Age of marriage shown in the Natal Chart

[Libra20]

I read the following in an article and I was wondering if anyone else had heard of this or had any opinion on its accuracy. It worked for one of my brothers, but none of the other charts I looked at.

Frequently your age at marriage is plainly indicated right in your natal chart. Just look at the distance in zodiacal degrees between any two of the heavenly bodies symbolic of male and female, love and passion--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Often the number of degrees between two of these "love planets" will equate to your age at a major romance or at marriage.

I should caution that this method doesn't always work. Sometimes you'll need more sophisticated calculations.

Look first for the distance in degrees between Venus, the planet of love, and your natal Sun. Venus is usually close to the Sun by zodiacal degree, and is one of the most important marriage indicators.

Next look for the distances between any of the other four "love planets"--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Check out also the distance between any of these four planets and the Ascendant or Midheaven. Each degree of distance will equate roughly to a year of your life.
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[Howl]

Heheh, the closest I can get using this technique is about the age of 43. Given that in my case it could easily be "never" in terms of traditional marriage vows, 43 could also easily be right. I'll report back in about 20 years ;)

[Wave]

Hi,

there might be something about it. Once I was told by an astrologer that the love of my life I will meet at the age of 36 - and guess what - the distance between Sun and Venus is also 36 degrees!

Wave.

[Arian Maverick]

Look first for the distance in degrees between Venus, the planet of love, and your natal Sun. Venus is usually close to the Sun by zodiacal degree, and is one of the most important marriage indicators.

My natal Sun and Venus are cazami (conjunct with an orb less than 17'). Fortunately, it's not possible to marry before one's first birthday, at least in my country! :D

Arian Maverick

[lilllybelle]

There is a book by Rose Murray called "When Will You Marry" that discussed this technique along with other marriage timers. Also if you come up with a very big nunber like 83 or 46 you can divide it by 2 or 3 to arrive at your number. I love little techniques like this. Oddly enough my divorce age popped up in my chart. Maybe if I had never made the choice to marry the man that I did, I would of got married at 26 instead of getting a divorce at 26. L.

[Libra20]

Thanks for the book tip, Lillybelle (and thanks to everyone else for their input:) ). The article I was quoting was by Rose Murray. It summarized the highlights of the theory she presents in her book. If it is that common and easy to see in the birth chart, I was surprised that this theory isn't mentioned by other astrologers as well. Which is what made me curious for some more input.

I reread the article and paid closer attention to her point that the distance between the sun/moon/venus/mars and the ascendent should also be considered. Looking at the charts of my family again it was freaky close. (I'm not good with total accuracy counting the degrees, but just eyeballing it and counting it's pretty darn right on).

One brother's age of marriage is the distance between the Moon and the Ascendant.

My other brother's first marriage is the age that matches the distance between the Sun and Moon. His second marriage appears to be the distance between Venus and Mars, if I remember the age accurately.

My sister's age of marriage is a close to the distance from the descendant to Venus, but it is a degree or two off from her age. Still, it was close enough to give me pause.
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[Claire19]

I just dont give any validity to these methods. We must look at the transits to the 5th house for romance, the ruler of 5th and its aspects.Any planets in the houses 7th house for long term commitment, ruler and aspects. Venus and Mars signs and aspects for type of lover and circumstances where likely to meet etc.

Claire

[Manic_Monday]

Distance between Sun and Venus in my chart is 18 degrees, so I would be 18 years old. But I don't really believe this... I do not intend to get married until I'm at least 20 years old. *I'm still under age*
I agree with Claire.

[Howl]

REVELATION! I think I now understand what this method is based upon.

I've been looking at my progressed chart. In the year that I turn 42, there is a double conjunction of progressed Sun and progressed Venus on the exact degree of my natal Venus, all in the seventh house. If EVER I am going to come close to marriage, surely it's likely to be in the year I turn 42 :p. Given that the conjunction is on 1"Aqua, it might not be "marriage" in the write dress, religious format, but nor am I likely to want it to be :D

Using the method suggested I got "43", the distance between Sun-Venus.

I think this method is grounded upon the fact that in secondary progressions, many of your personal planets, other than the moon, move at *about* one degree a year (averaging out retrogrades). Therefore, if you have two personal planets "x" degrees apart, you're likely to have a "conjunction" of one progressed planet to the other natal in about "x" years. Actually, this may prove even more accurate with Solar Arc charts, which is another timing tool. In a solar arc chart, ALL planets move direct at *about* one degree a year, meaning that a conjunction between two planets of "x" degrees apart will happen almost reliably in "x" years.

Of course, the conjunction of progressed or solar arc personal planets (with eachother, or with natals) doesn't "mean" marriage, or a marriage like relationship. I would guess a conjunction Mars/Venus, or Sun/Venus as the most likely "marriage like" signifiers, especially if a natal planet or the descendant is involved. However, reality dictates that if like Arian, your personal planets conjunct at an age where you (or your parents!) are not really keen on marriage, it ain't gonna happen :p

So, what do you think? Have I revealed the logic behind what might otherwise appear as a kooky astrological technique? I am going to be unbearably proud of myself if I have :D

I do have faith in progressions to indicate timing of things such as relationships. I met someone very important to me when my progresed descendant hit natal Venus (and as a lesser signifier, progressed Moon conjunct Venus in 7H)

[freedomlover]

That would make me 45, and that's if you count from the Sun UP to Venus, otherwise,if you count from Venus UP to Sun, I guess it will be a few lifetimes from now. ;)

But I'm nearly 41, and I've already been married twice. I don't get it. However my twin flame is currently 45, and was told by the Spirit he was not to have married when he did for a brief period. Don't know if that has any bearing, I would think his would be in his chart.

Well, I went back and looked at his chart. There are 45 degrees between Venus and his Sun, counting UP to his sun from venus. Hmmm, that's odd - the number comes up to 45 on both of our charts, and he's currently 45, won't be 46 till next July.

File it under: "Things that make you go... HMMMM."

[Howl]

Freedom, have a look at your progressed and Solar Arc charts, and see if you can find any significant conjunctions for the years you married :) (particularly to natal planets)

[freedomlover]

I'm sorry, Howl, you're talking above my head.

I know my Progressed chart, but don't know how to read a Solar Arc, and it's not an individual option on AstroDienst.

Also, what do you mean by "any significant conjunction for the years you married"????

[Howl]

Excuse my excited natter :). The easiest place to start is on the astro.com option of "natal and progressed chart". That way you can see if any progressed planets (the green ones outside your chart) aspect any of your natal planets. For the purposes of looking at relationhsips, I guess I would look for conjunctions to your natal Venus, or involving your progressed Venus, first.

I think it's also useful to look at where your progressed descandant is. The chart only shows progressed ascendant (as a green AC), so you have to imagine where your progressed descendant is on the other side of the chart. Does it conjunct any natal planets in the year you married?

Solar arc is more difficult to read with Astro.com, because you have to use the "natal, progressions and solar arc combined" option. In this chart, "solar arc" planets are the blue ones. I understant less about how solar arc works, but I do know that my ex had solar arc Neptune conjunct natal Venus when we met. Suffice it to say that it "worked", in our case :p

I you see nothing in the progressed chart that looks like a "relationship" significator (such as a conjunction involving Venus, or a planet conjuncting your natal or progressed descendant), then I suggest looking at the second chart with solar arc planets.

(example, for the relationship I mentioned earlier, I had progressed descandant conjunct Venus at the time I met him, and he had solar arc Neptune conjunct natal venus at the same time)

I'll try and have a look at yours, if you like :) Would you mind sharing what years you married?

[freedomlover]

Thanks, Howl, if you have time, I'd appreciate being "walked through" this the first time. I'll see what I can do with it, too. I was married 12-26-82, the first time, and 12-23-86 the second time. I know, I know, I just can't get enough of those Christmas weddings. (hardeeharhar.)

I would also like to know if there's any chance of a relationship forming anytime in the near future. I think I'm ready for one again. (Or is this another post entirely?)

[Howl]

Ahah! What an interesting case you make :D

On the date of your first wedding, I see Progressed Mars separating from a conjunction with your natal first house Venus, by about 2 degrees. I forgot that I probably should have asked when you met or "got together with" your first husband, as this might actually be more accurately shown in your chart than the wedding date. The conjunction was exact around January 1981.

I see two things happening with Venus between 1982 and 1986, quite close together. First, your progressed ascendant conjuncts your natal Venus, becoming exact in March 1985. I'm not sure how to interpret that one, it's almost like relationships (Venus) are hitting you in the face (Ascendant) :D. Did something happen at that time? When did you meet your second husband? Venus hitting my descendant was a huge relationship jolt for me, perhaps when she hit the opposite angle for you, sparks flew ;)

Secondly, progressed Venus conjuncts your natal first house Moon around the end of May, 1985. These are two "feminine" significators, so I am doubting whether this was a significant time for meeting men :p. Freedom when were your daughters born? I notice Venus rules your fifth house, children. Or did something Venus-and-Moon like happen around May 1985?

Just for interest sake, I will mention that I also see solar arc Mars conjuncting your natal Venus around the end of May, 1977. I'm not so confident with solar arc, but did something Mars/Venusy happen around that time? Given that you turned 12 that year, it might not be of quite the same 'relationship' nature as the rest of this post.

Now, for what we really care about. The future! I have good news :D You currently have progressed Sun at 17" degrees Cappie, sneaking up on your first house natal Venus at 22" Cappie. The conjunction will be exact in August, 2011. I don't want you to think that you have to wait five years for rewarding relationships, but I DO think that prgressed Sun conjunct natal Venus heralds something very big and very lovely. Call me an optimist, but there you go :D

Some other dates of interest:

End of January, 2000 - Progressed Sun conjunct natal 1H Mars

Early May, 2000 - Progressed Mars conjunct natal 1H Moon

End of June, 2001 - Solar arc Mercury conjunct natal 1H Venus

Do these dates mean anything specific to you? :) I am only just beggining to flail about in the arts of timing interpretation, so any information about how these events worked for you is helping me learn through practice.

[Libra20]

Howl. Congrats!! I think you've nailed it. The progressions make sense. I've read an article by another astrologer that says "Progressed Venus conjunct Natal Sun (or vice versa, Progressed Sun conjunct Natal Venus) is usually the best indicator of a year when the universe throws open the doors and love walks into your life." However, this astrologer theorizes that this love isn't necessarily permanent.

Other people have commented on the distance technique not working for them in their chart, therefore deciding there isn't a basis for it. We all know that the planets are an influence and not eveything that is a potential ends up happening. The boards are full of "my planets is here and it affects me this way, how about you." According to this, I should have married years ago, but I didn't. But I've seen charts that it works for.

I was looking at my progressions. Unfortunately for me, I already had my progressed Venus conjunct both my natal Sun and my descendant years ago and that won't be happening again. I'll have to look for other indicators of marriage in my chart...

This other astrologer (Judi Thomases) says "Whenever the angles are involved with Venus or H7, there is a good chance of love appearing in one?s life, such as Progressed Ascendant/Descendant strongly aspecting Natal or Progressed Venus or ruler of H7, usually a positive signal for marriage, or Progressed MC strongly aspecting Natal or Progressed Venus or ruler of H7, another great time for love, even if the aspects are hard (because, after all, how hard can a Venus aspect be?). In fact, either of these would be wonderful to schedule a wedding around, as would Progressed ruler of H7 strongly aspecting Natal or Progressed Venus. Even a less obvious aspect, such as Ruler of H7 in a feasible aspect to an angle or a love-connected planet, might predispose to a marriage-type energy."
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[Howl]

Howl. Congrats!! I think you've nailed it. Why thankyou :D
We all know that the planets are an influence and not eveything that is a potential ends up happening. The boards are full of "my planets is here and it affects me this way, how about you." Why you Libran, you ;) That's a very valuable point; I agree. I also didn't "marry" when one of these types of progressions hit, thought I did fall head over heels in love for the one and only time in my life so far. And that's fine, there are many types of love, I have come to love people since, just not in the same dramatic, stomach dissolving fashion. I've also bypassed a double conjunction of transiting Chiron with Natal and transiting Venus in the 7H, which by Magi astrology is a HUGE indicator of relationship potential, but I saw nothing. I decided Chiron was intent on helping me heal my heart, rather than bringing me new overwhelming people to risk it on :p. I'd be interested to know if you found something else Venus related happened when your Venus progressions hit?

[Claire19]

You are right in that the aspects mentioned can indicate a long term relationship which is what the 7th house denotes. It can however be a long term friendship, legalities, open enemies or those opposing you in some way. It is where we strive for equality and compromise.... All one to one encounters such as your doctor, dentist, counsellor etc.

In Aquarius it is not condusive to marriage as such. Perhaps a de facto or living together or non conforming situation????. 42 is a time of great change and is called the "mid life crisis". You would need to look at other aspects to back up marriage. 5th house for the lover, romance social situation. 2nd house for the finances...... You have Sun semi square Venus natally and there will be a conjunction happening so you will feel some effects for sure. . My Sun is semi square Venus at 45 degrees, I didnt marry or have even a significant relationship at that age and I have Venus in Libra, sun conjunct 7th natally and several planets in Libra.

Claire

Good luck

Claire

[freedomlover]

Howl,

Istarted dating my first husband in January 1982. We got engaged in Sept. 1982. We separated December 29, 1983, and the divorce became final in April 1984. I actually met my second husband in September 1982, but we did not start dating until February 14, 1984. We broke up the first week in April, and got back together the first week in November, 1984.

I can't recall anything happening in my life March 1985, although around that time Mar/Apr - is when I got my first "real" job, and so gave me a bit of freedom for the first time in my life, since I had my own money. In May 1985, my second husband, who I was dating at the time, started dating someone else behind my back. We broke up. I was very upset at first, but then decided I kind of liked it. He got jealous when I started dating someone else, and wormed his way back in. (This happened again in May-Aug 1986).

My daughters were born 5-24-83, and 7-23-89, so nothing you mentioned around their birthdays.

May 1977. Hmmmm. 5th grade. school was getting ready to let out (1st week in June) May would have been at the end of a long torturous school year of unrequited love. I had an absolute obsession with a boy in my class the entire year. He thought I was the plague or something. Other than that, that year was actually one of the better years I had since my grandfather died in June 1975. My life in general went to hell in a handbasket after that, as he was the only stabilizing ,loving presence in my life.

Okay.... fast forward....

end of January 2000:

That was when I started being led by the Spirit into the New Age section of Barnes and Noble. (Behind the backs of all of the people in the Pentecostal Church I was in, to be sure.;))

Early May 2000:

This was the first time ever attended a meeting at a Pentecostal Tabernacle where there were miraculous manifestations : gold dust appearing on people, people's teeth fillings being changed to gold, etc. This experience, (and the ones since then) definitely opened my eyes to another realm of possibility.

late June 2001:

I began to form a close friendship with a woman I had known on a professional basis for the past few months. She was Pentecostal, but also believed in "Earth" religion - Wicca, Pagan, the like. She was also part American Indian. Much of what I learned from her helped form the basis of much of my current beleif system.

I finally had to end the relatioonship a few years later because she was of the belief that since she was the "teacher", and I the "student", I had to accept everything she said as the truth. She taught me to think for myself, but then got angry if thinking for myself included disagreeing with her! (Apparently I was to think for myself with everybody else - just not her;)) I didn't want to end the relationship, but I felt I had no other choice, as she had a powerful mind and could "project" her thoughts. I was to much of an untrained newbie to stand up to her. It's like there was a powerful force emanating from her, like "You WILL think how I want you to think." I really cared for her as a friend, and deeply regret having to sever the link. However, she isn't the only one that I've run across that I have sensed this about. I have come across several individuals who seemed to have a "mind control" quality about them.
(I included the info in this last paragraph because you said it was a Mercury aspect that came into play at this point in time.)

[AquariusMoon]

I read the following in an article and I was wondering if anyone else had heard of this or had any opinion on its accuracy. It worked for one of my brothers, but none of the other charts I looked at.

Frequently your age at marriage is plainly indicated right in your natal chart. Just look at the distance in zodiacal degrees between any two of the heavenly bodies symbolic of male and female, love and passion--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Often the number of degrees between two of these "love planets" will equate to your age at a major romance or at marriage.

Look first for the distance in degrees between Venus, the planet of love, and your natal Sun. Venus is usually close to the Sun by zodiacal degree, and is one of the most important marriage indicators.

Hehehe - my Venus is exactly 30 deg from my Sun, and I got married 6 days shy of my 30th b'day :D

The marriage was also showing in the progressions - pr Sun cj na Venus. Also, pr cusp of H7 was cj natal Venus.

[Andonis]

The distance method did not work for me either. I tried all combinations and the age of marriage was predicted wrong. have not tried progressions.

[ramsye]

Ok, so based on the distance formulla, this is what I got from my natal chart.

Don't know how to do progressions...Howl/any one want to take a look and see what you think?

natal sun to natal venus = 28 (didn't happen)
natal mars to natal sun = 41 (still to come)
natal venus to asc = 34
My chart:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q44/ramsye/ramsynatalchart.gif
Thanks!

[jagetoile]

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[Libra20]

Ramsye,

The distance didn't work for me, but it did for the rest of my siblings. The age that would correlate with the distance between the ascendant and Venus might be a potential for you. It's just in a few years, so if you aren't involved, keep an eye open :)

I did pull up your progressed chart. You mention not knowing how to do progressions. Just go to the extended chart selection on astro.com and choose natal and progressed chart from the pull down menu. When you have the chart, click to get the additional tables (upper right hand corner). The last table will show you the aspects between your progressed and natal charts.

According to the other article mentioned in this thread, a great time for love to come into your life is when your progressed Sun is conjunct your natal Venus. You've got that right now and it looks like it will be active for the next few years. You've also got progressed Venus conjunct your natal Ascendant. How has romance been for you lately?
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[ramsye]

Libra20, thank you for telling me about the progressed chart option on astro.com.

On the natal chart info: I made an error. Dist. between asc and venus: is actually 37. The Dist. between MC and the Sun was actually 34. :)

Romance has not been good lately. I just broke up with my ex-fiancee a month a half ago (around the lunar eclipse). But am recovering slowly and surely and actually going out and meeting people and being social.

So my progressed chart does seem to indicate possibilities ...Yay for that!

How do i find out when the conjuction between my natal venus and progressed sun ends?

[Libra20]

Sorry to hear about the break-up. If I were not still a newbie, I'd look for indications of it in your chart. They must be there. Good to hear that you are getting out. That's a good start. I hope your progressions trigger new love and happiness.

Dunno the end point, but it goes on for a few years it looks like. That is what I don't get about progressions. They seem to move sooooo slowly.....
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[Claire19]

First of all, the transitting nodes are not valid in my opinion and you wont find anything on them in textbooks that is accurate. Our nodes are just placements and are very personal stemming from our past life experiences.. Is this the second marriage for Britney Spears or the first?? There is no indication of marriage as a committed relationship showing. Rather it is a sham and a non-marriage by the aspects. Were one or two children born out of wedlock? One at least was a surprise or a shock to her and she rather treats them as possessions. Moon in the 5th means a female child or an Aquarian maybe. Progressions mean nothing unless there are the same or similar aspects in the natal chart, same for transits......We cannot experience what is not in the natal chart potential......

I cant comment more until I know which "marriage" this shows. The first one that lasted 55 days or the current one.

Claire

[Claire19]

The ruler of her 5th house Uranus conjunct Mercury and the Sun shows possibility of three children, quite close together and at least one is a Sagittarian type and at least one will be a boy.

Claire

[Claire19]

I am afraid that someone has made up the distance between the planets things for marriage. Astrology works on aspects not just number of degrees away. If the 7th house is not involved there will not be a marriage regardless of where Venus is or what it is doing or how far away it is from any point you care to name. It is a shame that some do not stick to the basic principles of astrology which are unchanging and are not subject to being cast aside in favour of some new ideas posed from people who are not experienced. It has been proven to be a nonsense theory so can we let it go???

Claire

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[Claire19]

If this chart is Britney's second marriage it is also a sham and more than likely will not last. There is some deception or illusion about it. Perhaps they are not really formally married or were on drugs or in some kind of abnormal state. I dont see any aspects for a committed relationship beginning in that September 2004 chart. Strong possibility that a child or maybe two are born out of wedlock as well or the paternity is not as it may seem. Was this marriage carried out in secret???? Forgive my ignorance as I dont know anything about her and not of the age to be interested. However the chart's aspects are interesting as an exercise.

She has received bad press about her handling of her children and that is shown in the the ruler of the MC her public image and reputation posited in the 5th house of children and the Moon there for motherhood issues. She has a Neptune 3 square Mars 12 transit to her natal position which does not bode well for the 7th as Mars is ruler there as you say..

Claire...

[Claire19]

Wow!! Thanks for the story, boy does that act out the aspects and then some!!!. Incredible story and only in America I have to say. Any man that hooks ups with such as she even briefly will always gain through the publicity I imagine and could have been the primary motivation after all.

I shudder to think how her children will fare....... .

As for Michael Jackson he is strange and not just sometimes. How did he manage to turn from a negro into a white white man? Did he have his DNA messed with?? It may have messed him up pretty good as well. They live in a rarified world these performers which ordinary folk cant begin to relate to. As for Lisa Marie Presley marrying him, well she was looking for new experiences and she can afford to indulge her whims and fantasies. Too much time and money can be very dangerous.

Claire

[Radu]

there might be something about it. Once I was told by an astrologer that the love of my life I will meet at the age of 36 - and guess what - the distance between Sun and Venus is also 36 degrees!

Well I could tell that the distance between my Sun and my Venus is 26 degrees and I met my wife when I was 26 years old ! So it works !

[lilllybelle]

Yeah, and I think it works because of what Howl was saying about some progressed planets moving about a degree a year. Smart thinking Howl!

[Ihatelawschool]

the distance btwn my sun and venus is a little less than 21 degrees, and I dated my ex bf when I was 20. (Sun is at 23 degrees Leo and Venus is at 2 degrees Leo). At the time of the relationship, my progressed ascendant (3 degrees Leo) was conjunct my sun! So freakin odd.

[Claire19]

Dating, romance and sex belong to the 5th house and the planets there in or ruling plus the Sun. Some are confusing meeting partners with the marriage aspects.

This age of marriage with Sun and Venus distance theory does not work unless the 7th is affected natally by Sun Venus and backed up with transits and progressions. Even a relevant aspect such as conjunction, semi square, semi sextile has to have back up. If it seems to work for several it is a co- incidence and doesnt work for thousands and I would suggest millions then it is not a valid principle.

Claire

[Claire19]

I wonder what was hitting your 5th house too? Progressed ascendant by itself is not valid unless your sun natally aspects your ascendant. You may have appeared more Leonine in appearance with different hairstyle perhaps more full like a mane?? What else did change with your appearance??? Look to see what else was happening with Venus as well. I would say that most people are dating at the age of 20 if not already in a relationship.

Claire

[Claire19]

It is my belief that Michael Jackson has a Leo ascendant and the youthful syndrome is because of his Virgo Sun. With Aquarius in the 7th it fits as Lisa Marie is an Aquarian and also the strange unconventional partnerships he undoubtedly attracts. Did you see the latest pic with womans sunhat and high heel pumps with jeans??? He really wants to be a white woman and he largely has succeeded in my opinion. Sagittarius on 5th with Pluto transitting indicates world wide press on his behavoiur with his children, even to putting the baby at risk, Pluto. The fact that one mother is a blue eyed blonde woman is further proof he doesnt want negro children. I dont feel he is violent or abusive in nature but that is only my limited view.

I might look at his chart mmmmm....

Claire

[franklin taylor]

Hey Libra 20,
Its really close for me. The distance of my natal Venus from my Sun is between 22 and 23 degrees and I was married at 22.33 years roughly if rounding each number you'd get 23, but breaking the minutes it is 22 degrees and 55 minutes.
Take care
Franklin

[Libra20]

Franklin - It still amazes me when this is accurate. It doesn't always work, but when it does, it is so spot on!... Trippy.
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[Claire19]

The reason you married at 22 or 23 is due to other influences not the distance from Venus to the Sun natally. What was transitting your 7th and where is your Sun or Venus natally??? It is mere co-incidence. A basic valid principle of astrology has to be true for everyone and everything.

Getting weary of this.

[Claire19]

Once again who doesnt date and more likely marry in their twenties????

You look at charts where Venus and the Sun are say forty five degrees apart and see how many are dating and marrying at 45???? Not as many as with the lesser distance I would guarantee.

[EvilPixyScorp]

I'm guessing mine will be 35.

Venus/Mars distance, Sun/Venus/Uranus distance, SA Moon conj. IC, PR. Moon conj. NN in 5th. = all 35
Or it could be a childbirth..hmm...

My sister got engaged this month.
Her Pr. Mars is conj. N. Venus @ 28 Scorpio in 1st.
Pr. Venus in Cap, in 2nd, trines N. Moon in 10th.
Pr. Sun is 2 degrees from joining N. Venus - Opposite Pr. Jupiter in 7th exactly.
The fiance has a stubborn, Grand Earth Trine chart.
She's only staying with him because they are in multiple
financial contracts, not love.

Natal Jup. in 7th @ 29 Taurus shows her many "false alarm" engagements.

[VENUS]

how funny this technique, mine came out 19, and 20 and i was engaged for those two years when i was that age. jan 26 1983 11:55pm queens, ny. i think it really works.
ive also noticed when you have transiting jupiter in your sun sign alot of people tend to get married.

[Brooklyn Dave]

This really made me go HMM. I am single--always have been--and guess I'll probably remain so. MY Sun and Venus are close to my IC and about 17 degrees from each other. Mars and Venus are about 29/30 degrees from each other and Sun/Moon make a wide trine.

[Lynns]

My sun - venus are 5 degrees away.. how do I work that out? :S

[cstarz]

HI There
Im perplexed and dissappointed...Im 42 and have never been married and Im a mother...the didtance between my sun and Venus is 38 degrees the distance between my mars and venus is 35 degrees much farthur for the ascendant in both cases
For sun and moon its 120 degrees! I have the sun trine the moon from Libra to Aquarius
THe closest planets to my ascendant is the moon at 5 degrees Libra...from the 12th house and Neptune is below the ascendant at 18 degrees in the first but my ascendant is at 23 degrees of Libra and Spicca is smack dab on top of it...what that means I dont know Ill be 43 in Feb and its not happened yet....

[23]

The distance between my sun and venus is 36 degrees - not right.

Sun-Moon - beyond human life!
Sun-Mars - ditto
Moon-Mars - ditto
Venus - Mars - ditto
Moon-Venus - 65 years - wrong, maybe I'll get married at 65 again? Touch wood that my current one stays that long

Sun-MC - 16 years - wrong
Sun-IC - beyond human life
Venus-MC - 20 years - wrong
Venus -IC beyond human life
Mars-IC - 45 years - wrong (see for Moon-Venus)
Mars - MC - beyond human life
Moon- MC - ditto
Moon-IC- ditto

It doesn't work for me :(

[DeeplyInLove]

Hehehe - my Venus is exactly 30 deg from my Sun, and I got married 6 days shy of my 30th b'day :D

The marriage was also showing in the progressions - pr Sun cj na Venus. Also, pr cusp of H7 was cj natal Venus.

I'm having a very hard time learning how to calculate this!

Please help!!!

This is what I came up with.... please let me know if my calculations are accurate.....

Example 1(female)

Sun 18 degrees
Venus 7 degrees

Means this person will marry when they are 25????

Example 2 (male)

Sun 13 degrees
Venus 16 degrees

Means this person will marry when they are 29????

PLEASE HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND THIS THANK YOU ALL SOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

-DeeplyInLove

[Claire19]

This theory with the Venus and the Sun is not valid, someone has made it all up. If anyone marries on the the degree it is only co-incidence. It doesnt work for millions of others so it is not a principle of astrology.

Claire

[Claire19]

Also Venus is always close to the Sun so does that mean no one marries in later life. Some have Venus conjunct Sun exact degree. What would that mean??? We must look at 7th house, Venus, and many other things to determine age of marriage.


Claire

[Radu]

This theory with the Venus and the Sun is not valid, someone has made it all up. If anyone marries on the the degree it is only co-incidence. It doesnt work for millions of others so it is not a principle of astrology.
Well, astrology isn't working that way. It has many of ways to express something. In fact all life situations are different, because the real events happen beyond what eyes can see, in the subtler universe. One cannot compare two marriages, as they are different: some people marry because of love, others because of social reasons, of so many other reasons. Also, you cannot compare someone's love with another one's. This is why astrology shows different things for what we think that is the same event.

To answer your post directly - there aren't rules in astrology to work for millions of people. Expect variations, that put your creativity at trial.

[Belgianmoonguy]

Venus @ 18° Taurus, Sun @ 3° Cancer => 45°, at 45 year
This wouldn't surprise me at all, cause i'm not the marrying kind, and the serious relationships i had add to 2 (and they were short lived)

I think indeed one should consider other factors
Venus, 7th house, planets in it, where are the ruler(s) situated and which aspects do they make and may be Vertex and Sun/ Moon midpoint, Venus/ Mars midpoint and (Eros/ Psyche midpoint)?

Why ruler(s), cause i always use double rulers for Scorpio/ Aquarius & Pisces... As i have Pisces DC, i use Jupiter as well as Neptune as ruler for my 7th house

[Claire19]

Right on about looking at 7th house, Venus, rulers etc. I agree that the Vertex can indicate fated contacts especialy as it always falls between 5th and 8th houses, also others planets on North Node.

I have Sun Leo and Venus Libra at 46 degrees apart and no marriage for me at that age nor even considering it. Had several opportunities because of my Libra Stellium etc but never wanted to nor have children. Saturn Leo 5th.
Virgo on the descendant, 7th house, probably as well contributed. Chiron conjunct Venus, wounded by love and Neptune conjunct Venus conjunct Mars, great disillusionment and disappointment, attracting the weak and addicted and those with sex problems.

Is it any wonder that singledom is so attractive!!!

Cheers
Claire

[Claire19]

THere are basic principles of astrology which are the foundations which work for everyone but with variations of course. As a principle Sun distance from Venus in the natal chart is not indicative of the event of partnerships of any sort. This is what I was trying to convey.

Claire

[Belgianmoonguy]

Right on about looking at 7th house, Venus, rulers etc. I agree that the Vertex can indicate fated contacts especialy as it always falls between 5th and 8th houses, also others planets on North Node.

I have Sun Leo and Venus Libra at 46 degrees apart and no marriage for me at that age nor even considering it. Had several opportunities because of my Libra Stellium etc but never wanted to nor have children. Saturn Leo 5th.
Virgo on the descendant, 7th house, probably as well contributed. Chiron conjunct Venus, wounded by love and Neptune conjunct Venus conjunct Mars, great disillusionment and disappointment, attracting the weak and addicted and those with sex problems.

Is it any wonder that singledom is so attractive!!!

Cheers
Claire

My virgo Moon just feels the same way about it...
With my Sun opposed to Neptune (ruler 7/(8 also in placidus)), i feel like i'm not myself (Sun) while in a relationship (Neptune, ruler of 7)... I act like a puppy dog (in dutch pantoffelheld, but don't know how to translate it), while when i'm single or having some flirts, i seem independent and strong...
It's always an extreme attitude with me
And what makes it even harder, someone can do something spontaneously, and because of that i loose intrest... That something can be a detail...
I'm so picky...

[tikana]

Okay i have heard of this
and I have issues as usual

how many people were born that day?
TOO MANY

how many people got marrried on the same day?
Not that many

Any questions?

my friend who was born 2 hours later than me is already married and has 4 kids or something. He got married in 1999.. I got married in 2001.

naw, it is too simple!

Wide awake
Tik

[tikana]

Well I could tell that the distance between my Sun and my Venus is 26 degrees and I met my wife when I was 26 years old ! So it works !


Radu, but how many people were born on your birthday? did all of them meet the one when they were 26?

Tik

[Libra20]

Tik,

Even the woman who came up with this theory says it doesn't always work, but it does often enough to have some validity. I tested it with my 3 siblings who have a total of 4 marriages between them. 3 of the 4 marriages were either the exact age or within one year. The 4th marriage was within 2 years. As for myself, it wasn't valid. However, with how close it was for the rest of my family, I think that for some people, it does work.
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[tikana]

Libra

I am not being negative or criticalabout it. when people look at astrology seriously, they want to be able to predict something like 90% accuracy.

There are astrologers who use space garbage that our shuttles and sattilites leave.

you got my point, i hope

Tik

[Libra20]

Well, Tik, you still haven't told me when I am getting married :p
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[GEMINI78]

This method works, but I'm having a problem calculating the distance between some people charts who have the SAME Sun and Venus signs. How would I count the distances ? or do I use the second method?
Example Sun 4.26 Scorpio Venus 19.46 Scorpio

[4leafclovah]

This method has worked with me before(I look at both degrees and minutes.) One man I met was an Aries, foreign, and 36 years old. My venus is 0.36 Aries in the 9th! Another guy I met was younger than me ( 28 to be exact) and I met him at my work. At the time I met him T. Venus was conjunct my Mercury in the 6th at 10.28. My Venus and Mars are 32.8 degrees apart and right now I am 33 and have a possible romance brewing, so we will see what happens...

[Jilly]

Ok, please would someone work out my date of marriage for me?

I have Moon in Aries at 22.08.20 in 11 house direct
I have Venus in Sagg at 29.45.03 in 7 house direct

[tikana]

I will never ever get married (Aquarius) maybe if someone hold a gun at me (Capricorn) :o

But I do like the thread. Interesting.

Still, if I looked right I would be 25. :)

Okay lemme pull my cannon out!@

look this way.. if you dont want to get married, no one is forcing you not even your natal chart!

Tik

[Claire19]

Ok, please would someone work out my date of marriage for me?

I have Moon in Aries at 22.08.20 in 11 house direct
I have Venus in Sagg at 29.45.03 in 7 house direct

11th house has nothing to do with marriage. It belongs to Aquarius Uranus and could be somewhat anti marriage.:) It is the house of science, technologies, humanitarian groups, hopes and the brotherhood or sisterhood.

Now when a transit comes along to hit your Venus in Sag that is when marriage is possible. NOw Pluto is hovering around your Venus so if you have any aspects to those two planets in your natal chart this could be significant. Dont forget the 7th is many other things besides marriage.
The fourth house can signify what sort of family you have with a partner and they may show more there.

Where is your Jupiter and what is it doing? I would say you may marry someone met at college, overseas, in a religious context or connected to the law or someone interested in the universal Truth.

[Effie]

Guys, according to this method, I will get married at 48 years old -please tell me: what man will want me then right on menopause?

Sometimes, I do not like astrology with all these little methods at all! If this is true, then my initial understanding about my Venus-Saturn conjunction is very true: I will die alone, period! And if astrology never lies...

Oh man....

[AquariusT]

Dating, romance and sex belong to the 5th house and the planets there in or ruling plus the Sun. Some are confusing meeting partners with the marriage aspects.

This age of marriage with Sun and Venus distance theory does not work unless the 7th is affected natally by Sun Venus and backed up with transits and progressions. Even a relevant aspect such as conjunction, semi square, semi sextile has to have back up. If it seems to work for several it is a co- incidence and doesnt work for thousands and I would suggest millions then it is not a valid principle.

Claire

I agree. Well said Claire!

[Polo]

I agree with Claire19. If it's only reliably half the time, I wouldn't find it reliable at all.
I would look more at transits, solar arcs, solar returns, and or/progressions.
Ahhh, if only there were one.

[SagiCap]

howl,
early may 2000:

This was the first time ever attended a meeting at a pentecostal tabernacle where there were miraculous manifestations : Gold dust appearing on people, people's teeth fillings being changed to gold, etc. This experience, (and the ones since then) definitely opened my eyes to another realm of possibility.


wow!!!!!!!!

[SagiCap]

Guys, according to this method, I will get married at 48 years old -please tell me: what man will want me then right on menopause?

Sometimes, I do not like astrology with all these little methods at all! If this is true, then my initial understanding about my Venus-Saturn conjunction is very true: I will die alone, period! And if astrology never lies...

Oh man....

Oh, I hear you, Effie! I just found out today I will have only my one marriage. I'm now divorced. That marriage was the worst possible thing to ever happen to me. And now...I only get one chance at it??? We shall see...

[astrologer50]

I agree with Claire19. If it's only reliably half the time, I wouldn't find it reliable at all.
I would look more at transits, solar arcs, solar returns, and or/progressions.
Ahhh, if only there were one.

It's all interesting people's views here but I feel that no 'one' method is 100% I think it has to be backed up with another method ie: solar arcs, progressions

Freedomlover
I know my Progressed chart, but don't know how to read a Solar Arc, and it's not an individual option on AstroDienst.

You can get progressed, solar arc and natal in a tri wheel from astro....:innocent:

Howl
Solar arc is more difficult to read with Astro.com, because you have to use the "natal, progressions and solar arc combined" option. In this chart, "solar arc" planets are the blue ones. I understant less about how solar arc works, but I do know that my ex had solar arc Neptune conjunct natal Venus when we met. Suffice it to say that it "worked", in our case :p

Solar arcs are the MOST easiest of things to work with. Just move planets and Angles 1' for each your of your life:whistling:

Can't see anyone mentioning N Node, Juno or Vetex much when anticipating dates/times of marriage (or otherwise)

Claire,
Dating, romance and sex belong to the 5th house and the planets there in or ruling plus the Sun. Some are confusing meeting partners with the marriage aspects.

Being a modern astrologer that uses Equal house system the 8th house to me is sex and conception not 5th. That's romance, children, recreational, creativity matters....

Claire has all the points covered, including 7th house analysis and aspects from moon, sun, venus and mars.....

Here's some interesting links
member called Miss Saturn has a book/theory on how many marriages and children you might have on this thread…
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013)
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ (http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ)

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/ (http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/)

[astrologer50]

Some further titbits or links worth researching then...

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/ (http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/)

Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading-----
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Start with the 7th House as the 1st marriage and go counterclockwise around the wheel, skipping every other house, to see all other marriages. To find out more about your first marriage partner, turn your horoscope wheel upside down so that the Seventh House is on the left side, where the First house is normally located. Then, Re-number the houses. House number 7 becomes house 1, the 8th house becomes house 2, and so on. Now read that chart as if it were the horoscope of your marriage partner.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm)

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255)

[Miss Venus]

Oh wow, this is interesting!

I'm not sure if i totally go for it... (fate vs free will) however, if I upload my chart, would someone be able to see my 'age' of marriage please?? :innocent:

[Lions215]

This worked with my Venus and Neptune.None of the other planets.Though I'm not surprised it worked with Neptune because I had the Moon conjuction my Mercury/Neptune conjunction at the time I had fallen head over heels with my husband.

[babarobot]

I could only get one age where marriage is actually possible and that's 23. All the other were too young. According to Four Pillars, Vedic, and Western astrology I'm supposed to marry young.
The big test of all these marriage theories to me will be next November- I'll have my progressed moon- sun conjunction on November 8th. The same date given to me through Four Pillars astrology for the day I'll either meet who I marry or the period of time in which I am most likely to marry.
Considering I'm currently single and I'm not exactly the type to want to rush to the altar the you're going be married in 1-3 years seems more than a little unlikely to me.

[BOOGY99]

well you would of thought i would of got married this year 09
i have progressed sun and asc conj my natal venus in libra
prog moon has gone into my 7th house, and transiting jupiter will trine my natal venus.

no marriage plans yet lol

but then again, we are just happy as we are x

[SagiCap]

well you would of thought i would of got married this year 09
i have progressed sun and asc conj my natal venus in libra
prog moon has gone into my 7th house, and transiting jupiter will trine my natal venus.

no marriage plans yet lol

but then again, we are just happy as we are x

Well, you still have 3 months and there's always Vegas. LOL :)

[the_virgo]

what is my age of marriage?
Here is the link of my birth Chart.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw&nhor=1&cid=lxhfileO2iWHM-u1251541035

[MMG23]

Worked perfectly for me; I met my future husband at 21, with 21 degrees between my sun and venus. His however is 40 degrees.... :(

[tikana]

so what if sun and venus is conjuncting .... as soonas you are born you get married?!

[Claire19]

How do you calculate all this to come to an answer???:unsure: Seriously it is not a theory to be used and if it doesnt always work then it is not valid. There must have been other indications for your brother I am sure.

Seriously though a transit through the 7th is the indicator of marriage. Sometimes the fourth is involved also for setting up home. Multiple marriages or long term relations can be seen in this way. I for instance did not marry at 2 years, nor at 22 years or 45 years using your theories. lol.

[Claire19]

so what if sun and venus is conjuncting .... as soonas you are born you get married?!
Yes :biggrin: Again the theory is not at all valid. A basic principle of astrology has to work for everyone and every time. What if you have Sun conjunct Moon, Venus conjunct Mars and Venus conjunct the Sun.........many do...

[Catatonia]

You guys need to understand that a very basic idea like Sun-Venus, Sun-7th house ruler cooker cutter technique will NOT work.

Check your chart right now. Is there a NATAL Sun-Venus conjunction, if so, which houses does it rule?

The natal always comes first and if there is no connection in the natal, then your predictions may fall short of reality.

The same concept is applied to the 7th house ruler.

Catatonia

[tikana]

Yes :biggrin: Again the theory is not at all valid. A basic principle of astrology has to work for everyone and every time. What if you have Sun conjunct Moon, Venus conjunct Mars and Venus conjunct the Sun.........many do...


imagine if sun and venus are in square or oppositon or a trine or a sextile!

ehh sorry you will marry at 90 years old to a bingo player.. make sure he has pennies stashed up... you will get married right after you retire ...

i wont even bring up 180 or 120 age people

[astrologer50]

imagine if sun and venus are in square or oppositon or a trine or a sextile!

ehh sorry you will marry at 90 years old to a bingo player.. make sure he has pennies stashed up... you will get married right after you retire ...

i wont even bring up 180 or 120 age people

Venus can never be more than one sign away from your sun and therefore will never form an opposition:whistling: :whistling:

[tikana]

Venus can never be more than one sign away from your sun and therefore will never form an opposition:whistling: :whistling:


wow... someone reads and knows astrology! good catch!
happy halloween!

[tikana]

My Sun and Venus are separated by about 42 degrees, and I am about to marry.

I just don't know who. :biggrin:


well thenn you have to write an ad

dear my lost love soulmate
my sun/venus natally is 42 degrees apart, according to astrology i am supposed to get married... Are you the one for me? Here is how you find out... go to astro.com and fill out your natal chart. then take Sun degree and sign and Venus sign and degree and see the degree difference... if yours meet your age ... EMAIL me immidiately!

my best regards
your other half!

Tik

[lillyjgc]

Hi-My prog sun and venus were conjunct in Libra a few years back-no wedding..
The time that a wedding should have occurred according to previous posters here, has been and gone-
Natally I have moon ruling h7..showing many relationships, which has occurred.
What happens in the charts of those who choose not to marry? How would that be shown aspectually?
I agree with Claire, if the theory can't be uniformly applied with accuracy then it's not a valid method.
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[aquaphiliac]

Wow, this has spooked me out. My Sun is 13 degrees Virgo & my Venus is 28 degrees Leo. I met my first love when I was 15. Ha, I wonder what indicates the next love that'll come along :lol:

[lillyjgc]

Thanks Haizea...but no I did not meet anyone around that time.I also looked at this theory in my son and daughter's charts-it hasnt *worked* there either, but I also agree with those who said there's more than one way to ascertain such things.We know from experience that sometimes *events* of any kind are shown by transits, sometimes by Progressions etc..Personally I would not apply this theory to every natal that comes into my hands, not yet anyway, but I am interested in experimenting with it to see what proportion of charts it applies to.
I met the love of my life when I was 19. Nothing in my chart is 19 degrees apart.
Cheers
Lillyj

[waybread]

This just didn't work at all for me. My first marriage occurred when I was 24. My second marriage occurred when I was 47. None of the degrees of separation pan out. Mars/Venus was close for marriage #1 but was a year out.

Which makes me wonder how this relates to so many couples today simply deciding to live together.

[DKAngel]

My natal Venus and Sun are 46 degrees apart and I am 45.5 and unmarried (never married). When my Progressed Venus conjuncted my natal Sun in August 2007, I met a man and fell deeply, startingly, passionately in love, and he fell in love with me but he is much younger (now 29), and a very stubborn slow Saturnian Aquarius. I am a Virgo.

My Mars and Sun are 46 degrees apart.
My Moon and Venus are 96 degrees apart (divided in half is 48)

His Mars and Asc are 34 degrees apart (I would be 48 when he was 34)
His Moon and Desc are 32 degrees apart

I am not single by choice.

My Progressed Venus is now midway between my Natal Sun and Natal Uranus and I think the Aquarius is finally going to ask me to cohabitate with him.

The two obvious possibilities could be that the Aquarius I met when my Progressed Venus conjuncted my Natal Sun marries me soon when I become 46 OR I could meet someone in the next year when I am 46 and marry that person OR when I am 48 I could meet and/or marry then.

[Vagabondgirl]

I got married at 21 (now divorced). But an astrologer predicted that I was going to marry the summer of 2005, I didnt get married then, BUT that was the time I first met the guy I married 2 years later. And I see that progressed venus was in conjunction with natal sun in 2005. But in 2007 it had gone passed the sun.

The only other important of 2007 I can see is Mercury at the DC with 0,75 of orb. Should I correct my ascendent my this? I heard the ascendent needs to be corrected according to life events. Any ideas?

The MC was also conjuncting my jupiter at the date of our marriage.

[Virinchi]

Vagabondgirl
can u post your birth details in vedic section
may be i can try predicting clearly

[Vagabondgirl]

What is the vedic section? I can post it here anyway.

I Have a new boyfriend here, but no special porgressed aspect I could find for us:P

[Virinchi]

if your 1st marriage was after feb 2005 and it was divorced, then expect only a relation but no marriage in near future

[Vagabondgirl]

To be honest I dont care about marriages anymore, because of my bummer the last time.... I was naive enough then.

But how do you see that there was a marriage and that it ended? Using planets transit/progression or something else? So you see that I will never get married again? :P Or do you only mean the nearest future?

[Vagabondgirl]

if your 1st marriage was after feb 2005 and it was divorced, then expect only a relation but no marriage in near future

No, my first marriage was 07.07.07....

[Virinchi]

well.. thats what i said

after feb 2005, it could be any date
within few months after divorce you met another guy

[Vagabondgirl]

Hmmm. I met him before the divorce. The official divorce even took much longer, 1 year after or so.

[Virinchi]

between mar 10 - mar 2013 if you try to get remarried, it will fail too
its not good to have kids this time too

[Vagabondgirl]

Hmmm, well dont think I can wait so much longer passed 30!!!! Im turning 25 this year, Im not getting any younger.

So you see no kids within 3 years? And this marriage Im "trying on" is it with this current guy or another? :P

[Virinchi]

And this marriage Im "trying on" is it with this current guy or another?

you can answer this better than anyone
but watchout for what might happen in next 1-2 months between you both

[Vagabondgirl]

And this marriage Im "trying on" is it with this current guy or another?

you can answer this better than anyone
but watchout for what might happen in next 1-2 months between you both

Can one avoid this?

