling Stones had mars conjunct Algol.
Brian Jones became increasingly dissolute and unreliable from excess drugs and drink, until eventually the group had to get rid of him. Or, in another version, he was discovered reading the Bible to his grandmother, and viewed as being not 'bad' enough to be a proper Rolling Stone. Either way Jagger told him that he had to leave, as was announced on June 9th, 1969. Weeks later, Jones was held underwater in his own swimming-pool by an irate builder (at ten o'clock at night on July 2nd), who afterwards sloped off and eluded prosecution

[Astrodawn]

deleted due to talking rubbish :-(

[astrologer50]

JA,
That sounds like a jokey comment so I'll answer similarly. In my view it is because the outer planets are invisible to the naked eye that has caused Uranus, Neptune and Pluto to have been discovered only recently, so who can say with much authority what their effects are? :smile: However, since you are questioning whether your spouse (7th house) could have murderous intentions towards you, we could switch the scenario around and ask an alternative question which could be: "Has your partner ever experienced violent events that threatened their life?"

you may well have something here JA as my current partner has had his live threatened on numerous occasions.....:surprised:

[Astrodawn]

Algol has got a nasty reputation! Wonder what the builder's chart aspects were? :smile:

Thanks Jupiter :-) you set me off on a bit of a research then about the builder, which has been a pleasure to my detective qualities! and had some interesting finds.

The builder who killed Brian Jones was called Frank Thorogood, he was born in London in 1927. Unfortunately I couldnt get DOB as I had to pay for geneology :-(

Interesting story though, Thorogood was Jones' builder. Jones was found drown at his home swimming pool in 1969. It was believed that he had died drugged or drunk, mysterious circumstances. It was only 30 years later that it came out that Thorogood had held his head underwater, as he confessed on his deathbed, and other witnesses came forward.

So he didn't get charged, as he died on confessing.

Brian Jones died on 2nd July 1969 (11.30pm) UK
Thorogood died on 2nd July 2009 (cancer)
.................................................. .........exactly 40 years to the day!

Looks like he doesn't only have mars conjunct ALGOL but also uranus and possibly saturn!!!

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/j/Brian%20Jones/Brian%20Jones.htm
http://thehistoryofrockmusic.com/1960-s/brian-jones-of-the-rolling-stones-dies-in-his-swimming-pool/

and Brian Jones Chart
http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrites/recherche.php

[Kenoshamaensa]

Want to bring this one back up, as I had a couple of questions, particularly regarding Bob's comments about rising, culminating (MC) and setting. I should add that I tend to use starts only if conjunct a planet or point (maybe opposition, if we're talking major star) and with a narrow degree, even for the "biggies." If we get too generous on orbs and such, everything is in aspect to everything else, which renders any attempt to say pretty useless and leaves us open to the classic critique of astrology: they can make anything mean anything.

I was born with Algol on my Jupiter, but it's in my 3rd house, the lowest planet in my chart, albeit not at the nadir. But I paid attention to it because Jupiter rules my MC (in Sagittarius). Now, despite ruling my MC, I don't tend to regard Jupiter as particularly strong in my natal chart. The strongest planets in my chart are Mercury (by general placement), Saturn (rising and leading the locomotive pattern in my chart), and Neptune, chart ruler and most elevated planet. After those, I'd put Pluto and Uranus (both conjunct Mercury), and only then put maybe Jupiter, Mars and Venus. The Sun and Moon are lowest, I fear. ;p

Anyway, I give all that info as background (chart in my signature). Some years back, when I was learning astrology, my tutor/mentor told me not to worry too much about Algol on Jupiter, despite its bad rep, because due to placement, it didn't really matter. That would match what Bob said. It's not rising, culminating or setting.

It is in very close aspect to Jupiter, however, and Jupiter IS ruler of the MC, so should I consider that? Or does it just not matter much?

She said of MORE interest is Regulus conjunct my Desc, although it's a 2 degree orb, not one degree. (Regulus JUST into Virgo and my Desc at 1.39 Virgo, give or take a few seconds.) She said that was likely to bring me great fame or good fortune through my first marriage, or that I would marry someone famous. Well ... maybe. I was married 20 years to the same guy, but am now divorced. He did help put me through grad school, but it didn't really bring me "fame." Nor is my ex- at all famous. So thoughts on that?

Additionally, I noticed that Regulus is much more closely conjunct the MC of a good friend of mine. He's now approaching 40, however, but not famous. He IS a **** good teacher and has won teaching awards, but he has not been particularly fortunate in his career. I tend to see "job" as 6th house, 10th as vocation/career. He's a part-time lecturer as his "vocation," and again, while very good at it, I'm not sure I'd say he's been exceptionally fortunate. He actually make more money via his "job" (which is ironically as a produce guy at an organic grocer!). I do recognize salary has little to do with success, but while I wouldn't say he's been unsuccessful and does have a good rep as a teacher, he's not been exceptionally so.

So thoughts on that? Regulus is sort of the "star opposite" of Algol in reputation. One is the ultimate "bad" star, the other, the ultimate "royal" star. I do assume that a conjunction to the Asc/Desc and MC matter more, and again, I'm using small orbs, even for these major stars. Nothing greater than 2.

[Monk]

I don't use projected star positions, they are rarely correct, i use parans, sadly today i've run out of ink for my printer, so i can't post graphs but i will soon!

The time of the attack on Jennifer Mills-Westley by Deyan Valentinov Deyanov, a psychiatric patient was approx. 10:20am on 13th May 2011 in Los Cristianos, links below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Cristianos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Mills-Westley

When Jupiter rose in the East at location on day it was conjunct Venus, Mercury and Algol along the line of horizon, Pluto was approx three degrees off-set from M.C.

At time of death Alnilam (Belt of Orion) was rising at 10:20am, while Pluto was setting, both within a degree.....Alnilam is used by esoteric societies a lot, but obviously here it was synchronicity, we can't see why as we haven't the birth charts of the people involved, i'll post graphs later, but yes there were signs that "something" might happen in that area that was bloody! Pluto and Alnilam are the God of the dead, connected to Osiris, and yes Algol was connected the the Asc. on that day as Jupiter, Venus and Mercury rose.....Mars wasn't far away, approx, 5 degrees, and Pluto was 3 degrees off M.C. .....interesting isn't it, JupiterAsc!

[Monk]

It is hardly right to mention that Friday 13th May 2011 was very unlucky for poor Jennifer Mills-Westley. It wasn't the first time, the superstition comes from the arrest of the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, DeMolay!

[serafin5]

Ancient astrology considered the 'fixed stars' most significant. For me, the above two posts are very interesting!:smile:

serafin5 you said you are not sure how Algol affects us here on earth.

Kenoshaemenso, I mulled over your reminder of BobZemco's comments concerning MC/IC/ASC/DESC (culminating, rising, setting) of Algol and other fixed stars.

I recall that the recently elected new leader of Jamaica has stated in no uncertain terms her intention to 'Remove the Queen as Head of State'! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VPhrvUZNII

I wondered whether Algol's reputation as related to 'beheading' is possibly not only literal but may also be in some way symbolic and decided to investigate the Queen of England.

I found Queen Elizabeth II of England's chart online http://www.librarising.com/astrology/celebs/queenelizabethii.html and immediately noticed she has Algol conjunct the IC of her natal chart and obviously therefore anti-culminating - i.e. opposing her MC - Queen Elizabeth II of England's IC degree is 26º Taurus 33'!!

I find this intriguing because Queen Elizabeth II of England could be said to be symbolically 'losing her Head' in the sense of 'being removed as Head of State' not only of Jamaica but also possibly of Australia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHJMtKCaW6U&feature=related




(Twilight Zone music starts playing now)......:happy:

Honestly, JupAsc, I really do want to know if Algol will affect me having my moon almost conj. it. Or if there is a site that offers explanations of these aspects I would appreciate any advice.

Thanks,
Alicia

[JUPITERASC]

(Twilight Zone music starts playing now)......:happy:
Honestly, JupAsc, I really do want to know if Algol will affect me having my moon almost conj. it. Or if there is a site that offers explanations of these aspects I would appreciate any advice. Thanks, Alicia
I'm no expert serafin5 - dr. 'fixed star' farr would have some answers :smile:

- I did find - QUOTE:

"Sir Mick Jagger has his Moon on Algol. This is relevant to his songs about women, for example: She was skilled in the arts of deception, I could tell by her bloodstained hands, or Help me, please doctor, I'm damaged/ There's a pain where there once was a heart/ The girl I'm to marry is a four-legged sow ... and the brutality in his treatment of them. Matter, mater"

also

"Ariel Sharon, Israel's Prime Minister, has his Moon on Algol and conjunct the Sun of Israel (the latter being two degrees away from Algol). He is known for comments like, "The Palestinians must be hit and it must be very painful: we must cause them losses, victims, so that they can feel the heavy price" - a propos of the March 2002 re-invasion of the Occupied Territories"

source: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/algol.html

[Monk]

Hi Serafin5,

As i say i'm not keen on projected fiixed stars as they aren't accurate, on date of 13th May 2011, Algol was 26 degrees 19 minutes of Taurus, however it only moved into 26 degrees in 1987/8, roughly a star will move a minute a year (1 degree every 72 years) the right orb is one degree, so as long as you are over 24 it wouldn't apply to your birth Moon.

