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08-17-2006, 09:26 PM
Has anyone already have some interesting findings about the declinations on astrology weekly yet?
Till now I haven't found anything in comparison with my parents,niece and ex-girlfriend charts yet,but I only played around a little bit with the tool,no in dephth study yet:) .
These is my declinations tabel:
Equivalent longitudes: 05Ari52 and 24Vir07 Moon
Declination out of bounds!
Equivalent longitudes: 25Tau00 and 04Leo59 Mercury
Equivalent longitudes: 11Lib50 and 18Pis09 Venus
Equivalent longitudes: 17Tau42 and 12Leo17 Mars
Equivalent longitudes: 06Sag40 and 23Cap19 Jupiter
Equivalent longitudes: 03Ari07 and 26Vir52 Saturn
Equivalent longitudes: 20Ari01 and 09Vir58 Uranus
Equivalent longitudes: 00Lib00 and 03Ari46 Neptune
Equivalent longitudes: 21Sco28 and 08Aqu31 Pluto
Equivalent longitudes: 18Tau05 and 11Leo54
08-17-2006, 11:01 PM
Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets - Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets (http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm) by Pamela Welch:
Everyone has probably heard that old familiar sports term: "Out-of-bounds!" Regardless of the sport involved, these words mean that the ball or player has gone beyond the limits of the established field of play. Could a similar dynamic be impacting the planetary play on the field of your birth chart? You bet! Out-of-bounds planets can take us beyond the established limits of thought and action. They can signify extraordinary genius or point to volatile and aberrant behavior.
This article will explain the principles involved in out-of-bounds dynamics, show how these planetary elements can operate in a person's life and discuss ways to interpret how these natal energies will manifest.
How Planets Go Out of Bounds
Out-of-bounds planets involve two dynamics: declination and the ecliptic. The ecliptic is the apparent path of the Sun in its yearly motion across the sky. Of course, in reality we know that it is not the Sun that is moving, but rather the Earth that is orbiting around the Sun. Thus, the ecliptic is actually the plane of the Earth's orbit. Usually when we speak of astrological coordinates - for example, "My natal Saturn is at 14° Virgo" - we are giving the planet's position in geocentric celestial longitude. This measurement, which is part of the ecliptic coordinate system, expresses the planet's distance along the ecliptic from 0° Aries as viewed from Earth. However, in addition to this system which uses the ecliptic as its reference point, we also have what's called the equatorial coordinate system which uses the Earth's equator rather than the ecliptic as its plane of reference. Declination, which measures the angular distance of a heavenly body north or south of the celestial equator, is part of this equatorial system.
An easy way to comprehend declination is to simply imagine the parallels of latitude on a terrestrial map extended out into celestial space. The latitude lines that are projected in this way beyond our planet's surface are called parallels of declination in the equatorial coordinate system. If you think of the Earth's equator extending out into space to create the celestial equator at 0°, the parallels of declination involve those coordinates north or south of this plane. (1)
Due to the tilt of the Earth on its axis, the Sun's path varies in declination between about 23°27' north of the equator at the Tropic of Cancer (summer solstice in the northern hemisphere) and 23°27'south at the Tropic of Capricorn (winter solstice). (See the Diagram at the end of this article.) When a celestial body goes beyond this maximum declination of 23°27', either north or south, it is considered out-of-bounds. In that position, the planet is outside the boundary limits of the ecliptic plane - that is, beyond the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The exact maximum declination of the Sun, which varies slightly by seconds from year to year, is now actually a little less than 23°27'. (2) However, even at 23°27'01", a planet is just beginning to go out-of-bounds without much noticeable effect. Because of this and the fact that many ephemerides and computer programs only give declination in degrees and minutes, I find it easier and more measurably significant to simply use planetary positions of at least 23°28' declination.
Because the Moon and inner planets achieve higher declinations, they are the ones more frequently considered in working with the out-of-bounds phenomenon. (The asteroids can also go out-of-bounds; however, they won't be specifically mentioned in this article.) Uranus and Pluto go out-of-bounds less frequently and stay there for longer periods. (3) Saturn and Neptune have practically the same declination as the Sun while Jupiter only goes a few minutes beyond 23°27'. The Moon, on the other hand, can reach a declination of almost 29° every 18.6 years when the North Node is near 0° Aries. Mercury achieves a declination of 27°. Mars can usually only reach 27° too. However, in 1907 Mars got out to 28S54. On rare occasions, Venus will also reach 28°. (4)
I've found that generally the higher the degree of declination, the more pronounced the effect of the out-of-bounds planet will be, whether this is expressed in terms of greater accomplishment for the native or in some type of abnormal behavior.
08-17-2006, 11:07 PM
Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets - The influence of Out-of-Bounds Planets (part 2) (http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela1.htm):
Bron: Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets by Pamela Welch, first published in the June/July 2001 issue of The Mountain Astrologer, published here with her permission.
Let's take a more specific look now at exactly how an out-of-bounds planet will operate in an individual's life. In most cases, my discussion will include both a planet's declination and its sign placement in the more familiar geocentric longitude to help you integrate out-of-bounds dynamics into your astrological chart analysis.
As you might guess, people with an out-of-bounds planet tend to know no boundaries and accept no limits. Often there's no stopping them. This can result in boundless creativity and success, allowing the native to go way beyond the potential that one might normally expect. For example, Albert Einstein who has an out-of-bounds Moon in Sagittarius near the 6th house cusp, creatively provided a whole new paradigm in regards to time and space through his work on the theory of relativity. His philosophical beliefs weren't constrained by his era's prevailing system of thought. Natives with an out-of-bounds planet like to break the rules in this way and color outside the lines. A client of mine with an out-of-bounds Moon in Sagittarius in the 1st house is currently in the process of writing an epic narrative poem akin to Beowulf. When was the last time anyone attempted that? This is the kind of unconventional and "outside the norm" expression you often see in someone with an out-of-bounds planet. Such individuals can often achieve extraordinary things and overcome great obstacles in life.
However, an out-of-bounds planet can also be negatively expressed, leading to abnormal or unstable behavior which is outside the accepted standards of society. Its energy can indicate a tendency toward mental imbalance or at the very least create a lot of pressure and stress in an individual's life. The highest declination Moon I've ever seen in my astrology practice (28°S18') was in the chart of a man suffering from bipolar disorder (manic-depression). (5) There is a fine line between genius and insanity and sometimes you will see both positive and dysfunctional elements in the lives of those with out-of-bounds planets. Judy Garland, for example, had two out-of-bounds planets - Venus in Cancer in the 1st house and Mars in Sagittarius in the 6th. Garland was certainly a sensitive beauty. However, she was also overworked as a child star and encouraged to take amphetamines. Venus is quincunx Mars in her chart and it may have been difficult for her to reconcile her emotional insecurities and desire for a loving, peaceful environment (Venus in Cancer) with the demands for her to be an energetic and exuberant working star (Mars in Sagittarius). Although she had tremendous success as an actress and singer from a young age, she also suffered from health problems and depressive mental illness accompanied by an addiction to prescription medications. This resulted in several suicide attempts and finally death. Although Venus is only at 23°N 49'declination, Mars is at 25°S 55', creating greater instability. Mars opposite her Sun in Gemini in the 12th house is an indicator of subconscious anger directed inward in aggression towards herself. Such suppression of deeper feelings may have led to Garland's depression as well as the ultimate act of brutality toward the self - suicide. (6)
Often, people with out-of-bounds planets seem to get away with more somehow, or try to. They can be those individual's that are always pushing the limits of what we commonly accept in society. With an out-of-bounds Mercury in Gemini, Dr. Jack Kevorkian, the physician who believes in euthanasia for the terminally ill, is certainly one of these people. He has had repeated conflict with the law for his belief in assisted suicide. Mercury is related to the physician and healing. However, mythically the Roman god Mercury could also put people asleep with his magic wand or be a messenger of death. Kevorkian has certainly taken on this aspect of Mercury's expression. With Mercury at 25°N39' declination, we would expect to see this type of more radical behavior in support of his extremely adamant opinions.
American talk-show host, Howard Stern, also with an out-of-bounds Mercury (23°S41), is another iconoclast pushing the envelope of societies accepted norms. He loves to shock his radio audience with sexually oriented and socially unacceptable topics such as flatulence and penis size. Stern's natal Mercury in Capricorn is conjunct Venus, Sun, Chiron and North Node, all in that same sign. He's certainly achieved fame and star status with his irreverent radio show, biographical book, "Private Parts," and subsequent movie by the same name. His Capricorn coldness is evident as he talks about people as little more than objects for appraisal. Stern's out-of-bounds Mercury is in opposition to Uranus and South Node in Cancer and this definitely fits his shock jock demeanor which loves to upset the "status quo." However, Cancer can be a vulnerable sign and his movie, "Private Parts" illustrated his early anxiety and self-doubt. To this day, when Stern is out of the sound booth and no longer on air, he's said to be full of insecurities. (7) His outrageous and domineering style may be a front for deeper vulnerabilities.
Daredevil Evel Knievel has an out-of-bounds Venus in Sagittarius within two degrees of his Midheaven at the high declination of 26°S17. His somewhat bizarre stunts go way beyond even the extreme end of adventure sports. Adventure is certainly his indulgence as well as his career and the way he has attracted money along with admiring women. No doubt, there is a kind of grace he exhibits as his motorcycle flies like an arrow over a row of cars or a tank full of sharks. Out-of-bounds Venus is also quintile Neptune which is conjunct Mars in Virgo. The quintile (72°) indicates spontaneous creative expression and mental or artistic talents. You could say that Knievel has a creative talent for dissolving the boundaries of what is normally considered possible for the physical body. The mental energy of quintiles also excels at the kind of exact engineering calculations which are probably required as part of the preparations for his stunts.
However, Venus in Sagittarius can lead to a vain belief that you can do anything and a Mars-Neptune conjunction can also characterize a weakening of one's physical condition. Consequently, with Venus trine Pluto (destruction, death) in Leo in the 6th-house of health, in addition to Saturn square 6th-house Chiron, Evel has had numerous injuries, broken bones, and subsequent operations during his career. With out-of-bounds Venus in the sign that rules the Liver, in addition to a 1st-house Jupiter in Aquarius, it is not surprising that during one of these operations, he contracted Hepatitis C from a blood transfusion. This resulted in a liver transplant operation for him in 1999. Venus is also in a quindecile aspect to 3rd-house Uranus in Taurus. The quindecile aspect (165°) represents a disruption or compulsion, an obsessive influence which can draw one away from the main thrust of life development. Knievel's stubborn obsession with adventure and his vain compulsion to do anything to shock his admiring fans has resulted in many damaging jolts to his body.
Knievel also has a reputation for being an out of control hell-raiser, an excessive behavior associated with his out-of-bounds Venus in Sagittarius. It helps that in addition to the quindecile to Uranus and trine with Pluto, Venus is also sextile his Aquarius Ascendant which opposes Pluto. He has a history of aggression and was once arrested on charges of beating (Pluto) his girlfriend (Venus). (8)
An out-of-bounds Mars is found in the natal chart of diplomat Henry Kissinger. Considering the assertive nature of Mars, this might seem strange for someone who was recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973. In actuality, Kissinger is an interesting mix. With a 1st-house OOB Mars in Gemini, he courageously negotiated diplomatic dialogues with heads of state in order to end aggressive conflicts such as the Vietnam War. This is supported by a trine of Kissinger's Mars to his Moon in Libra, which can potentially keep its bellicose nature more peacefully directed, and his 12th-house Sun-Mercury conjunction in Gemini (secret talks in closed sessions) trine Saturn in Libra. With Saturn conjunct his Libra Moon, he was able to make his lack of emotion work for him by asserting himself with peaceful words. At 28 degrees Gemini in the third decan of this sign, Mars can also be less impulsive, more ruled by reason and the power of the objective mind (9). Kissinger was thus able to summon great courage and overcome difficult obstacles in dealing with many tense political situations.
However, we now know that Kissinger also covertly initiated atrocities and violent acts in Vietnam. In addition, he brought the downfall of the democratic Allende government in Chile in the '70's to support the Chilean leader, General Augusto Pinochet, who tortured his people. (See the The Trial of Henry Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens.) In this respect, Kissinger's lack of emotion may have created an "end justifies the means" mentality.
Nevertheless, out-of-bounds Mars is found more frequently in the charts of courageous or creative individuals and great leaders than it is in violent criminals. It can also indicate an "off the charts" type of athletic ability as it does with golfer Tiger Woods, who has Mars in Gemini opposite the Moon in Sagittarius square a Virgo Ascendant.
08-17-2006, 11:47 PM
Well yes Beth,my Moon in Cancer is out of bounds.I don't know how I should see this,maybe highly emotional in its own domicile Cancer?
I don't know.
All kind of new to me.
08-17-2006, 11:56 PM
I believe the third part of this series discussed out-of-bound moons, but I admit I've been having a bit of difficulty processing it all :o
There is this website www.mandala.be hosting a lot of articles on declinations and oob planets, also interviews with Kt Boehrer - well worth reading. Beyond that I couldn't give you any other hints about your OOB Moon. I understand that "The Other Dimension" is very detailed on these things. Try to get that book.
08-18-2006, 02:56 PM
Yes,looks very interesting,this website.
I have red the third article of OOB as Beth suggested,with examples of Moon in Sagittarius.
Apparently the natal aspects,house and sign the Moon is in is important.
Will read more on this website and thanks for pointing me to this book,first will see if it is in the library.
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