Is the predicion by Edgar Cayce re great flood true

[Neptune Rising]

Hi all

Been reading about Edgar Cayce's predictions, especially regarding Atlantis. According to Cayce, there was a great civilization many years BC, that was destroyed by three occurances, one of them being a flood caused by earthquake that eventually caused the piece of land to be buried beneath the ocean.

At around the time of Cayce predicting that Atlantis will rise, there was the discovery of the Bimini Road, thought to be a road associated with the civilization. It is also thought that some of the 'refugees' from Atlantis settled in Egypt and they recorded evidence of Atlantis' existance - the evidence is located somewhere in Egypt.

Cayce also predicted that the poles will shift around the millenia, causing the Earth's climate to start to change, the Earth's crust will move causing earthquakes that will start another great flood that will change life on earth forever.

I know its controversial to mention Noah's Ark and this flood long gone, but similarites strike me. Also, I don't know why this is a theory, why people discount it as false... why would a piece of land buried by tectonic forces be so hard to believe, and therefore discount? :sideways: It happens all the time during earthquakes, all it takes is for a MAJOR one to strike and a huge mass of land is lost. Why does a bulk of modern human life find it hard to accept that there could have been a civilization more advanced than itself? I guess it is easy for stories that have long past, to develop into a type of fantasy, as it is mostly remembered without the scientific proof that is so valued in these times. So the story may slightly change, but I feel the main jist remains. Land is also rising all the time as the plates move around. Part of what Cayce predicted involved lands rising. A link which outlines some of Cayce's predictions is HERE (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html).

I asked a horary chart, if this will actually happen.

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For this type of chart, I don't know which houses to use. Mars is right at the MC. A late Ascendant in a fixed sign, maybe says its true (already happening)..

Pluto/Uranus/Saturn associated with tectonic movements, funnily enough placed at the IC/MC axis. Jupiter there also joining in with his expansive ways. Mars ruling the ascendant moving to join the heavy quartet.

3rd house rules communications, also predictions... Saturn is very well place in Libra at the MC, with Moon trining it suggests that this prediction is true.

Moon is also in Mars dignity, exhaltation by almost exact degree, with a trine from the Moon, suggests a yes also.

NR

[Kuntuzangmo]

Hi nr,
Well, it depends on who you ask.
Within the world of science it's common knowledge that the earth goes through massive upheaval on a geologically regular basis. All over the planet there are ruins and evidence of exceptionally complex and sophisticated civilizations that ended....some by natural means, some by "conquering" forces, some in a combination.
I personally think and feel there's a mass amnesia, if you will, and ignorance often because there's always a huge effort in the one instance of agressors, those who destroy culture, over long periods of time to impute their own beliefs and way of life on the geography and people who once stood, and thrived in that place. They make huge strides to wipe out the value of what was there and use and exploit whatever resources available to create a life from their own point of view. And usually the new paradigm, as history has shown us, is devoid of the benefit of often thousands of years of evolving and spontaeous wisdom, trial and error and so forth. Therefore history and truth of what was for that particular place and people on the planet are lost. It has happened all across the globe and continues today....in my modest opinion.
Religious imperialism and greed are usually the impetous for such actualities. Lack of compassion, lack of the wisdom to value another perspective and forcing ones own belief on another is the root of such losses. And sadly there are religions in the world today who still believe their way is the only way, and everyone else is either totally negative, ignorant, wicked, crazy, deluded and therefore doomed and/or should be wiped out. There is remarkable fear, jealousy, ignorance and who knows what plethora of negativties regarding others who feel differently or live differently from them. I personally feel this is the crux of our problems on the planet today.
The desire on the part of some for social, cultural, political and spiritual hegemony, I feel, is agression personified. Nature and humans thrive in a climate of diversity. Hegemony equals destruction.
We have lost countless valuable perspectives, wisdom, spiritual traditions, ways of thinking, wisdom regarding nature and our relation to her, technologies, arts, philosophies, ways of life ad infinitum as a result. The examples are many and obvious so I don't feel the need to list them.
I will include the current destruction of the natural elements of space, air, fire, water, earth and the animal habitat within them, to the scope of current massive ignorance.
Animals are the canaries in the coal-mine of human activity...
Thank you for bringing these highly important issues to the fore.
kz

ps, I've started a new thread in "hot topics" , as I realize that I'm not really responding here to the horary question...but took it in a different direction. Please go there if you'd like to discuss these issues I've presented more thoroughly.

[Catatonia]

I'm going to use this as a "Is the rumor true?" question and use the 3rd house. The Ascendant is late, and the Moon is void of course in the sign of Saturn (Moon in Capricorn). According to this horary, nothing will come about of the matter.

Best,

Catatonia

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Kuntuzangmo and Catatonia for your responses.

Yes, Catatonia Moon is void, its a good point. However its within orb of the trine to Saturn, and sextile to Jupiter. Stil, not sure what it means, need to do a bit of research.

Its within orb of opposition to Sun also.

Moon trines Saturn, opposes Sun, then sextiles Jupiter.

Kuntuzangmo, wonderful, I was thinking exactly the same thing! I might copy what I've written over to your thread.

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I thought I'd take a look at the Sabian symbols:

Ascendant = An Indian Squaw Pleading To The Chief For The Lives Of Her Children

Moon = a large aviary (?)

North Node = An Illustrated Lecture On Natural Science Reveals Little-Known Aspects Of Life

The Ascendant meaning looks quite interesting, maybe this says something about the nature of the present time. As Cayce predicted, on Atlantis there was two sides, a good side and an evil side. I need to read more to be completely accurate in quoting Cayce, but I believe when the two sides were against each other in a war, this preceded the destruction of Atlantis. He said we will face the same type of choices at this time. This reminds me of what's happening with the banking 'financial nu clear war' that is being waged against us, the public. Kind of like, good against evil. Us being the children, Indian squaw, mother nature/Earth, the Chief, those in power...

Its a lot of heavy energy being imposed on us at the moment, we are being forced to giving our energy to the banks, through reading the newspapers, listening to the news, "national debt" is such a common place word these days. Its giving over energy, but negative energy, which makes me wonder if that is what the banking institutions thrive on... But this in turn stifles creativity, the 'children' of our imaginations, our hearts!


North Node symbol is also interesing (to me anyways), it seems so straight forward. Is this the revealing through the research of something that is actually a fact. It is little known, and as already mentioned, often brushed off as a fantasy. But information about Atlantis is often being found more and more these days, in books, over the internet. In turn consciousness is become aware of things such as this.

NR

[Gsoler]

To find out if a prediction is true you would have to find the following:

1. If it is a rumour, look at third house. If it is from an astrologer, a psychic or a medium, you would look at the ninth. If the prediction was made by someone you know, use the appropiate house. Their significator would have to be angular.
2. Fixed signs on the angles.
3. The Moon in an angle.

Therefore, that particular prediction is not true.

[dr. farr]

In addition to Gsoler's indications, you could also apply the Part of Truth or Falsity:
Asc+Moon-Mercury: see what sign the Part lands in: (make the chart in whole sign for ease of determination)
-first see if the Part falls in the sign in which the Dragon's Tail is posited; if it does, the answer is false
-if the Part falls in any other sign, compare it to the place of the Sun (symbol of cosmic truth):
-if the Part is in the same sign as the Sun = true
-if in 1 sign away from the Sun's sign = too close to call
-if in 2 signs away ("sign sextile") from the Sun = probably true
-if in 3 signs away ("sign square") from the Sun = false
-if in 4 signs away ("sign trine") from the Sun = true
-if in 5 signs away ("sign inconjunct") from Sun = probably false
-if 6 signs away ("sign opposition") from Sun = false

[Neptune Rising]

Cool, thanks Gosler and Dr Farr!

I was hoping to learn about false and truth finding in horaries, thanks for showing me how.

Dr Farr, not sure I'm doing it right.
I got Ascendant = 238.67
Moon = 297.87
Mercury = 146.85

Asc 238.67 - Moon 297.87 + Merc 146.85 = 389.69 :sad:


Gsoler,
Do all 4 of the angles have to be fixed?
Yes Moon is succadent, so is Sun.
I'd use the 9th house as Cayce was considered a psychic/medium/channel, even though he was primarily a healer = Sun. Sun is fixed also, as well as succadent.

Perhaps the opposition to the Sun also indicates a no?

NR

[Culpeper]

It seems I was once very interested in Cayce as I found four biographies of him in my closet book case. I remember reading them, but it was some time ago now.

But as for your horary chart, I will use classical houses and methods or medieval. Scorpio is the first house. According to Bonatti, Cayce is given the first house and Mars as his significators since he is unrelated to any of us. The querent has the Moon as his significator. Earth changes and earthquakes are a fourth house matter which in this method has Aquarius and Saturn as significators. Also Saturn and Mercury in harsh aspect are the natural significators of earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunami.

The Moon is in trine aspect to Mars and is not void until it leaves the 27th degree. Mars is in its terms, and the Moon is in the dignities of Mars. Mars is close to Saturn but they are out of sign so the malefic conjunction is not in effect. My conclusion from this is that Cayce's predictions will not harm you at least as long as you remain in England. This is an absolute question so the prediction of the chart could be in effect for many years possibly up to 40 years.

In addition, Saturn is in its exaltation where it causes less trouble. There is no aspect at all with Mercury. There are just no serious earthquakes or earth changes in sight in this chart. The answer to the question is No.

[BobZemco]

Asc 238.67 - Moon 297.87 + Merc 146.85 = 389.69 :sad:

Subtract 360°

Here's how I do the math for Parts.

There are 12 Signs, numbered this way:

0 Aries
1 Taurus
2 Gemini
3 Cancer
4 Leo
5 Virgo
6 Libra
7 Scorpio
8 Sagittarius
9 Capricorn
10 Aquarius
11 Pisces

The formula for the Part of Truth is Asc + Moon - Mercury

Write out the longitudes:

Asc 28° Sco 40'
Moon 27° Cap 52'
Mercury 26° Leo 51'

Convert them to Signs/Degrees/Minutes (using the number of the Sign from above):

Asc 28° Sco 40' equals 7S 28d 40m
Moon 27° Cap 52' equals 9S 27d 52m
Mercury 26° Leo 51' equals 4S 26d 51m

Add the Asc and Moon together:

Asc 7S 28d 40m
Moon 9S 27d 52m

= 16S 55d 92m

Convert minutes to degrees:

= 16S 56d 32m

Convert degrees to signs:

= 17S 26d 32m

Convert signs by subtracting 12:

= Interim Longitude 5S 26d 32m

Now subtract Mercury:

Int Long 5S 26d 32m
Mercury 4S 26d 51m

Convert degrees to minutes

Int Long 5S 25d 92m
Mercury 4S 26d 51m

Convert signs to degrees:

Int Long 4S 55d 92m
Mercury 4S 26d 51m

Subtract:

Int Long 4S 55d 92m
Mercury 4S 26d 51m

Part of Truth = 0S 29d 41m

Convert to longitude:

0 Signs = Aries

Part of Truth = 29° Aries 41'

By your method:

389.69°

Subtract 360°
389.69
360.00

= 29.69°

Multiply the decimal amount by 60

60 * 0.69 = 41.4

Add to whole degrees:

29° 41.4'

Convert to longitude:

Part of Truth = 29° Aries 41' 24"

[Neptune Rising]

Culpeper, thanks very much for replying, thats an interesting analysis. It looks like its a 'no'. A different way of looking at it, being an absolute prediction, that makes sense though. A question came to mind when you said, as long as I remain in England I won't be harmed... I wonder, if someone asked the question from another location, and country, if the answer would be the same.

NR

[Neptune Rising]

Thank you so much for the detailed explaination of the maths Bob!

I used to be good at things like that, just wrapping my head around the maths again is a challenge! But, I think I get it...

Its tempting to use one of the online calculators, but so rewarding to learn how to calculate these parts by hand. I'm going to do a few more to test this out.

It also looks like the part of truth is not conjuncting anything, so another 'no' to the question of Cayce's predictions about the great flood.

I appreciate everyone's time, thanks :smile:

NR

[Svencanz]

Neptune,

I know nothing about horary, but a little about prediction.

Predictions are dynamic animals, and they outline probabilities - not the absolute. Especially psychic type predictions.

So, statements about likelihoods as they were during Cayce's time might well have changed. That does not make his predictions into "untruths".
I am also aware there has (on the spiritual plane) been some unhappiness about Nostradamus' predictions, as they tended to induce a lot of fear.

Lately, some of the great upheavals that were "scheduled" for the planet have been - well, sidetracked. For instance, I understand the polar flip that was a very high likelihood for a long time is no longer on the cards, so to speak.

This, again as I understand it, is because there has been more progress among us than anticipated. That's not to say there won't be "interesting" times up a head, just that they might be different from what was "seen" 20 or 30 years ago.

Cheers,
Sven

[dr. farr]

In addition to the math's given above by Bobzemco (excellent elaboration), you can also go to "Arbaic Parts Calculator" (google this); on the page which appears, toward the bottom, is the calculator:now, you do NOT have to use the Parts heading at the top of this calculator: it can say anything there, and not affect the calculation: all you have to do is to enter the appropriate sign and degrees for each of the 3 elements in any Lot/Part, and the calculator will give the accurate degree and sign of that Lot/Part; so in this case, using the calculator, all you would have to do is enter Scorpio 28degr40min under 1, then (for the Moon) Capricorn 27 degr52min under 2, then (for Mercury) Leo 26degr51min under 3, then push "calculate part" and out pops the result (in this case 29Aries30) This is a very simple way to calculate any Lot or Part, without having to do the math maniplations-its what I have used for quite a while (ever since I found out that you can input any figures into the calculator, and do not have to use the headings of a limited group of Parts, given on the site)

The Truth or Falsity result of this specific horary question-using the evaluation method "by sign" which I posted earlier as connected with this technique-finds the Part of Truth or Falsity 4 signs from the Sun (thus a "sign trine" with the sign the Sun is in)-this method does NOT judge by degree-based aspects, but, like Vedic astrology, by "sign based aspects". Therefore in this specific chart, considering the Part of Truth or Falsity, indicates that the answer is TRUE (because the Part of Truth or Falsity is sign-trine to the sign of the Sun)!
However, note the very late degree of the Part of Truth and Falsity (29:30) This is within .5 degree of being in the next sign (Taurus), which then would put it in "sign square" to the Sun's sign (Leo), and the answer would then be FALSE; in my opinion, with the Part of Truth or Falsity being right on the border between True (Aries sign trine Sun sign) and False (Taurus sign square Sun sign), after all is said and done, I would have to say that the answer given in this chart is: maybe!!!

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Sven and Dr Farr, only just got round to this thread!

Sven, yes I agree, I have found this to happen in many of my tarot readings that I've had in the past. The short term predictions came true, but longer term ones changed as I changed direction from the situations I was in at the time.

Dr Farr, thank you for the advice. I am very interested in using the Parts more in horary. In this chart, that part does look like its teetering on the edge, unsure.

It suggests, just going from my own ideas here, that maybe humankind can alter the outcomes of these predictions. I wonder how humankind can alter a natural event though, eg. a flood or other natural disaster...? Does human consciousness alter such things? But that seems like a very egotistical viewpoint, we are all a part of the universe but we don't control it.... This is something I'll be pondering on :)

NR

[Svencanz]

Hi Neptune,

"Very egotistical" viewpoint.... that's one way of looking at it; the other is to say we are all co-creators, taking part and being responsible for the world around us. I know this might differ from your Catholic upbringing...

But think of a concrete example: the Boxing Day tsunami, where friends of mine died. All the people who died in the disaster had massive Saturn transits and similar. Did the disaster happen in that place because such an amount of Saturn-type people had amassed there; or did people - by some form of subconsious agreement - travel to that place so their upcoming transits could be "acted upon"?

S

[Neptune Rising]

Hi Neptune,

"Very egotistical" viewpoint.... that's one way of looking at it; the other is to say we are all co-creators, taking part and being responsible for the world around us. I know this might differ from your Catholic upbringing...

But think of a concrete example: the Boxing Day tsunami, where friends of mine died. All the people who died in the disaster had massive Saturn transits and similar. Did the disaster happen in that place because such an amount of Saturn-type people had amassed there; or did people - by some form of subconsious agreement - travel to that place so their upcoming transits could be "acted upon"?

S

Thanks Sven

Sorry to hear of your friends who died in the tsunami.

I am not sure what sway my upbringing has on the question or answer? I certainly do not associate myself with any particular religion, far far from it.

Egotistical came to mind, perhaps as an extension of the eternal debate on cause and effect, which is the subject of another thread altogether.

NR