About pregnacy..again!!!

[taurous16]

Well, this is a chart I made asking: Am I pregnant?? Saturn in 1st house I thought is a clear NO, but after reading for a while in aw, I realize that not all of astrologers use it for negative answers... Furthermore, Acs in libra is very fertile and 5th house is also fertile, with its ruler in there.....

[FleetingDasein]

I'm not that good at horary, but here's few things I noticed:

There's a few positive indications,
5th house ruler is in your house, so the "baby" is literally inside of you.
Saturn is applying to a square to Venus.
Saturn is exalted in Libra.

Then a few negative indications,
Saturn is not a good significator for a pregnancy: Aquarius (Saturn) is barren, but in a semi-fertile sign (Libra).
Saturn (the pregnancy) is via combusta, debilitated position.
Moon is about to change signs (a chart may be unsafe to judge if the Moon is in the last degrees of a sign)
Moon in the 12th house.
Saturn in the 1st usually means that the matter will not work you the way you want. Are you trying to have a baby?

You should take a pregnancy test just to be sure. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, so I'll let other more experienced members chime in. All the best.


/FD

[tikana]

actually i'd say probably you are

Lord of 5th house (saturn) is in your 1st house
Venus is sextiling Saturn
Venus ruling you
moon in void and is opposing jupiter
I wonder if it will be incomplete pregnancy
due to lack of fertile planets involved

interesting
good luck

T

[juicey J.]

I thought void course moon rendered a chart unreadable. :unsure:

[taurous16]

I know its an awful chart, with saturn in 1st and void course moon in late degrees, but I appreciate every one's try here...

[tikana]

Saturn beng in 1st is not what is killing the chart
it is everything else.
Saturn in 1st - you are pregnant possibly

moon void - Again not a problem but the problem is moon is in barren sign of virgo about to oppose jupiter ruler of children .. SO my call is probably baby wont hang on. PLUS saturn is via combusta - NOT a good sign

[taurous16]

And what about venus??? Its the Acs rule and makes aspects with both saturn and jupiter...

[tikana]

ehhhh Venus just sextiled Saturn - that is what i am talking about it is possible that you are pregnant since sextile already occured / perfected
Venus is not aspecting Jupiter... actually venus is void at the moment because she is not making any aspects. EVEN if you take Venus / Jupiter.... Venus has to change signs in order to square Jupiter AGAIN, not good due to the fact that venus is being rejected by jupiter since Jupiter is in oppose sign of Libra which is Aries.

[fensi88]

I agree with Tikana, this is YES answer. Strong testimony of pregnancy is ruler 5 in 1st house, even without aspect! But here we have aspect too! Because you ask "Am I pregnant"(not will I be pregnant) we look for separate aspect between 1st house ruler and 5 house ruler, here it is Ve and Sa and we found it in your chart, Ve separate from Sa for 4'.

[taurous16]

Oouchhh!!!!!! I so much wish I am..... I will take a test next Monday..and that's too far for me... What about all these bad signs Tikana mentions?????

[tikana]

Fensi

you do want an aspect between 1/5 just because 5 in 1st could be that the baby wants to be in the tummy. if L1 and moon not making any aspects with L5, i would say - the querent is not having enough of hanky panky

T

[taurous16]

I agree with Tikana, this is YES answer. Strong testimony of pregnancy is ruler 5 in 1st house, even without aspect! But here we have aspect too! Because you ask "Am I pregnant"(not will I be pregnant) we look for separate aspect between 1st house ruler and 5 house ruler, here it is Ve and Sa and we found it in your chart, Ve separate from Sa for 4'.


Well, if the answer is finally , yes, what I have to say is that the 4' separating aspect between rulers of 1h and 5 h, can be explained... It was the 4th day after conception that I asked the question..:cool:
I can tell that for sure, because I am in hormonical treatment and I know exactly when ovulation occured...:whistling:

[DiDi]

I see a yes also

asc ruler just passed 5th ruler and is placed in the asc

aquarius is not barren its semi barren

like the others here i worry about moon about to opp jupiter, and being so late i wonder if the chart is readable.

goodluck taurous16 I really hope you are or get pg soon.

just wondering also that saturn is rx right now... has it been in a stationary position and therefore situation wont change for a while?

