Mars crossing eclipse point

[freedomlover]

I've been studying about eclipses for several years. They seem to be a "major happening" in the course of things. However, I've heard the term bandied about concerning Mars crossing the eclipse point, and somehow this is instrumental in "triggering" the energy of the eclipse. Can anyone expound on this subject?
I think I read (but can no longer find, if I did) that Mars was crossing the 3-14-06 eclipse point sometime in August.

[lilllybelle]

That's an interesting idea Freedom Lover. Some astrologers say that the energy of an eclipse can linger for up to years. I've always been skeptical of giving that long of a time frame to the effects of the eclipses. I've always thought the effects of the eclipses only lasted untill the next set of eclipses at the most. Now that you've pointed out this mars transit though, I think we have a good opportunity to test whether the eclipses can be activated months layter. Mars should be passing over 24 degrees virgo between the 29th and the 31st of this month. I'm personally going to observe these days to see if I have any feelings or if something happens that harks back to the days of late March for me. I'll trade notes with you at that time, to see if I noticed anything. Lilllybelle

[Radu]

Hi
Eclipses are boosts of energy, periodical events, whose effect fades away in time, but I don't see any reason why an eclipse influence should stop at the next one. It stops when the boost of energy ends.

The entire astrological configuration at the time of an eclipse can enhance much further (if very energetic and very well connected with the Sun-Moon conjunction) this energy or not at all.
It's like the LASER - a coherent beam of photons of the same wavelenght or like a LENS. The eclipse energy may be dispersed or focused by the chart. And when it is focused, then we'll have a extremely important eclipse with a huge influence.

There is also another element: we know that eclipses are exact conjunctions by longitude between the Sun and the Moon. But there is not always a so tight conjunction by declination. I mean, the in order for the eclipse to take place, it has to be an orb by declination lower than 34'' (the apparent diameter of the Sun or the Moon), otherwise the two will not superpose.
I suppose that the tighter the orb by declination, the stronger the eclipse.

There is another element: this energy might be strong, but unless there is a target for this energy, it cannot have an important effect. That is, there're charts (people, countries, other entities) that are sensitive to these influences, others that are not.

I remember two eclipses as very focused, whose energy had a longer influence.

Feb 5, 1962 - Total Solar Eclipse at 15Aqu42 - featuring a stellium of all 7 traditional planets in Aquarius, with their dispositor Uranus on Regulus - here we have "a laser beam".
Aug 11, 1999 - Total Solar Eclipse at 18Leo21 - featuring a T cross in the middle of fixed signs with Saturn in Taurus, Mars in Scorpio and Uranus in Aquarius, a most disruptive influence - here we have more like "a lens".

[unukalhai]

From what I've read, an eclipse can stay active for as many years as it's shadow period is in hours. this seems to be the most common formula, and supposibly applies to both solar and lunar eclipses.

Mars transits are most important to eclipse degrees as mars is action oriented.. it provokes things to happen. planetary stimulation to eclipses can be very powerful, and should not be overlooked. the degrees of still-active eclipses are like landmines, as well as trigger points. the planet transiting the eclipse is "powered up" by the eclipse, and the eclipse is "powered up" by the planet. the conditions of the both the transiting planet as well as the eclipse must be factored.

Celeste Teal wrote a neat book on eclipses, "Eclipses: Predicting World Events & Personal Transformations" from the Llewellyn presse, ISBN 0-7387-0771-6. It includes analysis of a number of eclipses, tables of eclipse power rankings, eclipse overviews for the next 5 or so years, national charts of a number of countries and thier relation to eclipses, a chapter on planetary stimulation, and many other interesting facets of eclipses... certainly one of the better books on the subject, if you ask me. worth reading, especially if you run into it at a bookstore and can flip through it for free! although its totally worth the mere $12 investment.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738707716/sr=8-2/qid=1155975586/ref=sr_1_2/103-4280755-4090238?ie=UTF8

mars conjuncts the lunar eclipse of mar/14 on aug/30 @ 5:30am GMT.

aug/10, retrograde pluto t-squared the eclipse. this coincided with grand finale of the israeli/lebanon conflict, which ended with a ceasefire ~4 days later.

one month after mars conjuncts the eclipse, on sep/30, direct pluto will t-square the eclipse again. this is within the timeframe of the jupiter/saturn/neptune t-square. should be interesting.

[Catatonia]

Should be very interesting. I am almost scared. ;)

[freedomlover]

To answer Lilllybelle's question on another thread about mars crossing the eclipse point: From what I read, it is kind of like a "doorway of action", and it depends on how the eclipse affected your individiual chart. Some get the energy of the eclipse at the time of the eclipse, or very near to it. If you're one of those who did not, it is likely that you will get the energy at or sometime soonafter the time Mars crosses the eclipse point. In some charts, you may feel it at that time, and get another hit when Mars crosses the eclipse point. Personally, I did not get much at the time of the 3-14-06, eclipse, but I am sure feeling it now! (I think Mars crossed this eclipse point within the last 2 to 3 days.)

[lilllybelle]

That makes sense, because I felt the eclipse strongly back in March even though it didn't aspect anything in my chart. With mars passing over the eclptic point this time I didn't notice much. L

[Culpeper]

Eclipses can have very dramatic effects. Unusual weather, earthquakes, and mundane events occur when a planet crosses the eclipse degree. The effects of total eclipses in fixed signs will continue for many years. I keep a list of eclipses going back many years and observe events when planets transit those degrees.

The solar eclipse of 11 August 1999 at 18 Leo continues to cause trouble and has been active in many disasters and wars. Today Saturn is conjunct 18 Leo; Neptune is in opposition. Also Mercury is conjunct the lunar eclipse of 14March 2006 at 24 Virgo. Saturn rules over accidents, disease, and death while Mercury rules winds.

Checking the internet news, I see that hurricane John is troubling Mexico, and Australian ecologist Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray. Everyone be careful for the next few days.

Culpeper

[unukalhai]

Culpeper,

Thank you for mentioning the 8/11/99 eclipse @ 18Leo21, I was not aware the Saturn/Neptune opposition was activating the eclipse! Wow, that is nothing to sneeze at...

Regarding Irwin, the Saturn/Neptune opposition occured across his nodal axis, with mutual Venus/Uranus transits (T.venus conjunct N.uranus & T.uranus conjunct N.venus), and T.jupiter conjunct N.neptune. T.chiron also conjuncts N.saturn, and T.sun conjuncts N.pluto. N.mars, by solar arc, had also directed to 0 degrees aries (0ari01.16 to be exact). Definitly an unfortunate time for his cosmogram, with multiple factors of danger involved!

He was born Feb/22/1962, Time Unknown, in Essendon, Victoria, Australia for those interested.

[freedomlover]

Thanks for the information, Culpeper! I had a dream in which I was given a key to turning my life around back in 1999 - I believe it was pretty much August 11 to the day. (However, I was not studying astrology back then, and had no idea there was an eclipse at that time.). It's been 7 years and a couple weeks. Today, I was finally able to integrate the information in the dream. - And then to find out that Saturn/Neptune was triggering the eclipse point from Aug 11-99! Talk about fated events! I guess it just had to take me this long to "get it".

Also, I had just received a newsletter in my e-mail yesterday that was very informative concerning planets other than Mars crossing the eclipse point. I've reposting an excerpt from this for y'all's information:

"We should bear in mind that even though an eclipse occurs at a certain date, it has the ‘wait’ for a transiting planet to trigger it (i.e. transit across the eclipse point or its opposing point) before the effects of it become activated. So, for the eclipse of the 8th of this month, we will have to wait for the trigger to come in March of next year when Uranus transits over that point. Otherwise, we read the figure as a normal full moon figure. There are two eclipses to be activated this month by Jupiter and one that has just been activated by the retrograde transit of Uranus on the 30th of August. We will look at that eclipse first.

