Airline Terrorism

[Futurist]

Hi

I'm not usually into straightforward prediction work but would like to suggest that we could pool our skills to alert anyone, who would listen, to 'hot' dates concerning possible airline terrorism and threats (esp between the UK and USA) for the duration of this Saturn/Pluto -120- and the Saturn/Neptune-180-

I use a chart which seems to be very relevant to events like 9/11, Lockerbie and the Aug 10th disruption etc etc.

The chart data is 2 May 1952, Hounslow, Middlesex, UK 15.12 LMT. This is the chart for the first commercial jet airline flight.

By studying this chart (including midpoints and progressions) and those of airport offical openings (i.e The opening of Heathrow Airport is 31 May 1946 Hounslow, Middlesex, UK Noon. Gatwick, 9 June 1958 etc) it is possible to notice dates when disruption is likely. Admittedly this could be due to baggage handling strikes or pilot walk outs, bad weather etc but the markers seem to be quite clear. i.e look at chart for the first flight and 10 Aug 2006, 0800, Hounslow. (Aug 10th was the date of the foiled terrorist attack and suspension of all handbaggage).

I noticed that Mars is coming up to 2 May 1952 saturn on 22 Sep 2006 and then realised this is also an eclipse. I ran a few charts of the major airports and it definitely looks like something is up.

If those with the inclination could do this periodically then we might be able to start a 'hot list' of dates for the duration of this current heightened alert.

Just an idea

K x
PS
I also feel that the recent emergence of Ceres (Mothers, nurturing) and Xena (Warrior Woman) could point to the use of pregnant women (or womens products) being implicated and would suggest we pay extra special attention to 'apparently' or actually pregnant women boarding planes. It's an abhorrent idea but women and even child suicide bombers are common in the Middle East. In the latest Al Zawahiri tape he also uses the words - pregnant with possibility.

[freedomlover]

Well, where there is smoke, there's fire.

I have had enough "interesting coincidences" happen on this subject in a few short hours, that I thought I should share them with you.

Futurist: At the same time you were making this post, I had the strange feeling I should check on the chart generator for what the "daily weather" was. (This is the chart I was referring to in my "AW chart generator post". I had to reconstruct it, but I am very sure of some of the placements, and this looks like the identical chart to the one on the chart generator) I have uploaded the chart for you all to consider. I am not very skilled at mundane astrology (relationships and emotional healing are my specialty). However, from what I did know of it, it seems that what Futurist described could possibly be seen in this chart.

In addition, I asked the Sabian Symbol generator for an interpretation of this chart. It was "Indian woman pleading to the chief for the lives of her children" at 29* Scorpio. The picture that appeared under the oracle's answer was of an AIRPLANE flying over a snow-covered mountain range!!!!

Other "strange coincidences" were: I had a sudden urge to check a prophetic site called "www.theelijahlist.com". The post I happened to click on was about a man who said that when several people keep getting the same symbols, etc - that God is trying to get the group's attention. (paraphrased) The incident he was specifically referring to was the 9-11 airplane terrorist attacks. He made the comment that if more people had listened to the symbolic warnings they were getting in the Spirit and prayed or warned others, that maybe it wouldn't have happened, or not so severely. (paraphrased)

The teenage son of the friend I stay with walked in the room and started talking about "inventive solutions" for world problems (with a sick sense of humor). The first thing he spoke about was an English theory (sarcastically) called "A modest proposal", about solving the population problem by killing babies and eating them. Then he said he had one of his own. This would be a proposal to end the problem with the terrorists in the Middle East. He said to just kill them all, then we would have their oil. ( I know this sounds kind of strange, but I thought it very odd that he would come in the room and suddenly start talking about this as I was contemplating the chart/Sabian symbols I did and Futurist's post. Refer to thread "Strange coincidences" if you're not familiar with Divine guidance speaking this way) The theme that struck me about his "ideas" was one of radically insane ways of solving problems, which is the kind of mindset that terrorists have.

Also, I checked my "myspace", and felt the sudden urge to click on a certain person's random picture. The caption was "My God is better than your God. Let's war."

I have had several prophetic warnings (visions, dreams, and such) regarding airplanes or attack by air over the last few years. I have just "filed these for future reference" - as I did not know what to do with them. ( I prayed, of course.) Again, I find all today's "coincidences" very interesting when taken as "the big picture".

I repeat: Where there's smoke, there's fire.......

What do the rest of you have to say about this????
View chart for "Indian woman pleading to the chief for the lives of her children" (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/freedomlover65/achart_ekmfileTH4jDg-u1060735030-6.gif)


(If you're having trouble viewing the chart, you'll need to do one of the following, depending on your browser: Click in the upper left hand corner - you should see a little magnifying glass
OR Click in the upper left hand corner - look for orange ball with blue arrows in lower right hand corner of chart - click on the orange ball.)
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[freedomlover]

Some "copy and paste" from a reliable astrological site:

"Mercury spends the day on the World Axis, so expect some important news that affects the whole planet in a Libran kind of way… maybe some news about an important relationship, or about the state of justice in the world, or about world peace. Please don’t let my perceptions limit you, it can be anything at all, and it pays, handsomely, to be vigilant for your own Truth these days."

