Charts of Adopted Children

[Sistermoon]

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[Caprising]

Having watched several adoptions take place by friends/aquaintances over the years, i'm not any closer to having an astrological understanding of this, but then I didnt receive any birth data from these people either! I'm sure that certain changes should show in the childs progressed chart (uranus transiting ascendant for instance) , and in the charts of the adoptive parents, but you would already know this yourself! I'm thinking that the child will retain the birth parents hereditary father/mother traits to some degree, possibly depending on the strength of the natal sun/moon/and any planets aspecting these. The adoptive parents planetary strengths would have to compete with the biological parents planetary strengths, so using this as a guide it should indicate which will win out in day to day mother/father/child relationships. As an example, if the child has their sun in pisces and the adoptive father has his sun in leo the adoptive fathers planetary strength should win out over the childs natal sun strength, which should theoretically allow the child to "adopt" (or adapt to)her new fathers "fathering'. Could you post her birthchart?

[tikana]

This is what I know about adopted child

1. Pisces in 4th house
2. Neptune in 4th
3. pisces on asce
4. Neptune in 1st very close to asce
5. Afflicted moon and saturn in natal chart
6. very active neptune in natal chart
7. pluto on 4th house cusp

adopted parents should look at 11th house since it is derived 5th house from 7th

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[tikana]

well look at moon and saturn
moon is in critical degree even though it is a trine to saturn
but uranus/saturn are opposing
and saturn inconjuncting neptune
moon rules 4th house - the roots critical degree... i would think that there is a disrupted foundation which is the family roots.

Also notice how afflicted ruler of asce is... Mars
mars is squaring merc
mars opposing pluto
it does sextile sun
mars is very weak in cancer

[Caprising]

The indicators of ones parents are veiwed from the perspective of the native, so if I have the moon in Aries (which I do) then i would perceive my mother to have an Arian style in her mothering role (which she does). If I was adopted out at an early age then I can only assume that I would still see my adoptive mother through my own mothering placements (the moon basically) , changing parents probably won't change the young child too much , what most likely will change the child as he /she grows older is synastry between parents and herself, not to mention progressions/transits. To look at the childs biological parents I would do a synastry to see how they would interact or otherwise!

[astrologer50]

Well thanks goodness that moon is not involved in the Grand square. Now moon opp venus can show stress from childhood connected to mother. I recently read a thread on here as to how this plays out in relationships to --which was really an eye opener.

venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon)

Grand squares are rather difficult to, lots of internal tension and whatever can go wrong usually does. Uranus square mars rebellious, poss bad temper. Mars square mercury, argumentative, mercury square pluto, verbal lacerations and uranus opp mercury again argumentative. mars opp pluto I suggest you get her signed up for karate or kick boxing :whistling:

Venus is also a singleton, ie; only planet in fire which the chart lacks this energy..

My first response was very similar to Tik's Neptune in 4th (poss skeletons in closet) doubts about roots and family

[Artemisdaughter]

I think Aries shows battles in birth this might mean fighting between biological parents or the inner struggle her birth mother faced in giving her up. Also Uranus in 12th in pisces might indicate birth mothers sacrifice and the unusual circumstances before her birth. Her birth father could be unusual maybe drinks to much or even religious (maybe this was the motivator for adoption not termination). 12th House of the unconscious for birth father he may not of met her even though he is a part of her.

Personally I could be completely wrong but I consider the birth mum in the Ascendant because she is present at time of birth when you were not and father as 12 house the subconscious part of us. 5th House could be another area too because fun/romance of conception.

I also see Mars in cancer in neighborhood/siblings/communication/primary school 3rd House might be struggles with her mother/female teachers or mothers identity is at a young age and I also see her as protective of her family. This has good aspect to Chiron so I see resolution to this being healing for her. Mars often isn't war but energy/passion and can give relationships depth.

This child could need a special diet Saturn in 6th House in Virgo or she could go into the healthcare industry.

