Karmic Soulmates?

[DoubleLibra]

I was wondering if someone could look at this composite chart with an ex-Aquarius that keeps coming in and out of my life, and not in a good way. This last contact he made with me was so disturbing that it's forcing me to look at this connection we have. He said something to the fact that I was helping him realize why we didn't work out. He knows I'm in a committed relationship with someone else but seems to still reach out to me. Also, he crosses my mind alot even though I know our relationship was real unhealthy, and to me felt like a fantasy .. too good to be true.

I know we have some type of karmic connection but not quite sure what it is?

Chart Link -
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/ldayers1967/CompositeChartwithAquarius.gif

Thank You

[DoubleLibra]

Have to keep clicking bottom left of screen to be able make charts larger

[milkywaygirl]

looking at your synastry, you have a few saturn-personal planet aspects which are indicative of karmic ties. (his saturn trine your moon; your saturn semisquare his sun, sextile his mercury, square his venus) - these are just the really tight aspects but you have some looser trines as well.

this says to me that he is much more "attached" to you in a karmic way than you are him; you are engaging him on multiple levels, whereas he engages you karmically mostly on an emotional level.

his saturn is also sitting in your 8th house, which says that he has something to teach you about the matters of that house. probably something to do wtih how he keeps on coming in and out of your life but not in a good way.

the other striking thing about your synastry is that in your 12th house you have your sun conjunct his uranus, and your uranus conjunct his moon, and both your plutos are hanging around that second conjunction, just on the outskirts. uranus/sun and uranus/moon conjunctions are really magnetic forces in synastry; you can feel really stupefied and propelled by unseen forces towards someone even though you may know that they are totally wrong for you. its a real magnetic attraction, but its very unstable; comes and goes, sometimes goes for years and comes back unexpectedly out of nowhere. sometimes it manifests as two people meeting in the oddest of circumstances. with your plutos flanking your uranus-his moon conjunction, thats a lot of depth, pull and intensity there, and to add to that this is all goign down in your 12th house.. i can see why you are wondering about this relationship.

i didnt look at your synastry as a whole very instensely, but just from the uranus aspects i would say that this relationship is something best left to be what it is; but i'm sure you know this. you'll probably deal with a push and pull with him for a while, just try to learn your lessons from it and not let it consume you. your personal planets dont form many blatantly harmonious aspects and you have mercury square mercury - you arent immediately mentally compatible; you just think in different ways and this causes friction.

anyway thats what i got hope it helps!

[milkywaygirl]

oh yeah just wanted to add, the dynamics of uranus-sun and uranus moon include a degree of attraction-repulsion. this is probably a theme for you (and him) in this relationship; feeling intense attraction to him then feeling disgust for having that attraction (or for him), and then going back and forth over and over again.

[Shining Ray]

Hi DoubleLibra,

What worries me about your chart is you have Aries on the cusp of your 7th and it's ruler Mars is square to Pluto. You say you have had an unhealthy relationship with this man before, yet you are still drawn to him.

Mars square Pluto can be an abusive aspect, or maybe a partner tries to control you or manipulate you. I will have a look at your synastry to see if I can find out any more about the relationship. Sorry if I am wrong about the Mars/Pluto aspect it is a very tight aspect you have between these two planets.

Shining Ray

[DoubleLibra]

"this says to me that he is much more "attached" to you in a karmic way than you are him; you are engaging him on multiple levels, whereas he engages you karmically mostly on an emotional level."

Yes he was and I believe still is attached more to me than I was or am to him. The things he has said to me, blows my mind ... Like if I am the Ocean you are the Sand, everything in reference to us being "One".

"uranus/sun and uranus/moon conjunctions are really magnetic forces in synastry; you can feel really stupefied and propelled by unseen forces towards someone even though you may know that they are totally wrong for you."

I know this person wasn't good for me. I call him Jeykl and Hyde. He can be the sweetest person saying the most loving things, and the next if you say something he might not like, turn and be cold and very vindictive.

And yes we don't think in the same way at all. I felt like I always had to watch my words with him. Like he was critquing everything I said.

Very Deep, Intense, Eyes that stare thru you, Emotional man.

I know now, having the loving partner I have that I would never return to this man. He's not good for me.

Thank you so much for your insight.

[DoubleLibra]

Oh my goodness!! YES ... I just read your second post. That's exactly how it played out. I would get a "rush" from him, but then afterwards feel really low. It's almost like he was a Drug to me. Not healthy at all.

