Cebrities' Adoption of Children in charts

[Shining Ray]

I was looking at Madonna's chart to see if the adoption can be shown in her natal chart, but I am not sure what to look for. Is adoption shown by the 11th house. Does the chart or transits show why there has been such controversy around the adoption.


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Madonna's Chart and Transits

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[Shining Ray]

If Sun/Leo/5th rule children in the chart, Madonna has Venus in Leo in the 11th house opposite her 5th house of children.

Maybe this is what represents the adoption in her chart:

Venus in Leo 11th
Venus rules 9th
Venus square Jupiter
Venus square Neptune

Possibly this indicates the connection of adopting a child abroad. With the Jupiter connections/9th house.

Madonna has her transiting Saturn in Leo/12th conjunct her Sun, here is the meaning of this transit in my prediction book.

When Saturn transits the 5th house, enters the sign Leo, or Aspects the Sun, you may feel more responsibility for children, or you may take on the responsibility of having another child.

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

Here is Angelina Jolie's chart who has also adopted children, she has her Sun in the 11th house.

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[Howl]

Idea: Madonna's 5th house includes Aqarius, and Angelina's includes Sagittarius. Could Aqua suggest a humanitarian, progressive approach to children, and Sagittarius suggest a link between children and foreign lands/travel?

Angelina has dispositor of her 5H, Jupiter, in 9H, travel and ideals - so perhaps children are connected with these for her. Angelina's first children wer adopted from overseas right? And the child that is biologically her own was born overseas? She also receives much attention for her multicultural adopted "brood" (Jupiter, ruler of 5H, in Aries...a trailbrazer :p)

Madonna has the first dispositor of her 5H, Saturn, in 4H, and her first children were biologically her own. She also gave birth later in life, and probably in her own country too, a much more conventional "Saturn" approach to children. Her other 5H dispositor, Uranus, is in the 12H in Leo. Leo definitely connects with children. Could 12H be both the orphanage from which he was adopted, and also the accusations of using fame (Leo) to adopt dishonestly (unlawfully)?

[Shining Ray]

Very good ideas howl :) I never thought of the 12th house being the child from the orphanage. Madonna has received more criticisms than Angelina for adopting children abroad. Maybe this is the Leo/fame Neptune/dishonesty accusations she has received.

[Frisiangal]

Shining Ray,
thank you for posting this as it is a topic that interests me.

In the asteroids section, I mentioned the effect of the asteroid David(a) in my personal life recently, so I was curious as to how this asteroid would be placed in Madonna's chart as referring to the adopted boy. Courtesy astro. com. places it on 19 degr. Virgo. Just look at the aspects it makes!! Square 4th house Saturn in Sagittarius of all signs, associated with 'foreign horizons', taking on the 'extra' responsibility for philanthropic reasons? As Madonna is not the natural mother but taking on this ' surrogate role', I was particularly interested in BML's role in all this. Coincidence that David(a) is at the apex of the yod between 8th house Black Moon Lilith in Aries sextile Chiron in Aquarius ? She isn't receiving the best acclaim for doing this, is she?
The on-going behind the scenes administration and transference of parenthood that few knew about *might* be a correlation with BML's transit through Virgo in her 1st house square tr. Pluto in her 4th house, and it was yet another correlation to find that transiting BML was conjunct sec. progr. Venus ( ruler 9th house in Taurus- literal earthly foreign horizons) when the news broke out of her surrogate motherhood.

Haven't looked at Jolie's chart yet:D .

F.

[Shining Ray]

I find this topic very interesting myself and wondered why nobody had posted on this especially with the media surrounding Madonna at the moment. With Asteroid david aspecting her Saturn in Sagittarius the ruler of her 5th house of children and the extra responsibility she has now taken on regarding children. This really does fit her. I would be interested to know what the Asteroid david means in astrology.

I added Angelina's chart because as far as I know she never received the media coverage that Madonna has received. But we are talking about Madonna here and whatever she does it always seems to stir up controversy. This is why I was wondering on what the comparisons were between their charts.

[Frisiangal]

Angelina Jolie:

Another natal 8th house BML, in Pisces at the apex of T-square with Sun-Neptune. Natal Neptune in 5th, associated with children, is ruler 9th house...foreign horizons again! With the Sun influence, Jolie may see herself as a 'parent' rather than 'being responsible for', as with Madonna. She didn't apparently seek the limelight either.

Interesting!

F.

[Shining Ray]

Wow look at transiting Uranus opposing her Natal Moon in Virgo. Mass Media surrounding her family and role as a mother. The criticisms she has received could be indicated by Virgo. The Moon rules the 11th house cusp. Uranus is natally in Leo in the 12th house. Uranus/Moon life as a parent is undergoing dramatic change. The personal and public image is altered.

[Frisiangal]

. I would be interested to know what the Asteroid david means in astrology.

This is BorX's reply to a post of mine, taken from the cosmic objects section.


Davida it's not commonly used, it's very minor and very few studied it, but that doesn't stop us astrologers for finding an influence on it, it's on the cosmos and it means something.

Davida it's an asteroids that reprezents lack of stability in affairs, gives frustation and causes instability in life, accidents and sometimes agressive tendicies.. Positive it can give good impresion and success, flexibility and seeking new aventures and challanges. Medical it reprezents problems to fluid system, weaken resistance, heart weaken, tension disorder, and arterial problems.



I read on another group recently that Davida is a particularly large asteroid, bigger than the major ones already used, so it is rather surprising that it has never reached major status itself. Maybe Madonna has now changed that :D.

F.

[unukalhai]

There is also an interesting bit of Saturn/Pluto going on in the chart.

Natally, she has a somewhat loose SA/PL=Node midpoint, and now there is a very tight transiting SA/PL = natal North Node midpoint going on. Her natal Node is 24Libra02, the current position of the SA/PL midpoint is 23Lib57, just a few arcmin away from her node. The transiting objects are in trine, with both thus sextiling her NN.

Consulting a midpoint book on SA/PL=Node, it is defined as "Suffering shared with others". Being that the transiting midpoint aspect is activating the similar natal aspect, a time is indicated for her to share the suffering of others.

The 12th definitly deals with orpaned or institutionalized people, and Saturn is bang on her natal 12th house Sun, indicating further activation of SA/PL=NO.

She also has the nodal axis transiting her 7th/1st house axis, which indicates a focus on one-on-one relationships and caring about the welfare of others. This transit teaches a person about the give-and-take energy in relationships, and how it must be expressed from both sides. It's a time when we learn how we can better relate to others, and tend to form relationships that teach us about being responsible and caring in our relationships with others. Maybe all those years of being a queen are catching up with her.

Uranus, the resonance increaser, opposing the Moon, shows her need to nurture and be a mother is being activated. Her Moon also feels some responsibility (Saturn) to be commited to another (Juno) as the Saturn/Juno midpoint is falling at the 12th degree of Virgo, the degree of her moon.

The controversy is to be expected, it's understandable why some people are a bit concerned by this, I think its obvious this will have a huge impact upon the child, for better or worse. I certainly wouldn't want my child being raised by a pop-star sex-icon. :P

[Shining Ray]

Indications for Adoption in the Natal Chart

Adopting parents are usually connections between LEO and AQUARIUS or LEO and PISCES. (I got this information from Maurice Fernandez)

Sun in AQ or Pisces
Sun in the 11th or 12th
Sun in tight aspects to Uranus or Neptune
Neptune or Uranus in the 5th
Aquarius or Pisces in the 5th
* * * * * * *

Children through your partner but not your own:

In any case, every issue with children will involve LEO/5th HOUSE/SUN

Mia Farrow :Serial adopter Mia Farrow had four children, and adopted 10 more from around the world. These children all had a variety of special needs - an asthmatic Vietnamese orphan, a polio victim abandoned at a Calcutta station, two are blind, one has cerebral palsy and another was born addicted to crack. Mia Farrow has the financial means to help these children, it's a very selfless thing to do, and she's essentially done it on her own.

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Michelle Pfeiffer: famously said she had decided to adopt because she had given up hope of meeting someone and starting a family, and adopted her daughter Claudia Rose in March 1993. Shortly afterwards she met her future husband, David E Kelley, creator of Ally McBeal. The couple went on to have a son of their own together.

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[Shining Ray]

Mia Farrow - Sun in Aquarius in 11th house. Leo cusp of 5th, ruler Sun aqu/11th No wonder she has adopted so many children.

Michelle Pfeiffer - Sun in 12th Ruler of 5th Mercury in 11th house. Sun opposed Neptune.

Madonna - Sun in 12th Venus in Leo 11th.