I dreamt about a break up or something similar many times the passed few months actually. Dont always know if I can trust them, but sometimes they are right about break ups and that sort sadly enough.... Last time it was about the time 28 mars-7. april when a trip is arranged. Could this be the time period you are refering too? Or is it just broad time specter you see? Is the break up connected to travel?

We didnt speak about marriage for the nearest future, only kids...

[Virinchi]

it will happen any time after 24 march
its related to a travel

if break up happens, one will travel to other place(may be far off)
for kids your best time is only after 2010 passes away
but to be frank, it wont happen before 2013 march

[Vagabondgirl]

We have a long distance relationship, so ofcourse travel. Do you mean far off to another country than the ones we are in now? Like another continent? We are now both in Europe.

Do you see a new relationship close after this? I hope not ofcourse....

[Virinchi]

it may not close totally and suddenly but commnication will be lesser than what it is now
it will gradually decrease and some day during next 3 years you may decide to close it and move on

[Vagabondgirl]

But do these "aspects" affect all people the same. What about free will? :innocent:

[waybread]

DKAngel, your post doesn't sound rational to me. This younger man doesn't want an open relationship with you for fear the "cute girls" wont like him any more. You don't love him, but merely anticipate some fringe benefits.

Given the comfort you provide him, given his ill parent, he may see you more as a substitute mother figure.

How long do you think such a relationship would last before you cordially dislike each other--if not hate each other--and/or he starts cheating on you with the young women whose opinions do matter to him?

An immature 29-year old is still immature.

I am sorry to sound harsh--I hope this is one of those times when it is helpful for an outsider to take a new perspective on your situation.

Would you like to post your charts, perhaps on a new thread? i wonder if you have Cancer rising, or perhaps afflictions in the 7th house. W.

[DKAngel]

What I wrote is merely bits and pieces of things, nothing irrational.

It was a comment on marriage ages in charts, using the method provided and providing some insight on a particular situation. My Venus and Sun are 46 degrees apart and I am nearly 46 so I may be on the verge of a late first marriage and this Aquarian is the only one in the field at this time. My other possibilities according to these methods are when I am 48 and 96. And I had an unacceptable proposal from a stranger during my Saturn Return, and the SR time is usually a time when marriages or proposals or divorces occur.

And yes of course he is immature at his current age and his SR will hopefully and likely bring change to that. He has to get through that transition and no one can help him but himself. With a Saturn Rx in Libra he is being forced to face the need to maturely do the right, fair and balanced thing about marriage and relationships.

Now as far as posting my natal chart, yes I will do that as a learning point for folks but not until some other events unfold in the next few months. I will tag this post and email you in particular when I do. I appreciate your having taken time to comment! My 7th house has no planets in it by the way and no, I do not have a Cancer ASC.

[DKAngel]

She is a Virgo, waybread. Virgos can speak like that about love. :whistling:

:biggrin:

Thank you Haizea! LOL, yes, I have come to learn, after fighting it hard (can tell I have significant FIRE in my chart?) that I am a Virgo and in some way the archetype of the virginal, single mother, and late marriage or lack of marriage comes true in some way! And love is rarely fiery passion. I did have it before when I first met the guy. Now it is more a low flame.

Besides, when did you know of a Virgo woman and Aquarius man igniting into an intense flaming rolling ball of passionate love or being an intense roiling ocean of all-consuming love? LOL. I look like a very ageless, beautiful and sexy Fire sign on the outside and I think that gets cerebral Virgo me in trouble!

I am an Earth Sign with alot of Earth and Water but significant Fire and he is an Air sign alot of Air and significant Water. Passion is not our combined middle name, LOL. We are too rational for that LOL. Heads over hearts, to my consternation, plus other factors.

I just think, at 45, that marriage will be a practical companionship with mutual benefits between friends. And hey, that can be good.

[kbell]

I hate to ask this, but I really have been having a rough time with my love life. I've been married once. I do want to get married again one day, but I'm not having much luck. A relationship for me ended in late October 2009, and though I've had interest since that time from two men it didn't pan out.

I saw Juno and venus will be transiting my 7th house in early may and conjunct my moon. I'm hoping this will be a romantic time for me. :love:

I think possibly January 2012 may be a marriage time (just a hunch). I think I'm not able to look at my chart/transits objectively about love anymore. Do you guys see anything good coming up? I hate to ask this, but this is the one aspect of my life I kind of suck at. I've done a lot of growing and changing and maturing thanks to my pluto transit. I feel like now I'm ready for something wonderful. I'd appreciate any help.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Sun Virgo 2°47'34

Moon Aries 24°50'23

Venus Cancer 17°05'38

Mars retrograde in Pisces 22°06'37

I married the first time at age 20 in June 1977.
I married the 2nd time at age 23 on Aug 22, 1980 just 3 days before my 24th bd.

128 degrees between my Sun and Moon. Half would be 64...still doesn't wk. lol

My Venus and Mars are part of a grand water Trine to each other (with Saturn in Scorpio 26) and are 111 degrees apart. Half would be 50.5

I will turn 54 on August 25th. I divorced in late 2004 so that 2nd marriage no longer exists.

I love a great formula and hate when it doesn't work on me! Grrrr. lol.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I hate to ask this, but I really have been having a rough time with my love life. I've been married once. I do want to get married again one day, but I'm not having much luck. A relationship for me ended in late October 2009, and though I've had interest since that time from two men it didn't pan out.

I saw Juno and venus will be transiting my 7th house in early may and conjunct my moon. I'm hoping this will be a romantic time for me. :love:

I think possibly January 2012 may be a marriage time (just a hunch). I think I'm not able to look at my chart/transits objectively about love anymore. Do you guys see anything good coming up? I hate to ask this, but this is the one aspect of my life I kind of suck at. I've done a lot of growing and changing and maturing thanks to my pluto transit. I feel like now I'm ready for something wonderful. I'd appreciate any help.

I have heard that PROFECTING is a great way to tell. For me my next bd in late Aug has me profecting to Virgo rising which is my 7th house as well. Trouble is that Mercury is my marriage significator and it's been under attack by Saturn for awhile now. My Mercury is in Virgo 29 degrees. That and my Juno is in Cap 6 degrees where Pluto is headed. And Saturn will be squaring it too once it decides to leave my Mercury alone.

The Virgo in me says better to be alone than with the wrong fella. But my Venus in Cancer wants love. It's not so fun being contradictory. lol.

Good Luck!

[DKAngel]

Have you reviewed your natal chart yet for the degrees between the planet pairings mentioned? Do that first and post it and then maybe we can see what is happening or not happening.

I hate to ask this, but I really have been having a rough time with my love life. I've been married once. I do want to get married again one day, but I'm not having much luck. A relationship for me ended in late October 2009, and though I've had interest since that time from two men it didn't pan out.

I saw Juno and venus will be transiting my 7th house in early may and conjunct my moon. I'm hoping this will be a romantic time for me. :love:

I think possibly January 2012 may be a marriage time (just a hunch). I think I'm not able to look at my chart/transits objectively about love anymore. Do you guys see anything good coming up? I hate to ask this, but this is the one aspect of my life I kind of suck at. I've done a lot of growing and changing and maturing thanks to my pluto transit. I feel like now I'm ready for something wonderful. I'd appreciate any help.

[DKAngel]

What is profecting?

I have heard that PROFECTING is a great way to tell. For me my next bd in late Aug has me profecting to Virgo rising which is my 7th house as well. Trouble is that Mercury is my marriage significator and it's been under attack by Saturn for awhile now. My Mercury is in Virgo 29 degrees. That and my Juno is in Cap 6 degrees where Pluto is headed. And Saturn will be squaring it too once it decides to leave my Mercury alone.

The Virgo in me says better to be alone than with the wrong fella. But my Venus in Cancer wants love. It's not so fun being contradictory. lol.

Good Luck!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

What is profecting?

Profecting: Starting with birth where you are age ZERO (not 1) and each year afterwards your rising graduates to the following sign. The same occurs for your luminaries and planets too.

I was born Pisces rising but I profect to Leo rising this year which normally falls in my 6th house....making that my years emphasis. And work HAS been the emphasis for me this year.

Every 12th year is a repeat. I'm at work now but when I get home and can access my photobucket (blocked from work) I can give you a picture of a profection wheel.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

:biggrin: Hi Haizea! I divorced at age 48....that's gotta count for something?

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Here's that profection wheel

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/ProfectionWheel.jpg

[kbell]

Have you reviewed your natal chart yet for the degrees between the planet pairings mentioned? Do that first and post it and then maybe we can see what is happening or not happening.

Well I was married in July 1999 the first time. I was 25. I'm 35 now. The degrees between mars and sun is almost 24 degrees. We did meet when I was 23. Between mars and venus is almost 36 degrees.

edit: also wanted to add that my progressed jupiter (chart ruler) was on the natal ic when I got married.

[waybread]

My natal Venus and Sun are 46 degrees apart and I am 45.5 and unmarried (never married). When my Progressed Venus conjuncted my natal Sun in August 2007, I met a man and fell deeply, startingly, passionately in love, and he fell in love with me but he is much younger (now 29), and a very stubborn slow Saturnian Aquarius. I am a Virgo.

My Mars and Sun are 46 degrees apart.
My Moon and Venus are 96 degrees apart (divided in half is 48)

His Mars and Asc are 34 degrees apart (I would be 48 when he was 34)
His Moon and Desc are 32 degrees apart

I am not single by choice. I have had a miserable relationship life and a nearly celibate existence my entire life and have not actually had a relationship. One man who met me asked me to marry him after a week and one date when I was in my Saturn Return. I turned down that insane proposal from the stranger. I did not begin wanting to marry until I was 36, and the last nearly 10 years have been sheer absolute emotional and spiritual torture. I cannot put into words the grief and pain.

My Progressed Venus is now midway between my Natal Sun and Natal Uranus and I think the Aquarius is finally going to ask me to cohabitate with him because his father is dying and he is in his Saturn Return year and needs comfort/is awakening to my value and dealing with his feelings etc, but I, well, I do not feel the same about him anymore. His coldness strangled and starved the love I for him. He has been obsessed with criticism of me by other women who are in love with him. He is afraid they will dislike him if he openly has a relationship with me. He has been so unhumanitarian and obsessed with himself and his needs, especially for luxury and adultation. I cannot call what I feel for him love, anymore. But I may marry him for practical and financial reasons as a partner as he is good with finances. He waited so long, nearly 3 years, to be somewhat emotionally human, that I have come to the point of assessing that I could live with him for the benefits I would get from it and I could do some cooking and cleaning in exchange and feel okay. I know we can be friendly and as a pair be productive.

I never thought life would turn out like this for me, but have come to think that this is my life as a Virgo....with a natal chart that indicates late marriage.

The two obvious possibilities could be that the Aquarius I met when my Progressed Venus conjuncted my Natal Sun marries me soon when I become 46 OR I could meet someone in the next year when I am 46 and marry that person OR when I am 48 I could meet and/or marry then.

But you know, with this late first time marriage thing....it is not about love for me. I do not think I will have that in this lifetime.

DK Angel, have it your way. I just call it as I see it. In either this or your next post to me, this does not sound like a winning relationship.

BTW, all that business about Aquarians being cold and unfeeling was probably written by clinging Cancers or Scorpios who don't understand us at all. I have an Aquarian sun, Mercury, and Venus, with my sun trine Uranus. I have been married twice, most of my adult life. Both times to husbands with their sun in air signs. We are as capable of deeply loving someone as the next person, but we do need our space.

[Kerrie]

it may not close totally and suddenly but commnication will be lesser than what it is now
it will gradually decrease and some day during next 3 years you may decide to close it and move on
What happened to letting us know where you see all this in the chart? Isnt this a learning website?

[DKAngel]

Well, reiterating...."cute girls" and "mother figures" was not in the post nor the point of the post. No one was debating the winningness of the relationship so that was not the point either. What was the point and was delineated was the background story behind ONE person's astrological aspects in relation to the marriage age theory presented in the first post. According to that theory, a marriage may be in the making in the next year, 3 years or nearly 50 years from now.

It is clear that you did not read the two posts in which Haizea and I pointed out that I am a Virgo and in which I let you know I do not have a Cancer ASC. Btw, I also am then obviously not a Scorpio and I do not have Scorpio ASC.

Aquarians....hmmmm most of my female friends are Aquarians. Again you made up something I do not see there as nothing was written about Aquarians being "incapable of deeply loving" someone. Of course Aquarius' can deeply love and marry or get engaged -- look at Eva Gabor, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Paris Hilton, etc. Being an Aquarius does not make you incapable of getting engaged, marrying and divorcing multiple times. The key, regardless of sign, is evolving and being mature enough to commit and stay committed.

My favorite Aquarius was Paul Newman, who stayed committed for decades in his second marriage to Joanne Woodward.

Just as there was nothing written about "cute girls" or "mother figures", there is also nothing in the post about "space". LOL, but it was specifically written that Virgos and Aquarius' are more in their heads (cerebral) than hearts, which I can personally say reflects the Virgo/Aquarius pairing of which I am a part. Both like their space...although that is not the point of the marriage age theory.

And having dealt with numerous Aquarius men as astrology consultation clients, and on a personal level, I am speaking not only to known Aquarius traits in professional astrology, I am speaking to research, personal observation and personal experience.

I am calling it exactly as it is known, seen and experienced.

I assume (so it could be wrong) that you as an Aquarius have personally experienced Cancers and Scorpios as wanting to take away your personal space and being as you say "clingy".


DK Angel, have it your way. I just call it as I see it. In either this or your next post to me, this does not sound like a winning relationship.

BTW, all that business about Aquarians being cold and unfeeling was probably written by clinging Cancers or Scorpios who don't understand us at all. I have an Aquarian sun, Mercury, and Venus, with my sun trine Uranus. I have been married twice, most of my adult life. Both times to husbands with their sun in air signs. We are as capable of deeply loving someone as the next person, but we do need our space.

[DKAngel]

I think you are correct that one strong personal planet can throw the theory out of whack. That and environment......as is always the case in astrology.



Sun Virgo 2°47'34

Moon Aries 24°50'23

Venus Cancer 17°05'38

Mars retrograde in Pisces 22°06'37

I married the first time at age 20 in June 1977.
I married the 2nd time at age 23 on Aug 22, 1980 just 3 days before my 24th bd.

128 degrees between my Sun and Moon. Half would be 64...still doesn't wk. lol

My Venus and Mars are part of a grand water Trine to each other (with Saturn in Scorpio 26) and are 111 degrees apart. Half would be 50.5

I will turn 54 on August 25th. I divorced in late 2004 so that 2nd marriage no longer exists.

I love a great formula and hate when it doesn't work on me! Grrrr. lol.

[DKAngel]

Quite interesting, Amy! I am going to sit and study this for a while and see how it connects or does not connect with my yearly themes. So according to this, my Ascendant would be profected to my 10th house right now. I have been concerned with career issues after graduating from university and am working on relaunching and expanding my business. I am wondering what the 11th house profected Ascendant will bring with the next birthday! I will need to look back to previous years and see how the 11th house themes manifested.

What I note immediately is that, for example, the 11th house has the associations of Uranus, Aquarius, groups and associations. The previous 11th house years for me have involved a significant relationship with a male having Sun in Aquarius and something about socializing and being part of groups/leading groups and/or some sort of humanitarian involvement.

I am involved with an Aquarius male now and we are either going to come together in commitment or break apart, and the business I am re-launching and expanding is definitely humanitarian and has humanity as its focus. It will also involve dealing with a large group of people in a leadership capacity.

Thank you for this!