Hi JupiterAsc,

Birth analysis is done by parans, but go for the whole day, thus i would look at the parans for the whole day for the murder of Jennifer Mills-Westley, Angol rose in Los Cristianos on 13 May 2011 at 06:00am, it rose with Jupiter, Mercury and Venus conjunct, but the Asc. was 26* degrees Aries....thats how much project fixed stars are out of synch with real astronomy, graphs on attachment.

Basically two graphs showing the same, with Algol,constellation Perseus rising in the East, 30 DEGREES AWAY FROM 26 TAURUS!

[Monk]

The position of fixed stars when reaching an angle changes from location to location, the other factor is most astrologers using projected measure would find Alnilam at 23 degrees 37 minutes Gemini on 13th May 2011,....actually the murder occured at 10:20am in Los Cristianos, while Alnilam was rising as Pluto set, but at 6 degrees Cancer, so projected fixed stars are way out of synch with a true measure. JupiterAsc knows all about the power of Alnilam, especially mixed with Pluto!

It is a shame that Jennifer Mills-Westley didn't suffer from Paraskevidekatriaphobia! (Fear of Friday 13th)

Graph below:-

[JUPITERASC]

Hi Monk - I agree that the ancient technique of parans makes most sense although I'm not that knowledgeable on these matters

What do you make of the Queen of Englands IC being conjunct Algol? I find that most intriguing. Henry VIII's wives ringing any bells? When I get time I shall check out parans for her natal chart :smile:

[Monk]

Hi JupiterAsc,

I with others have just started info on astronomy and parans with a new research web-site, it isn't spam, you can join, however i'm not pinching members, i only deal with fixed stars with other researchers.

http://wintertriangle.org/

Actually Algol is no where near the I.C. on Queen Elizabeth's Chart, to have any bearing it would have to be below the Sun, in fact at 2:40am on 21st April 1926, in London, Algol was still above the HORIZON looking towards the North, good job ancient navigators never used projected fixed stars, isn't it??

Graph below:-

[Monk]

Science dropped astrology, a long time ago, now they note astrologers as "Nutty"

So. is this funny, links below!:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Science_Society

http://www.hssonline.org/publications/publications_isis_osiris.html

Hold on, isn't my philosophical point of view, Osiris and Isis?????

Small acorn, lots to add!!!

[Mark]

I've read that the nation of India has once again classified astrology as a science. I don't know how true that is, but that is what I've read.

[sandstone]

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-02-03/india/28356472_1_astrology-advocate-for-maharashtra-government-dattaram-kumkar

[dr. farr]

Algol-as in the case of all stellar lords-will operate by its projection to the ecliptic (just like in acupuncture a point in the leg will "connect"-"project"-to the "kidney" by being "connected/on" the same energetic meridian), however, in my opinion, parallel of the star in declination will tend to manifest the "strongest" influence of that star. When one finds both an ecliptic longitudinal conjunction (within a couple of degrees) AND a parallel of declination (within about 1/1.5 degrees), the influence of the given star will be tend to be maximal.
Regarding Algol, this star can never be in both longitudinal conjunction and parallel of declination with ANY planet (at one and the same time), because Algol's declination is quite a bit beyond the ecliptic border (nearly 41 degrees North)
Stars which CAN be in both longitudinal conjunction with a planet AND in parallel of declination with a planet at the same time, are listed in my thread in the Fixed Stars forum, entitled "Declinations of Several Stars Along the Solar Path"...

(Note: I am of the opinion that Algol has been over-rated as being "the most evil star in the heavens"; yes, it is a highly disruptive stellar influence-a "catabolic" as I refer to so-called "malefics"-but there are other stellar lords every bit equal to it in their potential disruptive influences; also note that Algol is an eclipsing binary, ie, every 68 hours and 49 minutes it "blinks", ie is eclipsed by its twin, for a period of 8 hours; ancients said that the influence of Algol is blocked/negated during the 8 hour blinking period; so if an event-like a birth-happened to occur during the eclipsed period for Algol, then even a close longidtunial conjunction of a natal planet with Algol, that planet would not be influenced by Algol at all!)

[Monk]

Hi Dr. Farr,
Nice to chat, yes the Ecliptic is the apparent path of the Sun's motion on the celestial sphere, and by projected measure all stars are tied to this small line across the sky, but obviously when you look at the sky at night, the sky is full of stars, for projected measure to be correct then all stars would only be in a line following the apparent path of the Sun, and the rest of the sky would be just black.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/eclip.html

There are a few stars that actually sit on the Ecliptic, and then and only then will projected stars and parans show the same thing. So i'm wanting to discuss Regulus, that does sit more or less exactly on the ecliptic line.

I don't know if anyone has written a thread on this yet, but in the small hours of 18th September 2011, Regulus changed signs and now sits at 00*:00' Virgo, it will stay there till a few weeks before the end of 2012.

As this is one of the great stars of the sky i thought it deserved a mention, i have chosen Greenwich U.K. for obvious reasons for charts on attachment, although i have chosen 11:20:21am when the M.C. is over 00*:00" Virgo, thus showing two charts using projected and parans that agree with each other, but only because Regulus sits on the Ecliptic!

Obviously astrologers have a different opinion about the orb to use, i'm tight, only 1 degree, the guy below wants to use 6 degrees for Algol, which i think is stupid!

http://www.eastrovedica.com/html/fixed_stars.asp

Remember that i don't know date the above link was written so star positions have moved slightly.

[serafin5]

Hi Serafin5,

As i say i'm not keen on projected fiixed stars as they aren't accurate, on date of 13th May 2011, Algol was 26 degrees 19 minutes of Taurus, however it only moved into 26 degrees in 1987/8, roughly a star will move a minute a year (1 degree every 72 years) the right orb is one degree, so as long as you are over 24 it wouldn't apply to your birth Moon.

Hi JupiterAsc,

Birth analysis is done by parans, but go for the whole day, thus i would look at the parans for the whole day for the murder of Jennifer Mills-Westley, Angol rose in Los Cristianos on 13 May 2011 at 06:00am, it rose with Jupiter, Mercury and Venus conjunct, but the Asc. was 26* degrees Aries....thats how much project fixed stars are out of synch with real astronomy, graphs on attachment.

Basically two graphs showing the same, with Algol,constellation Perseus rising in the East, 30 DEGREES AWAY FROM 26 TAURUS!


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I get it now. Basically been where its at for a really long time so this isnt anything new or really something to worry about.

Thanks so much!
Serafin5:biggrin:

[Milos]

Algol is a VERY VERY evil star. It's connected with mass murderers, rapings and other evil things. Hitler had it(directly exposed to it), Pavelic also, if you know Balkan history. Pure evil and destruction personalities. But it can be neutralized, or if you have good planet positions you might feel it at all. All is connected with destiny.

[sandstone]

milos, you are talking thru yer hat... hitler had no astro connection to algol.. read dr. farrs post to get you started on a bit of sanity and insight..

[sandstone]

i see lower star set to sun jupterasc.. to me it is a stretch to want to lay the blame on everything bad to algol.. i am with dr farr in having a different view...

and i suppose if you can't find a way to tie a planet in a persons chart to algol, and you can't find it via a star paran, well then look for it in right ascension or until it shows up in some other format.. silly way to do astrology from the way as i see it..

[JUPITERASC]

Monk has done considerable research on parans - perhaps he also would provide an opinion on exactly how 'stretched' - or otherwise - parans of Algol to Adolf Hitler's sun is :smile:

[sandstone]

both you and monk don't practice astrology, but at least monk has openly said this.. perhaps you'd like to make a tie in with obamas chart and algol too.. or how about gwbush? it's all there is the star parans, lol...

[dr. farr]

Ancients (like Manilius) used co-rising of stars with the ascending degree as significant (as well as conjunctions in longitude with planets and other horoscopic points, plus parallel of declination or, sometimes-as with Dorotheus of Sidon-parallel of celestial latitude) Parans as applied by contemporary investigators (Brady) are innovative and I think have a great deal of delineative value, but for me, I have more than enough to deal with simply using the stars in longitudinal conjunctions and Parallels.

I agree with Monk's statement in an earlier post, that 6 degree orbs (in longidtude)are really stretching things, even for 1st magnitude stars-although during Medieval, Renaissance and up through early Modernist times, 1st mags were given as much as 7 degree orbs! I personally can't go with that, and for me, I use much smaller orbs in longidtude (3 degrees for 1st mags, 2 degrees for 2nd and 3rd mags, 1 degree for 4th and higher mags, and nebulae)

[Monk]

Hi JupiterAsc,
Yes i was aware that the horoscope wheel was stopped a long time ago, and has moved on, you make some very interesting points however!

Indeed Hitler had some nasty stars that included Facies, Menkar, Algol, and Alphard (although connected to Kundalini), mixing those with Formalhaut and Aldebaran can be lethal combinations.

The pictures here are a little fuzzy, hope you can read paran report on attachment.

[sandstone]

extend it out a few minutes and you will get hitlers sun culminating with sirius rising too... star parans show between uranus and neptune to sirius thru hitlers chart as well...

[sandstone]

was looking at david grohl's chart earlier today and wouldn't ya know it? pesky algol is in a paran with the sun... i tell ya, the guy is evil...

i look at lots of charts and notice these star parans with algol showing up in many of them... am i to conclude that these folks who have star parans to algol are therefore all evil and murderous? something more has to be at work then a star paran with algol.. count me as skeptical towards anyone thinking they've found the astro recipe for an evil person based on an astro connection with algol to a chart... i think one needs to go a bit deeper then this with their astrology if they are going to work with star parans in astro charts...

[ArchAngle42]

If you take a closer look at a picture from Algol and his companion, you might recognize that we can see the traces of two adjacent Birkeland currents whose magnetic traces are depicted in this radio image.

Giant Magnetic Loop Stretches Between Two Stars

http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/algol-580x522.jpg


Astronomers have found a giant magnetic loop stretched outward from one of the stars making up the famous double-star system Algol. The scientists used an international collection of radio telescopes to discover the feature, which may help explain details of previous observations of the stellar system.

The pair, 93 light-years from Earth, includes a star about 3 times more massive than the Sun and a less-massive companion, orbiting it at a distance of 5.8 million miles, only about six percent of the distance between Earth and the Sun. The newly-discovered magnetic loop emerges from the poles of the less-massive star and stretches outward in the direction of the primary star. As the secondary star orbits its companion, one side -- the side with the magnetic loop -- constantly faces the more-massive star, just as the same side of our Moon always faces the Earth.

The newly-discovered magnetic loop helps explain phenomena seen in earlier observations of the Algol system at X-ray and radio wavelengths, the scientists said. In addition, they now believe there may be similar magnetic features in other double-star systems.

http://www.universetoday.com/50509/giant-magnetic-loop-stretches-between-two-stars/

http://plasmauniverse.info/lab_astro.html

[Zonark]

Does a conjunction by Algol of an asteroid such as Vesta become modified by this star? I have both Mars and Vesta quite close to Algol, with Vesta only separated by a few minutes and mars by 3 degrees in fall, Mars also being in that infamous 22nd degree of violence and comprising an Earth trine (Saturn in Capricorn and Mercury in Virgo being the other two points of the triangle).

[JUPITERASC]

Does a conjunction by Algol of an asteroid such as Vesta become modified by this star? I have both Mars and Vesta quite close to Algol, with Vesta only separated by a few minutes and mars by 3 degrees in fall, Mars also being in that infamous 22nd degree of violence and comprising an Earth trine (Saturn in Capricorn and Mercury in Virgo being the other two points of the triangle).
Rebel Uranian refers to asteroids as "lesser pieces of space rock" and IMO the interpretation of all these objects is so recent on the astrological scene that anyone can say what anyone likes because there is insufficient data - no one can disagree and interpretation of asteroids is simply a matter of opinion.

Mars however has been well documented for thousands of years. dr. farr uses the following orbs when assessing planetary conjunctions to fixed stars - here's a link to the thread "Fixed Stars" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=278750#post278750 and here's another link to a thread entitled "Algol" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463 :smile:
-I consider the effective orbs of conjunction or parallel for the stars to be as follows:

+Parallel of Declination: 1.5 degrees same side of the ecliptic for 1-3 magnitude stars, and 1 degree for nebula and 4-5 magnitude stars

+Conjunction in Longitude:
a) for 1st magnitude stars: 3 degrees before or after (exact conjunction)
b) for 2nd and 3rd magnitude stars: 2 degrees before or after
c) for 4th and 5th magnitude stars and nebula: 1 degree before or after

-always consider the constellation the conjunct/parallel star is in; oftentimes you will consider the influence of that starry constellation as being channeled in to the chart via the star in conjunction/parallel with the natal planet, angle, node or Part.