Angelina Jolie - Sun in 11th, Sun oppose Neptune. Neptune in the 5th.

[Frisiangal]

In cases of adoption there is no physical link between parent and child. It's therefore uncanny how often Black Moon Lilith as 'mother role' features in the charts you have selected:

Mia Farrow - BML approx. 9 degr. Libra conjunct Neptune and part of grand cross involving 9th house (foreign horizions again) Moon, and Saturn in Cancer, ruler 9th house.

Michelle Pfeiffer: BML approx. 7 degr. Aries trine Uranus, ruler 9th house, in Leo.

I wonder if the 9th house could also represent the legalities involved in adoption, which are obviously unnecessary in natural childbirth.

F.

[Shining Ray]

I would imagine the 9th/sag/jup connection must play a part in it for you have to go through legal proceedings to adopt a child. The 11th house being the adoptive house opposite the 5th house of children separate physically from you. Interesting what you have noted on the black moon Lilith. I have mine in Leo/12th at 15 degrees.

I might post my chart and britney's as an example of children from your partners previous relationship. I will have to look at Britney's chart in more detail to see if we have similarities.

I personally find this subject fascinating.

[Shining Ray]

Britney Spears

LOS ANGELES, Sept. -- Britney Spears' father confirmed the singer has given birth to her second child at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.
Jamie Spears told an Access Hollywood interview his daughter gave birth by Caesarean to a 6-pound, 11-ounce boy in the early hours of Tuesday.
"Thank you, we appreciate your concern. Everything is great," Jamie Spears said.
Spears and husband Kevin Federline had their first child together, Sean Preston, on Sept. 14, 2005. Federline has two other children from a previous marriage.

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I have one child and my partner has a child from a previous marriage. My son has a half sister.

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Britney's 11th cusp Leo, Sun in 3rd house sextile Moon in Aquarius 5th house. This possibly shows the connection of children outside of britney connected to her own children.

My chart I have Jupiter in Leo 11th opposite Venus in 5th house. The connection of my partners child to my son in 5th. The 11th house representing the child not physically mine.

Interestingly Britney had her first baby Sean the same day I had my child14/09/05. She was trying to steal the spotlight from me.:p

[AquariusMoon]

Interesting subject.

I've noticed that foreign adoptions have been on the rise ever since Pluto entered Sagittarius.

My brother and I were adopted, and we have nodal synastry with our mother. My mother's nodes were active during the adoption of each of us. I noticed the nodes, tr Saturn, Pluto and H12 were very active in both Angelina's and Madonna's charts.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/reflex.html If this thread is moving into conception, I found this article, someone who has done a study on conception and found a link between the natal postition of Sun and Moon and says the best time to conceive:

Eventually I found the astrological answer to this conception/contraception conundrum. There is an approximate two-hour period each lunar month (29.5 days) when the sun and moon will be the exact number of degrees apart as they were at each individual woman’s time of birth. It is within this two-hour time span that always and without exception ovulation will take place. This does NOT apply to women who have taken synthetic hormones, or have had an I.U.D. within a 3-6 month period. In order to calculate this exact two-hour time period, a woman’s precise time of birth must be known, as well as the day, month, year and place of birth. If the birth time is unknown it is still possible to calculate the ovulation time to within 24 hours and adding two days either side provides a foolproof means of contraception.

[kiwikid]

Hi :)

What would show in the adopted child's chart?

My father was adopted by his maternal uncle and his wife.

Details:
interfamily adoption, brother adopted his sisters 3rd child. [she ended up having 9 children]
[ironically, this brother and sister married their partners on the same day.]

Dad's adoptive father was his maternal uncle. [would this show in his 12th house?]
Adoptive mother was related to child thru her marriage, ie husband's nephew.
[would this show in her 11th house - [children not your own] or in her 7th house [nephew]?

They thought they were unable to have their own child, and adoptive father's mother was the one who instigated the whole thing to ensure there was a child to take over the family farm.
My father never knew until he was engaged to my mother, and had informed his adoptive father he was going to take up engineering not farming. They then told him about the adoption and why he was adopted. Although shattered by the revelation, he did take over the farm.

Dad was 3yrs 7mths when adoption papers legally signed 21May1919 between 9am and 3pm.
They eventually had their own child [nov 11 - another scorpio] 3yrs 6mths after adopting Dad.
Dad died on his adoptive father's birthday, 18th October. Dad was born 24th October.
? everything was predestined.

Dad and Mum also had 9 children, same as Dad's birth mother.
3's seem to be playing a big part.
Dad 3rd child and in 3rd year when adopted.
3yrs later when adoptive parents had own child.
9 children - multiple of 3.

Cheers, Marg

[Frisiangal]

Hi :)

Hi Marg,
I think we've met verbally elsewhere? :D

[QUOTE]
What would show in the adopted child's chart?

My father was adopted by his maternal uncle and his wife.

Details:
interfamily adoption, brother adopted his sisters 3rd child.

Dad's adoptive father was his maternal uncle. [would this show in his 12th house?]
Adoptive mother was related to child thru her marriage, ie husband's nephew.
[would this show in her 11th house - [children not your own] or in her 7th house [nephew]?
Dad was 3yrs 7mths when adoption papers legally signed 21May1919 between 9am and 3pm.


If the 11th house is the adoptive house as Shining Ray suggests, one would expect to see a link between that and the 3rd house/Gemini and/ or Mercury (relatives) of the child, don't you think? What is therefore very interesting is that your dad, born 24 October 1915, had a Sun-Mercury R. conjunction and his Black Moon Lilith was in Gemini!


3's seem to be playing a big part.
Dad 3rd child and in 3rd year when adopted.
3yrs later when adoptive parents had own child.
9 children - multiple of 3.


Plus the Mercury and Gemini influence;)


F.

[Shining Ray]

Here is what I have found for Adopted Children by Maurice Fernandez.

Classic signatures are:

Scorpio or 8th House Moon (sometimes Sun)
Pluto in the 4th
Pluto-Moon aspects
Pisces or 12th House Moon (sometimes Sun)
Neptune in the 4th
Neptune - Moon aspects
Pluto in the 8th House/12th House
* * * * * * *

[Shining Ray]

Nelson Rolihlahla Dalibhunga Mandela was born July 18, 1918, near Umtata in Transkei, on the Eastern Cape of South Africa, into the royal family of the Thembu. After his father, the principal councilor to the Acting Paramount Chief of Thembuland, died in 1927, young Rolihlahla became the Chief's foster son, and was groomed to become a ruling member of the tribe.


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In Nelson's chart he has his Scorpio Moon in the 12th house. Pisces rules the 4th house cusp and Neptune in Leo 8th could possibly be the indications of him being fostered.

Here is a link to adopted celebrities, and stars who have adopted:

http://celebrities.adoption.com

[kiwikid]

Hi Frisiangal - yes we do "cross nets" so to speak :)

If the 11th house is the adoptive house as Shining Ray suggests, one would expect to see a link between that and the 3rd house/Gemini and/ or Mercury (relatives) of the child, don't you think? What is therefore very interesting is that your dad, born 24 October 1915, had a Sun-Mercury R. conjunction and his Black Moon Lilith was in Gemini!

His 11H would be very active. As well as farming he was member and chairman of many local govt bodies - Power Board, 2 local councils, Plantation Board. Always making speechs and debating [3H/Gemini]. He invented a portable sheep dip [? Uranian] and co-designed his jetboat, had a real engineering kind of mind. Great piano player, like his birth mother. Heavily into gamesports - shooting ducks & fishing & boating. Very good batsman at cricket, also rugby teams in his youth.

On date of his adoption at noon, using that days planetary positions - [don't know his time of birth so can't use natal positions] it even shows the following:
T.Nept in Leo[fall] t.1H conj T.Asc Leo [0.30 orb]
T.Moon in Aquarius oppn T.Asc Leo [0.26 orb]
T.Chiron in Aries Trine T.Asc Leo [0.24 orb]
T.Nth Node in Sag Trine T.Asc Leo [2.02 orb]
T.Sun in Taurus conj T.MC in Tau [0.47 orb]

T.Venus in Cancer oppn midpoint Lilith/Vertex
T.Venus = MP Mars/Saturn - actions of separation by female persons; Death of female persons; Also of mother, blood relatives,. . .
T.Mars = MP Saturn/Uranus - sudden separating acts or actions.

You'd think it was his own chart reading!!!

I'm still rectifying his chart to get a birth time, and keep coming back to a Leo Asc. During the time of a Leo Asc [1.24am - 2.47am] in Sthn Lats, the MC covers 24.28 Taurus to 5.12 Gemini [he had two careers -farming and local Govt.]
His birth mother had a Leo Moon and his father had a Leo Sun and an Aquarian Moon.
At the time and date of Dad & Mum's marriage the T.MC/IC was Aquarius/Leo. Mum was a Leo Sun with a Leo/Virgo Moon.