Here's that profection wheel

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/ProfectionWheel.jpg

[DKAngel]

Amy,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume you are referring to Tr Saturn as afflicting your natal Mercury at 29 Virgo? You said earlier that your birthday is August 25. Well, from what I calculate, by the time your birthday arrives and your Asc profects to Virgo, Saturn will be at 3 Libra and not coming back to visit we Virgos until October 2036. (Can you see me dancing and leaping??) Perhaps that will give you some relief in your yearly theme and in your natal 7th house....



I have heard that PROFECTING is a great way to tell. For me my next bd in late Aug has me profecting to Virgo rising which is my 7th house as well. Trouble is that Mercury is my marriage significator and it's been under attack by Saturn for awhile now. My Mercury is in Virgo 29 degrees. That and my Juno is in Cap 6 degrees where Pluto is headed. And Saturn will be squaring it too once it decides to leave my Mercury alone.

The Virgo in me says better to be alone than with the wrong fella. But my Venus in Cancer wants love. It's not so fun being contradictory. lol.

Good Luck!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Quite interesting, Amy! I am going to sit and study this for a while and see how it connects or does not connect with my yearly themes. So according to this, my Ascendant would be profected to my 10th house right now. I have been concerned with career issues after graduating from university and am working on relaunching and expanding my business. I am wondering what the 11th house profected Ascendant will bring with the next birthday! I will need to look back to previous years and see how the 11th house themes manifested.

What I note immediately is that, for example, the 11th house has the associations of Uranus, Aquarius, groups and associations. The previous 11th house years for me have involved a significant relationship with a male having Sun in Aquarius and something about socializing and being part of groups/leading groups and/or some sort of humanitarian involvement.

I am involved with an Aquarius male now and we are either going to come together in commitment or break apart, and the business I am re-launching and expanding is definitely humanitarian and has humanity as its focus. It will also involve dealing with a large group of people in a leadership capacity.

Thank you for this!

You're welcome! It's been a wonderful tool. I learned it from a wonderful astrologer friend of mine who I attribute to having taught me the most. Being the Virgo that I am I have an excel sheet all set up from age 0 to now and have put all the profections in. I left a space at the left of each column to include significant events and would list marriage, divorce, births, etc. and look for the patterns.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Amy,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume you are referring to Tr Saturn as afflicting your natal Mercury at 29 Virgo? You said earlier that your birthday is August 25. Well, from what I calculate, by the time your birthday arrives and your Asc profects to Virgo, Saturn will be at 3 Libra and not coming back to visit we Virgos until October 2036. (Can you see me dancing and leaping??) Perhaps that will give you some relief in your yearly theme and in your natal 7th house....

Yes, Thankfully, Saturn will be giving our Mercury's a break by then but then Pluto will be headed toward a conjunction with my Juno in Capricorn 6 degrees along with Saturn heading toward squaring it. I am keeping that in mind to at least continue to ponder. In the end it'll be right place and right time as with all things. lol.

[DKAngel]

Btw, we have Virgoan mothers and Aquarian fathers. :love:

I do not doubt that a lifetime relationship is possible. :biggrin: I have not stated all the details of the events that have occurred in the relationship so it would be hard for someone who does not know the details to accurately assess.

But I will be interested to see how things unfold for me in the marriage department with my 46th birthday occurring this year. I want to see if that Sun/Venus distance of 46 degrees and the final outcome of the Progressed Venus conj Natal Sun that occurred in 2007 when we met.

DKAngel, I think that for you, as a Virgo, it could be very interesting to see Waybread's (Aquarius) perspective and understanding of your words when telling a love story.

Maybe your Aquarius does not understand you the way you think he does? :wink:

I've known a life-time love relation between a Virgo and an Aquarius, so possible it is. :smile:

[venusia]

Hello everybody.... I'm trying to learn as much about astrology as I can :wink:. I looked at the degrees between my sun and venus and it doesn't match to the age I got married at. There are 22 degrees between sun and venus and I got married at 18. I tried all the other ones and did not work either. I guess that formula doesn't work for me.

I have been dating my bf for 1yr and a half and I'm wondering if that will end in marriage. I do want to get married again. I divorced at 34. I'm turning 40 this year and dream of having a stable marriage again. I guess that's my libra ruler of my 7th calling..... I've noticed that I seem to run into men that are air signs, specially aqu. But, they seem to be very unemotional and don't like to feel attached or want to go into a serious relationship. I think that is my uranus in the 7th and also the fact I have my moon there too? And I don't like it:crying:

I also have jupiter on the 7th and I married outside of my country. All the serious relationships I've had have been with men that are foreigners. It looks like I'm bound to marry a foreigner.

I see a transit coming up soon in my future where saturn will be conj my desc and will conj my uranus and later my moon. All on the 7th. What do you guys think about this? I know I will be coming to a period where I will want more stability and more seriousness to my relationships. I already I'm feeling that. Could this transit of saturn into libra in my 7th be meaningful for marriage? Thank you all...

P.S. DKANGEL

I agree with the other ladies... I think that that relationship into marriage is not a good thing. I know that us women when we reach our 40's get a little desperate if we're not attached or married... believe me I feel the same too sometimes. But, a man at that age is too immature, they need to grow and experience life a little more so they can mature. I hope that it works out for you either way:biggrin: Good Luck!

[Virinchi]

What happened to letting us know where you see all this in the chart? Isnt this a learning website?

as i said in my earlier post
my method is indian and k.p
so asked to post in vedic section for explanation
even if i explain it here , many wont understand

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

as i said in my earlier post
my method is indian and k.p
so asked to post in vedic section for explanation
even if i explain it here , many wont understand

I don't know the policies here but I would love to hear as well....even if you just copied and pasted from where you posted it for the Vedic info. I agree that many times I don't understand....yet I am trying to.

[Virinchi]

acc. to her vedic chart, saturn , the 12th lord is in 8th house
and her vimsottari dasas show saturn's sub period from march
its Rahu's dasa and saturn's antardasa

Rahu dasa started in 2005 and between 2005-07 is when she got married and divorced
from 2007 end, she's been in touch with a guy constantly as it was rahu-jup period, which was favourable for her relation
(jup being her lagna lord)

now saturn in 8th and being 12th lord will make her seperated from him for next 3 years
this period will be lowest phase in life

after 2013 march it will be rahu-mercury, and mercury being 7th lord, favours a partnership/relation/marriage

[venusia]

Hello Virinchi, according to vedict chart, do you see my current relationship resulting in marriage? If not when do you see could be a possibility of marriage for me? Thank you for your help.....

[DKAngel]

My relationship will work out as it does. Using the theory, I am on the verge of marriage with someone so we shall see if the theory pans out for me as it indicates a 1st marriage at 46 with another possibility at 48.....and of course anyone who has not done their Saturn Return (SR), such as the Aquarian, is not an adult yet. But many other factors apply to a person's maturity, too. I was much more mature than him at 28-30. Astrologically, it is significant that we met at my Progressed Venus conj Natal Sun (a common marriage significator).....and my marriage age of 46 will arrive 1)as he has his exact SR and then completes it, 2) as my Progressed Venus conjuncts the modern ruler of his Sun and 3) when his SR will illustrate the conjunction of Saturn in Libra to the classic ruler of his Sun and Saturn is the ruler of his natal chart. I certainly could also suddenly meet someone else and marry in the next year. His chart by the way, indicates marrying an older partner.

A bit related to you, I have always been with men who are foreigners, such as the current man...and the very likely manifestation of that for YOU is Uranus on your Descendant! This the sign of a foreign (different from you in some way) marriage partner. It can also signify significant age difference (your partner being younger than you).

With Saturn crossing your Descendant and entering your 7th, this is a classic MARRIAGE TRANSIT!

The Aquarian of which I have written had this transit of Saturn in the 7th when we met and still does (with Saturn conjuncting my Sun in his 7th house of marriage, soon to conjunct my Uranus and 2 other of my planets while in his 7th house and now he is having his Saturn Return there). So it is a significant time of life lessons and events. In any event he and I will remember this as a significant time of life.

People very commonly get engaged and marry during Tr Saturn in the 7th house. You could have your desire quite soon while Saturn is transiting your 7th. But Uranus and your attraction to Aquarians could make it a challenging time. Hold on for the ride!


Hello everybody.... I'm trying to learn as much about astrology as I can :wink:. I looked at the degrees between my sun and venus and it doesn't match to the age I got married at. There are 22 degrees between sun and venus and I got married at 18. I tried all the other ones and did not work either. I guess that formula doesn't work for me.

I have been dating my bf for 1yr and a half and I'm wondering if that will end in marriage. I do want to get married again. I divorced at 34. I'm turning 40 this year and dream of having a stable marriage again. I guess that's my libra ruler of my 7th calling..... I've noticed that I seem to run into men that are air signs, specially aqu. But, they seem to be very unemotional and don't like to feel attached or want to go into a serious relationship. I think that is my uranus in the 7th and also the fact I have my moon there too? And I don't like it:crying:

I also have jupiter on the 7th and I married outside of my country. All the serious relationships I've had have been with men that are foreigners. It looks like I'm bound to marry a foreigner.

I see a transit coming up soon in my future where saturn will be conj my desc and will conj my uranus and later my moon. All on the 7th. What do you guys think about this? I know I will be coming to a period where I will want more stability and more seriousness to my relationships. I already I'm feeling that. Could this transit of saturn into libra in my 7th be meaningful for marriage? Thank you all...

P.S. DKANGEL

I agree with the other ladies... I think that that relationship into marriage is not a good thing. I know that us women when we reach our 40's get a little desperate if we're not attached or married... believe me I feel the same too sometimes. But, a man at that age is too immature, they need to grow and experience life a little more so they can mature. I hope that it works out for you either way:biggrin: Good Luck!

[DKAngel]

If you could give the link to the explanation that would be great!

as i said in my earlier post
my method is indian and k.p
so asked to post in vedic section for explanation
even if i explain it here , many wont understand

[Virinchi]

If you could give the link to the explanation that would be great!

its not copied from anywhere to give a link
its my interpretation explained based on chart given by her

________________

Hi venusia,

i dont understand western charts
if you can post your birth details in vedic section with some explanation of ur problem then i may help

[Awakened_Pisces]

its not copied from anywhere to give a link
its my interpretation explained based on chart given by her

________________

Hi venusia,

i dont understand western charts
if you can post your birth details in vedic section with some explanation of ur problem then i may help

I would love to have my chart down in a vedic setting, but many of the vedic programs I see actually cost something I don't have: Money. Wahhh.

[Virinchi]

softwares in this link are free to use
http://www.illuminatetoday.com/category/download

try anyone

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

softwares in this link are free to use

http://www.illuminatetoday.com/category/download

try anyone

I was excited to see your link and clicked many times but the ad pops in almost immediately and if I try to click off to see what that link shows it also closes the page completely. I have a Vedic chart (seen on my signature as of today) but it was given by a woman who only gave recent history as far as Vimshottari and I was hoping to get a complete one to study as that is how I learn best.

P.S. I love hearing both people's individual interpretations and obtaining new links. Both excite me.

I do have this link to get a vedic chart:

http://www.planetarypositions.com/birthchart.html (http://www.planetarypositions.com/birthchart.html)

but I find I imput the info wrong and don't get an accurate chart. I can use a vedic style chart from astro.com to get the circle wheel but I know Vedic people like the one like I have posted in my signature. Also when it gives the option of Northern or Southern Indian option, which am I to choose and what difference does it make? Sorry for all the ?'s....I am a curious person and interested in Vedic of late.

[DKAngel]

I thought her chart with an explanation was somewhere. I do not to confuse things!


its not copied from anywhere to give a link
its my interpretation explained based on chart given by her

________________

Hi venusia,

i dont understand western charts
if you can post your birth details in vedic section with some explanation of ur problem then i may help

[DKAngel]

I think you are right......and in recent days was forced to say goodbye to him after 2.5 years of giving him my love. To clarify it for him I gave him a copy of my permit showing I am leaving/must leave on (DATE), and will no longer be here. He had the ability to prevent it by having me cohabitate with him officially, but he blew it off when I told him this deadline some time ago. Now he has the proof in his hands, which I should not have had to show him for him to believe. This all hits him hard beause his father is dying, but I could not continue sacrificing my life for his (non-)emotional convenience and lack of mutuality. That paper proof and the goodbye has shocked him and now he knows he must act soon or lose me forever. By acting, I do not mean marry me immediately as I won't marry him until AFTER he has had his Saturn Return in October and his 30th birthday in February 2011. Cohabitating and engagement with a wedding date is sufficient. I feel I will have a marriage opportunity soon whether it is him or another man. For now, I must continue to be patient, even though hurt. Perhaps 46 or 48 will be my time for a first marriage. LOL, I hope this formula works for me!

DKAngel, I've been thinking of your situation. It seems to me that the best for you to do is to get the best of your love and show it to him. That way you will be able to see if it is Him or if you'd better get free from him in the hope that a new love will appear, as you see it should according to astrology.

What do you think? :smile:

[kbell]

I hope you find happiness with someone who is deserving of your love. :)

[Virinchi]

Hi Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris

the chart you show in signature is vedic only and it doesnt give me chance to offer correct predictions
however, http://www.illuminatetoday.com/download/jagannatha-hora-vedic-horoscope-software.html will give you KP sublords of each cusp and planet giving a chance for better and accurate predictions

when you use software from above link
just click on KP tab on natal chart section and post its image too along with main charts

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Hi Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris

the chart you show in signature is vedic only and it doesnt give me chance to offer correct predictions
however, http://www.illuminatetoday.com/download/jagannatha-hora-vedic-horoscope-software.html will give you KP sublords of each cusp and planet giving a chance for better and accurate predictions

when you use software from above link
just click on KP tab on natal chart section and post its image too along with main charts

And see I thought that was a complete vedic chart. lol. I have tried clicking on your link several times...this time I can get there without the ad BUT when I click on it...it takes me back to the same place without downloading anything. Saturn is retrograding BACK into my Mercury again so it could be starting to give me grief again.

And I spent considerable time typing to another thread here and found myself logged out and I lost all I had posted. I'll keep trying.

[Virinchi]

shorter version

http://jhora.members.winisp.net/jh_short_install.zip (3.6mb)

or

longer version of software
http://jhora.members.winisp.net/jh_full_install.zip (70mb)

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I was able to download the short version before you even provided the more direct links but THANK YOU and I am THRILLED with this~!

Here is my Vedic chart

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/AmysVedicchartdoneFeb202010withdasa.jpg

And I'll replace the other one I had with this one.


It appears I am in the Rahu dasa, which I knew, with a Jupiter subdasa
thru Nov 30, 2010 and then the Sun pratyantardasas.

NOW I get to google and read and find out what that means. lol.

[Virinchi]

since your Rahu is conjucnt with 12th lord saturn, its not fav. for marriage

however jupiter being 2nd lord will try to form a family and also its in 7th with 7th lord sun
but its dasa starts in 2023

if you can post an image of KP tab (4th tab in natal chart colum)
can check most possible period

also in preferences -> calculations, keep ayanamsa to Lahiri or K.P , not tropical / sayana
and in dasas use 360 degree savana years option

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/Amysvimsottaridasa.jpg

OK, I can't hold my eyes open anymore. lol. It's 12:15 am for me.

Thanks for your assistance and I'll check in tomorrow morning~

[DKAngel]

I know you are writing with best intention.

Yes, I have have shown him love for 2.5 years in many ways and very clearly and this Aquarius male has behaved as I have described. The deadline date for my residence permit is not something I can change, he has known about my permit expiration date since late 2007 (because he was in the rom when I opened the letter and document and he had to read and translate it) and he was reminded again for the first time a couple months ago by me (without a request or demand from me that he take action), has spent the last 5 months rarely talking while drinking heavily and often, and he has refused to act to do what it would take to be with me. So I am leaving LOVING HIM, at the legally required time or rather just before. It is not longer simply LOVE but about him needing to make the legal commitment that allows us to be together anymore after these last 2.5 years. He has to cohabitate with me and marry me in order for me to get a permanent residence permit. Now he is in shock because reality has hit -- he loves me but must step up and openly commit to me or I am gone because I can no longer legally stay. Time has nearly run out. We are citizens of different countries. I cannot be more clear than that.

I had to give him a copy of the document recently because he has been telling himself that my permit is not nearly expired....and by telling himself that, he gave himself excuse or permission to do nothing.

So yes, and again yes, he has been shown love in many ways and Virgo that I am I have been loyal and devoted AND forgiving through a lot for a LONG time. I will not detail in a public post the ways in which I have shown him love as proof.

Now he, in his SATURN IN LIBRA (Return) lesson is learning he must be fair, balanced and do the right thing (which with Sat in Libra can specifically be a legal thing) in a relationship or lose the person. But he is an Aquarius male and may sit frozen with thoughts while I board the plane, and then grieve privately for a long time.

So I am back to.......my marriage opportunity appears to be age 46 or 48, whether it is this man OR another.





DKAngel, I am a Gemini Sun, so that you can see from which perspective I am talking here. Also, I am 42 and have never married. I am not interested in marriage but in love.

I don't know if you show love to him, but in your words here you are not talking of love, but of needs, deadline dates and documents (I don't understand). It seems to me that your mind at the moment is full with too many things which make it impossible to concentrate on the most important part: Do you love him???

Why don't you show it to him instead of those documents?


I might be wrong, but I am telling you this with my best intention. :smile:

[DKAngel]

Thanks. I will let folks know what happens in any event. It has come to this point of requiring a legal commitment around a love relationship for a reason. I recognize from our parental histories that it is to my spiritual benefit to wait a bit to receive one and there is a spiritual lesson for him which requires him to choose to make the legal commitment. All I can do is take care of myself, be patient about life; be content where it is and be hopeful and directed about where I want to go. If not him, then it will be another man and it will be a lasting and loyal commitment. I really hope it is when I am 46.



Oh, now I understand the part of deadlines and documents... :smile:


Anyhow, I still stick to what I said before. :wink:

[venusia]

Hello DKAngel,

I'm sorry you're having to go through all that with your Aquarious man. It's good that you walked away and left his side because hopefully he'll see that he really is going to lose you and maybe he'll wake up! Sometimes men need a rude awakening to realize who they have by their side and realize that they love you. :pouty: If he doesn't, then it was not meant to be and that will leave the door open for someone who really loves and appreciates you :)

I wish you all the luck in the world..... I also dated an aquarious previous to my bf and he he was very cold about expressing his feeling and love. He did not want any serious commitment or attachments and I ended the relationship. I am by nature a very loving and romantic person being a Taurus with my moon in Libra :wink:

My current bf is a Virgo but has alot of air in him, :gemini: asc and :aquarius: moon. Maybe that's the Uranus that comes up on my 7th house? Could be.... but I also have my mars in :gemini:. He has talked to me about leaving together soon, this year.... sooo I'm hoping that the marriage probabilities does come through :happy: because I love him and do want to marry him...

Again good luck with your situation and I hope you soon meet the right guy that you'll marry either at 46 or 48 :wink:

[DKAngel]

By the way, I mentioned earlier that I admire the way Aquarius male Paul Newman (Aquarius Sun, Pisces Moon) stayed committed to his second marriage, which was to Pisces female Joanne Woodward (Pisces Sun, Aquarius Moon). A few things could be noted about that marriage:


The relationship began as an adulterous affair which destroyed the last 6 years of Newman's first marriage and family (he had three children). He made a famous statement saying he would never cheat on Woodward and late in life he admitted to feeling lifelong guilt about his adultery.
Joanne Woodward's Sun and Mars are 22 degrees apart and she was 22 when she began the adulterous sexual affair with Newman
Newman was in his Saturn Return (Age of Commitment time) when Woodward and he began the adulterous sexual affair
Woodward was in her Saturn Return (Age of Commitment time) when Newman and she married
Side note...Woodward herself was the child of divorced parents (family patterns!), and Woodward had Gore Vidal (wonderful writer) pretend to be engaged to her to make Newman jealous and force him to leave his wife. She and Newman then lived together in a house with Vidal and another person (his real partner?)

[Claire19]

I read the following in an article and I was wondering if anyone else had heard of this or had any opinion on its accuracy. It worked for one of my brothers, but none of the other charts I looked at.

Frequently your age at marriage is plainly indicated right in your natal chart. Just look at the distance in zodiacal degrees between any two of the heavenly bodies symbolic of male and female, love and passion--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Often the number of degrees between two of these "love planets" will equate to your age at a major romance or at marriage.

I should caution that this method doesn't always work. Sometimes you'll need more sophisticated calculations.

Look first for the distance in degrees between Venus, the planet of love, and your natal Sun. Venus is usually close to the Sun by zodiacal degree, and is one of the most important marriage indicators.

Next look for the distances between any of the other four "love planets"--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Check out also the distance between any of these four planets and the Ascendant or Midheaven. Each degree of distance will equate roughly to a year of your life.
If something doesnt work for some then it is not a valid basic principle.
None of these distance theories between planets have any basis for analysis as far as marriage goes.

When we have transits to the 7th house of Jupiter, Venus, Moon even Saturn, that is when committed relationships will be triggered. The ruler of the 7th and its aspects tell the full story. Sometimes the 4th house is involved for domestic arrangements as well. Venus in aspect to the Sun shows our attitudes to marriage and love matters and those we may attract or be attracted to. Sometimes it simply shows the love or not between our fathers and ourselves and how he may express love.

Some of us have Venus conjunct Mars so that is out. The mid heaven has nothing very much to do with marriage unless there are aspects connecting to the 7th. The ascendant and the polar descendant is important yes.
Some of us have Moon conjunct Sun so that is out. So you see the folly of this theory?? It has been posed before and really no weight should be given to it.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Claire you bring up something that has had me curious in the past....and that's the Venus/Mars conjunctions within the INDIVIDUAL natal chart. When a planet connects with Venus in synastry then it will also connect to Mars. It reminds me of folks that have Venus/Saturn conjunctions....hello Venus means hello also to Saturn.

I had a recent break up if you can call it that....it was one where I didn't get the benefit of being TOLD it was a break up...the communication just ceased...and he has Venus (12 degrees) conjunct Mars (14 degrees) in Cancer. (And my Venus in Cancer has always attracted Mars in Cancer so this is nothing new to me...my two previous marriage partners also had Mars in Cancer)

My Father also had this combination, also in Cancer. So I would imagine the significations have to be that much more firm to succeed.

[DKAngel]

LOL, yes, so that is where free will AND environment come into play.

Hey, I was also looking at my chart and thinking, something significant is going to happen for me at age 52 when Pr Venus exactly conjuncts my natal Uranus.

It makes sense as to why marriage matters are so slow and cautious in my life and yet bizarre or uneven...Saturn is in charge for the most part even if the men are offbeat, quirky, non-committal mostly Aquarius (Uranian) males. With Saturn ruling, it would be a late marriage, but could also be a quick relationship and marriage when it finally does occur because of the Uranus rulership. Meet late and marry quickly with a huge age difference, a freaky wedding setting, and separate living conditions. LOL.




Of course it can't be something that always works. If it were so, we'd have it stamped on our Birth Certificate, to know when we'll marry or find love. :pouty:

[DKAngel]

The "rule" of 7th house transits triggering committed relationships and marriages also does not apply all the time. I have had Saturn once and Jupiter more than once transit my 7th house and I never married, got engaged or got any type of committed relationship. I did get streams of uncommitted quirky Aquarius men and a few Virgos popping through at those times and lots of sex requests (should write a book about that) from various men.

[lilcanadien19]

i need help on mine i cant figure it out i dont know how to do it, if someone could help me that would be great i will post my chart up, i dont if the chart is big enough, but i would like to the age, hopefully sooner then 25 lol i know im rushing in but what can i say, i know my sun is in 27 and my venus is in 17, i still cant figure it out though. you have to click on the chart to make it bigger.

[astrologer50]

Unfortunately, there is no set formula or signature, although others may disagree, apparently horary and vedic seem confident in this area

Symbolic Directions in Modern Astrology – book by

By Charles E. Carter
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astrology+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astrology+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Part of marriage women (1) Asc + Saturn - venus
Part of marriage women (2) Asc + mars – moon
Part of marriage man (1) Asc + venus – Saturn
Part of marriage man (2) Asc + venus – sun
Lot of Children
Day Lot = Asc. + Sa - Ju
Night Lot = Asc. + Ju - Sa
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php (http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php)
the above link will calculate for you
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm (http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm)

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/rosemurray/WhenMarry.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/rosemurray/WhenMarry.html)

Your question would be suitable for a horary question, IF you follow the basic rules
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php?faq=horary#faq_horary_astrology_boards (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php?faq=horary#faq_horary_astrology_boards)

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm (http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm)
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

[Astrolove]

Hi,

Now this is all new to me and I am still trying to understand everything about my natal chart. I have tried doing the natal chart with added progression however I am just as lost. I would like to know if anyone can help me figure out the year or the age of marriage in my case Please.

my birh date is July 30 1984 (never married, no children)
I was born in miami Florida at 19:11.

Can anyone help me out plz :unsure:

[CrimsonTaurus]

ok so I'm totally confused! Would someone mind looking at mine for me?
I was born May 11th 1984 at 9:56 a.m. in Oconto Falls, WI
Thanks so much!

[CrimsonTaurus]

Whoops! Forgot to mention, I was never married and have two daughters.

[BobZemco]

I have tried doing the natal chart with added progression however I am just as lost.

Maybe you're LOST (like the tele show) and not lost.

ok so I'm totally confused!

Taurus is actually White & Yellow (Citrine). Libra would be dark crimson.

I would like to know if anyone can help me figure out the year or the age of marriage in my case Please.

I'll show you some neat tricks.

À 000° - 029° Ari
Á 030° - 059° Tau
 060° - 089° Gem
à 090° - 119° Can
Ä 120° - 149° Leo
Å 150° - 179° Vir
Æ 180° - 209° Lib
Ç210° - 239° Sco
È 240° - 269° Sag
É 270° - 299° Cap
Ê 300° - 329°Aqu
Ë 330° - 359° Pis

Those are the Right Ascensions aka "RA" so if I said RA Venus 94°39' then you'd know that Venus is really in at 4° Can 39' and what is the value of that? Well, sometimes astro-math is easier if you use RA instead of Signs/Degrees.

This whole thread is about a woman named Rose Murray who wrote a book about when you'll marry or something like that way back in 1996.

She is using an astrological technique that is 3,000 years old, but she doesn't explain it very well so I'll clear up some of the confusion.

Her method is based on primary direction or what we call progressions. Everything you need or want to know about your future is right there. I'll show you how to do that using this chart here:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12511&stc=1&d=1281933460

In this chart, we see Venus at 4° Can 39' which would means that the opposite point would be 4° Cap 39' so that if we direct the Ascendant to 4° Cap 39' then the directed Ascendant would be in opposition to natal Venus.

Let's convert the Ascendant and the point opposite Venus to Right Ascension:

4° Cap 39' equals 270° + 4° Cap 39' --> 274°39'
20° Sco 43' equals 210° + 20° Sco 43' --> 230°43'

Now let's subtract the difference between the two RA points:

274°39'
230°43'

Convert 39' for subtraction:

273°99'
230°43'

Equals 43°56'

Now, we aren't really keen on minutes of arc so we'll get rid of them and we're left with:

43° and using a Naibod Table (which is not the same thing as a Naibod Arc) we find that 43° equals 43 years and 230 days.

So, in the 43rd year of the life of Professor Gumby, in the 7th Month (230 days divided by 30 days), which was July 2005, something happened, specfically to wit, Prof Gumby and his wife filed for divorce which was finalized 60 days later in September.

That is Directed Ascendant opposition natal Venus which happens to rule Professor Gumby's 9th House and this happened to be his 2nd Marriage and his wife was a foreigner and that folks, is what the 9th House means.

How about that? Now don't feel bad for Professor Gumby because I happen to know he was over the bleeding Moon about the whole thing.

But I think you guys wanted to know about marriage. Okay.

Let's direct Jupiter to the 5th House and sextile the natal Sun. In order for Jupiter to form a sextile with natal Sun at 5° Gem 13' Jupiter will have to be directed to 5° Ari 13' so let's convert those to Right Ascensions:

Sextile 5° Ari 13' equals 0° + 5°13' --> 5°13'
Jupiter 10° Pis 38' equals 330° + 10°38' --> 340°38'

Lets subtract Right Ascensions:

5°13'
340°38'

:eek:

Houston, we have a problem.

How do we resolve this problem? Well we just add 360° and then subtract:

365°13'
340°38'

Convert 13' for subtraction:

364°73'
340°38'

Equals 24°35' and since we hate those minutes, let's get rid of them and we're left with:

24°

From the Naibod Table (which again has absolutely nothing to do with the Naibod Arc) we find that:

24° equals 24 years 128 days.

In the 24th year of the life of Professor Gumby in the Month of April he set up house with the new Mrs. Professor Gumby in the quaint German village of Schönenberg-Kübelberg (a river runs through it).

If you want to find the time of Professor Gumby's 2nd Marriage, I'll give you a hint: Jupiter makes a certain aspect with Mercury.

Now, I can't reproduce the Naibod Table here, but you can certainly get in the ball-park just by using the degree-for-a-year thing.

A word of caution:

And a word of warning:

If you're into the "squares are scary" thing, then you're going to miss the boat.

If you look at the chart, you can plainly see that directed Venus will form a square with natal Mars. That was a good thing that happened to Professor Gumby and he didn't have to lay in a ditch with stinky putrid water for 2 hours getting shot at to have this good thing.

Directed Uranus square your natal Part of Fortune could be the day you win the lottery. So just think about that because directed Sun square Venus or directed Venus square Sun could be the love of your life.

[CrimsonTaurus]

I'm still confused :(

And I do know Libra is actually Crimson, but my best friend that passed away called me Crimson and my horoscope is Taurus, so that's how I came up with my user name.

[BobZemco]

I forgot to mention something really important that Murray didn't explain very well in her book and a lot of others have butchered along the way. Anytime people try to reduce Astrology to the lowest common denominator you get a big FAIL.

People should consider the possibility that Venus (or Mars) is NOT the Marriage Indicator in their chart and that Venus may not even be a Marriage Indicator. How can you know what the Marriage Indicators are?

The Marriage Indicators are:

the progressed Ascendant
the natal, progressed and transiting 5th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 5th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 5th House
the natal, progressed and transiting 7th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 7th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 7th House

For a second marriage all the above plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 9th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 9th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 9th House

For a third marriage same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 11th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 11th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 11th House

For those whose philosophy is "do it until you get it right," same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting House Ruler for the appropriate marriage (ie the 5th marriage is the 3rd House)
any planets in the appropriate natal House
any planets progressed or transiting the appropriate natal House

Other Marriage Indicators would be:

The Chart Ruler (the Ascendant Ruler)
The Final Dispositor (the boss of the Ascendant Ruler -- not all charts will have a Final Dispositor)
The Almuten of the Chart

In Professor Gumby's chart, Jupiter is the Almuten of the Chart and you see progressed Jupiter moving into the 5th House and making sextiles with two Planets in the 7th House.

I'm still confused :(

Well, it is an advanced topic.

And I do know Libra is actually Crimson, but my best friend that passed away called me Crimson and my horoscope is Taurus, so that's how I came up with my user name.

That's cool. I think there's a thread where everyone (or some people) post the story behind their user name.

[Veronica]

I forgot to mention something really important that Murray didn't explain very well in her book and a lot of others have butchered along the way. Anytime people try to reduce Astrology to the lowest common denominator you get a big FAIL.