[DoubleLibra]

"Mars square Pluto can be an abusive aspect, or maybe a partner tries to control you or manipulate you. I will have a look at your synastry to see if I can find out any more about the relationship."

Very controlling, very manipulating. He has said to me now, you've changed .. I wish your head was in the same place as mine. He knows that he can't control or manipulate me anymore and I think it really bothers him.

Like I was saying, I'm in a loving, committed relationship. I would never give up what I have now for what I called a "Fantasy" relationship with him.

[Shining Ray]

Hi DoubleLibra,

I will highlight some of the aspects in your synastry chart between you and your ex. This is from my computer program.

Uranus/Sun

The odd coupling

This is a bit like sunshine and lightening coming into exciting and flashy contact. You both feel very plugged into one another, but it is rather like trying to hold a 10,000 volt charge steady. this is an odd interaction because it seems to promise or threaten so much but, like lightening or sunshine, it can be gone in an instant. However, for as long as you can stay steady enough or even try to be in each others presence, you can both experiance some strange and extraordinary sensations - some thrilling some uncomfortable. There is also an underlying sense of 'where is one supposed to be going'? and what happens next?. This of course adds to the crackle and sizzle between the two of you, but it also points to the innate instability of this contact - at least for any ongoing emotional relationship. It has to be said that this is very unlikely, a word to describe you two as a couple should you become one. But still this electromagnetic connection persists.

Moon/Uranus

Emotional reorientation

This interaction between you provides excitement but little, if any security. The more needy of you in particular should guard against expectations of comfort and predictability because they are not about to get it from the other more cool person. In fact the very reason 'needy' has been attracted to 'cool' is because their unconscious is trying to tell them 'via cool' , that it is time for them to review past attachments and outworn ideas of being settled. This interaction also spells out for the 'needy person' the necessity of not being so attached to another human being (or anything else) for this smacks of their inner child running the show - or rather ruining it - with past agendas that now need seeing too. The 'cool person' is the catalyst for this process, and as such can feel anything from uncomfortably distant to quite taken with being agent of change in someones life. There is a more subliminal effect that 'cool' should be aware of, and this is that they should perhaps become more emotionally aware and expressive, while the 'needy' person id forced to be more cool and detached. In English this means that the 'cool' person has become too remote and emotionally distant, and the 'needy person can show them how to become more in touch with their feelings. By way of exchange the 'needy' person learns to cultivate a measure of emotional distance. This is not a stable interaction for it's dynamic is one of emotional change and reorientation. But because the experiencing of this is so important for both of you, you are strongly attracted to one another. For this reason this interaction can at times appear 'unfair' or 'impossible' as it seems not to offer anything that is expected of the conventional relationship. But the only thing you can expect from this interaction is the unexpected, as it will bring about surprise events that are in aid of waking you up to the need to change your respective emotional dispositions or situations.

Moon/Pluto

Emotional Intensity

This very intense interaction will take you down to some very deep emotions and churn them to the surface. In fact you could go as far to say this is some sort of emotional initiation, for it will transform the way you feel about yourselves, as individuals and as a couple. The sexual dimension, real or imagined, is a key area for the compulsions and desire and need that drive this interaction cementing you together or driving you apart, depending on how such intense feelings are managed. Sometimes you can feel so overwhelmed with intensity, causing one of you the 'susceptible' person to withdraw from the onslaughts of the other 'obsessive' person - but it can happen the other way around. But the emotional 'elastic' persists in bringing you back together again and again, no matter what. Such swinging back and forth between feelings of extreme closeness and painful distance (or painful closeness) can be very trying and even despair inducing.

Mars Conjunct Mars

Hot! Hot! Hot!

This interaction had better be sexual, sporting or very active in some way. This is because otherwise it could degenerate interminable battles as the raw or competitive energy created by the two of you being together finds nowhere positive to go.

If one or the other of you is not very assertive or sure of your act, this interaction should teach you to be so - or you will get knocked down and pushed around. You react to each other rather than relate to one another. If you could both harness this drive then you could achieve a great deal together.

You also have a Sun Square Neptune aspect in your synastry which could be connected to your fascination and illusion of this relationship the fantasy feel you say you have with your ex partner.

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

Hi DoubleLibra,

You should certainly stay in the relationship you have now if it is healthy for you. You probably learned a lot of hard lessons by being with your ex, but I hope it has made you stronger and you don't let anyone manipulate you ever again.

Shining Ray

[DoubleLibra]

Hi Shining Ray,

Thank you so much for delving into this deeper for me.

Uranus/Sun .... Odd Coupling

This fits he and I to a "T" There is and probably always will be "sparks" between each other, but it's also a very unstable connection. You mentioned that some sensations may be "thrilling" and others uncomfortable...It's like I would feel so "high" off of him and felt like it had to be love, but then there would be times that he made me feel so belittled and down.

Moon/Uranus ...

No SECURITY at all with this man. He wanted me to pack up and move to California to be with him. I luckily had enough sense in me to know this would be the craziest thing I could do.

In the beginning of this relationship I was the "Needy" one, and he was the "Cool, Detached" one. As I've gotten wiser LOL :rolleyes: and stronger and able to pull away from him even before meeting my current partner, it seems like the tables have turned and now he's "needing" me and I'm "distancing myself".

Moon/Pluto ...

The sexual dimension was forgive me for being so detailed, but it was like having "Tantric Sex" with him...very deep, connected experience that I've never experienced with anyone else. I also believe that was our strongest area. He would always say to me, we do best when we're making love and not talking, and it was true because our communication always seemed to end up in disagreement.

Mars Conjunct Mars

Yes again (Sex) the strongest aspect of our relationship! I think we both got a "high" off of it. I wasn't assertive when we met was very insecure, and he definitely took advantage of that. Now that I've changed, I don't think he knows how to accept this :)

Thanks for explaining the Fantasy aspect because I do feel it was all a fantasy. There could never be anything solid between us.

Thank you sweetie. I agree he really tore down my self-esteem. Luckily, I broke out of the relationship and found someone that truly loves me.

[Francesca]

DoubleLibra, I hope you don't resent this, but I found these responses so interesting, I also want to post my chart with an ex's to see why I can't forget this man. I have been obsessed with him for a long time, as he was the only person in my life that I ever loved. Yes, Really! I will try to drag both charts here and hope that the people who answered you will come back and post again. Thanks

[Francesca]

Here's his:http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1520/poopheadks4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Francesca]

Here's me:http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2948/mineli7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[DoubleLibra]

Hi Francesca, No not at all ... You are probably wondering like me why do I have such a strong pull to an ex. I understand. In your case it sounds like you really loved this man. Was it mutual to part ways, or one-sided?

Hopefully someone can help you understand the aspects in your charts.

[DoubleLibra]

With Mercury RX (In Scorpio) approaching us once again and "Ex's" coming back into the picture, I'm wondering if my natal Scorpio in Mercury (intuition) is causing me to look deeper at this soulmate connection :confused: It dawned on me yesterday, that after all these years, I'm finally ready to get to the bottom of why my obsession with this man.

Can anyone explain the connection and Scorpio in Mercury?

[Francesca]

Thanks, DoubleLibra, I'm glad you're not annoyed. We parted because I rejected his advances due to fear of closeness.

Re: merc rx, yes, it sounds reasonable to me. Scorpio always wants to get to the bottum of things. When merc stations, then returns over your natal merc, you will probably have resolved the issue. He sounds like a good candidate for "resolution".

[DoubleLibra]

Hi Francesca .. You mention parting because you rejected his advances due to fear of closeness. Do you still have contact with this person? It sounds to me like you might be regretting the fact that you didn't give him a chance. Am I reading this right?

They say in karmic relationships that you will come back again and again until your lesson is learned. I know this has been true for me. I think I've finally learned what I need to learn from this ex Aquarius. In my situation, it's a feeling of relief because I've felt chained by him.

Thanks for the insight on Mercury in Scorpio. It's been hitting me strong recently. And I'm feeling ready like you said to "resolve" this.

[Francesca]

Oh, I regret it terribly, and have been literally obsessed for months, even though our relationship was years in the past. Every time I do an horary on the subject, Sorehearted is urging me to "move on", but I seem to have little or no control over it. Even my solar return shows obsession squarely in the 8th house. Maybe next year. Good luck.

[DoubleLibra]

That's because it's a Karmic relationship, and moving on is "easier said than done" Believe me I know :rolleyes: So don't blame yourself sweetie you are just trying to understand the karmic connection you two have.

Maybe start a new thread with your chart. You might get more of a response.

[DoubleLibra]

http://www.karmicastrology.tv/relationships.htm

[milkywaygirl]

hey f i'll look at your synastry when i get a chance might be a minute though as i have some other stuff to focus on first! :D

[swanlimbus]

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