The eclipse just activated by Uranus has yet to occur, but it is still an activation and thus valid, nonetheless. It will occur on the 7th of March next year, so it is well within its ‘effect range’, if we can call it that. It is a lunar, South Node eclipse at the 13th degree of Virgo. For those who are interested, it is opposite (within 3 degrees) the one just about to take place. Look for falls from grace to come from this. That figure has Uranus conjunct the Sun and square to Jupiter. Since it is a South Node eclipse, it indicates endings or situations coming to a conclusion. The symbol for the degree is revealing and reads:

“A powerful statesman overcomes a state political hysteria.” 13 Virgo

Since this has been triggered by a retrograde Uranus transit, it indicates the opposite, however. It is activated again in December of this year and is finally ‘finished off’ by Saturn in September 2008. Planets falling within 3 degrees of this eclipse will be powerfully affected.

The next eclipse to be triggered is by Jupiter and occurred on 4 May 2004 at the 15th degree of Scorpio. For those who follow eclipses, the 15th degree of fixed signs are known as powerful trigger points in world events, for good or ill. This one is also a South Node lunar eclipse. It is of particular interest for that very reason, especially since Jupiter is under stress from Saturn and Uranus at the moment. This eclipse had the Sun square to Neptune and was indicative of scandals, mysterious crimes and breach of promises. It is conjunct the fixed star El Genubi, which is not very pleasant in its own right. It brings turbulence, obstructions, unforgiving character, deceit and disgrace. I had stated earlier that there would be ‘stings in the tail’, around this full moon, and now we are beginning to see why, even though the eclipse being described here has nothing whatsoever to do with the current full moon. Still, it is ‘in the flow’ of things, so-to-speak, and it bears mention because this full moon will bring a lot of clarity and insight as a result of all these other factors. This eclipse is activated again by Mars in mid-November of this year. It is another eclipse that will bring falls from grace. It should be noted, too, that it opposes the fixed stars Menkar (losses, disgraceful actions, deceitful associates, calamities and anxiety) and Almach (good fortune, success, honors, unexpected gains and good domestic affairs). It depends upon the general trend of one’s nativity as to which of these stars is more activated. The symbol for the degree of the eclipse reads:

“Children playing around five mounds of sand.” 15 Scorpio

The symbol is about future-oriented growth and about the power of play and imagination in one’s life. The reference of five refers to the development of the lower mind and implies that there is still a lot of work to be done. This eclipse will stimulate that growth—or it may stop one in their tracks and make them take a good look at things. Either way what is represented in the symbol and in the eclipse figure is very dynamic in terms of personal growth.

The next eclipse to be activated occurred on the 8th of November 2003 at the 17th degree of Taurus. The activation takes place on the 18th of this month, close to the new moon, which is a solar South Node eclipse. This activation is out of range of Menkar and Almach, but there would probably still be some sub-influence from those stars. The eclipse was a lunar, North Node eclipse, which generally brings benefits. We will have to wait and see what it actually brings. The symbol for the degree of the eclipse reads:

“A symbolical battle between ‘swords’ and ‘torches.” 17 Taurus

This symbol speaks of a polarization of values. It represents the battle between the Soul and the ego-will. The activation of the 8 November eclipse will highlight this struggle, particularly for people who have planets or angles within 3 degrees of the eclipse point. It is said in spiritual practice that there is nothing like a good crisis to bring out one’s Soul and to thus enable one to grow spiritually. The two eclipses just described will be brilliant in that regard. Since this last one is a North Node eclipse, it is about expansion, but it will bring expansion more within the realm of consciousness than in world events."

(This is an excerpt from a wonderful Australian astrologer, Malvin Artley. His e-mail is rosella2@chariot.net.au, if anyone is interested in getting on his newsletter mailing list. He writes a lovely, very informative newsletter.)

[lilllybelle]

At some point in history wouldn't there of been an eclipse on just about every degree possible. When does it become irrelevant? Do we look back at eclipses that happened in 1752? How far back do we look? Do we only look at the eclipses that have taken place in our lifetime? L

[freedomlover]

I'm assuming that once the "trigger planets" cross the point, the energy is released, or maybe channeled in certain ways. Notice the article only mentioned the eclipses that are still waiting for "trigger planets" to cross their eclipse point. I'm sure some of the other planets have crossed the 8-11-99 eclipse by now. However, this trigger was the Saturn/Neptune conjunction., which doesn't happen very often. I would think that if a relatively rare major planetary conjunction affects even a relatively old eclipse point, there would be some kind of activation. I guess each planet just takes its own little piece of the eclipse and does what it wants with it. (poor little eclipse) I don't know - I am only speculating. I'm sure there are people on this site who are much more well-informed on the subject.

[pisceskitty]

can an Eclipse bring about illness? My son has His S.node @3deg Pisces in his 5th house[i have venus/merc./sun in pisces in my 5th] He also has Pisces@15deg. ruling his 6th house cusp. He has jupiter/Pallas athene in Pisces in the 6th also. I'm trying not to have a nervous breakdown:(

[lilllybelle]

Pisces Kitty, Don't worry about it. Life is unpredictable even with astrology. The 6th house also represets work, service and service to a guru. It rerpresents so many things that it is hard to predict what will happen, so it is best to not worry about it. Your son could even become more health conscious with the eclipse. I youst to freak out every time I saw a transit coming. With time I saw that the transits I worried about turned out o.k., and the ones I didn't pay any attention turned out to be chaotic. I finally realised that the way I was approaching astrology was causing me fear and it wasn't really helping me. I treat transits with curiosity now. Seriously sometimes it's good to question the way we approach astrology.
Freedom Lover, that was a well thought out logical response that answered my questions. Thank you, L.

[lilllybelle]

Pisces Kitty, oddly enough the realisation that I was approaching astrology in a negative fearful way came to me under a eclipse. At that time I decided to not study astrology for a month to regroup on the way I felt about and approached astrology. L

[lilllybelle]

Pisces Kitty, I'm writing you once again. I realise it is easy to offend people on this site, so I want to clarify myself so that doesn't happen. I don't want you to think that I'm taking a holier than thou attitude or acting like I know something that you don't. When people give advice they can often unitentionally come off as smug and superior acting, and I don't want to come across that way. I just wanted to let you know that I personally got sick of the fear that my approach to astrology was causing. Notice that I don't blame astrology, it was the way that I was approaching astrology that wasn't positive. I youst to almost feel more negative after looking at my ephemeris for a while. I would look at my little ephemeris and start worrying. It almost seemed like I was unconsciously using astrology as a catlyst to bring my fears and worrys to the surface. I started thinking that astrology was negative. It was all the thinking that was negative, the predicting and the fortune telling. The "oh my god, we don't have good mars/venus ties, this relationship is doomed' was killing me. I've heard it from other people, that they quit studying astrology for these reasons. They said astrology made them worry too much. I know this pops up for a lot of people. This is one way that astrology can help us grow. If we can reconise fear in our study of astrology, then maybe we can call it out in our lives too. This may offend some people, but half the questions raised on this site are based in fear. Fear has to be the biggest hurdle in the study of astrology. I still have fear in me towards my life, but sometimes I soar and call fear for what it is. Sometimes I realise just how thick of a barrier I have to protect myself from pain. My ego belives that fear will protect me. I can only imagine what my reality would be like without fear. I hope to grow with this upcoming eclipse. I want to open my heart as wide as I can and let all the love in and tell fear to get the hell out of my life.
Well now, you just asked a simple question about your son's health and look at where we ended up. L

[pisceskitty]

Wow Lilly! amazing post! I feel alot better now. With transiting Pluto Squaring my Mercury in Pisces in the 5th, I have been having really worried thoughts, and bad dreams etc..My ex husband called to tell me that his new baby died. I believe that's what triggered my fear. I lost my beloved granny on September 9th of last year, and my mother was really sick at one point, so i've been worrying about loved ones alot more than usual. Sorry if I came across like a drama queen:p

[lilllybelle]

You didn't come across as a drama queen at all. I'm the one who needs to stay off of my soap box. L