This thread is really interesting. Michell Pieffer ?sp is one chart I'll follow up as she adopted a child thinking she wouldn't get one in marriage and then later she had her own. Very similar to Dad's adoption and will apply it to his adoptive mother's chart.

Cheers, Marg.

[Frisiangal]

Michell Pieffer ?sp is one chart I'll follow up as she adopted a child thinking she wouldn't get one in marriage and then later she had her own.

This happens so often, even a number of times within my acquaintance circle. Once the psychological pressure to have a child is off, nature is allowed to take its course...in general conceiving attempts as well.
One 'side effect' you read of now and then with adoptions is that when a child of blood tie IS born, the adopted child loses 'status', as it were, becoming a liability rather than a gift. The feelings might be different when adopting a 3rd world child because idealism plays more of a role than need. I know personally of a case that when the adopted child did something that did not meet with the adopted mother's approval, she disowned her! Such trauma for the young woman, who had enough psychological problems with feeling abandoned by her natural mother, let alone losing all contact with her adoptive one as well. I can't remember the chart data except for a heavy 4th house influence in Aquarius. I wasn't studying BML at the time, either.

F.

[Shining Ray]

With Michelle Pfeiffer she has a Venus square Saturn maybe she feared (Saturn) that she would never find love (Venus) and so decided to start a family by herself.

Frisiangal is right that when the pressure is off nature does seem to take it's course. I myself thought at one time I would never have children, because I tried for over two years with a previous partner. I met my new partner and fell pregnant very quickly which I was shocked at but pleasantly surprised.

[Shining Ray]

Children represented in the Natal Chart by Carol Rushman.

The fifth house cusp always represents the first child.

Often a woman's second child is more like her husband (the seventh house represents both the first husband and the second child.)

The ninth house represents the third child.

The eleventh house designates the fourth child.

The fifth child is represented by the first house.

The eleventh house for adopted children or stepchildren. Count around the wheel to every house for each successive child. The second adopted child or step child will be defined by the first house, the third by the third house, and so forth.

The ninth house is grandchildren.

[Draco]

I don't suppose anybody knows baby David's date of birth?

On the BBC News website, Madonna is quoted as saying 'I was just transfixed by him. But I didn't yet know I was going to adopt him. I was just drawn to him.'.

It would be interesting to look at the synastry between the two of them.

[Shining Ray]

David's birthday is the 24th September 2005

P.S Looking for this information I found a real spooky site predicting Madonna was going to be strangled by a religious man in a foreign country, which is England I suppose. Also it was indicated her death would be violent because she has Aries on the cusp of the 8th and Mars square Uranus. I suppose this could mean an unexpected violent attack or an unexpected accident.

Not much hope for me then with my Aries cusp and my homicide degree, and my to kill or be killed degrees in my chart.:68:

I am just joking by the way :60:

[Shining Ray]

Synastry Chart for Madonna and David her adopted son.

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David's Chart Below:

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Madonna's Chart Below:

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[Draco]

Thankyou for the information Shining Ray. I'll explore the charts.

Just a word house cusps and baby David. The fifth cusp concerns one's own children, as the house of (pro)creativity, it is the house of children generated from oneself.

Adoptive children are the eleventh cusp, as the fifth from the seventh. The seventh is the house of the generic, 'any other person', so the eleventh is appropriate for adoptive children, not the fifth. This is also the case for step children, the offspring of the partner (fifth from seventh).

[Shining Ray]

Pity there is no birth time for David it would have been interesting to see where the planets fall in his chart. The Moon opposed Pluto must represent the death of his Mother. Davids life has been very transformative so far his mother dying him going to the orphanage and being adopted by Madonna.

Enjoy examining the charts Draco.

[aquarius7000]

Hi there,

This is an interesting topic, and Madonna's chart is certainly an interesting one for astrological study in the light of this topic.

As regards adoption, I noted that she has Cancer (sign of motherhood) on her 11th house (step/adopted children), and its ruler Moon (signifies mother) in her 1st house (this is important to her) in a tight conjunction to Ceres (nurturing *others*), which in turn is tightly conjunct her Leo Asc (Leo=generosity & warmth), which shows that nurturing others (here children with Moon ruling her 11th) is a central theme of her life. Venus in 11th (wishes & desires, also step/adopted children) ruling her 9th house (foreigners) and her 2nd house (finances, also that what one values) only further corroborates the aforementioned. Saturn (natural ruler of 11th), ruler of Madonna's 5th house (children) sits in her 4th house (home and family) of Sag (rules foreigners again), whereas Moon (natural ruler of 4th) rules her 11th (adopted children - her hopes & desires), and so we have come a full circle.:D The above sentence probably also shows, why simply having her own children was not (fulfilling) enough for her. And, one thing seems quite sure, she did not do this to get media attention (IMO). In fact, with Aquarius on her 6th house, you could go as far as saying that this might be one of her ways of serving (6th house) mankind & society (Aquarius).

Personally, Madonna lost her mum (Moon), when she was just 5 yrs old, so perhaps with that Ceres-Moon-Asc conjunction: mothering others, this is one of the ways of her healing her own wound and the quintessential theme of her life. No wonder she is called *Madonna*.

Just some thoughts, which I thought might be interesting to share.

:)aquarius7000

[Shining Ray]

A very detailed analysis Aquarius, you won't see many of my posts now I deleted over a 1,000 of them lol. I am one of those over eager people who has to bring up multiple charts and find examples. I went through a phase of posting in big writing. Don't know why as it looks irritating to read. I was a little baby astrologer back then. Not long joined aww :D .

I have Cancer on the 11th, I have a step child. Although I hardly see the little girl, she is not raised with me. Interesting thoughts, I don't believe she did it for media attention either but being Madonna she will get it. Great astrological analysis :) .

[aquarius7000]

I have Cancer on the 11th, I have a step child. Although I hardly see the little girl, she is not raised with me. Interesting thoughts, I don't believe she did it for media attention either but being Madonna she will get it. Great astrological analysis :) .

Thanks for confirming that bit about Cancer on the 11th & adopted/step children from your own personal experience, Ray. Of course, that doesn't mean that everybody with Cancer on the 11th will foster 'foster' children; with some this config might play out in friendships or general societal issues, etc. A silly question perhaps, but you say that you hardly get to see that little girl - your step child; would you, by any chance have either Sat (obstruction/hindrance) in direct aspect to your Moon (ruler of your 11th) or Sat in the 11th itself? Just trying to explain myself that bit.

It's interesting though, as I have about 2 'decades' of my 11th house in Cancer (but Gem on the cusp), and a mutual reception between Saturn in Cancer in the 11th and Moon in Cap in the 5th (and both in a tight opp- grrrrr!:rolleyes:). I have this desire to adopt a foster child some day, too.

:)Aq7

[Shining Ray]

Of course cancer on 11th does not mean step children or most of Virgo rising's would have them lol. It's a distance thing really, and also I don't want to be the mother she has one, I am more of a friendly acquaintance, my little boy loves going to see his sister, but even for him it is rare. My partner only has once a fortnight visitation rights. This is what the little girls mother allows. I could never have her living with me, as I don't really know her it's a not a close relationship. My ruler of 11th is in 7th conjunct Mercury & sextile Venus, trine Jupiter in Leo 11th and trine Uranus and square Neptune. Maybe my Venus in 5th just kind of favours my own children :o I feel bad for saying that, but naturally I do.

[Shining Ray]

Here is the chart of George Lucas (Star Wars creator) to add to this thread he has adopted 3 children.

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by wikipedia - In 1969, Lucas married film editor Marcia Lou Griffin, who went on to win an Oscar for her editing work on the original (Episode IV) Star Wars film. They adopted a daughter, Amanda, in 1981, and divorced in 1984. Lucas has since adopted two more children: Katie, born in 1988, and Jett, born in 1993.

I was practicing my basics on his chart, because lately after studying for quite some time you lose track of the essentials, and I was learning how to use my astrological sentences.

I was looking at his Moon profile for step children because of the Aquarius/Leo axis. Moon in Aquarius needs to be innovative and create social change through his career/public life but there is also a need to be emotionally generous and benefit society through adopting and creating a warm environment for them (Jupiter/Leo/4th).

His way of benefiting society, and having a big heart aww. The Moon/Pluto aspect involved describes a need to transform, regenerate. He is also the chairman of an educational foundation, to stimulate children's passions and emphasizes well prepared teachers to improve learning.