[Neptune Rising]

Congratulations, lovely good news!

Only just had a chance to see this chart.

Interesting the Venus sextile Saturn, maybe the treatment you are on, helped by science, is shown by Aquaruis on the 5th cusp...?

I hope it goes well for you :)

NR

[BobZemco]

Well, this is a chart I made asking: Am I pregnant?? Saturn in 1st house I thought is a clear NO, but after reading for a while in aw, I realize that not all of astrologers use it for negative answers... Furthermore, Acs in libra is very fertile and 5th house is also fertile, with its ruler in there.....

It's hard to tell. There are conflicting indicators. Moon in 12th shows your fear, but Saturn ruling the 5th is in the Ascendant, and that is the most powerful indicator. I do see Mercury in an applying square to Saturn, but Mercury is not harmed in Capricorn, and Saturn receives Mercury. Venus sextiles Saturn and Venus receives Saturn, giving a positive boost. Saturn is Exalted, Direct in Motion and Occidental and in a Masculine Sign, plus Angular.

The 2nd indicator would be Ascendant Ruler Venus in aspect to any Angular Planet, in this case Saturn, and again we have Reception here. If Venus was in aspect to a Cadent Planet, we might say you have an illness that gives symptoms similar to pregnancy.

However, Venus is Cadent, which is indicator that you aren't pregnant, and Saturn does not receive Venus. Venus is in the Triplicity of Saturn, but in the Term of Mercury and Face of the Moon.

The Moon is Void of Course here, and it's next aspect is an opposition to Jupiter without Reception, which impedes the Moon, and an impeded Moon is an indicator of no pregnancy.

The Ascendant is a little early, even at 8°. I know there's some info out there that pins it at 3° (and 27° for a late Ascendant), but there is no textual support for that. From Ptolemy to Lily, all the texts say "in the early degrees or in the late degrees" without giving a specific degree.

This is a Night Chart and that makes Mercury the Triplicity Ruler of Air Signs, which would be both the 5th House and the Ascendant, and even though Mercury is received by Saturn, I'm inclined to say "No" you aren't pregnant.

[RayAustin]

Well, this is a chart I made asking: Am I pregnant?? Saturn in 1st house I thought is a clear NO, but after reading for a while in aw, I realize that not all of astrologers use it for negative answers... Furthermore, Acs in libra is very fertile and 5th house is also fertile, with its ruler in there.....

Are you pregnant ..

What seems to be overlooked is the 5th lord with impending retrograde which in my opinion destroys the question. In whole sign, the fifth house is afflicted by Sun combusting Mars, and Mars also trines the ascendant while afflicted.
Looks like a no.
Barren Moon is also conjunct fixed star Alkaid in the 12th, associated with "death and mourning", a pretty ominous indication to me.

@Bob .. you said adamantly out-of-sign aspects don't count and are not used in horary, and Moon does not oppose Jupiter in her current sign. So why is it relevant now?

[Neptune Rising]

Just realised I misread post number 12.. its not a definate yes yet, sorry folks! :whistling:

[Neptune Rising]

I can see the opportunity was there with Venus sextile Saturn, but the reception doesn't go both ways.

The Moon being void makes me think it's a no I'm afraid. Though I do wonder about the approaching trine to Sun ruler of the 11th, but, Sun is in detriment in Aquarius so thats not a good indicator of a positive answer.

I have the feeling this is a 'no' I'm afraid but keep positive!!

[taurous16]

What do you mean about post#12 NR??? I'm so confused here......I can't wait to take the test.....It is on Monday...

[BobZemco]

I can see the opportunity was there with Venus sextile Saturn, but the reception doesn't go both ways.

Reception doesn't have to be Mutual for pregnancy, but Bonatti specifically says that if the Ascendant Ruler is not received it is sign of not being pregnant. He also says if the Ascendant Ruler is Cadent it is a "No" (unless the Cadent Ascedant Ruler is received by a Planet in an Angle).

The Moon being void makes me think it's a no I'm afraid.

Bonatti (and Lily) don't mention the Void of Course Moon, but they make a lot of assumptions (so they don't continually repeat themselves), assuming that one already knows the signification of a Void of Course Moon. The Moon is also in Virgo, which is a Barren Sign (and the Moon is the Sect Ruler).

In fact, none of the Planets are in Fruitful Signs. Excepting the Moon, all the Planets are in "neutral" Signs with regard to children and pregnancy.

Though I do wonder about the approaching trine to Sun ruler of the 11th, but, Sun is in detriment in Aquarius so thats not a good indicator of a positive answer.

I don't think that really matters. This is a Night Chart (Sun Below Horizon) so the Moon is the Sect Ruler (or Time Ruler or whatever you want to call it).

For conception, the best time is Moon trine Sun (Reception isn't necessary); keep Planets out of the Ascendant (unless it is a Direct Venus or Jupiter); make sure the 6th and 8th House Rules are not in aspect with the Ascendant Ruler, Moon or 5th House Ruler, and if they are, then make sure the 6th and 8th House Rulers receive the Moon, Ascendant Ruler or 5th House Ruler (the Moon etc receiving the 6th or 8th House Rulers would be bad); and make sure the Ascendant Ruler is not impeded in the 9th month (use an ephemeris for that).

If you want a son, put as many of the Ascendant, Ascendant Ruler, Moon, Sect Ruler and 5th House Ruler in masculine Signs as you can. If you want a daughter, put as many of them in feminine Signs as you can.

[taurous16]

Well, the answer is NO.... I got my period today... :'(

[fensi88]

Althought Sa was ruler of 5 it seams Sa in 1st and that VOC Moon in 12 overweight that separate aspect between rulers. Next time I will have these in mind!:crying:
Neptun Rising and BobZemco congratulations for accurate prediction!

[DiDi]

he Moon is Void of Course here, and it's next aspect is an opposition to Jupiter without Reception, which impedes the Moon, and an impeded Moon is an indicator of no pregnancy

like bob said here.

having the 5th ruler inside asc is one of the most important clues but not the only aspect to look at so i see where this chart should have said no....

thinking of you and wishing you luck next time around.

[dr. farr]

Since this is now a known outcome question, what would the mechanical (non-interpretive) Manly P. Hall "fertility trend" evaluation method have indicated? (Whole sign format is used here)

5th house under Aquarius = -1
Sun (-1), Mars (-1) and Neptune (+1) posited in 5th house = net -1
8th house under Taurus = + 1
11th house under Leo = - 1
1st house under Libra = -1
Part of Conception @ 5 Libra = -1
Saturn posited in 1st house = -1
First trigonal night lord of Aquarius (5th house) = Mercury = + 1

Totals:
Favorable = 2
Unfavorable = 6
Net = - 4, which would be an unfavorable-for-pregnancy indication by the Hall fertility-trend evaluation method.
This proved to be accurate inn this case.

[RayAustin]

Althought Sa was ruler of 5 it seams Sa in 1st and that VOC Moon in 12 overweight that separate aspect between rulers. Next time I will have these in mind!:crying:
Neptun Rising and BobZemco congratulations for accurate prediction!

And Ray, lol.
The 5th ruler going retrograde was obviously a no go, but that's not something you're going to see by just looking at a chart. Other than that, the combust Mars trine to the ascendant was definitely a firm no, along with barren Moon in the 12th house conjunct an unfortunate fixed star.

[fensi88]

Yes, RayAustin, congratulatios to you too!

[starlink]

So sorry to hear you are not pregnant Tauro. You asked me if Î could have a look, but of course I saw your PM too late because I hardly have the time to look into the Forum. Even so, I just swear by a Moon VOC and "nothing will come of the question", so that alone would be my answer, even though a 5th house ruler in 1 would have been a good start. Hope next time will be more successfull! Dont give up hope!

Cheers, Starlink

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Well, the answer is NO.... I got my period today... :'(

If you're trying... try THIS:

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com/2008/09/astrologer-gets-you-pregnant.html

[taurous16]

Thank you all, for trying here!!! I already had the operation to have my cervical "fixed", so we are ready to try again in a few days....!!!!!
@ Matthew: I already have seen your blog...well, I have Sun opposition Moon, I guess/hope, this time my ovulation will be on the right time...