difficult old age?????

[asteroid]

As 4th house shows the early family life and the old age does :neptune: placed here inticates unhappy old age? Could that be better related with artistic activities of the family members?

Besides knowing that 4th is also the house of the soul and the Subconscious would :neptune: in :sagittariusimg: just reveals expanded Psychic abilities?
http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5521/5521011973d25152bae52b9409971951595d678.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=5521011&showlnk=0)

[astrologer50]

Neptune in 4th is all about sacrifices and dissolving relations with family members. could be a beachbum:w00t: only joking. Home is where you park your hat. Your neptune is well aspected though and rules 7th suggesting you want marriage partners to be fully involved in family matters..

4th House – angular house
Strong unconscious emotional ties with home and family. Confused family relationships and sometimes chaotic domestic environment. Often feel sorry for strangers, animals and offer ­accommodation. Beachcombers. Sacrifices in the home (parents) Mystery concerning early life. Deception. Over‑idealise mothers perhaps disillusionment. Possibly put mother on a pedestal ‑ missing parent! doubts about roots! ‑ Abandoned, adopted, or even left in a plastic bag. Very much eggshell area and therefore sensitive. Neptune the ‘great dissolver’ can literally dissolve connections to family

Well if you believe some recent members they would have you drowning at sea, cos I've got taurus earth -- then I'm going to pass away with earthquake or mudslide :biggrin: :whistling: then again my IC is gemini so maybe I'll come down in an aeroplane whilst flying :crying:

[asteroid]

Thank you for repling!! That posιtion always makes me worried about my future cause my childwood had been clouded by a parent apsence, serious helth problems of family members and a permanent feeling of insecurity. Thus i couldn't experience something similar in my old age :sad:

[astrologer50]

have you researched your unaspected sun and Jupiter?
unspected planets
http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm (http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm)
http://classiclegendbooks.com/martinschulman-astrology-articles-17-unaspected-planets-1.html (http://classiclegendbooks.com/martinschulman-astrology-articles-17-unaspected-planets-1.html)
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm (http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm)
http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm (http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm)
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/unaspected/unaspected.htm (http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/unaspected/unaspected.htm)

Uranus should be interpreted as if in 4th as it's conj house cusp

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033)

4th House – Angular house
· They could have experienced an unusual home life or upbringing, or live in an unusual house.
· Close friends may be accepted as part of the family.
· Sudden changes of residence and many changes in family life.
· Your parents will not have a binding effect.
· Not a domestic type and may not want a fixed and settled home life unless Uranus in a fixed sign.
· Unsettled conditions around mother may effect this individual emotionally. Restlessness in the roots of being can cause unstable conditions in life.
· Could collect unusual things, like porcelain pigs

[asteroid]

Oh i have made some kind of research which verified many facts of my young life. The unaspected sun suits exactly with my irresponsible and absent father and my tendency to stand on my own. Unaspected Jupiter from the other hand gave me spiritual freedom as no one ever tryed to manipulate or give me strict moral and relegious standarts. Also Uranus made me concern as family many close friends and reversed the family orders making me being a parent to my parents. :whistling:
Thank you again for your response :smile:

[asteroid]

by the way with placidus house system :sun: makes :sextile: with :jupiter:
what should i keep??

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5522/552223172b0fcf52446ab02e7def2f4c08f3eac.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=5522231&showlnk=0)

[dr. farr]

Applying Whole Sign format, Uranus and Neptune are both in 4th house, under Sagittarius and ultimately disposited by Jupiter. To me, shows pretty potent influences active both in childhood and to be anticipated in later life; also, in my rather unique way of looking at astrological indications, the disposition of Uranus and Neptune by Jupiter offers possibilities of "controlling" Urananian and Neptunian influences vis the higher mind (represented by Jupiter), assuming the requisite degree of knowledge (Jupiter again) is accumulated and higher spiritual connections (again, Jupiter) are made and extended.

[astrologer50]

It's NOT placidus house system. That 'aspect' would be there in ANY house systems, just means you went back to astro and made the 'orbs' bigger. 6' is max I would use for sextiles or trine aspects, but yes seems ok and a big help with your faith and beliefs systems. Sun is still a singleton

have you examined your moon as handle for bucket chart? also moon in 8th house of death, may show a women, wife and/or females present at your death.
Bucket chart
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm (http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm)
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html)
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html)

The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott
http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm (http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm)

[asteroid]

It's NOT placidus house system. That 'aspect' would be there in ANY house systems, just means you went back to astro and made the 'orbs' bigger. 6' is max I would use for sextiles or trine aspects, but yes seems ok and a big help with your faith and beliefs systems. Sun is still a singleton

have you examined your moon as handle for bucket chart? also moon in 8th house of death, may show a women, wife and/or females present at your death.

At least i will have company :wink: hahahaha!!!!!!!

Bucket chart
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm (http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm)
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html)
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html)

The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott
http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm (http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm)

You' ve given me o lot of homework and i'm willing to study hard :happy:

[asteroid]

Applying Whole Sign format, Uranus and Neptune are both in 4th house, under Sagittarius and ultimately disposited by Jupiter. To me, shows pretty potent influences active both in childhood and to be anticipated in later life; also, in my rather unique way of looking at astrological indications, the disposition of Uranus and Neptune by Jupiter offers possibilities of "controlling" Urananian and Neptunian influences vis the higher mind (represented by Jupiter), assuming the requisite degree of knowledge (Jupiter again) is accumulated and higher spiritual connections (again, Jupiter) are made and extended.


Oh I'm grateful for showing me another perpective.
Besides i belive too that we are responsible for activating the positive or the negative planet forces :wink: