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sdh3
05-12-2011, 07:39 AM
The adjective ornamental descends from the Indo-European root ord- which means “to arrange, arrangement.” Other words descending from this root include ordain, ordnance, order, ordinal, ordinary, ordinate, coordination, inordinate, ornate, adorn, and suborn.

The word hand descends from Old English hond meaning a “person who works with his hands.”

The word kerchief descends from two Indo-European roots, the first of which is wer-5, “to cover.” Other descendants include aperients (a purging medicine) aperitif, aperture, overt, pert, cover, guaranty, warranty, warrant, garage, garrison, garret, garment, garnish, garniture, weir (a tower that is part of a defensive structure), and barbican.

The second half of the word, chief, descends from the root kaput-, “head.” Among its other derivatives are the words caprice, achieve, biceps, caddie, cadet, capital, capitol, capitulate, captain, cattle, chapter, chef, chief, corporal, head, kerchief, and mischief.

COMMENTARY: Militarism and defense are a theme that unites the two key words of this symbol:

*From the root wer-5 we have garrison (a fortified military post where troops are stationed) and weir (a tower that is part of a defensive structure).

*From the root kaput- we have the words cadet (a military trainee), captain and corporal, both of which are military officers of varying rank.

*Finally, from the root ord- come the words ordnance (military materiel, such as weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and equipment), and order (a command given by a superior military officer requiring obedience, as in the execution of a task).

piercethevale
05-12-2011, 11:28 PM
Hi sdh3. Is that the complete text on the symbol from Jones?...I don't have Jones' book and only have that by Rudhyar handy.

piercethevale
05-13-2011, 12:05 AM
It would be of a great help when you cite to put the text in parenthesis...thanks:smile:

piercethevale
05-17-2011, 09:50 PM
OH..FYI...BTW...THIS IS THE DEGREE AND SYMBOL FOR LILITH IN MY OWN BIRTH CHART...[ya done it again, sdh3..!]:annoyed::pinched::andy:

sdh3
05-18-2011, 06:04 AM
It would be of a great help when you cite to put the text in parenthesis...thanks:smile:

Happy to oblige but not sure exactly how you mean that. Can you please provide and example.
thx
sdh3

sdh3
05-18-2011, 06:06 AM
OH..FYI...BTW...THIS IS THE DEGREE AND SYMBOL FOR LILITH IN MY OWN BIRTH CHART...[ya done it again, sdh3..!]:annoyed::pinched::andy:

Not having seen your chart, I was not aware of this. I picked it because it's the symbol for my natal Sun!

--sdh3

piercethevale
05-18-2011, 07:28 AM
Happy to oblige but not sure exactly how you mean that. Can you please provide and example.
thx
sdh3an example: I always cite the source just like this. [From Rudhyars book]: "(ARIES 1°): A WOMAN JUST RISEN FROM THE SEA. A SEAL IS EMBRACING HER."
I just mean that when you post the Symbols image in text that you put it in quotation marks as I don't know if you're posting the entire authors description...it's because I only have Rudhyars book and I can't tell from what Astrologer you're citing...I'm assuming Jones...but I don't have Jones' book...
I'm just trying to keep people from bringing dubious authors work into this forum such as 'Goldsmith'..for an example...as remaining silent does give a basis for acceptance and consent...and someone could claim that I accept such charlatans such as him...and as the title Sabian Symbols and all descriptions of those images are copyrighted by Jones and Rudhyar with Jones consent [and blessing, I might add...[not knowing if any other authors are or not] it also does become a bit of a legal issue and I'd hate to see the Sabian Assembly sue this web-site and this Sabian forum shut down....am, I making sense to you?...I'm having writers block at the moment...

piercethevale
05-18-2011, 07:41 AM
...and there's nothing personal..about my request..I hope you understand...I know that you are using Jones...but, I have to state for the record and set precedent the future...for those that follow.

sdh3
05-18-2011, 01:53 PM
...and there's nothing personal..about my request..I hope you understand...I know that you are using Jones...but, I have to state for the record and set precedent the future...for those that follow.

Yes, I do use only the symbols as articulated by Jones in his 1953 book entitled "The Sabian Symbols in Astrology." The request is entirely reasonable and also, as you say, establishes a useful precedent.

---sdh3

piercethevale
05-18-2011, 07:08 PM
Yes, I do use only the symbols as articulated by Jones in his 1953 book entitled "The Sabian Symbols in Astrology." The request is entirely reasonable and also, as you say, establishes a useful precedent.

---sdh3
Cool. Coming from you, a man, a professor whom has taught at MIT and is still, currently teaching at a most esteemed university, I am honored to have you acknowledge my logic. [that doesn't happen too often in ones life if at all!]:biggrin: