Posting our ASC Sabian Symbols

[SagiCap]

I just looked up my ASC Sabian Symbol for 23 deg Capricorn and got:

22-23 deg Capricorn

A Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat

23-24 deg Capricorn

A Woman Entering A ConventI think if the 2nd is mine, I'm gonna scream, but I have a sneaking suspicion it is! Which one is 23 deg Cappie?

(The first symbol more aptly describes my life however. I think my lesson is to learn to be more assertive and like Aries.)

EDIT:

Pfew! Just read this:

0*and 1 minute you would like at 1st degree.
14* and 27 mniutes-- 15th degree.
29* and 1 minute -- 30th degree

Ok, now that I can breathe better, let's change this thread to posting our ASC Sabian Symbols. Would love to learn more about you all.

:)

[SagiCap]

Look up yours here: http://www.cafeastrology.com/sabiansymbols_degreemeanings.html

I'll start properly this time:

Mine is:

23 deg Capricorn:

24-25 deg Capricorn

A Store Filled With Precious Oriental Rugs

[Mark]

The Sabian symbols are quite vague to be so specific. Perhaps they can be made useful, but it seems that would require a thorough understanding that would have to be applied to every individual instance.

The bottom one applies to 23° Capricorn. I have the same list you do and each description is listed underneath its label. So, 23.2°, 23.4°, and 23.9° Capricorn would all be given the Sabian association, "A Woman Entering a Convent."

You'd make such a beautiful nun! :joyful:

[Mark]

Hah, I guess you have to celebrate the little things. :happy:

26-27 deg Capricorn:
Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine

[SagiCap]

Hah, I guess you have to celebrate the little things. :happy:

26-27 deg Capricorn:
Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine

There's THAT theme again. I am NOT going in there, I tell ya! ;)

Thank you for posting this just as I was searching. I'm going to find out more about it now.

What's yours? "Man preaching to congregation?"

[Mark]

My natal Sun is at 24.04° Leo. There are other sources that refer to 24° Leo as the "degree of assassination."

23-24 deg Leo:
Totally Concentrated Upon Inner Spiritual Attainment, A Man Is Sitting In A State Of Complete Neglect Of Bodily Appearance And Cleanliness

24-25 deg Leo:
A Large Camel Is Seen Crossing A Vast And Forbidding Desert

[dr. farr]

SagiCap:
Converting to Tarot Major Arcana symbols, 26Capricorn11 = 296 degr 11min = 2+9+6+1+1 = 19;
so, your Tarot ascendant symbol is the 19th Major Arcana:
THE SUN...

[catastrophe]

23-24 deg Libra

A Butterfly With A Third Wing On Its Left Side

[Kannon]

I do not use Sabian symbols. If I were you I wouldn't place any stock in it at all. You cannot derive very specific meanings related to life decisions like going to a covent from a single horoscopic factor that does not take into account the whole chart. Astrology is wholistic by nature. Any method has to take this into account. I especially would not apply Sabian symbols or any other degree-specific interpretation to the Asc degree of an unrectified chart.

There is no basis for fear. Either you're being dramatic or are giving far too much credence to "clairvoyants" that never met you.

Peace.

[SagiCap]

There is no basis for fear. Either you're being dramatic or are giving far too much credence to "clairvoyants" that never met you.

Peace.

"Horrified" was used in a joking manner.

[SagiCap]

23-24 deg Libra

A Butterfly With A Third Wing On Its Left Side

I like his one. Reminds me of he phrase: "beauty is unique".

[SagiCap]

SagiCap:
Converting to Tarot Major Arcana symbols, 26Capricorn11 = 296 degr 11min = 2+9+6+1+1 = 19;
so, your Tarot ascendant symbol is the 19th Major Arcana:
THE SUN...

You always seem to look on the bright side, dr. :) Wonderful. Thanks for pointing this out.

[Kuntuzangmo]

10-11 deg Leo

Children Play On A Swing Hanging From The Branches Of A Huge Oak Tree

11-12 deg Leo

An Evening Party Of Adults On A Lawn Illumined By Fancy Lanterns

I think mine is the first one (10.56 of Leo), but I also like the second one.
I never quite know about the rounding up etc...
and I can see very much both being true.

[multiple]

for my ascendant:
20-21 deg Gemini

A Tumultuous Labor Demonstration

at first I was confused about this as to whether it meant the labour political party but spelled differently or whether it means a demonstration about work, i'm thinking its the latter as the definitions are meant for people across the world.

[multiple]

also I found this a while back which is relevant to the thread, it offers some interpretation on the degrees:

http://www.mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm

[Mark]

piercethevale: I can see meaning in much of what you've said. It seems you've been at this a while and I understand your frustrations. In other threads, I've essentially handed out the keys to allow people to answer their own questions about facets and even whole disciplines of astrology. I've gotten pitifully few replies and I also grow frustrated. Why do people seem to insist on asking narrow questions about particular instances when I've just told them all they need to figure out the whole system? It's because what you find is always in direct proportion to what you seek. Most people aren't ready to take on whole disciplines and serious study when there are quaint pleasantries about interpretations to address. People love to have opinions and feel like those opinions matter, regardless of education and training.

If you are a serious seeker on the path, then you already know that the life that comes with that path entails repeating yourself over and over again to people who are only half listening and every so often will actually turn against you in persecution. If it were easy, anyone could do it. We do it because it is the hard-won Truth that we seek. It is that same hard-won Truth that we seek to share with our brothers. Oh, yes, I feel your frustrations. Most of those who tell you that they want to learn really only want to learn a few small things. We are here to give them what is needed to further their seeking in tiny, little bits at a time. Those who most desperately need the development are usually the slowest to create it.

I realise that we've bickered once before, but I hope there can be peace between us. We are, after all, on the same side.

General Address: To reiterate the only relevant point I've made in this thread up until now, I fundamentally agree with piercethevale. The application of Sabian symbols requires an understanding of the whole system and the nature of the system. Without that, you may as well just draw lines between random things.

[SagiCap]

.I'm disgusted with you members...with all that I've written and demonstrated to you all as how to use the Sabian Symbols it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Don't be rude. Spewing such remarks will only draw garbage and negativity back to you. Most have probably never even read your "previous posts" so get a grip.

[Mark]

Most of his frustration didn't have to do with this thread. This thread was just the venting point. Your last post, SagiCap, was a part of that cycle of garbage you mentioned. After what's been said, the best thing to do is to consider it settled and focus on the Sabian symbols.

I have a legitimate question. What is the basis for using the symbols? If I recall correctly from my reading a while back, the symbols were originally "divined" by a woman who was reputed to be a testably accurate "psychic" in San Diego. Divination has its place, but how do we make the step from a simple list of associations to real application? For that matter, couldn't an entirely different list be divined by another person which would still be accurate; i.e. using different symbols to convey the same ideas in new shades of meaning? I've been interested in Sabian symbols, but I've never seen a framework that makes them particularly useful. I would support the development of such systems, but I know little about the extant ones. I would appreciate more information on the whole subject, rather than individual applications.

[multiple]

didn't mean to cause an uproar. I don't post on here that often I don't know about any history or anything pardon the ignorance ,just found the link a while back in a completely unrelated place and thought it might be of help to some people.

[SagiCap]

Most of his frustration didn't have to do with this thread. This thread was just the venting point.

Are you his representative? I don't think anyone or any thread should be made a "venting point". It's not fair or conducive to anything positive. This is a board for people to learn and connect, not to be shat on, my friend. I would think you got that by now.

After what's been said, the best thing to do is to consider it settled and focus on the Sabian symbols.

I will consider it settled when it's settled....to me. I don't think it's for you to get in the middle of. Are you now acting as the representative or the judge?

[SagiCap]

didn't mean to cause an uproar. I don't post on here that often I don't know about any history or anything pardon the ignorance ,just found the link a while back in a completely unrelated place and thought it might be of help to some people.

You didn't cause an uproar, multiple. People who come on here and claim other's opinions/posts are "disgusting" did.

[Mark]

SagiCap: I asked a legitimate question and now we're back to this. Are you telling me that you aren't venting now?

[Mark]

I'm just noting the fact that piercethevale's last post brought him up to 1331 posts. Carry on. :happy:

[JerryRR]

Ascendant/Algol:25:05 Taurus (1925).
Influence.
'Of the nature of Saturn and Jupiter.It causes misfortune,violence,
decapitation,hanging,electrocution and mob violence,and gives a dogged and violent nature that causes death to the native or others.It is the most evil star in the heavens.'
Vivian E Robson.

Sabian Symbol.(Jones)
Taurus 26.
A Spaniard serendering his senorita.
The keyword is constancy.

J. :)

[JerryRR]

Thank you for the reply.

I will mention the 12th house cusp/Placidus,to a Sag' acquaintance,who was born in Gallivare.

J. :)

[Yennefer]

Well my ASC is 21.48 Sagittarius.

21-22 deg Sagittarius: A Chinese Laundry

Linda Hill says: The Chinese Laundry can give us restrictive expectations, the feeling that we've got to 'clean up after others', do menial work with little reward or thanks, to have the 'shutters up against the world', locking us into a little box of activity that has strict limitations.

Yes I can certainly relate to that but haven´t read other interpretations.

[SagiCap]

...I did apologize, more or less, although not directly to any individual...if that's what it takes, then, I apologize SagiCap for being so short of temperament today.

Thank you. I appreciate this a lot.



Write down the symbols for your chart axis with the designated meaning above...Asc. = 'WHO'.... Desc. = 'WHERE-TO' ... I.C. = 'HOW' ...& M.C. = 'WHY' ...this is your 'Life Blue-Print'...add to that the symbolism for your Part of Fortune, Part of Sudden Advancement, Part of Catastrophe and you've got a pretty good idea of what is expected of you and how to proceed.

The Symbols are more helpful than I thought when probed in this matter. I'm going to try this excercise, Pierce, when I get a good moment to study it.

Have you done your own? What did you find?

[kbell]

Mine is sagi 3 Two men playing chess. Conflict, light and darkness, interplay. It expresses who I am pretty well. It's an eternal struggle for me between the two and I want to win. I see it in a spiritual way.

Edit: that was my who. My dc which is my where to is the garden of tuileries in Paris.

My how is "in a gigantic tent, villagers witness a spectacular performance."

My why is "an ouija board"

These are dead on, but i still don't understand the why.

[catastrophe]

Did you write all that, yourself? it says from Rudhyars book... Or did you paste it from some source ?

[suimui10]

it makes visiting this forum and all the time spent at a keyboard worthwhile..

Please don't doubt your posts are influential! Your post above made me look at my Sabian symbols and I was very reluctant to do so before your analysis in the above.

[SagiCap]

...Way Cool...I feel very good about getting ya' all hip to the Sabians...groovy!:love:

[and again...I apologize to all for having such a bad temprament at the onset of this thread...this has turned out rather well...thanks to Sagi Cap for starting it...A tip of the Hatlo Hat to SagiCap!]

This has turned out very well. And this is why I value this board and these discussions so much. I learned more on AW than in my double-degree Honours for 4 years in university probably. LOL! And enough with the sorries. :) I was Martian lately too. Not like me but no hard feelings. I LOVE THIS THREAD.

I haven't had the focus to concentrate on posting mine lately, but I plan to do so very soon.

[suimui10]

...Way Cool...I feel very good about getting ya' all hip to the Sabians...groovy!

:kissing::love::smile:

[VegasGemini]

Prog. asc. 3 Degrees Leo:

A Middle-Aged Woman, Her Long Hair Flowing Over Her Shoulders And In A Braless Youthful Garment



Uhhhhh...okay? Someone wanna help me out here? I'm a male, first of all, not that it should hold much bearing but is this perhaps saying that I have reached a point where despite being an old soul I seek a childlike frame of mind? Thing is that ever since my asc. entered Leo (about 1/5 - 2 years ago) I've let the escapist in me loose so much. I used to be all about work and the bottom line (Mars in Cap, Neptune in Cap in the 6th), now I seem to just follow my whims. More like the typical Gemini would...

[Kerrie]

Me:

Asc. = 'WHO' - (ARIES 25°): THE POSSIBILITY FOR MAN TO GAIN EXPERIENCE AT TWO LEVELS OF BEING

Desc. = 'WHERE-TO' (LIBRA 25°): THE SIGHT OF AN AUTUMN LEAF BRINGS TO A PILGRIM THE SUDDEN REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY OF LIFE AND DEATH.

I.C. = 'HOW' (CANCER 28°): AN INDIAN GIRL INTRODUCES HER WHITE LOVER TO HER ASSEMBLED TRIBE

& M.C. = 'WHY' (CAPRICORN 28°): A LARGE AVIARY.

[Joz]

I've been enjoying this thread, while learning more about the Sabian Symbols.

I was wondering too - what about when chart needs rectification, like kannon mentioned? How do you know that you are dealing with the right degrees, and how does it affect your interpretation?

(edited since I decided to have my chart rectified and degrees on the angles changed)

[Joz]

....well, that's why the EXACT time of birth is so important in Sabian interpretation...I was able to rectify the time Jesus was born having only a date given by Edgar Cayce...but, I did have a hunch that Pluto was conj. the Asc. [and by my clairvoyants esteemed opinion and a number of other people I did just that]...but knowing so much about the Man it wasn't too difficult... as everything about Him 'clicks' symbolically with the chart I produced...

...personally, I wouldn't risk trying to interpret myself without an accurately recorded time and location...I mean...you wouldn't want to be called something you're not...

yes of course, what you say makes sense, and thanks for your reply.

[Joz]

...Dude, I just noticed...you got them confused...Once again...The ASC. is WHO...the DESC. is 'WHERE-TO' [or WHO-TO as that is what the Cosmos decrees you must be]...the I.C. is HOW this is to be achieved and the M.C. the answer 'WHY' you must become the Desc. symbolically...Capiche?

ok, but still puzzled about the Desc. symbol for 'where to'...

And I've decided to have my chart rectified, to confirm my Asc/Mc placements.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

My progressed rising is Taurus 29 28 degrees.

What I have posted below comes from this link

http://www.mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Taurus%2016-30.htm

PHASE 59 (TAURUS 29): TWO COBBLERS WORKING AT A TABLE.
KEYNOTE: The two-fold character of man's mature understanding.
In symbolism the feet are the symbol of understanding. Understanding differs from mere knowledge because it implies at least some degree of identification in depth with what is being understood. Moreover it is impossible fully to understand anything except when its opposite is taken into consideration. The mental process of understanding — and therefore of appreciation — implies confrontation between two points of view. Thus the mind gains a sense of perspective. The way to dispel a shadow is to have the object illumined (on its own two-dimensional level) by two sources of light. True understanding dissipates any intellectual shadow. The "two cobblers" symbolize two contrasting ways of approaching the understanding of an experience — especially a new experience — and they provide concrete forms which may clothe and protect the understanding.
This is the fourth stage of this twelfth five-fold sequence. It reveals symbolically the way in which a mature individual mind works in an attempt to gain PERSPECTIVE; a true perspective becomes the foundation upon which to build a new approach to life.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

...?!!!! ...and just what is 29 28 degrees???? Come on gang...get with the proper lingo...otherwise it's NO CAPICHE!



I was being a precise Virgo. lol~ 29 degrees 28 minutes. So 29 degrees it is. Sorry to confuse you. Wait I thought you said we WERE NOT to round up? Sorry to be a pain. Trying to get it right. = - )

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Oh don't scream in frustration on MY account. And drink cuz it's Friday night...not cuz I'm ticking ya off. lol.

OK, I like this sabian much better.....30 degrees Taurus

PHASE 60 (TAURUS 30°): A PEACOCK PARADING ON THE TERRACE OF AN OLD CASTLE.
KEYNOTE: The personal display of inherited gifts.
A great person able to display a multitude of gifts is always, at one level or another, the consummation of a long past of efforts and victories. As a great occultist once wrote: "Adepts are the flowering of their races and cultures." The peacock is the bird consecrated to Venus; in occult tradition the Promethean Spirits who gave to animal mankind the divine gift of self-conscious intelligence had come from "Venus" — which may or may not refer to the physical planet we can observe in the sky.
This is the final symbol of the fourth scene, whose Keyword has been given as "Confirmation." This peacock symbol indeed confirms the social status of the owner of the ancestral estate. It indicates a CONSUMMATION of individual efforts; and it suggests that such a consummation is hardly possible except when a line of "ancestors" — biological or spiritual — forms its base.

[SagiCap]

Asc. = 'WHO' - (CAPRICORN 27°): A party of anchorites are making a mountain pilgrimage and in view lie both the busy world and quiet way ahead.There have been times when I have pushed myself or fought challenges to such an extent that I am forced to sit back, whether though illness or just plain fatigue. If the seer cannot make the time to replenish his spiritual batteries, life will find a way to facilitate that. Alone time usually does it for me and I try to do this either on my weekends off or just taking a 20 minute walk outside and breathing in the brisk air. So the seer needs to travel to refresh himself, whether in body or in mind.

Desc. = 'WHERE-TO' (CANCER 27°): In a normally peaceful canyon, with wealthy secluded ranches, a furious storm seems to multiply its terrors.

Release anger, rage and turmoil, RE: foundations, cliffs, formations, landmarks, nature, extreme weather, extreme emotions. The potential to transform or crumble.

I.C. = 'HOW' (TAURUS 18°): A woman is holding a linen bag out of her window to give it fresh air and sunshine.Purity, cleanliness, rebirth, optimism, duty/tasks, mothering, homemaking, rejuvenation (?)
& M.C. = 'WHY' (SCORPIO 14°):Through a seemingly inaccessible mountainous country the telephone linemen carry their thin lines of communication.

Operative word here is "seemingly". I love this as in denotes hope through mountainous challenge to bring about a message in the end.

Peirce - anything to comment on mine?

[SagiCap]

...sorry, I'm drinkin right now...

You're not even sharing??? I'll have a vodka/lime please. Thanks.

[Joz]

haha cheers!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I realized I didn't include all 4 angles so here are the ones from my birth.
If you want to see my charts just look in my signatures.

Before I had given progressed chart info but here are the natals all obtained from Dane Rudhyar's sabians.

ASC = WHO (Pisces rising 18°33'29)

PHASE 340 (PISCES 19°): A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE. KEYNOTE: The transfer of power and knowledge which keeps the original spiritual and creative Impulse of the cycle active and undeviated.
The Hindu ideal of the sacred relationship between guru and chela (disciple) has of late become familiar to a vast number of young and not-so-young people. The doctrine of "the Apostolic succession" in the Roman Catholic Church has a similar significance. The Power and archetypal knowledge released "in the beginning" of any cycle (or at "Creation") must be perpetuated until the very Last Day — the Omega state of which Teilhard de Chardin glowingly speaks. This Power is the "self" of the cyclic manifestation, the unchanging Tone (AUM) of all existences within this cycle. It can be transmitted from master to disciple at the latter's "Initiation." It must be so transmitted for when the line of transmission (in Sanskrit, guruampara) is discontinued, the cyclic process begins to collapse in futility and spiritual darkness.
This fourth stage symbol gives us a clue to the supreme technique necessary for the continuation of all manifestations of power and spiritual understanding. The transmission is from person to person; it follows a general, unchanging pattern, yet it operates in terms of particular and individual circumstances. Keyword: INVESTITURE.

DC = WHERE TO (Virgo 18°33'29)

PHASE 169 (VIRGO 19°): A SWIMMING RACE.
KEYNOTE: The stimulation that comes from a group effort toward a spiritual goal.
When man has become an expert swimmer he has symbolically learned how to operate in a new element. This element, water, represents the ever-flowing stream of psychic energy, and, in a sense at least, the "astral" world. In a still deeper sense man is now able, mystically speaking, to cross the river and reach "the other shore" — or to swim back toward the source. Whether or not the symbol should suggest the competitive spirit at work is questionable. At the biological level a host of spermatozoa are swimming toward the ovum, and each presses on toward the goal, the act of impregnation. A seeker after spiritual rebirth actually does not strive alone. It is Man who, acting through the most advanced individuals of the race, is taking a step toward "rebirth," or toward a new mutation. The personal ego-centered ambition to succeed and to be "first" is indeed a sign of expectable spiritual failure.
At this fourth stage we are confronted with a problem of interpretation. Is not ambition a subtle form of deviation under the pressure of ancient karma, and the competitive spirit so valued by our civilization a sign of failure to understand the deeper reality of existence? What is needed is EMULATION, not competition.

MC = WHY (Sagittarius 22°41'20)

PHASE 263 (SAGITTARIUS 23°): A GROUP OF IMMIGRANTS AS THEY FULFILL THE REQUIRMENTS OF ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW COUNTRY. KEYNOTE: Consciously accepting the ways of a new stage of experience, in readiness for the opportunities it will present.
As we pass any threshold leading to a new realm of existence we have to meet certain requirements and the necessity to adjust to new ways of life – in action, thought and feeling. At times this may seem an ordeal but it is inevitable. Everything that will follow depends largely on how we cross this threshold, and on the spirit in which we meet unfamiliar and perhaps shocking experiences.
At this third stage of the fifty-third five-fold sequence we face a combination of the two preceding symbols. We find ourselves in a period of TRANSITION. We have to imitate, yet retain our inner integrity.

IC = HOW (Gemini 22°41'20)

PHASE 83 (GEMINI 23°): THREE FLEDGLINGS IN A NEST HIGH IN A TREE. KEYNOTE: The growth of spiritually creative processes in an at least relatively integrated mind.
In traditional symbolism birds usually refer to spiritual forces, or at least to the higher and freer aspects of the mind. Here we see only the very beginning of a process in what we might also call "the upper chamber" of the consciousness where the creative power of the spirit can be received and assimilated. Fecundated by the spirit and supported by a deeply rooted cultural and vitalistic tradition, man can gradually develop an integral personality. It is essentially three-fold, reflecting the Divine Trinity, in India expressed as Sat-Chit-Ananda.
This is the third stage of a process which should lead to a deeper and more natural understanding of human existence. It suggests that the ambitious mass protests of aroused and largely blind desires should be transmuted through harmonization with natural drives and in terms of spontaneous responses attuned to the phases of natural evolution. Stressed here is CREATIVE INTEGRATION.

Reminder that you can see my natal charts in my signature links.
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Now for my progressed chart info

ASC = WHO (Taurus rising 29°28')

PHASE 60 (TAURUS 30°): A PEACOCK PARADING ON THE TERRACE OF AN OLD CASTLE. KEYNOTE: The personal display of inherited gifts.
A great person able to display a multitude of gifts is always, at one level or another, the consummation of a long past of efforts and victories. As a great occultist once wrote: "Adepts are the flowering of their races and cultures." The peacock is the bird consecrated to Venus; in occult tradition the Promethean Spirits who gave to animal mankind the divine gift of self-conscious intelligence had come from "Venus" — which may or may not refer to the physical planet we can observe in the sky.
This is the final symbol of the fourth scene, whose Keyword has been given as "Confirmation." This peacock symbol indeed confirms the social status of the owner of the ancestral estate. It indicates a CONSUMMATION of individual efforts; and it suggests that such a consummation is hardly possible except when a line of "ancestors" — biological or spiritual — forms its base.

DC = WHERE TO (Scorpio 29°28')

PHASE 240 (SCORPIO 30°): CHILDREN IN HALLOWEEN COSTUMES INDULGE IN VARIOUS PRANKS. KEYNOTE: The periodic outlets society furnishes within traditional limits to still-immature energies.
In the symbol for the first degree of Scorpio we see individuals beginning to be involved in the collective life of a large city. This leads them to a great diversity of experience which stimulates their sense of belonging to a vaster whole; or it may stimulate their rebellious instincts. Some of the latter in most cases cannot be completely overcome, but society has built in several ways of allowing them to operate under ritualistic procedures that are sufficiently safe to the collectivity. Wherever this symbol is found, the need for such outlets is shown to exist. But the rules of the game have to be obeyed.
This is the last symbol referring to Scene Sixteen of the great ritual of cyclic being. It tells us that in any feeling experience of collective living and inter-human relationships one has to deal with unregenerated and centrifugal elements. These should be carefully managed. They can also be controlled by the power of mind – the Sagitarrian way. The symbol points to an imaginative RELIEF FROM TENSION.

MC = WHY (Aquarius 12°56')

PHASE 313 (AQUARIUS 13°): A BAROMETER. KEYNOTE: The ability to discover basic natural facts that allow us to plan in advance for action.
Here we are no longer dealing with ascent or descent, but with natural laws which involve causal relationships and the passage of one natural condition into another. The barometer registers air pressure, and a change of pressure today gives some indication of what the weather will be tomorrow. In a sense this is the modern scientific equivalent of archaic prognostication through omens. Likewise, animals grow a more or less thick fur in early autumn according to whether the winter will be more or less severe. Planning for the near future is a possibility because the potential (or seed) of the future is already operating at the core of the present.
This third symbol of the sixty-third sequence tells us that it is most important to seek — by whatever means and at whatever level of consciousness — a knowledge of causal progression. In the broadest sense this implies an awareness of cyclic processes, and this includes astrology. The Keyword is ANTICIPATION.