-basic books (my opinion)
Robson "Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology" (best)
Ebertin, "Fixed Starsand their Interpretation"
Noonan, "Fixed Stars & Judicial Astrology"
Morse, "The Living Stars: (gem of a little book)
Brady, "Brady's Book of Fixed Stars" (save for last-if needed)

-website
constellationsofwords.com

(Following are my conclusions and working hypotheses relative to the fixed stars, after studying and experimenting with this subject for many years)

-transits to the stars are temporary in effects; the conjunctions in longidtude or the parallels of declination of the asc, MC,lunar nodes, Parts (such as of Fortune and of Spirit) and planets, IN THE NATAL, to the stars, give permanent, life long trends and tendencies

-(since I believe in "karma") I join in the opinion of certain esotericists that the fixed stars are the "Lords of Karma"

-their role in natal is as qualifying and modifying influences of a superior (superior to the planets) nature and power

-one of the few things in astrology which I KNOW (not what I believe, which are many things-but which I KNOW) is that a star has the POTENTIAL to totally and completely alter the influences of a planet if that star is in close longitudinal conjunction or parallel of declination with that planet (this is a radical statement and many of our friends will not agree with it, but for me it is as much of a proven fact as that the Sun will appear over the horizon tomorrow at sunrise)

-Robson (and other experts) have stated that stars can operate/influence by opposition and square; my plate has been so full with conjunctions and parallels, however, that I have not investigated these other potentials, so cannot comment on them: however, I will state that for your first years of studying and testing the stars, concentrate on their conjunctions and parallels

[Zonark]

Rebel Uranian refers to asteroids as "lesser pieces of space rock" and IMO the interpretation of all these objects is so recent on the astrological scene that anyone can say what anyone likes because there is insufficient data - no one can disagree and interpretation of asteroids is simply a matter of opinion.

Mars however has been well documented for thousands of years. dr. farr uses the following orbs when assessing planetary conjunctions to fixed stars - here's a link to the thread "Fixed Stars" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=278750#post278750 and here's another link to a thread entitled "Algol" http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463 :smile:

Thank you JupiterAsc! Lesser pieces of space rock... I like that :cool:

[Zaphod]

Thank you JupiterAsc! Lesser pieces of space rock... I like that :cool:

Once in a lecture back in the '80s, Rob Hand called lesser asteroids "traveling gravel." That has always stuck with me, especially since literally thousands of them have now been identified and numbered (though not all named). I'm just getting started with fixed stars, and already I see that it's more worthwhile to put my limited time there than on studying asteroids.

Which brings me to the point regarding Algol. Morinus (the computer program, not the astrologer) has a module for locating fixed stars in a chart. It mainly focuses on conjunctions (with specific check-boxes for the nodes, the intermediary house cusps and the PoF), but you can click "Show Out of Orb Too" and see everything that's on the (editable) list. I don't know whether it uses parans, but probably not. The only "in-orb" contacts in my chart are Algol setting in Taurus, 15 minutes of arc above the Descendant (I read an article on "Medusa's Head" that mentioned "The Great Burial Trench" - sounds like 32 years of marriage :) . . . no, j/k), Alcyone just past Algol in Taurus in the 7th House conjunct the Part of Fortune within 6 minutes of arc, Gemma in Scorpio conjunct the mean MSN within 5 minutes of arc in the Placidus 12th House, or Whole Sign 1st House, and Polaris and Betelgeuse in the 8th House in late degrees of Gemini, about 2 degrees ahead of the conjunction to Uranus (Morinus comes set up with 3-degree orbs for fixed stars, and I didn't play with it . . . yet).

Presently lacking Robson's book (or anyone else's), I'm in the dark about the meaning of any of this other than the dire interpretations for Algol (but there's no natal planet in its location). Anyone care to give me a brief summary of the nature of these five star? (Note that the Winshop link someone posted is now broken.)

[Zaphod]

Zaphod - An opinion on how to use the fixed stars from Anne Wright at http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Stars_alphabet.htm :smile:

Thanks! This link is exactly what I was looking for. The only star I had trouble finding was Gemma; I had to google it to find out it's also called Alphecca. I also found the following link that appears to draw from the same source material and is a bit easier to read:

http://www.astrology-central.com/stars

Of the five stars I'm interested in, it looks like only Betelgeuse was within the ecliptic at the time of my birth and therefore a candidate for being in parallel with any of the planets. It was parallel with Mars by slightly more than one degree but not conjunct longitudinally. I will have to look at the rest of the list to see if there are any tight parallels.