Transits to composite.

[Munch]

This is my composite with my boyfriend of one year with current transits.

I thought our composite was interesting already with it's two hardest aspects being the luminaries square each other and Mars and Venus squaring each other. This would show a blurred line between the male/female archetype. The reality is that we are very equal in the way we think of each other, but we have naturally fallen into traditional male/female roles. It suits us just fine, for now. Maybe Uranus sitting on our Ascendant will do something to shake things up and maybe even make the roles feel stifling. Who knows?! lol.:lol:

Placement wise, we have both Saturn AND Pluto in our 12th house. I really can't pinpoint how this is playing out for us. Maybe someone from the outside can take a guess. Maybe it's the fact that my boyfriend is showing himself to be much more in tune with my own psychology than I'd have ever thought possible. He almost always understands my REAL motives before even I do. I don't know if he feels the same about me, but I do know we feel a profoundly strong binding to each other.

What I did think was most interesting though and the real reason for this post is that our two 12th house planets are now sitting on our luminaries. T. Saturn on our Moon
T. Pluto on our Sun

I've been trying to suss out how this is working currently for us and I can't for the life of me. What's more is Mercury/Venus are lighting up our fifth house and in opposition to our moon already burdened with Saturn.

Any advice on how to manage this minefield? The only thing I can say for sure is we are having to work very hard at not getting on each others last nerves living on top of one another as we are at the moment. Pluto on our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 2nd is making our financial life a little hard, especially with the Saturn square. We haven't been able to do much together to direct our very real need for fun and enjoyment together.

[MaeMae]

Transits to the relationship:

I'll go house by house first, with placements, then look at aspects.

*transiting pluto through 2nd house. i'd imagine would show up as a real confined energy toward earning money, building material wealth, or blowing through it like gangbusters. power struggles over how to use resources and what their deep-seated values are to the relationship.

*transiting neptune in 4th house. things might be a bit more emotionally freeing for you if you two spend time at the ocean or on water. it can be soothing. negatively, a confusing time in home life, might point to one or both of you quietly sabatoging the current living situation, with neither of you being aware that is what is happening. or even possibly shared spiritual retreat at home.

*transiting aries stellium in 5th. Uranus at tail end, zipping in with a flash.
a time for excitifying the romance, playing in new unusual ways, also, matters related to children and/or love affairs (old or new) that spring up unexpectedly. it could be a time of wanting to spice things up, though in a new relationship, usually the spice is still there. jupiter in 5th, be mindful of not getting pregnant, or getting pregnant, if that's a desire.

*sun/moon (new moon) in 6th. this is why it feels like hard work right now. grinding away. brief transit. hang in their and put your mutual time to work for a greater good of the relationship. getting more healthy, helping other people, put work in that benefits the relationship and helps others.

*saturn in 11th - there may be some limits or restrictions on friendships. maybe you have friends he doesn't like or vice versa. friends of the relationship will be stablizing and likely to hold each of you accountable for something in some way.

*transiting pluto conj. comp. sun. there is definitely a transformation of this relationship being called for, getting to the bottom of who each other us, how deep each of you is willing to go.

*too much to write considering your combined stelliums in comp. and transits, however, most transits from 5th are trining 1st, which is, well, very much about me-me-me-me for both of you right now. each of you wants fun and games and joy right now, want to do what you want, express yourselves, but

*transiting saturn conj. compos. moon is a bit stifling and unjoyful and can throw a wet blanket.

*watch out for uranus transiting 5th when it comes up to trine that comp. uranus in 1st. yeah, buddy! there will be some real surprises and changes.

*side note - venus on comp. asc., indicates you are an attractive and social couple and venus square comp mars indicates fireworks in the romance dept. with the uranus conj. to venus in comp., you both require a lot of independence and freedom. this is an aspect of the "wandering eye", in your case, "eyes." hopefully it is a relationship void of jealousy, otherwise, it could indicate "disruptions" to relationship, i.e. affairs, especially with all the planets transiting 5th right now.

stick with transiting pluto in 2nd to ferret out your mutual values, transiting sun/moon in 6th to work on a project that brings you together for the greater good of yourselves and watch out for erratic behaviors from 5th to 1st which will feel fun and good (trine) but may actually create some damage. the trine is lazy - feeling good is good enough - and when stellium transits leave feel good 5th, you'll realize how much more work there is, if you didn't take care of it during this fun time. a mixed bag, i know.

good luck.

[Munch]

Response house by house :)

* 2nd House Pluto Transit: We are both furiously trying to save money to get moved into a bigger place that's our own with no room mates as we both require LOTS of space and neither of us has it at the moment, in large part because of me (I'll post my chart), the Capricorn having just gone through my Saturn Return and losing EVERYTHING. I am now picking up the pieces. Ironically, my Solar Return Sun was also in my Solar Return 2nd house on the solar eclipse Jan 4. Money is coming much faster and easier for him than me at the moment, though it's a huge focus for me. I'm slowly cleaning up debt from my younger, 'special' years. Even though he's 6 years my junior, he's been schooling me financially. He's crazy smart.

* I can't really comment on the Neptune transit. It's effects are well hidden. All I know is I have been in transit for a good year having moved 3 times over the last year....effects as far as I can tell of Pluto transiting my IC at 7 degrees Capricorn.

* 5th house Stellium already commented on. I'm in agreement that with you that my boyfriend and I really want to do something together but are so limited in every way. My God, it's frustrating. It's a good thing that we both have a major emphasis on Sagittarius in our charts, or we might have killed each other for lack of a sense of humor about it all.

*6th house New Moon/Sun conjunction. Agreed. We both started eating a little better and I've suggested some things that we can do to make both of us healthier and happier. :)

*Saturn in the 11th. At the moment, I have completely cut myself off from my old network of friends. Right now Saturn is transiting my asc and its natal position. It is also squaring my natal sun. I have no real network any more which is kinda sad kinda whatever. Apathy has been ruling this department for us both. I think this is further solidifying our bond as it transits our moon, by bringing the focus in.

* T. Pluto conjunct sun, still not sure, but I will let you know. All I've been able to come up with is the same answer of transformation. I have not been able to put my finger on what that means, especially given that Pluto was transiting our Comp Sun when we got together. I don't know what our relationship would feel like without this influence.

Final thought is that I guess we are seriously in the business of redefining ourselves as a couple. I am curious how much of our personal identities are going to end up being deeply wound up within the identity of the relationship.

Side Note About Us:
He's 24 and I'm 30. He's from a very small (as in one intersection) town in the mountains. I'm from Seattle and LA respectively. He's white. I'm black (and Irish and Native American). He's rock n roll and I'm Jazz and House Music. To look at us, you'd never think......How I love Uranus! :lol::joyful::alien:

[MaeMae]

Munch,

Uranus can definitely draw opposites together, the planet seems to create surprising polarities., not like Gemini or Pisces in mutability, but in strict and rigid values that can be on either side of the continuum in his mind and expression. The sturdy environmentalist who wants to defend the earth, but hates the human species. An intellectual who doesn't want to hear an opposing thought. Those kinds of things are Uranus, to me.

So, as is it's way, from my experience, he draws people together who exhibit these kinds of polarities. Uranus doesn't do well in relationships unless it's involved with another of Uranian qualities. If someone doesn't get it / get you. then it usually doesn't last. Those are the kinds of values to probe in the early relationship, and you'll see it in the 2nd house "stuff" and "possessions" and "security" house, 2nd. I don't know why, but I find it true. I have learned/am still learning. Otherwise, Uranus could bring different people together but fleetingly.

On my personal note, I have often been in relationships with Uranus in 1st men. My son's father, as well as my son, have Uranus in first, as do at least 3 of my past mates or boyfriends. But we aren't together today, (well, of course my son is).
It has a very definite "weeding out" quality to it.

Again, the Pluto transit to 2nd in composite asking both of you to examine these differences, make note and see if you can work them out, maybe even in an unconventional manner. Aquarius is fixed and seldom is willing to initiate personal change, despite initiating it for others.

Uranus/Aquarius likes change on a theoretical level, seldom on a personal level. I know you are a traditionalist, so you will understand the connection to Saturn here. I'm Aquarius sun but have Jup-Sat in Cap and the three work well together. But that's a side note.

So, in what you describe about your differences and say you love Uranus. I immediately want to look further into Neptune in your personal chart. Where is your Neptune, house and sign and what does it aspect?

Uranus aspects are as much a caution sign in another as Saturn or Neptune, unless you have mutual Uranus influences in your chart. Otherwise, it might not last.

The Pluto in 2nd years in your composite will take a long, deep probing of values before either of you will truly commit. Uranus doesn't really like to probe, usually, but he does have quick insight/intuition, call it what you will, and usually is able to develop immediate solutions to a difficult problem.

[Munch]

Hey Mae Mae. I posted my chart in my last reply to you. :biggrin:

I have Uranus on the 28th degree of Scorpio in my 2nd house, and feel very strongly connected to it. Perhaps because it is singleton being my only water planet. It also sextiles my Mars in Aquarius in the 5th. I've always been attracted to quirky men, highly intelligent (as is my boyfriend, seriously genious how his brain works, he's also an Aquarius Rising), and men that I have fondly described as 'entertaining to look at.' IE, not the Tall, Dark and Handsome guy.

My boyfriend and I definitely 'Get' each other. We are very different, but at the same time, not so much. I used to joke before we got together and were only friends, that he was my photo negative. The exact inverse of me, but still very much so 'me.'

I am not posting his chart, for privacy sake, but he is an 11th house, 27 degree Sagittarius with a four planet and MC Stellium also in Sagittarius. I have my Moon/Venus/Neptune Stellium in Sagittarius all over him. We also both have Saturn/Neptun contacts to each other in our synastry, which I have found is a good indicator of two people being able to find their 'ideal' and manifest it within their relationship.

