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tmonk
11-10-2006, 11:22 AM
Hell Everyone!
Was hoping some of you could tell me what it means, or, how to read a chart when the querent and quesited are the same significators.
Three times in a row. when I created a chart this has happened.

Thanks!

11-10-2006, 12:45 PM
It indicates a situation where the querent and the quesited are intimately linked. Try using the almutems of the respective houses in order to get different significators.
Also try other approaches to the chart than looking to an aspect between significators. Maybe the significator's position by house/sign or its dignities or it changing signs will lead you to the right answer.

Try finding the inner logic of the chart.

Spica3
11-10-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm not really clear about your question. Do you mean they have the same planet as significator? Or do you mean that they have the same sign?

In horaries, there is always more than one significator for each side.

According to William Lilly:

The querent is the Ascendant, its ruler, and the Moon as co-significator.

The quesited is the house that the thing enquired after fits into, and that house's ruler. If the quesited is a fugitive or animal lost, then the Moon is also co-significator.

I tried looking to see if he said anything about both querent and quesited having the same significator, but there's just too much to sift through, and so far, I haven't noticed anything on this matter. He seemed to be more concerned about whether a question was "fit to be answered", and lists some conditions.

I would think to first look at the house of the quesited to see which planet should be tracked. Houses always come first, by way of their rulers.

Okay, let's say, Aries is on the Asc, so Mars is ruler, Moon co-significator. The quesited is about, say, an inheritance - 8th house, Mars ruler.

Since we've got the same planet for both, I would add in Pluto as co-ruler of quesited, just to 'un-even' things a bit. But I would still read both sides as per normal.

Any planet/s posited in the respective houses would also have significance. Or you could have one of the other planets more closely linked to one side or the other.

In our example, Venus could be in the first house, so that helps the querent more than the quesited. Or Venus could be squaring the Asc - not helpful. If Venus squares Mars, that probably means someone or something represented by Venus is giving both sides a hard time.

Then there's always the Moon to help break the deadlock too.

The Moon also fullfills another role - that of timer.

Hope this helps.

tmonk
11-13-2006, 12:51 AM
Thanks for The suggestions!
I'm crazy busy right now, but I'll give it a try when I've got a bit more time.

Moondance
02-08-2007, 12:25 AM
Radu, is your advice the same in all such situations? For instance, if someone asks about someone else's marriage( to a second husband.let's say), so L1 is querent (Venus), Lord 7 is Mars,the quesited, and Mars rules the radical second house so second husband is Mars also. What then? How do you determine the Almuten,anyway?