Rising Sign or Sun Sign

[Cosmiccradle]

In your opinion which holds more quality when interperting a person, the sun or rising sign?

And please don't say both, because they can't becompared to each other.

I would think the rising sign, seeing that planets that have contact with the Ascendant find a better outlet.

[Vista]

In your opinion which holds more quality when interperting a person, the sun or rising sign?

And please don't say both, because they can't becompared to each other.

I would think the rising sign, seeing that planets that have contact with the Ascendant find a better outlet.

To me I think it would have to do with the aspects of the rulers of each.
For example, I dated someone with Sag rising, ruler Jupiter in Leo in the 8th house. He has a Scorpio stellium conjunction of Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Neptune in the 12th house. But for Neptune, this is not a happy place for the other planets as it inhibits their natural expression. Jupiter, being a singleton in his chart and in fiery Leo with a wide out of sign opposition to Cap Moon seems to be dominant here. He can be very arrogant and needs a lot of freedom. Sex is very important to him and he gets his feelings hurt kind of easily but doesn't show it other than through anger as he is temperamental. I should add that he has Virgo Mars, Uranus, and Pluto conjunct which could add to the temperamental part.

I have Aries rising, with Mars RX in Leo and unaspected on the 5/6th cusp. Not much chance at a natural expression here. I can be very passive or agressive at times, sort of an all or nothing thing with me. As I have gotten older it's not as noticable, but it's still lurking under the surface. My Capricorn Sun is much stronger in my chart now with it's sextile and trine to Neptune and Pluto.

[Cosmiccradle]

To me I think it would have to do with the aspects of the rulers of each.
For example, I dated someone with Sag rising, ruler Jupiter in Leo in the 8th house. He has a Scorpio stellium conjunction of Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Neptune in the 12th house. But for Neptune, this is not a happy place for the other planets as it inhibits their natural expression. Jupiter, being a singleton in his chart and in fiery Leo with a wide out of sign opposition to Cap Moon seems to be dominant here. He can be very arrogant and needs a lot of freedom. Sex is very important to him and he gets his feelings hurt kind of easily but doesn't show it other than through anger as he is temperamental. I should add that he has Virgo Mars, Uranus, and Pluto conjunct which could add to the temperamental part.

I have Aries rising, with Mars RX in Leo and unaspected on the 5/6th cusp. Not much chance at a natural expression here. I can be very passive or agressive at times, sort of an all or nothing thing with me. As I have gotten older it's not as noticable, but it's still lurking under the surface. My Capricorn Sun is much stronger in my chart now with it's sextile and trine to Neptune and Pluto.

So if I understand you correctly, you say the strength lies by the amount of aspects the one or other has?

[Vista]

So if I understand you correctly, you say the strength lies by the amount of aspects the one or other has?


Yes, but not completely. One would also have to consider the strength and debility of the ruling planets I would think. Example, Cancer rising with Moon in Scorpio verses Virgo rising with Mercury is Gemini.

[Vagabondgirl]

I personally think that I act more like my Gemini AC when Im around people, but my values and interests are more of my Libra sun type. But both are air signs, so perhaps they have some similarities? Maybe it depends on which signs they are.

[Cosmiccradle]

Yes, but not completely. One would also have to consider the strength and debility of the ruling planets I would think. Example, Cancer rising with Moon in Scorpio verses Virgo rising with Mercury is Gemini.

And how would you take that stand if the sun were in an introvert sign and the ascendant in an extrovert sign, whereby the sun was heavily aspected?

[Cosmiccradle]

I personally think that I act more like my Gemini AC when Im around people, but my values and interests are more of my Libra sun type. But both are air signs, so perhaps they have some similarities? Maybe it depends on which signs they are.

I see the cusps as the doorways within the chart. I believe a planet has better chance of expression if it is near a cusp or on a cusp, or aspected to a cusp. Vista says that dig and deb also play a part, which I can not deny however my point is the placing and having the ability to express itself places a larger roll, than strength. A singleton in the middle of a house, is pretty much lost in my opinion. A singleton near a cusp on the other hand has a pretty good chance of living a life of it's own, and expressing that uniqueness.

[Vista]

And how would you take that stand if the sun were in an introvert sign and the ascendant in an extrovert sign, whereby the sun was heavily aspected?


That's a good question. I guess I could say I live out both depending on my mood. When I was in my 20's, the Aries ASC was much more prominant. Now, as I have matured, I think my Capricorn Sun is the dominant force in my personality, although I can talk to anyone, Aries, but am very selective and have to be in the mood, Capricorn.