People should consider the possibility that Venus (or Mars) is NOT the Marriage Indicator in their chart and that Venus may not even be a Marriage Indicator. How can you know what the Marriage Indicators are?

The Marriage Indicators are:

the progressed Ascendant
the natal, progressed and transiting 5th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 5th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 5th House
the natal, progressed and transiting 7th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 7th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 7th House

For a second marriage all the above plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 9th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 9th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 9th House

For a third marriage same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 11th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 11th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 11th House

For those whose philosophy is "do it until you get it right," same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting House Ruler for the appropriate marriage (ie the 5th marriage is the 3rd House)
any planets in the appropriate natal House
any planets progressed or transiting the appropriate natal House

Other Marriage Indicators would be:

The Chart Ruler (the Ascendant Ruler)
The Final Dispositor (the boss of the Ascendant Ruler -- not all charts will have a Final Dispositor)
The Almuten of the Chart

In Professor Gumby's chart, Jupiter is the Almuten of the Chart and you see progressed Jupiter moving into the 5th House and making sextiles with two Planets in the 7th House.



Well, it is an advanced topic.



That's cool. I think there's a thread where everyone (or some people) post the story behind their user name.

Could the ruler, of the 7th house transiting the 7th or 5th indicate romance? Even if that planet is saturn or pluto?

[CrimsonTaurus]

if I send someone my chart would they be willing to decipher it for me?

[Vista]

I forgot to mention something really important that Murray didn't explain very well in her book and a lot of others have butchered along the way. Anytime people try to reduce Astrology to the lowest common denominator you get a big FAIL.

People should consider the possibility that Venus (or Mars) is NOT the Marriage Indicator in their chart and that Venus may not even be a Marriage Indicator. How can you know what the Marriage Indicators are?

The Marriage Indicators are:

the progressed Ascendant
the natal, progressed and transiting 5th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 5th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 5th House
the natal, progressed and transiting 7th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 7th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 7th House

For a second marriage all the above plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 9th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 9th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 9th House

For a third marriage same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting 11th House Ruler
any planets in the natal 11th House
any planets progressed or transiting the natal 11th House

For those whose philosophy is "do it until you get it right," same/same plus:
the natal, progressed and transiting House Ruler for the appropriate marriage (ie the 5th marriage is the 3rd House)
any planets in the appropriate natal House
any planets progressed or transiting the appropriate natal House

Other Marriage Indicators would be:

The Chart Ruler (the Ascendant Ruler)
The Final Dispositor (the boss of the Ascendant Ruler -- not all charts will have a Final Dispositor)
The Almuten of the Chart

In Professor Gumby's chart, Jupiter is the Almuten of the Chart and you see progressed Jupiter moving into the 5th House and making sextiles with two Planets in the 7th House.



Well, it is an advanced topic.



That's cool. I think there's a thread where everyone (or some people) post the story behind their user name.


This is very interesting...for me, I would look to the first marriage indicator's.
So would this mean any progressed or transiting planet would potentially trigger marriage if it hits these planets? It seems like there would be an awful lot of planets involved. For example I would use Mer, Moon, Venus and Mars as marriage indicators and the almuten is the Sun with no final depositor. Mer and Sun certainly have never brought me relationships, let alone marriage opportunity...Venus rules my natal 7th and Moon rules my natal 5th with Mars placed there. It seems transits/progressions to my natal Venus is what has brought me relationships and on occasion transits to my natal Moon, but not often. Also, outer planets transiting my 7th house. T Saturn is now entering my natal 7th and sextiling Venus and T Jupiter is also trining my natal Venus; in addition I have faster moving planets of Venus/Mars with Mercury and Sun soon to follow entering the 7th. I see that there is a likelihood of a new relationship coming to me perhaps a new partnership...am I missing something?

[Astrolove]

Wow Bobzemco, Im impressed. I tried it with my chart but I must be doing something wrong I got it down to 23!! which is impossible... Im 26:crying:


Thx for the tricks though,

[Claire19]

Hi,

there might be something about it. Once I was told by an astrologer that the love of my life I will meet at the age of 36 - and guess what - the distance between Sun and Venus is also 36 degrees!

Wave.
Just co-incidence. The transits to our 7th house show marriage. What applies for one person with astrological principles has to apply to everyone and I for instance did not marry at 45 which is the degrees between Sun and Venus and some people have conjunctions. THis is a theory that comes up every now and again and is not valid.

[DiDi]

bob

you were saying for a second marriage something abo0ut progressed 9th house? mine is progressed to 5 cancer and my 9th H is 8 cancer... would i also look at the progressed moon to see if it contacts something else?

thanks

[Inside Out Orange]

I guess it does work ... still unmarried in late 30s ...I was either meant to be married at age 2 (sun/moon/venus in tight conjunction) or I'm hoping to live until 170 ... (mars almost in opposition) ... which in all points to never getting married ...

[Kenoshamaensa]

I need to look at some of this more closely, especially some of the progressions, but I was intrigued as, some years ago, I was told I'd meet the love of my life "around" my middle 40s, based not on astrology but palmistry. In my natal chart, my Sun and Venus are *about* 44-45 degrees apart. (.54 Libra sun, 16.43 Leo Venus). This coming year, P-Venus sextiles my MC and N-Venus Squares my P-Sun, which is conjunct N-Neptune, and my P-Sun/N-Neptune is (roughly) conjunct the Asc of the guy who I think/wonder/doubt/hope might be that person, who I met about a year ago, but have gotten closer to since spring and now ... well, something is getting pushed to a crux. My P-Venus just went through 7th house, which also contained P-Mars, and (still contains) P-Mercury. P-Venus and P-Mars just entered my 8th house.

Lots and lots of things lining up ... maybe. I need to take a harder look at his progressions. Not sure how much stock to put in that versus my fear of just "wishful thinking." (I should add I was married before, but the same palmist who gave the above comment on "love of my life" said that one showed an early marriage [it was] with an affair, split, return, affair, final split ... and that was exactly how it played out.)

[BobZemco]

In my natal chart, my Sun and Venus are *about* 44-45 degrees apart.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Venus would be a marriage indicator for you if:

Venus is in the 5th or 7th House; or
Venus rules the 1st, 5th, 7th or 10th Houses (or the MC in an equilibrium or whole sign chart); or
Venus is the Dispositor of the 5th or 7th House Ruler or a Planet in the 5th or 7th House; or
Venus is the Dispositor of the Part of Fortune or the Part of Fortune is in the Term of Venus (or Jupiter) and the Part of Fortune is in the 2nd, 7th or 8th Houses and Venus is conjunct, sextile or trine the Part of Fortune.

If Venus does not meet any of the above conditions, then Venus is not the marriage indicator in your chart. The Planet or Planets that do meet those conditions would be the marriage indicator(s) and if there are none, then the chart does not promise marriage or the chart does not promise a 2nd (3rd, 4th or 5th etc etc) marriage.

[Veronica]

How can you tell what is exactly your marriage indicator... out of many endless possible indicators.... ?

[BobZemco]

Could the ruler, of the 7th house transiting the 7th or 5th indicate romance? Even if that planet is saturn or pluto?

Yes, transits in the 7th House can also indicate marriage or a change in relationships. Remember the Angular Houses signify action, beginning, something new, initiation of activity etc. So the ruler of an Angular House transiting through another house and triggering aspects will show that, ie something new, something you're just starting or beginning.

You just have to watch the 4th House Ruler because the 4th House is also a House of Endings, so the symbolism is like "the beginning of the end."

And that's where aspects come into play. The 4th House Ruler in sextile indicates opportunity to end, a trine an harmonious ending, a square a challenging ending or an opposition maybe closure or balance or a lot of conflict. The 1st House Ruler would work the same way, ie a sextile is an opportunity for something new, trine a harmonious beginning, square a challenging beginning (which could either be an obstacle or a lot of fun and action) or an opposition either conflict getting started or maybe cooperation getting things going.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I have Virgo on my 7th house cusp with Mercury located there. Mercury definitely plays a prominent role in my significant relationships.

My composite chart with my x husband and our marriage of 24 years had our midheaven on the same degree as my natal Mercury. Mercury is also the final depositor of my natal chart.

HOWEVER, a very reliable astrology buddy of mine says that in MY CASE, looking at my western natal chart....I have 3 personal planets in Virgo using whole house.

The Sun, being first, was the significator of my first marriage: Lasted less than 1 year.

Jupiter, 2nd, was the significator of my 2nd marriage: lasted 24 years.

Mercury will be the significator of my 3rd. Thank God it's exalted. I'm due. lol.

I was told that because my Sun is under the rays that my first marriage wasn't meant to last. The 2nd being ruled by the greater benefic started out well but since it's in fall in Virgo, was not a good one and that's true.

I have learned it's best to be alone than to be in a bad relationship. Waiting for the right fella is oh so worth the wait. And taking a bad relationship over ANY relationship is NOT worth it. Wait out the reward.
:biggrin: Then it'll be time to celebrate. lol.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I was also taught to check our PROFECTIONS. That's where each year you graduate a SIGN for your rising so that every 12th year (since we start at ZERO) we repeat our natal rising sign. WHEN you profect to what is typically your 7th house rising then that is your focus that year. Or I would also think that, for example, since I am Pisces rising....after my birthday next Wed I profect to a Virgo rising which is my 7th house.

HOWEVER, with transiting Saturn in Libra squaring my natal Venus in Cancer 17 degrees....where it'll retrograde so I'll get a 3 time pass over.....I am thinking that will null and void my 7th house focus this time.

Drat. ahahahaha.

Again, the RIGHT fella is WORTH the wait! :biggrin:

Here is a PROFECTION WHEEL.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/ProfectionWheel.jpg

[Kenoshamaensa]

My seventh house is *loaded*; I have 4 planets there, including Sun and Mercury, and Mercury rules it from Virgo. Distance between sun and Mercury could hard indicate my first marriage, as it's about 16 degrees. :-) I did marry young, but not quite that young! LOL! *Although*, come to think about it, I MET my future husband (and was, in fact, proposed to at 18, almost 19, and Uranus, first planet in the seventh house is, in fact, about 19 degrees from my son, (loosely) conjunct my descendant (whether it is or not depends on the orb allowed). But I'm not sure Uranus really functions here as the mark for the first marriage. 9th house [2nd marriage] is Scorpio ruled by Pluto ... which is in an exact conjunction (.01 difference) with Mercury ... which presents the same problem as Mercury signifying my first marriage. I was a long way from marrying or marriagable at 15. :-)

Speaking of marriage indicators, what are the thoughts of y'all on use of the Verte as well as descendant?

[BobZemco]

I was also taught to check our PROFECTIONS.

I like confirmation. I can usually pick transits and directions fairly well, but I still like to look at Profections or Solar and Lunar Returns for that additional confirmation.

That's a nice Profection Wheel.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Bob, I was THRILLED when I happened upon that wheel. lol.

What I really appreciate is that it doesn't matter if you don't even know your rising sign. Just go to the age and see what house emphasis will occur on a given year.

[Kenoshamaensa]

I was also taught to check our PROFECTIONS. That's where each year you graduate a SIGN for your rising so that every 12th year (since we start at ZERO) we repeat our natal rising sign. WHEN you profect to what is typically your 7th house rising then that is your focus that year. Or I would also think that, for example, since I am Pisces rising....after my birthday next Wed I profect to a Virgo rising which is my 7th house.

HOWEVER, with transiting Saturn in Libra squaring my natal Venus in Cancer 17 degrees....where it'll retrograde so I'll get a 3 time pass over.....I am thinking that will null and void my 7th house focus this time.

This is possibly a really stupid question, but the idea of profections is new to me and I'm trying to put together in my head how to understand them, so bear with me.

You'd said above that you'll graduate to your 7th house sign, making that your focus, as you have Pisces Rising (which I do as well). That would make Mercury the ruler of the 7th. But then were talking about the Saturn square to Venus as (possibly) negating that 7th house focus. If Mercury is the ruler of Virgo, why would Venus matter? Or is it just the usual association of Venus with the 7th as Libra is the traditional ruler?

Also, to what degree would one look at the 9th (then 11th) for 2nd and 3rd marriages, instead of the 7th?

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

When using the profection wheel the numbers are your AGE. Then note what house is the focus. I turn 54 so that means 7th house is my focus and Mercury more prominent this year since I profect to Virgo rising.

When I was talking about about Saturn in Libra that was squaring MY PERSONAL NATAL Venus in Cancer. So unless you have Venus in a cardinal sign Saturn won't be giving you the grief of a hard aspect to your natal Venus.

I am at work so can't see the graphics and work also blocks photobucket and image shack, etc.

[Kenoshamaensa]

Ah, I get it. I was simply trying to connect two things that weren't necessarily connected, so figured I'd missed something there. :-) Thanks.

(My Venus isn't getting hit by the fun stuff in the sky, my Sun is instead [it's at .54 Libra]. It's creating a different sort of havoc, but thankfully Saturn is about to move off of it entirely after several passes. Uranus & Jupiter aren't done with me yet. Ha.)

[kbell]

I looked at my progressed chart for the day I got married to my ex husband. The things I noticed was that the planet in my natal 7th was transiting the 5th and in Taurus. That could be coincidence though since it was the moon and I just had a baby.

Also progressed venus and mercury (mercury rules my 7th house) were within the same degree. Jupiter, my chart ruler was in the same degree as my IC.

Interesting.

[dr. farr]

The Greco/Roman astrologers made very extensive use of profections in predictive work; the method deserves much more attention than it has been accorded over the past 100 years; I favor it far more than transits (no offense, please!), and I believe I frequently derive more specific indications from it than from simple symbolic progression or even Solar Returns (of course I often follow the advice of Charles Carter and compare indications from 2 or sometimes all 3 of the methods applied to the subject chart)
The wonderful profection chart above, and Amy's excellent comments, represent the original concepts regarding profection and "how to profect", and these should be followed by all beginners and other interested students. However, I have been influenced a great deal by Paulus Alexandrianus and Olympiodorus in their slight modification of profection: except for them, all ancient astologers applied the profection starting at 0 years of age (exactly as shown on the profection wheel); thus at age 12 the cycle starts again, then at 24, and so on. Paulus/Olympiodorus start at the "first year of life", so, in a way, their profection is by a factor of 13 (not of 12 as found in all other authorities**) Thus, in Pauline profection, the cycle begins at "1", then the cycle starts again at 13, then at 26, and so on. Technically this is INCORRECT (compared with all other historical authorities), yet this is the method I have come to practice relative to profections, and which has worked extremely well for me (I am not advocating this Pauline profection to any persons other than advanced practitioners, and to them only for experimental purposes)
There are several examples of Pauline profection which I had posted on skyscript, and an example here on AW are my posts to the thread "Cause of Death" (by AW member Backy) in the Natal Astrology section. Another AW member also made posts to that thread based upon the (historically) "correct" way to do profections (the by 12 method, rather than the Pauline by 13), and it is interesting to compare the differences between the indications derived by each method, as elaborated in hose postings.


(**Paulus-358 AD-also used a "by 13" calculation for dodekatemorion ramifications, rather than the more ancient "by 12" calculation-also known as Egyptian dodekatemorion-followed by virtually all of the other hellenist authorities, from Dorotheus of Sidon on down through Rhetorius)

[gummybearie]

What's the age of marriage from my chart? I have attached natal, progressions and solar arc combined chart. Thanks!!!

[Claire19]

If the method doesnt work for everyone it is not a basic tenet to be used.
Marriage shows only when there are transits to the 7th house regardless of what degree may be between Mars, Venus or whatever....that this may seem to work for some is merely co-incidence and there has to be other factors at play.

[Veronica]

Some further titbits or links worth researching then...

