Synastry

[exodus]

Well here's the information for my latest love interest. :rolleyes: *coughs*

September 23 1987, Leidschendam The Netherlands at 01.00 PM



And mine...

October 12 1986, Voorburg The Netherlands at 07.00 AM

[Arian Maverick]

Exodus,

I've created all of the charts, but I can't seem to upload them with this slow Internet connection! :eek:

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

It took me a good twenty minutes to upload these charts, but I believe I've finally done it! :D

Exodus - Natal Chart:

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Exodus' Girlfriend - Natal Chart:

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Synastry Chart:

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Composite Chart:



Davison Relationship Chart:



Arian Maverick

[exodus]

Hah, well there's no hurry. :)

I have mucho patience. :D


EDIT _

hah, I post and all of a sudden all the charts appear. Magic!

[freedomlover]

Ahhh! Grasshoppah, your patience pays off. An answer, I have. (cross your fingers. ;))

The one theme that seemed to stick out to me was that of communication. Others on here could go into it in more detail than I, but, in general, the aspects that drew my attention were:

(1)Her Saturn and Uranus (1st house-Sag) are conjunct(or close, not sure of how close to be conjunct, but looks like it to me) your Uranus in the 3rd house(Sag) which rules communication.
(2)Her Mercury (11th house-Libra) looks to be conjunct your natal Sun in Libra in the first house.
(3) Her Pluto (11th house-Scorpio)Looks to be conjunct your Pluto and Mercury(1st house-Scorpio)
(4)Her Uranus(1st-Sag) opposing your Chiron(9th-Gemini)
(5)Her Neptune( 2nd-Cap) is conjunct your Neptune(3rd-Cap) and opposing her Chiron (7th-Gemini)

And all this means..... you say?

To summarize as a way of starting it off (?!)... To me, this relationship has all the elements of an extreme close friendship, possible soul mate-type of relationship, IF you play your cards right. There seems to be a strong emphasis on the Sag-Gemini polarity. This would seem to indicate that good communication is key. You both may also have some serious illusions about which each of you really wants out of the relationship. This aspect (the Neptunes), could also point to the spiritual quality of the relationship.

Is she pretty different than the type of girl you have usually gone for? Is this relationship developing differently? How is your communication? Can you "talk for hours"? Can you share personal stuff with each other? Also, are your spiritual beliefs similar? Is she from a liberal or traditional background?

The answers to these questions would help me know which way to go concerning the interpretation, as I don't have the expertise to see things exactly, at this juncture.;)

[exodus]

Is she pretty different than the type of girl you have usually gone for? Is this relationship developing differently? How is your communication? Can you "talk for hours"? Can you share personal stuff with each other? Also, are your spiritual beliefs similar? Is she from a liberal or traditional background?


Hmm different than the type of girl I usually have gone for. I would say so. I've noticed a pattern which repeats itself over and over again, I always draw woman towards me who are either mars in aquarius, moon in scorpio or both. Always. So a virgo with a strong libra presence is quite different than the usual, I would say. She does have a scorpio ascendant though.

For the second question;

Well, I'm under the impression that it actually is developing very differently from my usual ones. Usually I tend to get possessive fast, so fast that I suffocate them, which in turn makes them run like hell... in the opposite direction of course.

But, in this case it's like I know that there is a chance of things working out somehow between us... perhaps so well, that well... don't laugh, I *feel* like doing the running. Sound strange right? Well to me it does.

So it's strange, I know, one side of me wants to commit really badly, but the other side doesn't for some reason. I think it has something to do with me being afraid of losing my freedom. Freedom's big for me. Oh yeah. If someone really wants to **** me off big time, they only have to try to take away my freedom in some way, by telling me not to do something to trying the labelling game on me.


About our communication, all I have to say is that I've noticed that our telephone conversations aren't all that great, but when we get to getter, something strange happens. I don't know if such a thing is possible, solid communication without an overly huge amount of words exchanged, I've noticed that she tends to rattle on longer and more than I :D, but when we get together it's like time stops just for a moment. We've actually been laying on my bed, doing absolutely nothing but hold each other while listening to music till the next morning. I've never been the huggy-kissy type kind of guy, definately not. So that came as a big surprise to me.

There's no problem in talking about any sort of subject. Anything goes.

Our spiritual beliefs? Well she doesn't believe in God but has told me that she has thought about reincarnation and the appeal it has to her. I do believe in God, raised a Catholic, but in no way strict. I'm wandering around trying to get a taste of all the worlds religions/philosophies and have found reincarnation and past lifes to be a very interesting subject. So you could say our spiritual beliefs are compatible.

As far as I know, she comes from a liberal background, as do I.

There's one thing though. It really bugs the living daylights out of me. She's quite stunning.

But.

She's very...very aware of it. She can be quite vain and also thinks too much of her environment. I've also noticed that she really wants to please me by nearly never disagreeing about trivial matters... sure she will speak up if I were to call her a whore for example, but anyways the conformist thing annoys me. It's a small turnoff for me, because I see it as a sign of no willpower at all.

And I'm not too sure how loyal she can be towards her partner. She has told me that she cheated not once twice thrice but four times on her ex, which she had a relationship with for 2 years. I believe reading something about libra moon people being unfaithful in love, no disrespect to the libra moon people who are faithful.


Well that's about it.

[freedomlover]

Exodus,

I'll have to say that much I said and will say about this chart was more of a "feel", than technical stuff.

It's so funny what you said about her being stunning! That was actually the first thing I intuited off of it when I wrote you the first note and said I'd picked up a few things. For some reason I picked up on that right away. I kinda saw it in the chart (don't remember where), but I "felt' it morel. I don't know why I didn't write something about it. Actually I was pretty well right on with everything you've said. For some reason, though, I decided not to stick my neck out and go for it. I guess I call it wrong-- this time I should have put it out there, so to speak....Oh, well...

I still think communication is key, in this relationship especially. I know that you've said you have the tendency to get possessive... I may be wrong, but I think she has a strong subconscious drive to keep from getting possessed. Her first house is Scorpio/Sag, with Saturn and Uranus in Sag. I see this as a possible "runaway bride" type of figuration. (also, if you try to "possess" the other in the relationship, don't you kinda wind up losing your freedom you said was so important to you? don't you kinda do it to yourself?;))

She may very well be the type, from her chart, that she tends to keep things kind of "superficial" - even using her physical beauty that she is so aware of to keep things focused on the "outer",instead of the "inner".

Other things that would support this is her stellium in Libra. Until properly balanced, Librans (especially a female with a male) tend to suppress their expression because they think they need to to keep the balance in the relationship - some of it is a societal thing with women. Librans are natural people-pleasers, and have to learn to speak up for themselves. And this is obviously one of her life-lessons this lifetime, for her True node and Jupiter (r) are in Aries. She needs to learn to consider herself in the relationship equation. The fact that you recognize this pattern in her so early in the relationship, and the fact that you don't like it is good. Probably you are very different than others she has dated. If a guy thought it was good that she gave him the upper hand in the relationship, it would keep her from growing out of this negative pattern.

But his lack of speaking up for herself is a block to emotional intimacy, and being able to relate properly. This is why I keep getting the communications thing. It is really important that you go slowly,(in my opinion, from what I see in the charts) treat her as you would your beloved sister,(I know, it's hard when she's that pretty!;)) She needs to know you can be trusted. I see her 7th house with you two as portraying this. It's cusp is Taurus, which rules solid foundation and trust, and the way it would be accomplished is Gemini, which is most of the 7th house, and that is open communication, with each of you allowed to have your own opinions. Chiron is in her 7th house in Gemini, which would indicate a healing she needs. I think you may just be the guy to help her with this. I feel strongly from the charts that jumping into anything physical before you "know that you know that you know", would be very detrimental to the relationship, as it actually would destroy the trust to a degree. This relationship needs handled slowly, and a solid foundation built. Again, it has the possibillities of a very strong relationship, at the very least good friends, maybe a whole lot more.

It's good that you have a lot in common. Past lives is an interesting subject, and from your charts, I think there is a very good chance you knew each other before ;), especially considering the chemistry between you two, and that this seems to be a different path for the two of you vs. old relationship patterns.

I see the basis for this also in her 11th house (friends), and your 1st house being side by side. Her mercury conjunct your Sun - your personality adding balance to her and helping her learn good communication. Also, your plutos are conjunct in Scorpio, with your mercury also conjunct. I see this as a possibility for a deep emotional connection, again, IF you play your cards right.

Your inner divisiveness on the subject of commitment may very well be that your inner voice is trying to adjust your thinking on this matter. Don't think of commitment as being possession, you "belong" to each other. Think of it as a dedication to always do what's best for the both of you, and to be committed to her growing into all she can be. TRUE friendship is the real basis for any commitment.

As to her loyalty in the past, (or lack thereof)..... I believe this was because of her past way of relating. If I were you, I wouldn't hold that against her. Consider this a new day, and a clean slate, and maybe with a solid foundation with someone who she truly trusted, she might not be the cheating kind anymore.

One thing, what do you mean by "she thinks too much of her environment"? Not sure what you mean by that. Also, what is her attitude about money, material things, etc.?

Just concentrate on her inner beauty, and close your eyes if you have to.:D

Peace,

freedomlover

[exodus]

Well I meant she thinks too much about what other people think, but that again is a libra trait, yes?

On money? Well she does want a man who is independant, get's his own money, drives his own car. We've even talked about when we'd move out of our homes to go live on ourselves. - not with each other though ;) we're nowhere near that stage yet -

She always has a job, so she isn't lazy about acquiring said money. She also wants to -pay- for our drinks and whatever when we go out, although I've let her do that only once. On other occasions I've really had to convince her that I'd cover it. :) Which I did of course.

She said she wanted to dispell the rumour..well more sort of like breaking the barrier that guys always have to pay for girls on dates. I'm old fashioned when it comes to that.

Well, I've got to get to work.

Exodus

[freedomlover]

Well, that pretty well confirms the overall picture I had - a very "today" kind of girl (in many ways). I still get the impression from her chart that she has a serious "trust" issue regarding men somewhere in her subconscious. I think it would be good if you would always keep in mind the importance of honest, heartfelt communication. And she may need some encouragement on your part to stand up and speak her mind a little more. I have had a friend who had a similar problem, and after many months of always "playing my part, and encouraging him to speak up", he is starting to do so. I had to do a lot of "watching his back", so to speak. He'd let me walk on him, if I didn't.

Do you know anything about her parents? Were they a "traditional" husband and wife? She learned the behavior of not speaking up from somewhere.

[exodus]

Hmm, well, that's a different story actually.

See, her real father died of cancer 2 weeks before she was born, and when the time came that she was going to come out, her mom couldn't take the pregnancy and they were forced to do a c-section. Her mom survived, and they found out something else. See, if she would have came out the natural way, her mom would have died of cancer (her uterus was infected).

So in some way she stayed in her mom's womb to tell the world that she was sick and in turn saved her life.

After the death of her biological father, his best friend married her mom and they have been together ever since. Also, what I'd like to note is that her stephdad suffered from a similiar mental disorder as my dad did.

[freedomlover]

WOW!!!!

That's some story! I sensed in the chart that you all possibly had a deep understanding of each other. Maybe this is the area - shared hurts?

How was her mom and stepdad's relationship? Traditional (he works - she stays home and takes care of home and children?) Was he authoritarian? Or her mom the authoritarian one?

Just probing for answers.....;)

[exodus]

Well, to be honest, I don't really know anything about that. She did tell me once that she ran away from home a few times when she was like 14 and that her relationship with her dad wasn't that well.


Hmm, is is a possibility that I am in some way connected to her and perhaps even her family. See, before I even knew that she existed, a couple of years back, I met another girl who I consider to be my first love. This girl is in fact her cousin! (They don't bear the same surname) And that's not all, I used to be good friends with her brother too. So yeah.. go figure. :rolleyes:


edit. I believe it's traditional. I can remember her telling me that her dad works alot comes home, sleeps and leaves during the week.

[freedomlover]

All of the "near-misses" in meeting her via knowing some of her family, is often a "sign" from the universe that you two have a past-life tie, possibly soul-mate. (At least I see the pattern to often indicate that, when looking back.) I'm not saying for sure she is, now, but there is a good possibility.

But I have also found that true "soul-mate" relationships take A LOT of work, dedication, and understanding.

And, yeah, she DEFINITELY has some issues with men. Tread carefully, and try to be understanding. Always remember that she has some serious issues that are probably still mostly unresolved if you ever start taking personally anything that she may do in the future that doesn't make sense, or you find hurtful.

Just a note.... in many (if not most, depending on the area of the world we're talking about) "traditional" families, money is equal to authority in the house-hold and is often misused and abused. If the father "brings in" all of the money, the others usually feel that they have to do what he says -- and more so compounded if the father is controlling, authoritarian, abusive, etc.

She ran away.... there's some kind of trouble at home......

Also, I often see that women who are really independent with money, and wanting to "break the tradition" that the man pays for everything,are sub-consciously trying to keep from being controlled by "the man who has the money".

Childhood conditioning has most of us on "auto-pilot".

Just some observations........