"The day is all about Mercury and nothing else. There are no aspects at all until 5pm EDT, when the Moon trines Mercury on the world axis (29 Virgo, where the next eclipse will be)… This translates into a foreshadowing of what that eclipse on the 22nd has to offer. The Moon then goes void for ONE MINUTE, and that fast shift is yet another shade of Mercury. That kind of movement can only be attributed to the agility and dexterity of the winged messenger himself. In a moment, we shift from the slow moving, rocklike, immovable energy of Taurus to the etheric, always in motion changing energy of Gemini."

I found this interesting in light of all my "symbols" today in the way of messages, etc, and especially Futurist's post.

[unukalhai]

Very interesting on the 1952 chart. I need to cast charts for some more airline incidents to get a feel for how it may work.. is it just me, or does that Moon/Pluto conjunction seem to be sensitive?

The Saturn/Neptune midpoint of the 1952 chart shares the same degree as the ascendant when the first plane hit, which was also the degree of Mercury that day as Mercury was exactly rising. The Sun/Mars midpoint on 9/11 was equal to Mars in the 1952 chart and Mars/Sun where both a septile 1952Mars. tight orbs, too. Midpoints are generally far more powerful when the involve harmonic aspects.

Aug10 2006 the Saturn/Pluto midpoint conjuncted 1952 Neptune. Confusion, uncertainly (Neptune) in relation to SA/PL (terrorism, war, loss) cycle.

Another thing to keep in mind with attacks of big proportions is the frequency of a luminary (Sun/Moon) at a fairly difficult midpoint.

911 SU=SA/CH
7/7 SU=MA/JU
OKC SU=SA/ASC
... And just this morning, in the Syria US Embassy attack, MO/JU=SA/NE (exactly activated grand cross) ... This is not the case always, but often.

[Futurist]

Thanks FreedomLover and Unukalhai.

Just want to add that last night there was a piece on the BBC News saying that a review of airline baggage/security measures is expected to be announced on Tuesday with implementation of the new measures/restrictions taking effect by the weekend. (21st/22nd)

Therefore, it seems that at far as the 22nd is concerned, I am thankfully barking up the wrong tree. Hopefully all the Mars/Saturn aspect means is that airports in the UK will be processing people more slowly than in recent weeks due to the extra search time that will be necessary with renewed, increased handbaggage allowances.

This is the main problem that I encounter with any attempts at straghtforward prediction, as opposed to highlighting trends - there are so many ways that aspects can manifest. Pinpointing exact manifestations probably owes a lot to intuition, and noticing signs,concidences and symbols (as Freedomlover says), combined with aspect interpretation. Running horary charts could possibly add an extra dimension of insight but I'm not strong in that area so maybe someone who is could run a horary whenever a 'date' is pinpointed? Perhaps someone can do one for the 22nd "Is there a terrorist plot planned against passenger aircraft for the weeknd of 22nd September 2006?"

Kind regards
Kx
ps The exercise of watching transits to this May '52 chart and running a 'hot dates' list is not without merit and I stand by the need to be cautious over the 'women' threat overall in this entire period and well into next year.

[freedomlover]

Just some additional thoughts I've had on this subject.....
Since this is an eclipse, possibly the energy would be "activated" or "triggered" by another planet crossing it sometime in the future. I've observed this in my own life - the energy not being activated until another planet crossed it.

Also, the signs I was getting didn't necessarily point to it being at an airport, but something in general to do with air transportation and violence.

The thought occurred to me that the "women" theme may be that it comes from countries or organizations which believe the female gender to be inferior to the male, and where equality is suppressed. This is a very Aries - Mars theme, after all, and the eclipse does pretty much land on the Fall equinox. Libra can be either peace or war - peace if there is true equality and balance, war if there is not.

[unukalhai]

If your concerned about the UK, you might check out how the jupiter/saturn/neptune t-square which will be most active in the first week of october lines up with the 1801 UK national chart.

the jupiter/saturn square, in its exactness, lines up with the 3/29 solar eclipse.. the last jupiter/saturn square, around the time of the summer solstice, lined up with the 3/14 lunar eclipse. in both cases the midpoints of the squares are right on the eclipses.

honestly, i think the first half of october is probably the most intense period coming up. mars makes a series of midpoints with the slow planets just prior which seems fairly intense.

9/11 mars=jupiter/saturn [conjunction]
9/21 mars opposes 3/29 solar eclipse
9/22 solar eclipse @ final degree of virgo
9/29 mars=pluto/chiron [square]
9/30 mars=uranus/neptune [sesquiquadrate]
10/1 mars=jupiter/uranus [square]
10/3 mars=saturn/uranus [sesquiquadrate]
10/4 chiron=mars/saturn [sesquiquadrate]
10/6 jupiter=saturn/neptune [conjunction]

[MichelleAnderson]

I have really enjoyed reading this thread and find that you are really right about these dates. I wish that more people would listen to what astrology says so that we could avoid more disasters.

[Nackie]

I'm worried now! I will be flying with my family from Frankfurt to Detroit on Oct. 8th (10:40 am). Would someone be willing to check this for me?

Thanks so much,
Nackie

[MichelleAnderson]

I honestly don't think that astrology is something that should make you worried. I think of it more as a useful tool to help us navigate through life. With that said, hopefully someone will be able to help you soon.

[Nackie]

Well, we're back and everything went smoothly. The US Border guys were actually pleasant at the airport (think they had some schooling!) But crossing the border back and forth from Canada, we had a few unpleasant dealings--it makes me really, really mad the power these guys have over you, especially as it is very subjective. My husband went with the rental car with my dad and my son to Detroit to the science center. They didn't have the rental papers with them (it was the 4th border crossing, and we had never needed them), they got pulled over for 45 minutes, finally complained and the lady told them to go back over the bridge, turn around and try another customs booth. They had no problem getting over the second time and weren't asked for their car papers.

I just wish that Americans (sorry, I know it sounds awful considering there are a lot here) would realize how they are isolating themselves from the rest of the world. If the airport wasn't so close as it was to my parents (only about 20 miles) I would NOT EVER fly into the states. But the next closest Canadian airport is 4 hours away, so we do. And then to be treated like a criminal, just to be crossing the border to Canada--and I am a fair-haired Canadian with anglo-saxon roots.

Terrorism doesn't just come from the outside!

[MichelleAnderson]

You know I agree with you Nackie. It is crazy how much we exclude ourselves and try to hide from the world. I honestly think that the next terrorism attack will come from within the US itself.

[lilllybelle]

Hello Nackie, I'm sorry about your experience in America. My country does a lot of things that I don't agree with ecspecially in regards to the war with Iraq. People in charge or in positions of authority can often be difficult to deal with. They have to much of a power trip going on.
That being said a lot of people in the world hate America, understandablly so, and they want to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. Our goverment needs to be as strict as they possibly can at the borders and at the airports. There are anglo saxons who want to kill us too. If our goverment had been more cautious about our national security, maybe 9-11 wouldn't of happened. I'm sorry that you weren't treated with respect by a couple of power tripping security guards, but my country is at war and we have to do what we have to do to protect our people. I also want to make it clear that I don't support the war in Iraq or President Bush. Sincerely, L.

[virgo96019]

around the time of the last airline attempt of terrorism on the US (liquid explosives) i pulled a chart on what and when the next terrorist attack would be, well i didn't get the when but i am fairly certian of the what. everything pointed to water boats and ships. i have a bad feeling about this, i am very concerned about the security on cruise ships. has anyone else gotten this? i hate this war, i hate that so many innocent people are dying, i have a difficult time praying for myself these days because my problems seem so insignificant in comparison, so i pray for world peace.
virgo

[Arian Maverick]

around the time of the last airline attempt of terrorism on the US (liquid explosives) i pulled a chart on what and when the next terrorist attack would be, well i didn't get the when but i am fairly certian of the what. everything pointed to water boats and ships. i have a bad feeling about this, i am very concerned about the security on cruise ships. has anyone else gotten this? i hate this war, i hate that so many innocent people are dying, i have a difficult time praying for myself these days because my problems seem so insignificant in comparison, so i pray for world peace.
virgo

I think Draco came to a similar conclusion from a horary chart he created several months ago! :eek:

Where and When? / Next Fundamentalist Terrorist Attack? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1704)

I am inclined to suspect that the next atrocity will involve a sea borne vessel, and being Jupiter, wealthy and worldly as he is, more likely a cruise-ship. Jupiter has aspect to Uranus/DC through retrograde, and as well as ruling the DC it also rules the radical fourth, which is said in tradition to be the place of 'drowning' and the 'grave'. Here is an illustration of a sinking ship perhaps?

If this is the case then it is interesting that Neptune is upon the 6th cusp, the house of injury and dis-ease, which may suggest assault on shipping. Although I would not consider Neptune to rule the Pisces Descendant, it is still interesting to consider that to those who would, this Neptune shows the terrorist activity: more intriguing still.

Given these indications I am caused to think that sea borne vessels are at risk for the next attack.

Arian Maverick

[virgo96019]

Wow! I hope were wrong! I wish i still had the chart, I lost it when my computer crashed.

[MichelleAnderson]

In some ways it would be great to be wrong but there are some things that simply are unavoidable and I think that in this case we're right. I'm waiting with baited breath to see what will happen. With so many of us saying that this is going to happen I think we're right.