When you say singleton is lost in the middle of a house, do you mean a singleton without aspects or hardly any aspects? To me, a singleton whether it is in the middle or near a cusp is important as it acts like a funnel of energy to the other planetary placements.

[Cosmiccradle]

That's a good question. I guess I could say I live out both depending on my mood. When I was in my 20's, the Aries ASC was much more prominant. Now, as I have matured, I think my Capricorn Sun is the dominant force in my personality, although I can talk to anyone, Aries, but am very selective and have to be in the mood, Capricorn.

When you say singleton is lost in the middle of a house, do you mean a singleton without aspects or hardly any aspects? To me, a singleton whether it is in the middle or near a cusp is important as it acts like a funnel of energy to the other planetary placements.

Singleton, unaspected planet that is not neighboured by or in containment. As I have stated before generally speaking a planet is stronger in the middle of a house but has trouble expressing itself, whereas a planet near the cusp does get that chance.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24509

Also to me expression is not the same as makeup. Everything via the ascendant (or cusps is expression), the moon and sun are make up. In society we express much more than what others can see of our makeup.

0º with the cusps play the largest roll, then 180º. I very rarely look at 60º, 90º or 120º, I do take 150º into consideration because I like the quality of this aspect.

We experience (cusp) those around us, but do we know who (sun & moon) they are?

In closing the statements above are subjective.

[eternalautumn]

In my opinion, the Ascendant does, all the way. The domicile ruler of the sign is important, too. The reason the Sun is not as important to me in understanding a person is because I believe at night the Moon takes over as the dominant luminary, and therefore has more influence than the Sun. Traditionally, the Ascendant influences our body, looks, personality, temperament, etc. This is what we see when we look at another person.

[byjove]

Well I'm going to be naughty and mentioned something not in the main title...the Moon...I've been considering it lately since I really seem to spot people's Moons...I think the Sun more than the AC unless their are very important aspects the the AC...

[Cosmiccradle]

Well I'm going to be naughty and mentioned something not in the main title...the Moon...I've been considering it lately since I really seem to spot people's Moons...I think the Sun more than the AC unless their are very important aspects the the AC...

Sun (individuality), Moon (personality), Ascendant (temperament) of all three I would say that what we get to see the most of a person is their temperament. Granted we have a mixture of three, but by far the Ascendant plays the greater roll.

[eternalautumn]

Agreed, CC. The thing is, the Sun and Moon can be altered by essential and accidental dignity and debility, speed, motion, combustion, etc. The Ascendant cannot. It is simply the Ascendant, and that fact is why it should be the most important item when interpreting a person.

[Golden Rose]

I think its different for everyone depending the strength of the planets, in this case the Sun and Moon.

In my case I have sun squaring my rising and the ruler of my rising the moon, trines with my sun, so would that make sun stronger than the rising in my chart?

[eternalautumn]

It may be stronger, but it would still be filtered through the Ascendant as far as other people are concerned. At least in my opinion.

[dhundhun]

If you are taking to a person, please him/her with Sun Sign. If you are talking to others about a person, please other person with "a person's" rising sign.

If you are talking about boss, use always his/her Sun sign. If you are talking about your subordinate, use always his/her rising sign.

If we can think of *ism through Astrology this approach is Astrologism.

I wish, it would have been simpler.

[eternalautumn]

Hahahahaha. Excellent suggestion, dhundhun. :smile:

[dr. farr]

Probably because of my homeopathic education, which always looks at the combination of specific indications, I must say that in my opinion the matter must be determined upon the totality of chart elements. At least that's the way I've come to understand macrocosmic influences.

However, put the gun to my head and say:CHOOSE, ascendant or sun, OR DIE! I would join with the UNIVERSAL opinion of the ancients ( in Greece, Rome, Egypt, Persia, Arabia, Vedic India) and say, ASCENDANT!

[eternalautumn]

Just to clarify, we are talking about the way we see other people, without looking at their natal chart, right? I want to add temperament to my opinion, too. The Ascendant and temperament. That is what we notice when talking to the grocery store cashier, the maintenance guy, the mail carrier... Right? That is what this thread is about? :smile:

[Cosmiccradle]

Just to clarify, we are talking about the way we see other people, without looking at their natal chart, right? I want to add temperament to my opinion, too. The Ascendant and temperament. That is what we notice when talking to the grocery store cashier, the maintenance guy, the mail carrier... Right? That is what this thread is about? :smile:
Yep, what we experience the most in a person and that is not always the case with Moon and Sun, but is always the case with Ascendant.