I think you and your partner are still her sun and moon the traditional planets of parents and maybe her father is lighthearted while mother is more structured and career focused driving force behind the daughter.

I look in my chart and see both my biological father and my step father in same places even though they manifest very differently i.e Sun in Pisces absent/alcoholic father + loving father who makes sacrifices for his family. I feel the planet has both properties and for some people they manifest in one for me they have two separate manifestations I've always loved my step-father deeply as an adult I am coming to terms with the impact of my biological father. I am grateful he walked away if he hadn't I wouldn't have the Daddy I did.

I believe we choose our parents both as vessels and the caregivers.

[astrologer50]

Astrologer: I know that Mars is troublesome, lol. I am not sure though if there is technically a grand square there unless you factor in the ASC, which I normally don't when I'm reading grand squares.
I don't really see the skeleton in the closet aspect you guys are speaking of...she has no Neptune or Pisces at the base of her chart. (I however do have that in in my own natal chart and boy the skeletons are stuffed in there so tight there's no room for more) Based on my own experience with family secrets, I have no intention of carrying on that tradition with her: it will be all out in the open.
Anyway I will definitely find her an outlet for all that energy, perhaps she can be a drummer in a heavy metal band, lol.
Caprising, that is what I was thinking as well re: the experience of the parents.

I'm confused Aries is rising not Cappi??? and yes the grand square in that chart is valid and doesn't involve Asc. Mars square uranus is a little wide 9' and separating, but I would say yes the grand square is valid :whistling:

re: saturn in 6th has two challenges square to pluto and opp uranus...
Saturn in the 6th house
· Have to work for what is received. Difficulties with employees and in working conditions due to a separateness and a demanding-ness. Hard worker but shouldn't expect everyone else to have the same attitude about the job.
· A tendency to worry and fret can cause health problems even stomach ulcers. They may worry unduly about their health.
· Can be a little bit nit picking and be irritated far to easily.
· Makes for cautiousness and practicality. Work is not as important as attitude toward it.
· Security may be found in hard work.
· These people have high expectations and meet challenges, delays and difficulties at work.
· Efforts are rewarded by slow advancement.
· Probably work alone and behind the scenes. Won't moan about work just get on with it.
· You will gain confidence by your untiring efforts for perfection, and will gain much respect from co‑workers.

think claire19 has stellium in 6th including Saturn - so maybe she will comment on how that functions...

[astrologer50]

I believe we choose our parents both as vessels and the caregivers.
I agree completely, deeply profound, spiritual and common sensical

[Mr stellium]

For heritage/parental lineage, look to the 4th house and Saturn.
4th house is Cancer and ruler is in opposite house consistent with adoption (mother/Cancer gave up child Moon/Capricorn). Why did she give up her child? Obviously the emotional connection was not strong enough for her to keep her child. Mars/Cancer at IC is interesting - Maybe the mother comes from violent/abusive circumstances. This is supported by Moon in bounds of Mars/Capricorn. Saturn/Virgo/6th suggests biological parents are poor/working class.

[astrologer50]

For heritage/parental lineage, look to the 4th house and Saturn.
4th house is Cancer and ruler is in opposite house consistent with adoption (mother/Cancer gave up child Moon/Capricorn). Why did she give up her child? Obviously the emotional connection was not strong enough for her to keep her child. Mars/Cancer at IC is interesting - Maybe the mother comes from violent/abusive circumstances. This is supported by Moon in bounds of Mars/Capricorn. Saturn/Virgo/6th suggests biological parents are poor/working class.

Mars at the IC can suggest one parent can poss have bad temper but abuse in my mind at least belongs to pluto. Then is that pluto were square mars or opposite or conj then there would be far far greater possibility of abuse.

Moon in Cappi - it's detriment suggests possibly an older mother and that she will get on well with perhaps an older generation than her own.
Moon having a trine to saturn suggests emotional structure and easy flowing energies from father and mother (whether biological or adopted)