IC = HOW (Leo 12°56')

PHASE 133 (LEO 13°): AN OLD SEA CAPTAIN ROCKING HIMSELF ON THE PORCH OF HIS COTTAGE.
KEYNOTE: The quieted mind's recollections of crises and joys long past.
The sea captain has steered the ship of his ego-consciousness through seas and storms, maintaining the integrity of his individual selfhood while in close contact with the collective Unconscious. Now retired, he may try to distill wisdom from his many experiences and from his victories over elemental forces. The "swing" of the child-consciousness has now become a "rocking chair" from which one can contemplate past as well as present scenes, gently moving as waves roll over the shore. Peace at last.
At this third stage we find the consciousness of old age, after having witnessed the spontaneous play of children close to protective nature (Leo 11°) and the fashionable social parties of escaping adults (Leo 12°); three phases of mental development. Keyword: QUIET RECOLLECTION.

I suppose NEXT year will be the year of big change since I will have progressed from 30 degrees to the next sign. Time will tell. lol.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

From this link for arabic parts calculator

http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php (http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php)

Now I'm adding my natal part of fortune which is Scorpio 10° 36'

PHASE 221 (SCORPIO 11°): A DROWNING MAN IS BEING RESCUED. Keynote: The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals.
This symbol should be interpreted as revealing the basic feeling of relationship between the individual and his fellow-men. What is pictured is the expression of this 'relationship rather than the experience of the person who, carelessly perhaps, ventured too far beyond his depth and then was given a "second chance" to live. A man risks his life to save another: this is love, based on a sense of responsibility produced by a vivid sense of interrelatedness. Sustained by this love, the individual may be more secure in venturing forth; but this assurance can also lead to unwarranted daring and trust.
This is the first stage of the forty-fifth sequence of five symbolic phases. It pictures the concern of the social whole for any one of its parts, even if this concern is merely the spontaneous act of rescue performed by a chance bystander. The HUMANITARIANISM thus displayed has deep cultural roots.

And my PROGRESSED Part of Fortune which is Scorpio 23° 15'

PHASE 234 (SCORPIO 24°): AFTER HAVING HEARD AN INSPIRED INDIVIDUAL DELIVER HIS "SERMON ON THE MOUNT," CROWDS ARE RETURNING HOME.
KEYNOTE: The need to incorporate inspiring experiences and teachings into everyday living.
Today we hear a great deal about "peak experiences" (Maslow). The great problem facing everyone who has had such experiences is how to assimilate what has been felt, seen or heard, and how to let it transform his everyday consciousness and behavior. If this is not done the experience may turn confusing or toxic and perhaps destructive of the integrity of the person.
This fourth symbol as usual suggests to us what has to be done or how to do it. The "return home" from the high mountain, or from any "upper chamber" of the consciousness, may lead to a sense of oppression by the normal realities of existence, or else the soul that has been illuminated may retain enough of that light to transfigure every daily situation. This is the great CHALLENGE TO TRANSFORMATION.

I don't find the formula for part of sudden advancement, etc. that you mentioned. Is it called something else on that arabic parts calculator link I posted?

I am happy that our current Venus retrograde is hovering near my part of fortune. Nothing significant happened with the first contact and now I am waiting to see if the retrograde and then forward movement give me two additional contacts to look forward to.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I did find my part of catastrophe and using my natal part it is
Aquarius 20° 15'

PHASE 321 (AQUARIUS 21°): A DISAPPOINTED AND DISILLUSIONED WOMAN COURAGEOUSLY FACES A SEEMINGLY EMPTY LIFE.
KEYNOTE: The capacity to meet emotionally upsetting experiences in human relationships with strength of character and personal integrity.
The man who manages vast and complex business enterprises most often reaches power and achieves success because of his ability to deal with crises and temporary reverses of fortune. At the emotional level we now see a "woman" confronted with sharp disappointment and forced to face the vanishing of cherished illusions, presumably in terms of a close personal relationship. She has to learn to manage such crises, which are really tests of inner strength and perhaps compassion. We all have within ourselves the power to learn through emotional crises. But like any other faculty it needs development.
This is the first symbol in the sixty-fifth five-fold sequence. It urges us to develop RESILIENCE under adversity.

and with my PROGRESSED chart part of catastrophe is
Pisces 10° 23'

PHASE 341 (PISCES 11°): MEN TRAVELING A NARROW PATH, SEEKING ILLUMINATION.
KEYNOTE: The capacity inherent in every individual to seek at whatever cost entrance to a transcendent realm of reality.
This refers to the ancient and eternal symbol of the Path of Discipleship. The greatness of man is that he can always be greater; and the belief — deeply rooted in men's inner nature — that if he fulfills the necessary conditions he can find "Elder Brothers" who have already attained a higher level of consciousness and will transfer their attainment and light to him. The Path is always open to the pure in heart, the mentally aware, the conqueror of emotions and the spiritually self-mobilized.
This symbol opens the sixty-ninth five-fold sequence and a new level of consciousness. Man is always in the making and remaking. He can always go further, reach beyond. But he has to take the first step. Someone can show him the Path, but he alone can do the walking. Thus the Zen injunction: WALK ON.

[kbell]

Amy I noticed your asc is conj my ic and that places your where to dc conj my mc which is my why. Very interesting!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

So what do you think that means Kbell? That we could be successful room mates?

If your IC matches my rising then likely you're Sag rising? That has both of us Jupiter ruled too....at least using traditional astrology. My oldest daughter is Sag rising. I do seem to attract Sag rising because that puts my 3 planets in Virgo on their midheaven.

[KayBug]

Mine is 15 deg Scorpio

15-16 deg Scorpio

A Girl's Face Breaking Into A Smile

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

*Part of Sudden Advancement [Asc. + Part of Fortune - Saturn]*

From my natal chart (Pisces 2° 26')

(PISCES 3°): PETRIFIED TREE TRUNKS LIE BROKEN ON DESERT SAND. KEYNOTE: The power to preserve records of their achievements which is inherent in fully matured cultures.
When a vast group of men succeed in building a culture with strong institutions which express themselves in significant symbols and works of art or literature, such an effort of many generations is rarely lost altogether. In one form or another, records of this culture endure or are mysteriously preserved, simply because they reveal the place and function of this particular culture in the long process of unfoldment of the potentialities inherent in archetypal MAN. It is such a concept that has been mythified and popularized in the religious idea of the resurrection of the dead on the Last Day. The symbol of petrified wood in the Arizona desert, however, tells us that the actual preservation of the records is never perfect or total. Only fragments remain, significant enough to reveal the essential archetypal form.
This third symbol of the sixty-seventh five-fold sequence brings the promise of social immortality — i.e. the preservation of the enduring (because archetypally meaningful) factors in whatever man attempts within his culture. A symbol of INDESTRUCTABILITY.

From my progressed chart (Taurus 21° 54')

(TAURUS 22°): WHITE DOVE FLYING OVER TROUBLED WATERS.
KEYNOTE: The spiritual inspiration that comes to the individual in the overcoming of crisis.
Here also we are confronted with a symbol of guidance, and the dove flying over troubled waters reminds one of the story of Noah and the Ark. Noah met his and mankind's crisis courageously and in complete obedience to God's promptings. The test completed, he received the dove's message. It is a message from the Holy Spirit announcing a new Dispensation. This symbolic scene can be applied to personal crises resulting from emotional upheavals or from the irruption of unconscious forces and impulses into the consciousness — if the crisis has been faced in the right spirit.
This second stage symbol is in contrast to the preceding one because here it is not the product of a culture, a "book," but instead the rhythm of cosmic, God-ordained cycles that reveals its conclusive beat through a living and concretely significant sign — a REWARD TO THE FAITHFUL.

[hermetic]

I have asc on 24'03 Cancer so that would give me a Sabian symbol of 25 Cancer: A Willful Man Is Overshadowed By A Descent Of Superior Power but one astrologer made a rectification and said it is actually one degree before and this one gives a more suited sabian symbol 24 deg Cancer A Woman And Two Men Castaways On A Small Island Of The South Seas
KEYNOTE: The focalization of complex inner potentialities in harmonic and concrete relationships.
We are dealing here with a special phase of the process of integration. The woman and the two men represent the three-fold aspect of the human personality, particularly at this stage when one of these aspects — the emotional life (the woman) — is facing the possibility, if not the inevitability, of relating itself to both the spiritual and the mental. This confrontation occurs on a small island of the South Seas, and "south" always refers symbolically to the strong and passionate impulses of human nature. Somehow the three-fold consciousness has to develop a harmonious and well-integrated modus vivendi (a specific way of life). If successful, this will release powerful energies and will lead to the next symbolic scene.
We have reached the fourth stage of the twenty-third five-fold sequence. As is most often the case, we are introduced here to a specific technique — or at least to a problem of technique — in living. The three human beings should become integrated; but the form this integration will take seems left open. It has to be a concrete type of integration in terms of the emotional and biological drives of human nature (an island of the South Seas) and the field of integration is "small." The key to the problem of relationship should be the realization of INTER-DEPENDENCE.

[Skillcoil]

...my answer? Get a deck of regular playing cards. Pray over them to cleanse them...I ask for Gods eternal Holy Light to shine upon them...surround them...bathe them ... cleanse and protect them from all evil and outside interference...then ask that they remain nothing but pure light and love and a true rep. of the Sabian Symbols per my question and according to Gods' plan.
Then I shuffle them and when I get the 'feel' I draw a card and then another.
The face cards represent the signs. King Hearts = Aries. Queen Hearts = Taurus, Jack Hearts = Gemini. King Diamonds = Cancer, Queen Diamonds = Leo, Jack Diamonds = Virgo. King Spades = Libra, Queen Spades = Scorpio, Jack Spades = Sagittarius. King Clubs = Capricorn, Queen Clubs = Aquarius, Jack Clubs = Pisces.
The numbered cards represent the degrees 1 through 30....Hearts 1 - 10...Diamonds 11 - 20...Spades 21 - 30....Clubs don't count.
If I draw a face card first I then keep drawing until I then get a numbered card...and if a numbered card is drawn first I then keep drawing until a face card is chosen...an example would be Queen Spades and 9 Diamonds = Scorpio 19*.
I almost never fail to draw one of each from the deck...without having to redo the second draw. You could separate the face cards from the numbered cards if you care to.
I like to leave the deck intact and do it my way...I even leave the numbered clubs in the deck and one Joker...when I draw a Joker I have found it to be the Cosmos telling me to pay particular attention to the answer I will eventually receive...it's up to you which process you actually preform....IT WORKS>>>BIG TIME...I used the I Ching for years and never really felt comfortable with it..as it is so difficult to understand the symbology ...probably a racial thing...I don't know...but the Sabians have never failed to give me THE ANSWER...remember to ask a question...not of yes or no, right or wrong...but a question of alternatives...such as; "If I follow this course of action what would be the significance of it."
My clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante, Clarisse Conner, stands behind this technique 100% and she says the using of a deck of cards in this manner with the Sabians is an old and forgotten Knights Templar practice....and I am, according to Clarisse, a reincarnated Templar Knight of at least two previous times...and I believe a third also. [my moniker should give you all a clue...]

Thank you for the advice. :)

...you should all be advised that I've only been hip to the accuracy and infallibility of this technique these last 7 + years and that is still of minor experience in my estimation. Almost each and everyone of you should be able to develop the capability to use this technique if it doesn't come naturally at first [of course I was born to do this...but...]...You all will have to trust yourselves in interpreting your own charts...maybe have a thread...this thread ...to share and ask for outside opinions...I can only spend so much time here...and time is getting very precious to me as I am in my 50s now...

I think it would be great if this, or another thread could be a place for interpreting Sabian Symbols within our charts. Thank you for the time and insight you share with us, I appreciate it. :happy:

[kbell]

I like seeing all this interest in Sabian Symbols. I'm still learning so much and this is awesome

[SagiCap]

I like seeing all this interest in Sabian Symbols. I'm still learning so much and this is awesome

Ditto. The whole idea is fascinating and is just part of the intricate world of astrology that keeps unravelling itself. It's a paradox, on one hand it's an unlocked clue, on the other, it just opens more possibilities!

[RayAustin]

I remember a thread like this some time ago.

My ascendant, 8 scorpio:
7-8 deg Scorpio

A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight

Which as I said in the other thread is funny, because Moon is extremely significant in my chart (even though it's a day chart), she aspects 7 planets and makes a trine to the ascendant, which is watery Scorpio. My ascendant is bathed in moonlight. Haha.

8-9 deg Scorpio

A Dentist At Work


That's funny because my teeth are a little odd.

[RayAustin]

...and your Desc. at the 8th of Taurus...your "WHERE-TO" is a symbol about [by Rudhyars' definition] a "Future Oriented Imagination"...hmmm...Do you find yourself doing a lot of Horary Astrology, Ray?...more watching of coming transits and aspects than analyzing natal charts?
What does your I.C. say as to "HOW" this is to be done, symbolically?

Yes, I don't like (and by this I mean, really enjoy) looking at natal unless I'm looking at someone's future potential for general success at life. My biggest interest is horary.

My Ic is at 16 aquarius.
"A big businessmen at his desk", Lol, that's astounding. I do want to be a powerful businesswoman. :smile:

Thanks, pierce.

[RayAustin]

"The New Age should be one in which man learns to use the power generated by human togetherness and group interplay — that is, to use it harmoniously for the welfare of the whole of which all individuals are parts, humanity and the planet Earth."

Perhaps your soul needs to work toward this kind of thing, to be a leader or organizing these types of efforts? Is this something that interests you, Ray?


I do want to have a largely successful business and also do philanthropic works with it. I do think I've (soul) been working towards this for a long time.. but it takes a lot to be in charge of a big organization. I'm only 23, and I know I have a lot to learn and character shaping still. But I think I'm not far from it. :smile:

[RayAustin]

Kbell,
Haha, well if you want I can start a new thread about my chart, since I wouldn't want to derail this one. I think you'd find my node placements very interesting. Let me know. I'm curious as to what you have to say (haha, I haven't had anyone pick apart my chart in a long time on this board).

r.a. :smile:

[Baha]

Ascendant: 0.11 Gemini: Glass-Bottomed Boat Reveals Undersea Wonders.
The revelation of unconscious energies and submerged psychic structures.

Descendant: 0.11 Sag: Retired ARMY veterans gather to reawaken old memories.
The will to reaffirm the value of the struggle upon which civilization and group-achievements are founded.

IC 15.19 Leo: The storm ended, all nature rejoices in brilliant sunshine.
The surge of life and love after a major crisis.

MC 15.19 Aquarius: A big businessman at his desk.
The ability to organize the many aspects of an enterprise involving a large group of human beings.








I'll take it :)

[multiple]

looking at my tropical and sidereal charts one degree is featured in both so i'm guessing it's an important point in my chart. in my tropical chart its my sun and in sidereal its mercury;

THIRD LEVEL: INDIVIDUAL/MENTAL

PHASE 86 (GEMINI 26°): FROST-COVERED TREES AGAINST WINTER SKIES.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of archetypal form and essential rhythm of existence.

At this third level of "exteriorization" a contact with archetypes and pure forms of individual selfhood is to be sought - also with the characteristic images (Spengler's Ur-symbols) of the culture. Externals are left behind. This is a step beyond "pruning"; it is rather a process of removal of all superficialities of existence. Cyclically, nature helps us to reach this state of bare reality. It is not that we experience the Buddhist's void (sunya), but rather that we reach the essence of our individual being, the form of pure selfhood which is the structuring power underneath all external features - all that belong to the "leaf" realm.

This is the first stage of the five-fold process, now in its eighteenth phase. In a sense we can speak of it as a stage of ascetic repudiation, but it is also one of ESSENTIALIZATION.

[multiple]

...a most powerful symbol my friend...it means that your soul was pretty much washed clean of the past in this incarnation...but the tempering that had occurred from the collected actions was allowed to remain.
Now look to the "WHERE-TO"...the 26* of Sag. ...
[from Rudhyar]
"(SAGITTARIUS 26°): A FLAG BEARER IN A BATTLE.

KEYNOTE: The nobly accepted subservience of the individual to collective values and goals.

A flag symbolizes an organized collectivity of human beings, a nation or even a social class. In the old-fashioned type of battle, whoever carries the flag has to feel himself the representative of the integrity and unity of his group. His personal life and his welfare should therefore be totally submerged in and identified with the welfare of the "greater Whole" of which every person can act as a conscious and responsible agent for mankind. In substance, the symbol asks: "Are you ready to assume this role!"

This first stage of the fifty-fourth five-fold sequence presents a picture of what social consciousness can mean in its highest implications. The flag-bearer is unarmed, defensless; yet he can be the rallying point for the total effort of a large collectivity. This is a symbol of CONSECRATION TO AN IDEAL."


...Have you found your 'IDEAL' yet?
...what does your I.C. say about "HOW"....

thanks for the help with this pierce, I don't think I have yet. but like a lot of things in life I find direction and aim difficult.

my I.C. is 15 degrees leo tropical/ 20 degrees cancer sidereal

[multiple]

pierce ,sorry I meant to say 16 degrees. it's rounded up to 1 degree after isn't it?

http://www.cafeastrology.com/sabiansymbols_degreemeanings.html
^ this site with a basic overview says;
"15-16 deg Leo

The Storm Ended, All Nature Rejoices In Brilliant Sunshine"

if that's correct then the interpretation for my I.c. would be 16 degrees leo;

FIRST LEVEL: ACTIONAL
PHASE 136 (LEO 16°): THE STORM ENDED, ALL NATURE REJOICES IN BRILLIANT SUNSHINE.
KEYNOTE: The surge of life and love after a major crisis.
The symbol speaks clearly for itself. How brilliant the light after the long "night of the soul"! The battered but unconquered consciousness finds itself exalted in the marriage of sunbeams and rising sap. This indeed is "Release" — light and life singing in the cleansed and refreshed mind, flooded for a while by the waters of feeling.
This is the first stage in the twenty-eighth five-fold sequence. It is a sequence that reveals consciousness at its most inspiring moments of enjoyment. But these "peak experiences" can operate at several levels. The first and most basic level is that of life itself, and of the overcoming of its many crises — THE JOY AND POWER OF NEW BEGINNINGS.

combined with my ascendant ,round up to 21 degrees? as its 20 degrees;

SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL
PHASE81 (GEMINI 21°): A TUMULTUOUS LABOUR DEMONSTRATION
KEYNOTE: The revolutionary impact of mental concepts upon the collective emotions and desires of man.
This symbol parallels the one that began the process of "exteriorization" (Gemini 16°), but the process is seen here operating definitively at the level of collective responses. The mass of men have been aroused by mental images, slogans and an appetite for the abundance the "ruling class" enjoys. This also applies to the individual person in whom contrasting spheres of activity have taken shape as the result of the mind-based individualizing process. The organic functions make their collective demands upon the lordly intellect. The stage may be set for the kind of "revolution" we call psychoneurosis.
This begins the seventeenth five-fold sequence of symbols. It sets the stage for a tumultuous process, which may lead to a new approach to the problems resulting from individualization. The repressed or oppressed instincts stage an EMOTIONAL OUTBURST, claiming their due.

am I doing this right? , I can provide my chart if you would prefer to have a look at it. :)

[multiple]

...you just don't realize how aggravating it is when you members do this to me...Did you post the correct degree for the Asc. or did you err on that too?

the first one I posted was a degree which is for my sun in my tropical chart and for my mercury in my sidereal. I mentioned it because that degree features and is connected to my personal planets whichever system I use. so from that I figured it was an important degree,I've no idea how to interpret the degrees in relation to planets . it's not my ascendant. although I did state that in my original post.

here is my chart;
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=346&pictureid=1816

sorry for any confusion, I should have made it a bit clearer in my original post.

[multiple]

thanks for taking the time to examine mine pierce, appreciated.I will make a note to get a copy of the book I think so I can learn as much as I can about it.:smile:

[Lynda Hill]

I do not use Sabian symbols. If I were you I wouldn't place any stock in it at all. You cannot derive very specific meanings related to life decisions like going to a covent from a single horoscopic factor that does not take into account the whole chart. Astrology is wholistic by nature. Any method has to take this into account. I especially would not apply Sabian symbols or any other degree-specific interpretation to the Asc degree of an unrectified chart.

There is no basis for fear. Either you're being dramatic or are giving far too much credence to "clairvoyants" that never met you.

Peace.

I have not read the entire thread, so excuse me if you've had a change of heart! It is completely missing the point to think that someone has to 'enter a convent' just because you have Capricorn 24 in your chart.... it's symbolic for goodness sakes!!

It can mean there's a time in your life when you need to enter a peaceful, quiet, contemplative period or you may seek solace in spiritual pursuits. A Sabian Symbol will describe one area of your life...

[chris]

My Ascendant symbol:

6-7 Sagittarius

Cupid Knocks On The Door Of A Human Heart

Midheaven symbol:

11-12 deg Virgo

After The Wedding, The Groom Snatches The Veil Away From His Bride

[EhTeam]

5-6 deg Leo

A Conservative, Old-Fashioned Lady Is Confronted By A "Hippie" Girl

[Yennefer]

I have my chart rectified now so here are my symbols.

WHO: ASC Scorpio 28.22
SCORPIO 29°: AN INDIAN SQUAW PLEADING TO THE CHIEF FOR THE LIVES OF HER CHILDREN.
KEYNOTE: Love as a principle of redemption.

WHERE-TO: DSC Taurus 28.22
TAURUS 29: TWO COBBLERS WORKING AT A TABLE.
KEYNOTE: The two-fold character of man's mature understanding.

HOW: IC Pisces 20.32
PISCES 21°: UNDER THE WATCHFUL AND KIND EYE OF A CHINESE SERVANT, A GIRL FONDLES A LITTLE WHITE LAMB.
KEYNOTE: Growth in consciousness in its earliest tactile awareness of the wonders of unsophisticated living.

WHY: MC Virgo 20.32
VIRGO 21°: A GIRL'S BASKETBALL TEAM.
KEYNOTE: Physical training as a means to inculcate the feeling of participation in a collective culture.

Can anybody shed some light on this?
ASC symbol, as I understand it, speaks of compassion.

[Yennefer]

Thank you very much, PTV! :happy:

I like the idea of ´Love as a Redemption´, it really speaks to my soul (or is my soul speaking to me :smile: ?) And I indeed am repeatedly placed in such situations where this is the only approach to take in order to resolve the situation (= dissolve karma related to it).

I learned to be compassionate and somewhat detached from the situation at the same time when I am experiencing it, this may relate to DSC symbol of different perspectives...It´s like I am aware of different layers of a given situation at the same time. It also depends if it has something to do with me personally and how much I identify with the thing/person/belief, whatever, how much I am emotionally engaged there. If it´s something I perceive as important for me, it is more difficult to see from different angles.

As for the hearing, does it correspond with ´inner voice´ or intuition because I am very intuitive and this has never let me down. But, for me, whatever I intuitively sense, it must ring true and also be confirmed by logic. Like right (intuition) and left (logic) brain working together.

Very very interesting, indeed.

Good night for now, I am going to sleep :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[kbell]

Well I'm an idiot and was 2 minutes off on my birthtime so that moved all of my angles up one. So now I have to rethink my sabians :)

[Skillcoil]

About my Descendant, I forgot to mention that it is Leo 22 degrees. This is the description, interesting.

"22-23 deg Leo
In A Circus The Bareback Rider Displays Her Dangerous Skill"

With the Sabian Symbols, is it something to consider with progressions also?

[Phoenix Venus]

Here is mine:

Who: Asc 0-1 deg Scorpio

A Crowded Sightseeing Bus On A City Street


Where-To: Desc 0-1 deg Taurus

A Clear Mountain Stream


How: Ic 5-6 deg Aquarius

A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play



Why: MC 5-6 deg Leo

A Conservative, Old-Fashioned Lady Is Confronted By A "Hippie" Girl

have no clue what this all means but it sounds interesting :tongue: Anyone like to help explaining?

[Tanne]

This is facinating - I am going to try it out - thank you.

[solarsophie]

Fascinating! Two full hours spent researching and loving it!

I found an Arabic part calculator online, but no formula for Part of Sudden Advancement. Can anyone recommend a link for this formula/calculator?

piercethevale: your interps are most interesting and educational, thanks

:smile:

[dr. farr]

Fascinating! Two full hours spent researching and loving it!

I found an Arabic part calculator online, but no formula for Part of Sudden Advancement. Can anyone recommend a link for this formula/calculator?

piercethevale: your interps are most interesting and educational, thanks

:smile:


Yes: there are 3 formulae for this Lot; you can find them in the "list of lots" at "dreamhouse attic" (google pars hyleg, then go to the site that comes up which has the words dreamhouse attic)

[SagiCap]

My Ascendant symbol:

6-7 Sagittarius

Cupid Knocks On The Door Of A Human Heart

Midheaven symbol:

11-12 deg Virgo

After The Wedding, The Groom Snatches The Veil Away From His Bride

Hey, you definately have a theme going here, Chris. ;) Are you able to share how relevant this is/how it has played out in your life?

[solarsophie]

Yes: there are 3 formulae for this Lot; you can find them in the "list of lots" at "dreamhouse attic" (google pars hyleg, then go to the site that comes up which has the words dreamhouse attic)

:cool: THANKS!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Thanks for those extra links Pierce! I've been playing with them all morning. (I need to get back to cooking. lol.)

Happy Thanksgiving to those that celebrate!

[solarsophie]

piercethevale...thanks for those links...now I am obsessed LOL

Would you read a solar return axis in this method as well. Or just natal and progressed?

[solarsophie]

Thanks piercethevale. I'll shelf my solar return. :w00t: (so ugly considered traveling to change it)

Progressed POf chart next! Then may try posting a synopsis .

[chiron]

WHO: ASC
LEO 4°: A FORMALLY DRESSED ELDERLY MAN STANDS NEAR TROPHIES HE BROUGHT BACK FROM A HUNTING EXPEDITION.
KEYNOTE: The masculine will to conquer his animal nature and to impress his peers with his skill in performing the ancient traditional power rituals.

WHERE-TO: DSC
AQUARIUS 4°: A HINDU YOGI DEMONSTRATES HIS HEALING POWERS.
KEYNOTE: The disciplined use of spiritual energies in restoring the natural harmony disturbed by man's inharmonic attempts to transcend nature through mind.

HOW: IC
LIBRA 25°: THE SIGHT OF AN AUTUMN LEAF BRINGS TO A PILGRIM THE SUDDEN REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY OF LIFE AND DEATH.
KEYNOTE: The ability to discover in every experience a transcendent or cosmic meaning.

WHY: MC
ARIES 25°: THE POSSIBILITY FOR MAN TO GAIN EXPERIENCE AT TWO LEVELS OF BEING.
KEYNOTE: The revelation of new potentialities.

Does anyone understand what these means?

[chiron]

...DUDE [or Dudette?]....!!!!!...these are beautiful....what a journey you are on...the 25th of Libra is my 12 house cusp [Placidus] and the 12 house cusp represents ones answer to the 'problems that confront the world'...perfect for a Sabian Astrologer...
It says you are to overcome your animal nature as a yogi would [I'm a Yogi]
How, by seeing just how 'Cosmic' it all is...and why...Well, let me use this 'simile'...Galahd was ascended into Heaven without having to 'Die' and he thus became the man with a foot in both realms...[Capiche?]

I know the reincarnation of Galahad in this liftime...he is known as Suryakant [Sanskrit for "Ray of the Sun"] and his M.C. is "(ARIES 7°): A MAN SUCCEEDS IN EXPRESSING HIMSELF SIMULTANEOUSLY IN TWO REALMS."


It says you are to overcome your animal nature as a yogi would [I'm a Yogi]
Is that what all of it says?

[chiron]

...DUDE [or Dudette?]....!!!!!...these are beautiful....what a journey you are on...the 25th of Libra is my 12 house cusp [Placidus] and the 12 house cusp represents ones answer to the 'problems that confront the world'...perfect for a Sabian Astrologer...
It says you are to overcome your animal nature as a yogi would [I'm a Yogi]
How, by seeing just how 'Cosmic' it all is...and why...Well, let me use this 'simile'...Galahd was ascended into Heaven without having to 'Die' and he thus became the man with a foot in both realms...[Capiche?]

I know the reincarnation of Galahad in this liftime...he is known as Suryakant [Sanskrit for "Ray of the Sun"] and his M.C. is "(ARIES 7°): A MAN SUCCEEDS IN EXPRESSING HIMSELF SIMULTANEOUSLY IN TWO REALMS."

Quick question you seem to be experienced with sabian symbols and their meanings have you seen a difference in meanings with sidereal charts. Did the sidereal chart describe the same journey as the tropical chart or did it describe more lessons that you are learning in this lifetime?

[chiron]

...your 'HOW' says for you to see the cosmic significance...study...read the symbols thoroughly...and do you imply or are you saying that you are a 'YOGI'...then you should already see that it is working...

No I didn't mean to say I am a Yogi. I don't feel it either I just pasted what you said and asked was that the overall meaning are there different types of yogi's or is there only one.

[chiron]

I don't do sidereal charts...got no use for 'em...at least not to date...my clairvoyant says to stick to tropical when I'm doing Sabians...they are still where there were 2000 yrs. ago...go figure...

Did you use your draconic chart if so did you see a relationship to this lifetime as well? I'm sorry I feel like I'm asking stupid questions.

[chiron]

..ps...it doesn't mean to literally become a 'YOGI'... as in joining an order or an Ashraam...but if I had the that symbology I would ...but, I should mention, I was in India in my last life.

That's what I assumed you were saying good thing you wrote a ps. When it said noticing the cosmic in life it kind of confused me because I think I may overdue it by saying something is cosmic when in reality its not. So if the mc says why you are going "there" does the north node still have a factor in this. For example how does your north node act with the asc, dsc,ic,mc. Is the north node its own separate entity?

[chiron]

...well, the N. Node represents a group of souls incarnating together and what they are trying to accomplish as a group...Mine is the 7th of Aquar.
[Rudhyar] "(AQUARIUS 7°): A CHILD IS SEEN BEING BORN OUT OF AN EGG.

KEYNOTE: The emergence of new mutations according to the great rhythms of the cosmos.

The ancient symbolism of the Cosmic Egg (Hiranyagharba in Sanskrit) out of which a new universe is born can be interpreted at several levels. Here we see the appearance of a new type of human being who is not born from "Ancestors" and who therefore is free from the inertia of mankind's past. He is a new product of evolution, a mutant. He constitutes a fresh projection of the creative Spirit that emanates from the cosmic or planetary Whole, and not from any local culture and racial tradition.

This second stage symbol is in contrast with the preceding one. It can be said to announce the EMERGENCE OF GLOBAL MAN for the New Age. The power of the whole is focused within him in perfect freedom from ancient standards of value based on local conditions."


...and Dudette..."It is ALL COSMIC":wink::wink::joyful::joyful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqqGFoASs9s

PISCES 12°: IN THE SANCTUARY OF AN OCCULT BROTHERHOOD, NEWLY INITIATED MEMBERS ARE BEING EXAMINED AND THEIR CHARACTER TESTED.

KEYNOTE: The ever-repeated challenge presented to the individual by the group in which he has claimed acceptance — the challenge to prove himself and his ability to assume responsibility effectively.

At any level of activity, sooner or later life itself demands of the individual that he or she stand up clearly and unequivocally to the ideal he himself has declared publicly his own. At the occult level the testing seems to be controlled and irrevocable. The "initiate" has become a constituent part of an integrated field of mental-spiritual activity. He is therefore controlled by the structural order of the group. He is no longer seeking; having found his place, he must prove himself able to fulfill the function associated with it. He is no longer "free" as an individual, for he has become a part of an integral Whole operating under structural principles of immense antiquity.

This second symbolic stage of unfoldment stands in contrast to the first in that the individual is now bound by collective laws and traditions. At a mundane political or business level he is the junior executive incorporated in a hierarchical institution. He has at all times to prove his worth. QUALIFICATION is an apt Keyword.



So could it be souls who have the same north node symbol incarnating as a group trying to accomplish a goal.

[Vagabondgirl]

If the AC is correct....

AC (Who) 4 deg. Gemini: A Revolutionary Magazine Asking For Action

DC (Where-to) 4 deg. Sagittarius: An Old Owl Sits Alone On The Branch Of A Large Tree

IC (How) 18 deg. Cancer: A Priest Performing A Marriage Ceremony

MC (why) 18 deg. Capricorn: A Five-Year-Old Child Carrying A Bag Filled With Groceries

[Yennefer]

If the AC is correct....

AC (Who) 4 deg. Gemini: A Revolutionary Magazine Asking For Action

DC (Where-to) 4 deg. Sagittarius: An Old Owl Sits Alone On The Branch Of A Large Tree

IC (How) 18 deg. Cancer: A Priest Performing A Marriage Ceremony

MC (why) 18 deg. Capricorn: A Five-Year-Old Child Carrying A Bag Filled With Groceries

Vagabondgirl,

what you wrote are symbols for Gem/Sag 5 and Cancer/Cap 19. In Sabians, there are degrees from 1 to 30 (not 0 to 29), that means that for example 7°42´ is read as 8 degrees.

[Vagabondgirl]

Vagabondgirl,

what you wrote are symbols for Gem/Sag 5 and Cancer/Cap 19. In Sabians, there are degrees from 1 to 30 (not 0 to 29), that means that for example 7°42´ is read as 8 degrees.

Hmmm. Ok. On cafeastrology it said it was for degree 4-5 of gemini. So thought it meant between 4-5 degrees. and the one before is from 3-4....

[Vagabondgirl]

Haha, ok. So its correct that I use 5 degree gemini for my 4 something degree gemini? Sorry Im a bit slow.... and the century thing doesnt apply for my natal country:D

[Vagabondgirl]

Yes, I kind of get the picture. Norway:)

[Page_of_Pentacles]

As per Rudhyar's explanations, and ptv's who-how-where-why scheme:

WHO: 30° Gem - A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS. The setting of social standards through personal excellence and competition. SHOW.

HOW: 4° Vir - BLACK AND WHITE CHILDREN PLAY TOGETHER HAPPILY. The overcoming of socio-cultural prejudices. BROTHERHOOD.

WHERE TO: 30° Sag - THE POPE, BLESSING THE FAITHFUL. The need to pay homage to traditional values upon which the Invisible Community of the spirit is built. Keywords: PERSONALIZED WORSHIP.

WHY: 4° Pis - HEAVY CAR TRAFFIC ON A NARROW ISTHMUS LINKING TWO SEASHORE RESORTS. The mobility and intensity of interchange which make possible and characterize complex social processes. TRAFFIC.

Sooo... Habemus Papam? :joyful:

As I understand the meanings, the general theme is the bridging of divides and connecting people (hence the MLKesque image of the kids playing and the narrow isthmus - a connection between landmasses). Not sure how the Pope figures into all of this, and I'd quite enjoy a more thorough interpretation if anyone cares to offer it. The chart I'm working off is based on my birth certificate birth time (AA in Rodden parlance), but since the gloriously efficient Croatian medical bureaucracy rounds off the times to the nearest 5 minutes, there's a slight chance the ascendant is in fact 0° Cancer (i.e. 1° Cancer in Sabian). Slight, I say - I think a Gemini ascendant suits me better.

Perhaps a more complete picture can be given by a few more Sabians for certain other parts of my chart:

Part of Fortune: 29° Vir - A SEEKER AFTER OCCULT KNOWLEDGE IS READING AN ANCIENT SCROLL WHICH ILLUMINES HIS MIND. After a crisis one should seek to realign the renewed consciousness with the primordial Revelation of the Truth of Man. ROOT KNOWLEDGE.

North Node: 2° Ari - A COMEDIAN REVEALS HUMAN NATURE. The capacity to look objectively at oneself and at others. OBJECTIVATION OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

Part of Sudden Advancement: 9° Ari - A CRYSTAL GAZER. The development of an inner realization of organic wholeness. CONCENTRATED ATTENTION.

Part of Catastrophe: 4° Leo - A FORMALLY DRESSED ELDERLY MAN STANDS NEAR TROPHIES HE BROUGHT BACK FROM A HUNTING EXPEDITION. The masculine will to conquer his animal nature and to impress his peers with his skill in performing the ancient traditional power rituals.

[Page_of_Pentacles]

...it's Rudhyars' 'Scheme' not mine...although I believe in it...

Yes, sorry... I couldn't glean the origin of it from a cursory glance of the thread. Also, by "scheme" I didn't mean to imply anything derogatory - merely a way of interpreting the chart.

[ImNotThere9]

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[chiron]

Part of Fortune: VIRGO 17°: A VOLCANIC ERUPTION.
KEYNOTE: The explosive energy of long-repressed contents of the subconscious.

Part of Sudden Advancement:ARIES 21°: A PUGILIST ENTERS THE RING.
KEYNOTE: The release and glorification of social aggressiveness.

Part of Catastrophe:VIRGO 12°: AFTER THE WEDDING, THE GROOM SNATCHES THE VEIL AWAY FROM HIS BRIDE.
KEYNOTE: The penetrating and unveiling power of the trained mind.

My part of catastrophe is my south node

[chiron]

WOW...The 17th of Virgo is Miss Xs' and my composite Part of Fortune [Compare to my Mars at 5* Gemini]

[my Part of Sucess 21* Leo 36' [Rudhyar] "(LEO 22°): A CARRIER PIGEON FULFILLING ITS MISSION.

KEYNOTE: Spirituality, in terms of training for service to mankind.

In contrast with the intoxicated chicken, we now have the successfully trained carrier pigeon delivering the message it was its function to carry. Here the domesticated bird is seen endowed with a special significance and purpose. This refers to spiritual energies which are being used constructively and which bring to the consciousness messages from other realms. Individual realizations acquire their true meaning only as they fulfill a collective function.

This second stage symbol clearly presents a contrasting alternative to what the preceding picture revealed. The "release" of higher energies becomes effective and valuable to the extent to which it serves a higher, but concrete and definite, purpose. This is the ideal of the WORLD SERVER."


...and I was accepted into the Sadhan Order of Yoga...most recently... Om Namah Sri prabhu Ram Lal OMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhana

...I live for this ....

Do you understand what these sabian symbols mean in reference to the parts? I am trying to figure what it means when my part of catastrophe is the same as my south node as well.

Oh and what does the my 17th virgo mean in comparison to you & Miss X or were you just saying you have the same symbol at these placements

[chiron]

; "([B]VIRGO 17°): A VOLCANIC ERUPTION.

KEYNOTE: The explosive energy of long-repressed contents of the subconscious.

We are dealing here with the dramatic release of energies which have been kept in check by the outer shell of the ego controlled consciousness. It may be a spectacular catharsis, but it often takes paths of destruction. Yet unless some form of purification by fire is experienced, the inner pressure of the karmic past or of more recent frustrations would shake up perhaps even more destructively the very foundations of the personality.

At this second stage, the objective confrontation with an image of the karmic past is replaced by a subjective irruption of repressed memories and primitive cravings. Everything must be released from the psyche seeking to attain the transfigured state. The soul must become empty, the mind translucent. The Keyword is EXPLOSION.



It is our 'Composite' Part of Fortune... that's 'Composite'... as in...i.e. How the world perceives us as a couple...in unison...and what the best approach to getting this knowledge out is...We are here to "Pump You Up"!

Thanks :D
This is so fascinating I am pretty much looking at my planets (sun,moon, neptune etc)and reading the posts of other members on how the symbols relate to them.

[fushiafairy]

Saw my angle degrees mentioned by a few others as their angles. :happy:

WHO : asc: 3-4 virgo :Black And White Children Play Together Happily
WHERE: des: 3-4 deg Pisces: Heavy Car Traffic On A Narrow Isthmus Linking Two Seashore Resorts
-oh, I've been there on Maui once....the traffic was horrible, but I did see some great rainbows.:biggrin:
WHY: MC: 28-29 taurus: Two Cobblers Working At A Table
-cause handcrafted is better and more artsy, and work goes faster with company.
HOW: IC: 28-29 deg Scorpio : An Indian Squaw Pleading To The Chief For The Lives Of Her Children

Moms:
My IC along with my
Sun: 17-18 deg Cancer: A Hen Scratching The Ground To Find Nourishment For Her Progeny
Jupiter: 22-23 deg Aries: A Pregnant Woman In Light Summer Dress
-oh my, in my 8th house, no wonder I was so fertile in my youth!
Pluto: 6-7 deg Libra: A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks- not a mother, but nurturing.

Children:
Along with my ASC, there was:
Anti-Vertex: 28-29 deg Cancer: A Greek Muse Weighing Newborn Twins In Golden Scales- I have twins.
North Node: 29-30 deg Scorpio: Children In Halloween Costumes Indulge In Various Pranks

astrology, divination, cosmos:
Vertex: 28-29 deg Capricorn: A Woman Reading Tea Leaves
moon: 6-7 deg Leo: The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky
uranus: 28-29 deg Libra : Mankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To Generation

I also had several with water and a couple artistic ones.