Unplanned pregnancy?

[heloise]

Hello,

My solar return for 2011-12 mentions the risk of an unplanned pregnancy. Though I do want to have children in the future, the thought of an accidental pregnancy fills me with dread (I am currently single).
Here is the chart for my question: will I become pregnant in 2011-12?

My interpretation:
I am venus exalted in pisces (fertile sign I read).
Moon is also in its own sign (fertile)
Baby / pregnancy would be 5th house: jupiter in its own triplicity in aries but under the sun beams
Moon and venus: applying trine
Venus and Jupiter: applying square

I would say that a pregnancy might indeed be possible.
I would really welcome the opinion of horary experts, Tikana, Dr Farr perhaps?

Many many thanks

[moved from relational to medical as question about pregnancy - Moderator]

[tikana]

hi

can you post this chart on Regio
please

T

[heloise]

Hi Tikana - sure, no probs, here it is.
Hx

[heloise]

Hi Sugar - thanks for this! I took the antiscion of the 5th house cusp, which, if my calculations are correct, is at 28 degree Libra and here is what it says:

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[tikana]

hi there

actually very likely!
here is why
Venus is fertile! it is in 5th house
moon is super fertile cancer
they are trining
BUUUT
moon will not only trine venus but square jupiter
and jupiter is in 7th house *5 deg orb cusp*
yeah if you dont want ot get pregnant, careful!
cause it does look like a baby coming
T

[heloise]

Thanks both! Yep, that's what I thought too... but forwarned is forearmed so I'll be super extra careful.
Have a good day!
Hx

[Tanne]

Your Solar return does look like a pregnancy is likely. You need to check the aspects that your progressed Moon is making and also your profected chart. It will be wise to be careful though!

[tikana]

wait a second

IS THIS horary or solar return>!!!

[heloise]

BUUUT
moon will not only trine venus but square jupiter
and jupiter is in 7th house *5 deg orb cusp*
yeah if you dont want ot get pregnant, careful!
cause it does look like a baby coming
T


Hi Tikana - how do you interpret jupiter in 7tt apart from fact that it's clearly in the 'father's' house... :wink:
H.

[dr. farr]

wait a second

IS THIS horary or solar return>!!!

It is a horary chart from the background given and the evidences of the chart itself.

[tikana]

Hi Tikana - how do you interpret jupiter in 7tt apart from fact that it's clearly in the 'father's' house... :wink:
H.

Hi Heloise

well Jupiter rules children
since it is in male sign, I would say if you decide to keep the baby, you will have a son
that's judging by female / male signs

so is this horary chart or solar return?

T

[heloise]

Many thanks for this Tikana! I can confirm that it is definitely a horary chart!

Best

Hx

[tikana]

Hi H

okay yeah it looks like pregancy chart but you can avoid if careful

Look at what i found

william lilly Horary astrology book

"If a Woman ask whether she may have a Child If a married woman ask consider whether the lord of the ascendant be in the 5th or 7th or the lord of the 5th be in the ascendant or 7th or lord of the 7th in the 5th or the moon with him or good planets in the ascendant or with the lord of the 5th or in the angles she may then conceive"

well Lord of 5th is in 7th - oooooo this is interesting

T

[heloise]

"If a Woman ask whether she may have a Child If a married woman ask consider whether the lord of the ascendant be in the 5th or 7th or the lord of the 5th be in the ascendant or 7th or lord of the 7th in the 5th or the moon with him or good planets in the ascendant or with the lord of the 5th or in the angles she may then conceive"



Yep, indeed! Feedback might take a while but I'll keep you all posted :wink:
Thanks again for looking at the chart.

[dr. farr]

I myself would be interested in taking a "fertility trend" look (using the M.P.Hall evaluating technique) at the Solar Return chart, if Heloise is interested and cares to post it!

[Aquarius358]

Hello,

My solar return for 2011-12 mentions the risk of an unplanned pregnancy. Though I do want to have children in the future, the thought of an accidental pregnancy fills me with dread (I am currently single).
Here is the chart for my question: will I become pregnant in 2011-12?

My interpretation:
I am venus exalted in pisces (fertile sign I read).
Moon is also in its own sign (fertile)
Baby / pregnancy would be 5th house: jupiter in its own triplicity in aries but under the sun beams
Moon and venus: applying trine
Venus and Jupiter: applying square

I would say that a pregnancy might indeed be possible.
I would really welcome the opinion of horary experts, Tikana, Dr Farr perhaps?

Many many thanks


Hi Heloise,
The answer is NO you won't fall pregnant because there is no sign of 5 ruler being in the 1st House (your life) or close to it. You'd need 5 ruler approaching the 1st or aspecting the ASC (trine or sextile or square even) to be able to confidently predict a yes. And there’s no aspect between you (Venus) and 5 ruler (Jupiter) or the Moon and Jupiter.

Jupiter 5 ruler is Combust - not just Under the Sun's Beams as you've noted above. Also, it's located in the 6th House - not a very good place at all for a prediction of pregnancy. With 5 ruler Combust, you’ve got a definite NO.

Normally, you could read Venus being in the 5th as a benefic being there and thus predicting pregnancy - but here Venus is 1 ruler and so it simply means you're thinking deeply/worrying about pregnancy. That's all.

No, you've got nothing here to support a prediction of a pregnancy.______

[heloise]

I myself would be interested in taking a "fertility trend" look (using the M.P.Hall evaluating technique) at the Solar Return chart, if Heloise is interested and cares to post it!

Hello Dr Farr,

I'd be delighted, many thanks! Here is my SR - but perhaps I should move this to another part of the forum as it is not horary anymore.

H.

[heloise]

Hi Heloise,
No, you've got nothing here to support a prediction of a pregnancy.______

Many thanks for your input Aquarius 358!
Hx

[heloise]

I myself would be interested in taking a "fertility trend" look (using the M.P.Hall evaluating technique) at the Solar Return chart, if Heloise is interested and cares to post it!

Incidentally Dr Farr, do feel free to test my question with the Magic 8 ball technique.

Hx

[tikana]

Hey H

i am so sorry .. i scrwed up with your chart

Aqua is right .. here is no prregnancy

Moon gets to saturn first before she reaches to Venus and jupiter

looks like you are fertile judging by moon's condition and fertile with Venus.

Cheers
T

[heloise]

Hey H

i am so sorry .. i scrwed up with your chart

Aqua is right .. here is no prregnancy

Moon gets to saturn first before she reaches to Venus and jupiter

looks like you are fertile judging by moon's condition and fertile with Venus.

Cheers
T

Thanks T and not to worry! I must admit I am rather relieved! Call me old fashioned but I'd rather be in a stable and long term relationship (and possibly even married) before a baby shows up :wink:

[tikana]

Thanks T and not to worry! I must admit I am rather relieved! Call me old fashioned but I'd rather be in a stable and long term relationship (and possibly even married) before a baby shows up :wink:
same here ...

[dr. farr]

Incidentally Dr Farr, do feel free to test my question with the Magic 8 ball technique.

Hx


(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

Walis Magic 8 Ball divination
Note: this is relative to the horary question, NOT to the SR (Magic 8 Ball divination never applies to natals, SRs, progressions, event charts, etc; it only applies to horary-type questions, although the 8 Ball is NOT horary, but rather is a type of astro-divination giving only basic "yes" or "no" indications)

-if we take the Lot of Conception (which I would) as significator, this falls @ 3 Scorpio; Scorpio = Mars which = a "no" answer to the question according to 8 Ball "rules"
-if instead we take the 5th whole sign house as significator, this is under Aquarius which = Saturn which also = a "no" answer to the question

...so taking either relevant significator the Magic 8 Ball gives a "no" to this question.

