the common origin of the words saturn and satan (and other christian mistakes)

[asmodee]

After a few research at the library...I mean : on the internet, I discovered that the words Saturn and Satan have the same origin.

To the ancient astrologers (and philosophers) Saturn was the last planet.
I mean the farthest planet from the sun. The sun was associated with light, heat and good. Saturn was the planet least exposed to light. It was associated with cold and black.:bandit: it was the planet of adversity, limitations, of trials. He was not evil. .

So Saturn was associated with the limitations that come with the incarnation of the soul in the material world (the aging, the pain, the basic needs, food, warmth, etc)

To the ancient greeks Pan represented the inferior nature of man, with his animal part. As a representation of the inferior nature of man, he was associated with Saturn.


And then later, long after the people tortured and killed one of the nicest guys ever (Jesus), they started inventing ways of making people feel guilty and scared..

That is when Saturn became Satan, and the idea of "adversity" was probably out of grasp for their very primitive minds,so they replaced "adversity" with "evil" which was probably a better argument to burn witches, alchemists and astrologers.
And the inferior, animal part of man (Pan) became the Devil. The repression of the sexual instincts was one of the surest ways to make people feel weak.

That is why satan looks a lot like a capricorn-man : goat feet, a tail, goat horns, a goatee, and a triangle shaped-face.

Satan was originally not the "temptator" but the "tester", because that is what Saturn does : saturn TESTS YOU : when you have a saturn transit you are tested in that area.

That's just one of the many mistakes of the old christian church.
Or maybe it was their strategy : mixing everything up until it doesn't mean anything so that they can enslave a disoriented humanity.
Fortunately, the age of aquarius is bringing a new light.

And of course, but you already know that, the word saturday comes from there too.

NEXT : Lucifer, he who brings light to humanity

[Mark]

It is worth noting that the "OM" thing functions on a vibrational level. It is meant to assist the mind of the chanter in entering the correct state for clean work. It's the purity of mind and soul that really makes the difference. The sound is just a sound until it has an effect on the mind. A good question to ask is, "Which me is doing the work?" The higher self (Universal consciousness, Christ consciousness, et cetera) is the mind that works in harmony with all else, so it is the best to use for making changes. It's also the one which sees clearly when all else is confused. Remember that everything external to you is a reflection of that which is internal. God is within!

As to "Satan," it's good to remember that every spirit is a consciousness and every consciousness is a spirit. Just as Christ is both a spirit which exists unto Itself (yet is part of the One) and a consciousness to be embodied, so it is with all spirits. This means that they exist both in macrocosm and microcosm. True existence (latent, without manifestation, infinite) is the macrocosm and manifestation (embodiment, within bounds) is the microcosm. I don't think that the spirit of "Satan" has all that much to do with the plane (or the planet) of Saturn. I think men have assigned this meaning as a value judgment, based on the influential behaviour of Saturn. People don't like being made to work and learn on what could have been an easy day. To lesser-minded individuals, Saturn is mean to you and makes you work hard. In actuality, Saturn, as the plane and planet, is an important teacher and holds no malice at all. It's characteristics seem to be quite different than what is normally attributed to "Satan." Then again, the idea of "Satan" has undergone quite a few transformations too. It's an interesting discussion.

"Santa is an anagram." :wink:

May you find Peace and Love in your journeys. Namaste.

[Mark]

What you said makes sense as a technique. I was just trying to point out that quacking "OM" every so often doesn't help anything if it's used as nothing more than "spiritual punctuation." It's something deeper than mundane speech. That is to say that you must speak with your soul, rather than your mouth, and the verbally-produced vibration of "OM" helps in that process.

[rahu]

just an added note to saturn.
in esoteric astrolgy the rings of saturn are referred to as "the ring pass not pass'.what this means is that everything from earth to satrurn is under his rule but beyong the saturns orbit lies the planes of spirit and soul.
saturns ring gave the power to see and travel with the spirit behind maya.
as such saturn was ruler of adeptship,which means that one had learned the causal dynamics of reality and now could amplify their knowledge on the higher planes of soul and spirit.this why some begining student are confused about satrun co rulership of aquariius.saturn has a "spiritual" aspect but spiritual discipline must be applied to the ego before these dynamics can be deployed.and with current society choking on decadence,this can be very difficult to conceive.

rahu

[RockFish]

Hi asmodee,

Glad that you posted it, very intriguing post, I loved it, I love the historical perspective of it, since the religious and mystic explanations are always way "out there" for me.

I believe in a lot of things and I too had a catholic upbringing, but I wasn't offended in the least.

Thanks for your info and hope you have more of these juicy tidbits. :lol: