My Infamous Ex

[freedomlover]

I have "threatened" several times over the past few weeks, both on the forum and in the chat, that I might post the chart of my infamous ex-husband. You know the Leo with the Scorpio moon and AC. (winks) I have some serious karmic ties with this guy.

I'm really trying to forgive this guy and cut the ties, but sometimes others input helps one to see issues that one can't see on their own. Would you all like to have some fun and see if you can "paint" his personality and karmic issues through his chart?

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[Shining Ray]

Was he a heavy drinker. There are a few placements which are pointing to this, but I may be wrong. Quite a powerful man. Not sure what to make of his Scorpio Moon in 12th. I will have a look at his chart later looks interesting.

Shining Ray

[freedomlover]

Not really a heavy drinker, although he drinks some. He does make his own homemade wine with grapes he grows, and is quite proud of it. However, he is a very heavy pot-smoker.

[Shining Ray]

Oh well maybe that is what the Neptune in Scorpio 1st/Moon in Scorpio 12th and his Venus in 8th, plus an opposition of Jupiter to Neptune is all about. I suppose these placements can indicate drink/drugs. There was definitely some big escapism in his chart. Oh and Sun Square Neptune.

Shining Ray

[freedomlover]

Yeah, almost like he wasn't in this world. I never noticed how many of those kind of aspects there were.

[Shining Ray]

I will definately look at this later. To see what all his energy in the 10th house is about as well.

Shining Ray

[23]

The things that I am seeing is Leo sun in 10th with his asc in Sco with Nep widely conj asc in 1st house and squ Nep. Moon nicely is hidden but conj asc in the 12th. A nice deceptive guy who also seems to have a conflict in himself as to who he is and also quite egotistical maybe (a lot of jup squares). Venus also singleton by cadent house (if chiron not included)

I know a person with such a sun (10th) and sco asc (squ each other) and nep in 1st house (but fish moon). He would extract information out of you, demand jealously things and information from you but would not tell you anything about himself even when you asked him. I was quite affronted by this attitude. It seemed he had multiple faces to his personality which he would expose at different times. After a while you could that everything was done to gratify his ego. The neptune would make him seem so compassionate when you met him and he would portray himself as a man of sophistication. I cannot help but see these in your ex.

I thought it was funny how algol fell in his 7th house conj Jupiter - death to all relationships? Having a Tau asc would I guess make him possessive.

Also having merc conj pluto would make him really suspicious and would want to penetrate all mentally maybe.

Interesting, no air either.

[BorX]

Chiron and Vesta seems to be separated.
Chiron bieng in the affinity domicile ( Pisces ) and separated show's that he doesn't know what to do in a relationship, he want's a lot, but cannot have them. Bieng the planet of love, marriage and children show's that he is a heartbreaker. This could be resolved by having faith, but the Mars in Cancer in 9th house show's that he's mind is foggy related to religion and has instinctiv behavior, sometimes lot's of anger with no reason. With Vesta show's he doesn't have the fidelity necesairy to keep a relationship. Therefor another indicator of heartbreaking.
Sun has scout planet the Uranus, bieng unpredictable by nature, expecialy related to fellings and the heart. Juno, Moon with Neptune in Scorpio show's he's a drinker, he's always on the search for the misstress and seduction.

[BorX]

If doesn't learn to be good then that star Algol ( thanks 23 for reminding me :D ) and along with he's T-Square in fixed sign, then when in Tranzit or Progresion a malefic planet comes in conjunction with Algol ( Mars in tranzit will soon come there ), he will start have mental problems and even more drinking disorder, that could lead to death in time.
If he doesn't do anything, in the next life he will have a Mystic Square in fixed sign's and a T- Square in mutable sign, acording to karmical square rotations.
Mystic squares in fixed are reputated as bieng the hardest karma.

Sound's a bit awfull, but he still has the chance to do something.

[Shining Ray]

This man may have been possessive in relationships (Taurus 7th cusp) and quite jealous ruler of Taurus Venus in 8th house. Also materialistic looking at his South Node in the second and the ruler of the 2nd Jupiter in Taurus.