An interesting side note about us, is that while we are both fiercly committed to each other and making it work, there is a huge 'space' that we operate in mentaly and emotionally with each other. We give each other space to be exactly who we are. The kicker then is that we are committed but neither of us is too worried about making it last. We work on it, but don't worry about it. We both have a very clear understanding that sometimes, things aren't meant to be forever, and so we enjoy the now and make it count. Tomorrow will come and bring with it, what it may. :)

In the meantime while we are under the heavy influences of Saturn and Pluto on our luminaries, I just want to see if anyone has any suggestions on making it through this time. We still rarely, if ever argue, but we do drive each other nutso from time to time. :whistling::wink:

Thanks again! I'm sorry my response doesn't include anything about your situation. I'm at work, so I promise to get back to you on your personal experience and insights as well!

[MaeMae]

Munch -

I have found it meaningful and important, to look at natal's in overlays to composite. Even the most lovely of composite charts (how the couple operates as an entity) are riddled with aspects that will show us where points of contention will be, for each party. The harmonious planets show where the ease lies. These are important connections to watch, because trines and sextiles (less than trines) are comfortable with ease and how it is. A trine can tolerate a situation that a square cannot. I think people who feel like they are in a "rut" are contending with square and trine aspects.

[Munch]

sorry, I've been dealing with a family emergency, so I'll post those charts later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks MaeMae.:smile:

[Vista]

This is my composite with my boyfriend of one year with current transits.

I thought our composite was interesting already with it's two hardest aspects being the luminaries square each other and Mars and Venus squaring each other. This would show a blurred line between the male/female archetype. The reality is that we are very equal in the way we think of each other, but we have naturally fallen into traditional male/female roles. It suits us just fine, for now. Maybe Uranus sitting on our Ascendant will do something to shake things up and maybe even make the roles feel stifling. Who knows?! lol.:lol:

Placement wise, we have both Saturn AND Pluto in our 12th house. I really can't pinpoint how this is playing out for us. Maybe someone from the outside can take a guess. Maybe it's the fact that my boyfriend is showing himself to be much more in tune with my own psychology than I'd have ever thought possible. He almost always understands my REAL motives before even I do. I don't know if he feels the same about me, but I do know we feel a profoundly strong binding to each other.

What I did think was most interesting though and the real reason for this post is that our two 12th house planets are now sitting on our luminaries. T. Saturn on our Moon
T. Pluto on our Sun

I've been trying to suss out how this is working currently for us and I can't for the life of me. What's more is Mercury/Venus are lighting up our fifth house and in opposition to our moon already burdened with Saturn.

Any advice on how to manage this minefield? The only thing I can say for sure is we are having to work very hard at not getting on each others last nerves living on top of one another as we are at the moment. Pluto on our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 2nd is making our financial life a little hard, especially with the Saturn square. We haven't been able to do much together to direct our very real need for fun and enjoyment together.

Hum, I think I would be more inclined to look at Transits to each other's natal charts. I haven't done much work on Composite and transits so not sure how accurate it is in terms of timing. Is your boyfriends birth-time an approximation? Usually people aren't born exactly on the hour or half hour.

[MaeMae]

As regards transits to composites, Vista, I'll share my recent experience. I was involved with a man for nearly a year in a half. The relationship (loosely defined) was wrought with struggle. It was very difficult to break it off (pluto-venus aspects in synastry) but our composite moon at 3' Aries was hit in succession by this current Aries stellium. I know that for both of us, it was becoming an emotionally dissatisfying situation, where asserting each other's emotional needs was becoming contentious. As transiting uranus approached conj. to our composite moon in 8th house - it ended, literally overnight. Mutually and with very little emotional turmoil in its wake. Neither was getting what we needed from the coupling, and Uranus, as is his way, zapped it done. Because of uranus' ability to effect quick and sudden changes, in even the most stoic of situations, what was, in the truest emotional sense, no longer existed.

[Munch]

I'm inclined to agree with MaeMae as the composite is composed of midpoints from our actual natals. Therefore any transits to the composite will also be transits to natals.

Right now our relationship is very sound, but feels very 'stuck.' We are both being hit with lots of little and not so little things at the moment. I just want to make sure that we keep our squares 'in check,' if you will.

I am forgoing posting his chart because I'd like to afford him some privacy.

Mine is in my profile.

MaeMae I will send you his chart tonight when I get home from work.

Vista, he was born at 11 minutes after the hour. I just haven't bothered to change it because the his Asc is so late and the moon isn't on the cusp, so for me, it's good enough as is. Though, I suppose changing it would be the proper thing. :) Also, I was born at exactly 11:45pm, so some of us do end up with those rather easy to remember charts.

[Munch]

VISTA! I must vindicate you. :biggrin:

I corrected his birth time and while I'd only considered his Asc, I didn't think about his MC. What a huge difference that made to correct the time. Thanks for asking about this and reminding me of how important the time accuracy is. Lesson learned.

[Inconjunct]

The composite is a hypothetical chart. I can't really see how it would receive transits as it doesn't actually exist "in real life".

[Munch]

I used to think the same thing, until I considered that the planets making aspects by transit to composites are actually transiting the natal planets of both parties. However, if it's a conjunction in the composite, it's more than likely going to be a different kind of transit to the natals.