[dr. farr]

I'll take a look at the 2011/12 SR indications for fertility, based on the H.P. Hall fertility-trend estimation technique (all houses in whole sign format)

Ascendant = Scorpio = +1
5th house = Pisces = +1; Neptune in 5th = +1: net 5th house = +2
8th house = Gemini = +1; Mars in 8th = -1; SN in 8th = -1: net 8th house = -1
11th house = Virgo = -1
Lot of Conception @ 20 Sagittarius = +1
First trigonal night lord of Pisces onb the 5th house = Mars = -1

Adding up:
Fertile = 4 testimonies
Not Fertile = 3 testimonies

This fertility evaluation with a net +1 for fertility, indicates a mildly favorable fertility situation for you during this SR; remember that the fertility potential of a partner can make a big difference in the likelihood, or unlikelihood, for conception to take place; with a net 1 positive for fertility on your part in this SR, even a mildly fertile partner could boost your chance of conception...

[heloise]

I'll take a look at the 2011/12 SR indications for fertility, based on the H.P. Hall fertility-trend estimation technique (all houses in whole sign format)

Ascendant = Scorpio = +1
5th house = Pisces = +1; Neptune in 5th = +1: net 5th house = +2
8th house = Gemini = +1; Mars in 8th = -1; SN in 8th = -1: net 8th house = -1
11th house = Virgo = -1
Lot of Conception @ 20 Sagittarius = +1
First trigonal night lord of Pisces onb the 5th house = Mars = -1

Adding up:
Fertile = 4 testimonies
Not Fertile = 3 testimonies

This fertility evaluation with a net +1 for fertility, indicates a mildly favorable fertility situation for you during this SR; remember that the fertility potential of a partner can make a big difference in the likelihood, or unlikelihood, for conception to take place; with a net 1 positive for fertility on your part in this SR, even a mildly fertile partner could boost your chance of conception...


Many thanks for your analysis dr Farr, I really appreciate it! I'm glad to know that the answer for pregnancy was no... but that I am still fertile :joyful:

[Csquared]

Hello, I was searching the forum and came across this thread - what is the difference between a horary and a solar return chart?

I have attached my own solar return chart here. I too am wonder if an unplanned pregnancy is in my chart. Please shed some light - thanks in advance!

[Tanne]

Hi

A horary chart is a chart for the time and place that an Astrologer understands a question that is asked. A solar return chart a snap shot of the transits on or near your birthday when the Sun gets to the exact degree as your natal Sun. It can be read as a stand alone chart or in combination with your natal birth chart.

You need to assess your natal chart for children before you can predict a pregnancy in a solar return chart. I read the solar return in conjunction with the natal chart so I will not be able to make a prediction with the chart that you have posted.

[Csquared]

Thank you for the explanation, Tanne. I have attached my natal chart here along with my solar return chart. Can you please take a look?

Thanks in advance!

[Tanne]

Hi

I am a medieval Astrologer. I am using medieval methods.

Firstly, I have assessed your ability to have children from your natal chart. For this you analyse the Asc, the cusp of the 5th and houses 1,5,7,10 and 11.You are able to have children mainly due to your semi-fruitful Asc and the part of children in your your semi-fruitful 11th house.
Secondly, I have assessed the chance of you having a child at this time. I have used the following methods. Solar directions, profections and Solar returns. In each of these methods there are indications that there is a chance of you having a child in the next 1-2 years.

Best wishes.
Tanne

[Csquared]

Thank you very much for your reading, Tanne. This is truly fascinating! How does my husband's chart influence what you have read from my chart regarding children in the near future? I have attached my husband's natal and solar return charts here. If you could be so kind to take a look.....

[Tanne]

Hi

Firstly, your husband is able to have children due to the fact that the part of children in his fruitful 10th house.

Secondly, I have assessed the chance of him having a child at this time. I have used the following methods. Solar directions, Fidaria, profections and Solar returns. In each of these methods there are indications that there is a chance of him having a child in the next 1-3 years.

Best wishes.
Tanne