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After Should I have this operation? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2555), Where are the missing girls? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16148) and Will I keep my job? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2539), here's the fourth horary chart for practice, from a different field - relationships.
Just to remember everyone that they are free to start new threads in the horary section, presenting different horary charts with a known outcome in order to improve everyone's horary skills.
Start the title with "Horary Test:". Add the necessary background info, chart data, and after several comments were made, reveal the correct answer.
Background: the querent was married before, got divorced, no other info available.
Question: Will I ever get married again?
Chart Data: Feb. 2 1977, 3:56 PM PST +8, Sacramento, California
Asc. 26 Cancer, Moon 29 Cancer
08-17-2006, 12:23 AM
I doubt it
saturn is in 1st house.. against the judgement
moon is in critical degree moving into leo ..
moon will conjunct saturn after bunch of aspects to other planets other than saturn.
So i say no!
08-17-2006, 06:31 PM
Well gosh the MOON looks VOC to me at 29. I would say nothing will come of it right now. Which doesn't mean forever....Besides that Cap/Saturn is ruling the 7th isn't it? I would assume delay
08-17-2006, 07:09 PM
I'm using Lilly's rules to delineate this chart, and yes, it is a tricky one. Post the delineation in a while
Yes, tricky, of course :) you don't want easy tests, do you? :)
Some considerations related to what has been said so far:
- Saturn is ruler of the 7th house, the quesited house - in this case, so this isn't a "contraindication"
- besides, Saturn in the 1st (the querent is an astrologer) is not a contraindication AGAINST judgement, just merely an obstruction - I don't believe the Universe could tell an astrologer: "hey don't judge this chart, it's a fake!"... I would rather think that it actually tells - "due to this and that, the judgment of this question is tricky, if you don't understand this, your interpretation will be wrong"
- the Moon is not totally void of course in Cancer - as William Lilly says: "the Moon in Cancer, Taurus, Sagittarius and Pisces performs somehow"
08-17-2006, 08:00 PM
William Lilly’s rules to judge if a woman shall mary more than once are the following:
“Behold from the degree of the 10th house to the degree of Mars, and so many Planets as you shall find between them, so many Husbands shall she have; but if Mars be in the 11th house, then look from Mars to Jupiter, and judge accordingly: some judge from Mars to the Lord of the 10th; these rules are Arabicall: plurality of Husbands is best adjudged from the Lord of the 7th and Sun, Mars being in common Signes, or many Planets in the 7th, or Sun in Sextile or Trine to many Planets in the 7th, argues plurality, or more than one.”
From 11ARI29 to 24CAP29 there are two planets: the Sun, natural significator of men, and Venus, a feminine planet.
From Mars to the lord of the tenth house, Venus, there is only one planet, the Sun.
The lord of the seventh, Saturn, is in a fixed sign, Mars is in a cardinal sign and he Sun in a fixed sign.
There are two planets in the seventh house: the Sun and Mars.
The VOC Moon indicates that when she asked the question she was not married. When the Moon enters leo, she is disposed by the Sun, and in the terms of Saturn. Saturn is retrograde, in a very bad condition, in the first house. The former husband thinks about her, but has not got the power to accomplish much. Saturn is in mutual reception with the Sun in the seventh. Also, the Moon separes an opposition to Mars.
Perhaps she was considering getting married to another man, but in the end went back together with her ex husband. The Moon’s next aspect to a traditional planet is a conjunction to Saturn,
Hoping I got this right,
The correct answer is that the querent married again. This was Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson asking and she remarried on May 8, 1982. The question was taken from an astrology course.
Knowing the right answer my approach would be:
John Frawley teaches use for such situations Venus as the woman's significator and the Sun as man's significator. In this case there is an applying semisquare between Venus and the Sun with some decent reception. But maybe this is too modernist for horary.
So, I think that the traditional interpretation would be: Saturn, ruler of the 7th house of marriage, is retrograding in the 1st house. 7th house ruler in the 1st house is a good indication of marriage. The retrograde movement indicate a condition that has occurred before and now is going to happen again.
Saturn in detriment and peregrine but in mutual reception with the Sun, "secondary" ruler of the 1st house, somehow compensating for its weak condition.
Part of Marriage (ASC + 7th cusp - Venus) is at 21Tau51. Jupiter the greater benefic at 21Tau41 is partile conjunct it (applying).
Mars, ruler of the 4th house from the 7th (end of matter) is entering the 7th house - the outcome hoped for is about to become reality.
08-18-2006, 07:36 AM
Saturn, ruler of the 7th house of marriage, is retrograding in the 1st house. 7th house ruler in the 1st house is a good indication of marriage. The retrograde movement indicate a condition that has occurred before and now is going to happen again.
Saturn in detriment and peregrine but in mutual reception with the Sun, "secondary" ruler of the 1st house.......
Grrrrrrr! This is where I was wrong. The Sun SECONDARY ruler of the first!!!!!!! Another man! And I thought she would go back with her ex!!!!!
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