australian election 2010

[DiDi]

will Julia Guillard win the 2010 australian election for the labour governemnt?


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This time is set for the time it was called.
Ive put the transits in for the date of the election, not sure if its going to mean much.


julia is mars at 22 virgo in her 12th house... showing ashe is not sure how its going to turn out! the ruler of that house is placed in the 10th house of government... showing her dedication.
moon the ruler of the 10th house has passed her ruler and is now in a different sign... 7 libra.. also in the 12 house.. perhaps showing that the outcome for the election is uncertain at this time... (and that would be correct)

Im putting tony in the 7th house as he is the other person here and is ruled by venus placed in his 5th h.. lol not sure what to make of that but the house its in is ruled by the sun at 24 cancer in the 10th house under rule of that house...

would you say that he has more power here to win this? it looks like it to me by this!?

[BobZemco]

julia is mars at 22 virgo in her 12th house

There are two ways to approach this. In the first, Julliard is the incumbent. The job is hers to lose. She is the 4th House significated by Saturn (in feminine house and sign).

The challenger is the 1st House with Mars as significator.

Both planets are weak, but Mars holds dignity in the 4th House Cusp and is the Almuten of the 4th House, which helps the challenger. Mars' next aspect is a sextile to a peregrine Sun in the 10th ruling an intercepted Leo in the 6th House, which is Julliard's 12th House. I think that spells disaster for her, and then the coup de grace is the next aspect of Mars is a conjunction with Saturn.

I was just looking at two charts, which I was getting ready to post for study in the Mundane sub-forum using the 1st/7th Challenger/Defender method and in both of those cases (Grenada/Panama) the planet significating the US conjuncts the planet significating the defender and we all know how that ended.

The other way to view this is Julliard as the defender is the 7th House significated by Venus and the challenger is still Mars.

Here, Venus and Mars are the Almutens of the respective houses, but both Venus and Mars are the Almuten of the 4th House (by Alcabitius).

The last aspect the Moon made was an opposition to Jupiter, so Jupiter ruling the 2nd and 6th goes to the challenger, but Jupiter in the 6th is weak and not much help.

The Moon's next aspect is a sextile to an Out of Sect Mercury. Mercury (oddly) also rules Julliard's 2nd and 6th Houses (the chart's 8th and 12th Houses) and is sitting in her 4th House. Mercury (and the Moon) are also in pitted degrees.

The Moon in this case is the co-significator of the challenger, and the Ascendant is also in a dark degree at 3° Scorpio.

Mars is also conjunct the Fixed Star Denebola (an orb of 29' for a magnitude 2 star) which has the nature of Venus/Saturn. It significates disaster, happiness turning to despair etc.

The Sun is also in a separating sextile from Mars. I'd say his opportunity is lost. He should have called elections immediately or whatever (parliamentary governments confuse me).

Venus is going to move and conjunct Mars. Mars is weak in Libra while Venus is in domicile. I'm going to give it to Julliard, but it'll be close probably.

[DiDi]

hi bob

can you tell me what house and therefore ruler you put julia please and why?

I put her first and the opposing government 7th
can you tell me why I should not use thoses please...

is the government the 10th? and i guess we would have to turn the chart for the 7th ruler person if we wanted to look at the 10th for him.
or is this all not nessessarily please

I followed what you were saying only not why you used the signifyers so i could follow thanks.


The Sun is also in a separating sextile from Mars. I'd say his opportunity is lost. He should have called elections immediately or whatever (parliamentary governments confuse me).



the only person who can call the election is the present government (the pm) she called it because she was not voted in by the public, her governemnt overthrew the (was) current pm kevin rudd

the election will be held during a merc rx.... funny so did the enland election and we know what happened there too... no one won and was in limbo so they both ruled for a while... im not sure how it panned out, if anyone is english here can you update us thanks:whistling:

[fensi88]

If you would like that Julia Guillard win this election then Julia Guillard is represent with 1st house ruler. But if you do not like her to win then she gets 7 house ruler.
Moon are voters and we see Moon is in sign of Ve, so voters like candidate of DSC. Antiscion of Ve is right on DSC, that stronger DSC candidate. Planets' Strengths Ve=9 Ma= -1, we see Ve has advantage.
So, if you like that Julia Guillard win she will not win.

[DiDi]

yep i thought that julia should be asc

thanks fensi88

[BobZemco]

hi bob

can you tell me what house and therefore ruler you put julia please and why?

There are two ways to view any contest, whether it's a war, a battle, legal action in court, a sporting event or an election.

The first way is to view the incumbent or the cup holder or the ruling or current champion (or the custodial parent of the children in a child-custody battle) as having something to give up.

In that case, they are 4th House. The 4th House represents the home, a castle, something fortified where you live and something that you would not give up so easily without a fight.

The other way is to view them as strictly opponents and use the 1st House representing the challenger and the 7th House representing the opposition or the home team, the person/group in conflict etc.

That is the method I used for the World Cup and got 20 out of the first 23 matches correct before changing methods (and got confused how to interpret Ascendants Via Combusta) and then doing just horribly on predictions before switching back and correctly getting the last six matches.

In an horary chart, the Querent is the 1st House and the 7th House the adversary.

You would be the Querent, but you have no adversary. However the Quesited, Julliard is still the 7th House, which makes her opponent the 1st House.

is the government the 10th?

Yes, and the opposition to the government is the 4th House, whether that is a political party, a special interest group or the people.

the only person who can call the election is the present government (the pm) she called it because she was not voted in by the public, her governemnt overthrew the (was) current pm kevin rudd


Okay, so she is looking for legitimacy as well as a mandate from the people.

You could also consider the 10th House and her significator is the Sun (heads-of-state) in a feminine sign (Cancer) in the 10th House, which I think more correctly describes the situation.

The Sun is peregrine, but not afflicted, so it best describes her as wandering and not knowing what to do, perhaps even insecure (Sun in Cancer) which is why she called the elections, to legitimize her rule.

However the Sun then moves into Leo in the 11th House of Goals, Dreams, Ambitions and Allies where it's strengthened. Remember the 11th House is her 2nd House and that is not only money but the resources she has that aids her (like money) but also political and non-political allies such as other minor parties, labor unions, various groups and associations (such as "green groups" and the "old skins who retired and are on pension group").

Venus is going to move into Libra which is her 3rd House and is ruling her 10th House. I see that as her getting favorable attention (10th) from the media (3rd).

That makes her opposition the 4th House and Saturn. Saturn is Exalted in Libra, but only after reaching the 21st Degree. As it stands, it will oppose Jupiter which is not good for Saturn, especially since Saturn is cadent in the the challenger's 9th House (the chart's 12th House).

Even if we took the challenger to be Mars, Mars is in detriment in Libra and in the challenger's 12th House, not good.

No matter how you look at it in this chart, I think Julliard will still be PM.

[DiDi]

thanks so much bob

i learnt alot from what you explained and got a different perspective from using the 4th house.

so now i see why you put julia as the 7th ruler and her opp as the asc...
I feel doing it that way, we get a better picture as to what is going on also as you have described her motives well.

and yes the media does like her.

with the opposition tony abbott, he is a mans man and women are not a fan of his... he is old fashioned and believes women should be tied to the 50,s like his mother once was. Not a thought women would want to go back to let me tell ya! and he also is a believer in work choices which looks after the shop and business owners rights and not the worker...

I think its these issues he will not win, yet the labour gov will loose a few seats.