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

He has difficulty sharing emotions and his North Node in Cancer in the 8th is showing how he needs to develop this. He is very secretive about himself Mercury conjunct Pluto and Scorpio Ascendant. He keeps his intense emotions and feelings hidden. (Scorpio Moon 12th). Emotions run deep for him he can hold on to resentment and jealousy that will tear him apart.

The South Node in Capricorn shows how he may have been emotionally cold and materialistic in a past life. His Saturn in Pisces shows how he has to move beyond guilt and fear and transcend personal limitations. This fellow has issues around inner security he is learning his lessons around the home/family learning to share what he has money and emotions. The purpose of his Sun in Leo is that he is ready to make his mark on the world. The Karmic lessons which surround his Sun are concerned with power and creative expressions of energy. The challenge is to avoid being arrogant and bossy. This man has to learn to live from the heart he has to be empowered rather than have power over anything or anyone. The task is to value everyone, including himself.

[Shining Ray]

I will try to explain his Sun in 10th obviously he seems centered around his career and he may have a large but fragile ego. Does he like to push his luck because he feels he can get away with it. Not sure on this mans beliefs but whatever they are their strong and fixed. Does he also have a love for luxury and the material things. The Leo-Taurus square is supposed to be a good combination for an occupation in the business or finance world. Does he like gambling.

Neptune squaring his Sun he can either play the victim or be the savior with this aspect maybe there is a self-deception. With his focus on the career he may have feelings of dissatisfaction with himself and his goals/career. he might not be able to accept the way his life is and likes to idealize and dream of something better.

This man has a yearning to be someone special in his career perhaps for it is here he wants to shine. The urge to escape from the self is strong. There is a conflict of wanting to be seen in the spotlight Leo 10th with wanting to remain private Scorpio 1st. Could be very creative in career perhaps. Tremendous pride can can cause feelings of bitterness and revengeful feelings.

I have created a lovely picture of this man haven't I :D

[freedomlover]

Thanks to all for the replies. You are very good picture painters, and wonderful sleuths!

To 23,

Yes he is a very conflicted, egotistical individual. Your description of your friend is very close to him, as well, except I wouldn't say that he represents himself as sophisticated, as he is very "country". But, yes, he would ask questions and also ask you to do small acts of service for him - repeatedly. After a while I realized "He just enjoys watching me jump!" It was ALL about gratifying his ego. He would thing up things for me to do, just to try to see if he could get me to do them. He was very jealous, possessive, and suspicious. He enjoyed mind games very much, as well. ( My mother always claimed he was a serial killer, and was hiding it from us. I thought you would get a kick out of that, Shining Ray;))

He did appear very gentle and romantic when I first met him ( although, looking back on it in later years, I realized even then, it was only on HIS time schedule). Four days after we got married, he turned from Jekyll into Hyde. I never saw the gentle, romantic side of him again. He really was monstrous.
Apparently, this is a trend with him. The same pattern repeated with his second wife. (Neither marriage lasted more than 2 years - mine only 1). He dated one girl a few years ago and had asked her to marry him. She was wise enough (unlike me and his second wife) to take a reality check and she put off marriage, and finally broke up with him. It's interesting that anywhere from 5 to 10 years went by between relationships. It's like he really, really wants the relationship, and wants to be married, but as soon as he does marry - POOF! Presto change-o! He turns into a monster who delights in torturing his new wife.

As to No air signs, his communication skills are virtually nil... unless you count yelling, cussing, criticizing, and giving orders.

To: Borx

You are right on in your analogy, as well. As I described in the last paragraph to 23, he does seem to want the relationship, but has no skills to sustain one. (See description of communication skills) You're also right-on with saying that his mind is foggy( perhaps due to the pot) and that he is angry for no apparent reason. This man just oozes anger. It is rare to see him in a good mood. He also has a problem with infidelity, as did his father. As I am able to release my negative feelings towards him more and more, I am starting to see what a hole he has dug for himself, and I feel sorry for him. Thanks for helping me to see that even clearer, Borx. His karmic net is indeed getting tighter. However, I have seen some signs of mellowing in the past 2 or 3 years, mostly in his relationship with our daughter.

To: Shining Ray

You, too, are a very good sleuth! You are right about the jealousy and possessiveness, as stated earlier in this post. In addition, you astutely picked up on his issues with money, which I think are the fuel for much of his anger. As he has aged, he seems to enjoy collecting "toys" - a nice, new truck, etc. He is obviously still working on his south node issues, since he is still emotionally cold, and I wouldn't say really materialistic, as much, as stingy. (Although he has loosened up on this, as this is where his relationship with our daughter has changed, and he has been quite generous with his money. I was so proud of him! Although my daughter had to sit through several tirades while receiving the money.) I wonder why he is so touchy with the subject of money? You area also very perceptive with the holding on to negative emotions thing. I have humbled myself and asked him to forgive me for the things I did wrong in the marriage. (I was 17 at the time, and quite childish in my expectations.) I was very sincere and humble. He flat out refused to forgive me. Well, he's the one that has to live with himself.


I have tried to figure out what molded his personality thus in his family. He is so very different than his siblings, who are very normal. Do y'all see anything in his family that could have helped mold these behaviors?

[BorX]

Something camed on my head ...

I think EP ( East Point ) conjuncts Neptune at 13 degrees, I don't see it, but it might be there.
It's opposite WP ( West Point ) which reprezents how a relationship he would like to be. Since it's WP conjuncts Jupiter and Algol, he doesn't like long relationships, he ends them suddently because he likes it that way, he want's just adventure, new meanings, exploration and freedom when it comes to relating to other's. But with Algol, he's always ignorant and selfish, ending relationships making other's unhappy.
Algol with Jupiter might give trouble with law too.

[Shining Ray]

Now that you have explained his stingy attitude with money I can see this now with the South Node in Capricorn 2nd and then the ruler of the 2nd Jupiter in Taurus all relating to money square to Saturn in the 4th stingy with money in the home.

It is nice he is beginning to learn to share his money with his family at least he is going towards his North Node of sharing money (8th) with family (Cancer) It is a pity he is so cold emotionally.

I had to laugh when you described him as a serial killer because in my Astrology book on the Leo/Scorpio square she described this placement as being a wonderful one for the mafia. :D

The Taurus/Leo square is probably involved in his love of good wine and being proud of making it himself. This combination enjoy good living.

Shining Ray

[BorX]

Do y'all see anything in his family that could have helped mold these behaviors?

Talking about making a positive karma and a better future.
One way is searching the Part of Fortune because it's the point of making a positive karma and where he's chance in life can smile on him.
Since it's in Capricorn and 3rd house he should do this:
Be more communicative, more honest,more faith, more disciplined, more generous, more loving, more responsable, being really sorry and felling guilty to what bad things he did in life, trieng to resolve it someway etc. He must find a way to change he's behavior, ideal would be a spiritual path like astrology, ezoterics, theology, expecialy yoga, even a good book with wisdom could work. He need's lot's of advices and helping.

If he doesn't listen to the others advices and refuses help, Saturn and Jupiter going to punish badly until he looks back in the past and say " Oh my God, what have I done"
Punishment like: Diseases, loosing material valors and loved ones ( death ), having an fast accident ( even lightling strike ), going to prison or any trouble with law ( high chance ), poorness, lossing objects you are atached, bieng victim of selfish persons, lots of personal ilusions, long health disorders etc

He's North Node doesn't show anything special in a dinamic way. Therefor he has lot's of free will and still has the chance to do something, even so it's late, it's hes decision. If still chooses the wrong path, the problems I listed above could happen.

It's really good you tried to help him... when he will do something wrong, life is going to punish him and he will remember what you and the others have said in aid.
You did your duty, it's time for he's turn.

[BorX]

LoL i'm re-reading my respond's...

Do I appear to rough?:confused:

[freedomlover]

To: Shining Ray

The money things seems to be pretty primary with him. I think much of his anger is rooted in money issues. It's interesting that he is now in his early 40's and still lives with his mother. She has Multiple Sclerosis, and is partially crippled. He does work and bring in his own income, however, I am not aware of him helping his mother little, if any, with finances or around the house. Lucky for her, they have a very close-knit large extended family that helps out. His mother is very sweet, a little "smothering", but a good mother. He seems to have a whole lot of issues with her. The rest of the children don't have these problems, so it must be something in his perception.

And it was my mother who called him the serial killer. I always defended him,(although now I'm not so sure. LOL ) It's interesting that my mother absolutely HATED him from the get-go, and he hated her. They fought terribly. She even threw a heavy glass paperweight ashtray at him once, trying to hit him in the head. (See my thread, "A Triple Leo" for her info. Interestingly, their birthdays were only 2 days apart. Different years, of course)

To: Borx

First of all.... NO, you didn't sound cruel - just stating the painful truth. So far he has escaped all of those ... I prefer to call them "lessons". Maybe he is just surfing through on some mercy. I have prayed for him extensively. It seems like he was born with a very "cushy" chart, as far as having a lot of advantages in this life - like the good mother, nice siblings, and a large, close extended family. Father had some control issues, but not too bad of a character. I am very glad that he is learning some of his lessons concerning money. However if he does not learn some communication skills and let go of the anger, I don't know how long the "grace period" will last. He was very rebellious when young, and came close to being in scrapes with the law. He really got away with murder. (Not real murder, Shining Ray. At least, none that I know about) He seems to have a gift for not getting caught or made accountable for anything he does. He is a picture of good health, as well, despite his drug/alcohol use and smoking, and a very poor diet through the years. He has some very unusual eating habits, too, to say the least. The main punishment he is receiving is that he is keeping relationships of any kind at a distance, and so is very lonely. He spends much time in seclusion.

That's interesting about the EAst and West POints, Borx. I'm not really familair with that, but what you said made sense, and applies to him. Also, one thing I'd like to add.... Jupiter is associated with Sag, and the 9th house. His single most identifying characteristic, that is the other primary cause for his anger... is that he ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY HAS TO BE RIGHT. He is an insufferable know-it-all. He cannot stand to be corrected, and if anybody tries, he will fly into a fit of rage. He thinks he knows the best thing for everybody, and that his perceptions are 100% correct - VERY judgmental. Which, come to think of it..... is exactly what he accuses other people of being - judgmental and trying to tell him what to do. He is a control freak in the nth degree. Maybe the Neptune causes him not to see this?

[Shining Ray]

The Sun Square Jupiter probably represents this pushing of his luck and being rebellious because he believes he won't get in trouble and will get away with it. With his mother and his Scorpio Moon representing the smothering side I was thinking on how to interpret this Moon to represent his mother but with saying she has an illness or disability maybe this is what the 12th house is showing maybe a suffering (12th) because of illness. A confinement because of her disability.

Thanks for sharing this chart Freedomlover your helping me learn how to interpret by giving all this information.

Shining ray

[Claire19]

Just looking at his chart I would say he would have considerable magnetism and has the Scorpio sub signature i.e. predominantly fixed water... Are you the one with whom he has the cultural or religious differences or met overseas or whilst travelling or attending college????

His main focus is his career, his public face and reputation especially with Sun in Leo there. Was his unreliability or over optimism and false promises the death knell to the relationship??? Was he always away or just not there for you?? I would say he has had to face realities as far as his goals are concerned and tends to daydream or create goals that are not really able to be attained the way he may wish. Many changes in that area and affecting the domestic sphere as well. Unreliability, changes and upheavals.

As far as karmic issues, well we look at Saturn, Pluto and 12th house for neuroses and self undoing, insecurities stemming from the past. He has a nicely aspected Moon and probably feels compassionate and even self sacrificing towards his mother or mother figures or she was seen as that. Was she reclusive or in some way incapacitated, or religious or seen as rather saintly??? Was he fostered or adopted????? His Venus ruler of 7th through Taurus is well aspected and with his Mars conjunct Venus in Cancer his desire and love nature is well connected and will find both in one person.
He may look for a nurturing motherly type of partner or he may be that....

I rather like him from the feel of the chart and that is not just because I am a fellow Leo:) .

[Claire19]

Hello

I had not read any of the other responses to your ex before I did my little analysis. I have done so now. Of course a lot of it would be your projection as you describe him. He is very Scorpionic and has the attributes associated with that also the Leo egotism etc which seems to manifest much more in the male of the species I have found. He is fixed and wont change his ideas easily and can be arrogant I have no doubt. Of course we all bring out the best or the worst in each other and much depends on the interaction between two people or the synastry and their karmic issues. He would enjoy quiet times at home I am sure and this gives him a sense of security. Does he have water sign children. Can be secret lovers and or children born in secret conditions. He may well be subject to smother love but it takes two to play out a scenario. There is no master without slave or slave without master.....

Claire

[freedomlover]

Claire19,

Thanks so much for your input. You made some very valid points, especially about the "It takes two" scenario. You opened up another layer of healing for me on this subject!

As to your observations about him personally.....Yes he has water sign children. His other daughter is a Pisces. Ours is a Gemini, but she has a Cancer AC, and a Scorpio moon. Both of these were conceived out of wedlock. He abandoned the daughter and the other woman for the first few years, then suddenly got back together and married her and claimed the daughter. The marriage only lasted a couple of years (ours only lasted one), but he has kept close ties with the daughter. It seems he took years to "warm up" to fatherhood in both cases

And in my case, he also had "secret love affairs", in that he was an adulterer (like his father).

As to the "quiet times at home"... He wasn't this way when I married him, nor from what I know of his second marriage. Beginning somewhere in his early 30's, he began to be quite the homebody - to the point of almost becoming a hermit. He's very reclusive, and does seem to enjoy the security of home very much (even if it is his mother's home.)

"Fixed and won't change his ideas easily and can be arrogant" is an understatement!!! I know much of this is my take on it, but I think I am pretty fair and balanced and take acknowledgement of his good points, as well. Also, my take on him seems to be how everyone else that knows him perceives him, as well.

[freedomlover]

Claire19,

I just saw yourr previous post. The last one turned up on Page 3, and I didn't catch the previous one on Page 2, which I thought was all posts I'd already read. After I posted, something told me to go back and check page 2.

To answer your questions.... There were no cultural or religious differences, nor did we meet overseas or in college. We met in high school, if that counts.

Actually, he doesn't seem to care too much what people think of him, social-standing, etc. He's pretty much a recluse, just goes to work, comes home, makes wine, plays a little acoustic guitar, and hunts when season is in.

The death knell to our marriage was, as you put it, unreliable, and never there. (He went fishing while I was in labor). (But he was only 18, I've cut him some slack once I got some hindsight on it.) However, the main part of the death knell was that he was mentally, verbally, emotionally, and physically abusive to me, beginning from day 4 of our marriage. He showed no sign of this while we were dating.

His mother has had multiple sclerosis since he was born (She got it either while pregnant with him or right after) It has gotten progressively worse throughout her life, and she now is pretty much homebound, and has to use a walker. She has been bedfast for short periods of time throughout the years, when the disease would have a flare-up. He seems rather "tied" to his mother. However he does not treat her all that well, in my opinion. He has gotten better through out the years, but he has a history of being verbally abusive to her - cussing at her, etc. My theory is that he had a lot of pent-up anger at her, but because she was his mother, and a sick one at that, he felt he could not say how he really felt, so he took it out on me when we got married. I think he kind of saw me as a "mother figure" at that point. ( He was this way with his second wife, as well)

[freedomlover]

Since this thread has been revived, would anyone like to take a stab at what they think this man may have looked like physically? Is this in the chart as well?