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/ (http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/)

Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading-----
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Start with the 7th House as the 1st marriage and go counterclockwise around the wheel, skipping every other house, to see all other marriages. To find out more about your first marriage partner, turn your horoscope wheel upside down so that the Seventh House is on the left side, where the First house is normally located. Then, Re-number the houses. House number 7 becomes house 1, the 8th house becomes house 2, and so on. Now read that chart as if it were the horoscope of your marriage partner.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm)

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255)




I have the Carol Rushman book great book... I love it... covers up a lot of material...

[juicey J.]

I just dont give any validity to these methods. For me it would be 46 for Sun Venus distance, distance from Mars to Venus 5, and so on with none of the other figures valid. If it works it is just co-incidence in my opinion.

We must look at the transits to the 5th house for romance, the ruler of 5th and its aspects.Any planets in the houses 7th house for long term commitment, ruler and aspects.Venus and Mars signs and aspects for type of lover and circumstances where likely to meet etc.

Claire

I totally agree with you.

[dr. farr]

I myself have always had doubts about the various distance methods; I much prefer comparison of the hints provided by profection, progression and (although I use a radically different approach to them) transits...

[human]

That's either 187 or 31 - I'll take 31! lol

[DreamingTheSeas]

How i calculate the distances between planets? For example my Venus is 3,40 of Aries and my sun 17,6 in Aquarius.

[akp124]

Too much info for my small insignificant brain! I read every single post here and still can't figure it out. :sad:

If I did it right ( which I'm pretty sure I didn't), then it would be either
13 or 32? or maybe 21 or 8?

[Acharyashushil]

Dear Respected members,
regarding timing of marriage , it is perfectly posible through astrology but as per my own experience their is no fix farmula for knowing marriage time, but if you want to know that it is perfectly possible through anaylise of natal chart, as per my own experience the (1) sevent house, for permanent relasionship with a contect person like life partner, after social recogination
(2) The second house this house sown the family if seventh's lord as per transit getting enterence in second house mean a person who in contect with you is want to inter in your family
(3) The thierd and the main house is 11th house which sown the fulfill of disirse
if the all houses and the lords of that houses is jointly oprated as transit then it is indication of marriage .

[Erickaf]

I have Virgo on my 7th house cusp with Mercury located there. Mercury definitely plays a prominent role in my significant relationships.

My composite chart with my x husband and our marriage of 24 years had our midheaven on the same degree as my natal Mercury. Mercury is also the final depositor of my natal chart.
that is interesting and good luck to you.
i was looking at brad pitts chart he's been married twice but he has so many long term relationships.
brad has seventh house ruler mercury too, would jennifer aniston be described as mercury in capricorn in the 2nd and angie ruler of the 9th second marriage, sun in sagittarius? angie does seem very solar to me.

[Erickaf]

here is brad's chart...

[Libra90]

Hello ,

Can somebody help me translate my natal and progress chart. I want to know at what age I'm going to get married and when will i expect to conceive my first child. I really appreciate it and thank you.
http://http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/fashionista_g/1b906d12.gif
http://http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/fashionista_g/1b906d12.gif


Ana

[Libra90]

Hello Libra20,

Can you help me figure out at what age i'm going to get married and conceive my first child. Thank you.
http://http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/fashionista_g/1b906d12.gif

[Claire19]

Hi,

there might be something about it. Once I was told by an astrologer that the love of my life I will meet at the age of 36 - and guess what - the distance between Sun and Venus is also 36 degrees!

Wave.
That is merely co-incidence. My Sun and Venus are 45 degrees apart and I didnt meet the love of my life at 45. Also the transits to the 7th house and following on from the 5th denote marriage. Some people have Sun conjunct Venus so they are babies under that theory. It doesnt hold water.. Have you met anyone at the age of 36??? WHy this theory persists is beyond me, if it doesnt work for all, it doesnt work for any...

[astrologer50]

Dear Respected members,
regarding timing of marriage , it is perfectly posible through astrology but as per my own experience their is no fix farmula for knowing marriage time, [well this seems very contradictory sentence ]but if you want to know that it is perfectly possible through anaylise of natal chart, as per my own experience the (1) sevent house, for permanent relasionship with a contect person like life partner, after social recogination
(2) The second house this house sown the family if seventh's lord as per transit getting enterence in second house mean a person who in contect with you is want to inter in your family [really? so 4th house doesn't mean family any more? to me this could suggest wanting a partner with same values or beliefs or poss even earn money together]
(3) The thierd and the main house [main house for what? in my world it's communications....]is 11th house which sown the fulfill of disirse [true hopes and wishes are in here]
if the all houses and the lords of that houses is jointly oprated as transit then it is indication of marriage .

interesting theory :surprised:

ruler of MY 7the leo/sun, ruler of 5th gemini/mercury-- first marriage.
In my own chart nothing was aspecting planets in my 7th, nothing to ruler of 7th. There was T Uranus opp venus - yes is was sudden (shot gun wedding) T Jupiter was square to Juno. prog ceres was square pluto 7th.....prog sun (ruler of 7th) was square to n pluto late 7th conj 8th. this is the only indicator I can find..

solar arc moon conj 1' approach mercury (ruler of 5th) solar arc juno conj moon. SA saturn conj Asc/MC midpoint, it was a rather serious, somber event..

2nd marriage. SA juno conj natal venus,prog venus sextile n pluto in 7th. prog merc conj n ceres/ruler of 5th. SA moon sextile uranus (7th) SA mars conj sun/moon midpoint and n uranus/1st house ruler. SA jupiter conj n neptune & opp n moon. SA pof sextile n merc, prog pof trine n venus

So when you cannot find connections with progressions or transits, look to solar arcs and vertex, juno, ceres and POF....

[astrologer50]

Bob, I was THRILLED when I happened upon that wheel. lol.[BUT it didn't work!!]

What I really appreciate is that it doesn't matter if you don't even know your rising sign. Just go to the age and see what house emphasis will occur on a given year.

yes, but even with profections it didn't bring results....:innocent:

something big or meaningful, needs to be seen in more than just one predictive technique...

using profections, this year my 7th is highlighted, BUT (I have a partner of sorts...) it's more a business partnership/working together, but this has been going on for past 4years, so I cannot (hand on heart) say this year alone is highlighting marriage or relationships....

here's a good site, looking into Juno and marriage

http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html (http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html)

[astrologer50]

Hello Libra20,

Can you help me figure out at what age i'm going to get married and conceive my first child. Thank you.
http://http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/fashionista_g/1b906d12.gif

THIS thread is for discussing *marriage* not conceiving first child. If you have read anything of this thread, there is NO signature or method that is 100% accurate. So rather than realying on external things like astrology, be positive, go socialising, make things happen. Don't sit back and think everything is written in the stars...:love:

I haven't seen much mention on here as to the use of SOLAR ARCS which can also be another easy technique for delination and well worth studying and very easy for beginners, who have the basic knowledge of astrology, signs, planets, houses... etc..

Predicting marriage and/or having children can sometimes be done, in general terms but it is not easy, time consuming and intricate. There are lots of things to take into consideration like, secondary progressions, what inter-aspects one chart makes to another, Solar arcs, Solar returns, Transits etc
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255)

Symbolic Directions in Modern Astrology – book by

By Charles E. Carter
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astrology+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astrology+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)

solar arcs & secondary progressions
http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf (http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf)

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf (http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html)
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm (http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm)
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm (http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm)
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm (http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm )
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf (http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/GraphicRectification.pdf)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html)
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm (http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm)
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm (http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm)
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm (http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm )
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf (http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/GraphicRectification.pdf)

[Claire19]

REVELATION! I think I now understand what this method is based upon.

I've been looking at my progressed chart. In the year that I turn 42, there is a double conjunction of progressed Sun and progressed Venus on the exact degree of my natal Venus, all in the seventh house. If EVER I am going to come close to marriage, surely it's likely to be in the year I turn 42 :p. Given that the conjunction is on 1"Aqua, it might not be "marriage" in the write dress, religious format, but nor am I likely to want it to be :D

Using the method suggested I got "43", the distance between Sun-Venus.

I think this method is grounded upon the fact that in secondary progressions, many of your personal planets, other than the moon, move at *about* one degree a year (averaging out retrogrades). Therefore, if you have two personal planets "x" degrees apart, you're likely to have a "conjunction" of one progressed planet to the other natal in about "x" years. Actually, this may prove even more accurate with Solar Arc charts, which is another timing tool. In a solar arc chart, ALL planets move direct at *about* one degree a year, meaning that a conjunction between two planets of "x" degrees apart will happen almost reliably in "x" years.

Of course, the conjunction of progressed or solar arc personal planets (with eachother, or with natals) doesn't "mean" marriage, or a marriage like relationship. I would guess a conjunction Mars/Venus, or Sun/Venus as the most likely "marriage like" signifiers, especially if a natal planet or the descendant is involved. However, reality dictates that if like Arian, your personal planets conjunct at an age where you (or your parents!) are not really keen on marriage, it ain't gonna happen :p

So, what do you think? Have I revealed the logic behind what might otherwise appear as a kooky astrological technique? I am going to be unbearably proud of myself if I have :D

I do have faith in progressions to indicate timing of things such as relationships. I met someone very important to me when my progresed descendant hit natal Venus (and as a lesser signifier, progressed Moon conjunct Venus in 7H)

None of what you state is true. The 7th has to have transits for marriage or commitment to occur. Full stop. Whatever the configurations....The 5th for romance and love. Simple. No other methods or calculations....sorry.... You are making a complicated subject even more complex.....:smile: YOu may have met someone important but did you marry? Does natal Moon conjunct Venus. Does Venus aspect the descendant natally??? If the transits or progressions did not match up in the natal chart aspects then no.

[CapAquaPis]

That is merely co-incidence. My Sun and Venus are 45 degrees apart and I didnt meet the love of my life at 45. Also the transits to the 7th house and following on from the 5th denote marriage. Some people have Sun conjunct Venus so they are babies under that theory. It doesnt hold water.. Have you met anyone at the age of 36???

Same thing with me, Claire. :tongue: The Sun in Aquarius (my 8th house of strong sexual fervor) and Venus in Aries (my 10th house means powerful romance), so I'm not feeling far behind in finding romance and love, and to read our two charts have the separation of the two ruling bodies, I may have to wait 'til my mid-30s for love I'm sure is worth dating or marrying. :sideways:

[astrologer50]

None of what you state is true. The 7th has to have transits for marriage or commitment to occur. Full stop. Whatever the configurations....The 5th for romance and love. Simple. No other methods or calculations....sorry.... You are making a complicated subject even more complex.....:smile: YOu may have met someone important but did you marry? Does natal Moon conjunct Venus. Does Venus aspect the descendant natally??? If the transits or progressions did not match up in the natal chart aspects then no.

As explained a couple posts earlier, I didn't have any transits to 7th house ruler,planets in 7th. So I do think this 'full stop' advice is limited and possibly incorrect:smile:

[Claire19]

The distance method did not work for me either. I tried all combinations and the age of marriage was predicted wrong. have not tried progressions.
Again, the 7th house has to be involved for marriage, no ifs or buts, or transits elsewhere. So dont waste your time with all sorts of combinations. Astrological principles remain and no amount of theorising will change that.

[astrologer50]

That is merely co-incidence. My Sun and Venus are 45 degrees apart and I didnt meet the love of my life at 45. Also the transits to the 7th house and following on from the 5th denote marriage. Some people have Sun conjunct Venus so they are babies under that theory. It doesnt hold water.. Have you met anyone at the age of 36??? WHy this theory persists is beyond me, if it doesnt work for all, it doesnt work for any...

my sun is conj venus at 4'30" apart, so this theory didn't work for me. But I did get 4other hits before sun changed signs..... This theory is not black and white, but shades of grey. It's a starting point....

If some members get results that's great, if not then look at other things, like solar arcs, vertex, juno and others, maybe midpoints even

[virgo18]

With that technique: It gives me like 60! LOL


Does this technique count that all zodiac signs represent different amounts of time?

I count the degrees of separation (CC) between my Moon and my Descendant. So it gave me 25 degrees. Reasonable :pinched:

Some astrologer told me it will happen when I turn 22. Nothing has happened.

This is funny.

[surit4]

I read the following in an article and I was wondering if anyone else had heard of this or had any opinion on its accuracy. It worked for one of my brothers, but none of the other charts I looked at.

Frequently your age at marriage is plainly indicated right in your natal chart. Just look at the distance in zodiacal degrees between any two of the heavenly bodies symbolic of male and female, love and passion--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Often the number of degrees between two of these "love planets" will equate to your age at a major romance or at marriage.

I should caution that this method doesn't always work. Sometimes you'll need more sophisticated calculations.

Look first for the distance in degrees between Venus, the planet of love, and your natal Sun. Venus is usually close to the Sun by zodiacal degree, and is one of the most important marriage indicators.

Next look for the distances between any of the other four "love planets"--Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars. Check out also the distance between any of these four planets and the Ascendant or Midheaven. Each degree of distance will equate roughly to a year of your life.
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Interesting, so what happens when the sun is in conjunct with Venus natally?

[crabbiemoon]

Hi all,

I'm a noob to all of this depth, but I want to understand. I am unmarried, have been engaged a few times (third time in 2009, ended it in 2011), just didn't make it to the alter. I want to get married, but i have to be sure. it's hard enough to stand being in a committed relationship with a man and you get your heart broken and break up, it's another to be married to him and find out i've made a huge mistake at my age in my first marriage. i don't know, maybe i've missed the opportunity, but i just didn't want to get married for the wrong reasons. i'm 52, raised my kids and want a meaningful relationship that will lead to marriage. here are my placements of the major players? could someone "dum this down" alot to help me discover more about how to do the calculations? Thanks.

at birth (cafeastrology.com)
Sun Pisces 0.09 Asc Pisces 26.17
Moon Cancer 12.12 II Taurus 7.03
Merc Pisces 4.32 III Gemini 5.11
Ven Pisces 23.56 IV Gemini 27.53
Mars Gemini 4.01 V Cancer 20.16

progressed (astrodienst)
sun 22 aries 45'
moon 20 gem 21'
merc 0 aries 43'
ven 28 tau 17'
mars 1 can 42'

[cherful24]

I don't get? I tried to do mine, but the numbers are not working out. Could someone please help? Below is the link(s) to my natal chart. I tried to post the chart onto this page, but it didn't work

Thanks!!!

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[DiDi]

I personally think if you marry on the degree of your claculated venus to sun its a co-insidence... venus is never too far away so its quite common to marry within these plannets

I have 25 aqu sun and 11 aqu venus... i didnt marry at 14 ?

there really is far more to it than that.

I married age 20.4 yrs
venus prog to my natal saturn...venus is ruler of my 7th H
sun progressed to my natal chiron
jupiter is a planet in my 7th (18.08) progressed to natal pof (8.14) 20.6 yrs so a space of a few months pretty close.

so yes 7th house and its plantets are involved
+ sun and venus to look.
dont forget to look at your progressions

[ANKUSH KOHLI]

respect sir, ANKUSH KOHLI,AGE-11-03-1985,TIME-11 AM,BIRTH PLACE- JAMMU

[Angels]

Some further titbits or links worth researching then...

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/ (http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/blog/2008/02/10/the-evolution-of-love/)

Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading-----
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrology+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Start with the 7th House as the 1st marriage and go counterclockwise around the wheel, skipping every other house, to see all other marriages. To find out more about your first marriage partner, turn your horoscope wheel upside down so that the Seventh House is on the left side, where the First house is normally located. Then, Re-number the houses. House number 7 becomes house 1, the 8th house becomes house 2, and so on. Now read that chart as if it were the horoscope of your marriage partner.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm)

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255)



So true i research on this yesterday (before i look into this post)

My ex (1st & only) husband's chart is just a mirror image of mine. Where the place his MOON is located is just the place my sun is. My 1st house is his 7th house. My MC is his AC & so on...:)