Venus Conjunct South Node in Synastry

[Dakota]

Hi - I posed this question in a different thread under natal astrology, but realized it's better placed here.

What's everyone's take on Venus conjunct (exactly) a partner's south node in synastry? Someone told me it indicated I was lovers with this person in a prior life. Is that the consensus?

Also, am very curious to know what people interested in relational astrology value more - synastry or composite charts?

Dakota

[wilsontc]

Dakota,

Any planet or point conjunct another person's South node (the past) indicates the "planet or point" person could hold back the "South node" person in some way.

For people who are just going out with and "discovering" each other, I use synastry charts only. For people who are in an established (long-term) relationship and want to understand how the relationship itself works, I look at composite charts.

Charting,

Tim

[Howl]

Hi Dakota and Tim,

I have been pondering a similar question - Mercury conjunct South Node in synastry. I'm aware of the idea that it is a personal goal to strive towards expressing your North Node, and so it makes sense that another's planets conjunct your South Node could "hold you back" from doing so.

However, I'm not convinced ;). My suspicion is that the nodal goal is more accurately to "balance" NNode and SNode expression. I've heard of people who entirely reject the values of their SNode, and sail passionately off in the direction of their NNode, creating imbalance. It probably all depends on the nature of your chart, and aspects to the Nodal axis. Perhaps if you have little support in your own chart for NNode expression, it would "hold you back" to have another person's planets conjunct your SNode. However, if your NNode is well "supported" in your own chart, perhaps another person's planets conjuncting your SNode will simply provide balance?

I am thinking about this because I have SNode in the 7H, and quite often magnetise people whose planets conjunct my SNode :). Surely it's not nescessary for me to avoid that attraction? Could it be that these people help to provide the type of relationship I need (7H) to personally express my NNode (1H)? Maybe I'm having an attack of Neptunian overoptimism :p

Thoughts, anyone?

[wilsontc]

Howl,

My thoughts are that the South node is something we ALREADY can use/do. So working MORE at it can simply hold us back. I have seen several charts with conjunctions (energy is combined with) to the South node and each person has felt "held back" in some way...they end up doing the same things they ALWAYS have done and are unable to move forward in their life. The North node is something we need to WORK at in order to do...it does NOT come easily. Even if there is energy conjunct the North node, it still takes work to express it.

The South/North node difference is most notable in looking at goals set as a child, compared to goals set as an adult. A child will tend to focus on South node goals. When the child grows and becomes and adult, North node issues become more important.

I have been talking about birth charts, but the same idea is present in synastry charts as well.

Nodally,

Tim

[Howl]

Thanks Tim. I was far more "South node" as a child, yes. I think what confuses me is that I have South node in 7H. So naturally, I attract people whose personal planets fall in my 7H and conjunct my South Node! My descendant magnet makes it so.

7H often indicates qualities that we tend to "give away", yet as South Node qualities, they are supposed to "belong to me" very strongly. I find this difficult to interpret...the best I can do is think that I may realise some of my S Node gifts "with" other people....but I would hate to think that relationships which satisfy my Descendant also necessarily "hold me back" spiritually.

spiritually confused ;)

Howl.

[lilllybelle]

I have a similar s.node situation. My venus and mars exactly conjunct my s.node. If I were to cut myself off from my s.node I would be cutting myself off from the love and passion in my life. I don't want to disconnect from my venus and mars. My north node is exactly conjunct my moon, so I get to manifest my north node qualites also. L.

[Howl]

Lucky you with the moon! My North node shares the same sign as my Ascendant, at least.

[wilsontc]

lilllybelle,

You said:
My venus and mars exactly conjunct my s.node. If I were to cut myself off from my s.node...I don't want to disconnect from my venus and mars. My north node is exactly conjunct my moon...

I don't think moving toward the North node is about "cutting ourself off" from ANYTHING in our charts. However, in your case, you may have found that Mars (being, also action, anger) conjunct (energy is combined with) Venus (relationships) are producing violent relationships which hold you back from moving on in your life (or, at least, so you have been writing to us! ;) ). So the goal is to accept these relationships WITHOUT becoming "attached" to them, while moving on to develop an emotional awareness of (Moon) of who you are and who you "feel" you want to be.

Lunally,

Tim

[wilsontc]

Howl,

You said:
I have South node in 7H...

This indicates focusing on relationships can hold you back in life...by always thinking about what THEY want you to do you never get a chance to do what YOU want to do. This South node could also be indicated by your own observation "I always have my arm around somebody in every picture of me!" While being around people is fine, being around others ALL the time can create a dependence on them...and an insecurity in yourself. This seems to indicate that the goal of developing 1rst house "being" is VERY important. Who is Howl? What does Howl want out of life? What would make life best for Howl? Answering some or all these questions about your being, about who, what, where, why are you is VERY important. And, as you know, learning astrology and your own chart is an important first step! ;)

Being,

Tim

[Howl]

Lilly, snoop your way over to the "our natal charts" thread and you'll find out just how right on you were with the Virgo Mercury comment :D you sassy astrologer, you!!

I am grumpy, grumpy because I don't see it and I am going to have a tantrum and walk away from my chart (particularly the nodes!) because I feel like all I do is post conflicting statements about who I am and what I do in order to prove different part of myself, and find myself unable to put observations into context. Tim when you sayWhile being around people is fine, being around others ALL the time can create a dependence on them...and an insecurity in yourself.
I say dammit, I am perfectly independent! AND more personally secure, comfortabe with my own company, than most people that I ever see. I do things on my own initiative and by myself that others never try. I do well single, I know what I want and I know how to go for it, too! It's just that I also adore people (and like you, Tim, they utterly fascinate me) and when I get to be around them, I want to touch them :p That's what you see in photos. Heheh, so where does that little response of mine come from? :D

Mary Mary quite contrary, if someone interprets my placements as possibly indicating "over" independence and lack of emotional receptivity, I launch into a tirade of proof that I am otherwise (No really, I am soft to the core, I do love, need and deeply feel for my friends and family!) Then if someone interprets my placements as possibly indicating "over" focus on others for my personal development, I try and poke them in the eye with my supposed fierce independence (No really, I travel alone, aim fearlessly for my personal hopes and ambitions, and know how to rely on myself first) Conclusion: I make no sense and nor does my chart :rolleyes:. I'm tired of hearing myself talk!


To be a human is to be a seething mass of contradiction. It is to seek peace but to relish argument. It is to be forever wanting to explode in fury whilst struggling to remain calm and contained. It is to be open-minded yet bitterly prejudiced; compassionate yet selfish; strong yet weak; arrogant yet insecure. It is to smile while feeling depressed; shout while feeling afraid; and to act restrained whilst waves of passion surge secretly through you. This is fine. You are entitled to be inconsistent - Jonothan Cainer in his daily horoscopes

I am feeling it more than ususal, and grumpy because all I see myself doing is defending different fragments of personal identity without being able to absorb anything new, or see something larger. I am coming back when I am less of a squirmy, reactive, inconsistent, argumentative human :p

[wilsontc]

Howl,

You said:
Mary Mary quite contrary, if someone interprets my placements as possibly indicating "over" independence and lack of emotional receptivity, I launch into a tirade of proof that I am otherwise (No really, I am soft to the core, I do love, need and deeply feel for my friends and family!) Then if someone interprets my placements as possibly indicating "over" focus on others for my personal development, I try and poke them in the eye with my supposed fierce independence...It's just that I also adore people (and like you, Tim, they utterly fascinate me) and when I get to be around them, I want to touch them...Heheh, so where does that little response of mine come from?

Sounds to me like you are balancing out your nodes pretty well! :)

As to "where it comes from", I would say North node in Cancer...Cancers can tend to be "clingy" around people (it's those darned claws of Cancer the crab, you know ;) ).

In clingy balance,

Tim

[Dakota]

Well I feel a little odd disrupting the conversation Lillybelle, Howl and Tim are having, but I have a question sort of similar to Howl's. My NN is in the 7H in Aries and my SN is in Libra in the 1H. I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to be striving for. The research I've done is contradictory. Some sites say that I need to learn how to be more independent in relationships (which that's all my previous partners have ever described me as so I can't imagine that's true), and some sites say I need to to learn how to be more giving/less selfish in relationships. Any thoughts?

Dakota

[wilsontc]

Dakota,

I suggest focusing on the HOUSE the North node is in, since that's the focus of the North node's "future goals". So focus on working on "relationships" (7th house), which it seems you are already doing. Since Aries is a sign of our "being", Aries modifying North node focused in the 7th house indicates you need to bring your "youness" to relationships: whoever YOU are, that's how your relationships should be.

Shortly suggesting,

Tim