Too Full or not Too Full, that is the question!

[Cosmiccradle]

Astrologers use directions and progressions for correction purposes. A divorce might be an Uranus to the 7th, a graduation in higher education with Saturnus to the ninth, imprisonment Neptune to the 12th, you can fill it in yourself. More often then not astrologers seek a full aspect, that is to say if one was in a car accident and had lost a leg at 16 directions/progressions would be sought for that day of the accident. The closer the better.

However I question this insight, the closer the better. Many things in our lives that make a big impression on us vary in impact and that impact also varies per person, and that impact varies with time, and time varies again with each person. To explain this in a perhaps better way, the following.

Bill is deeply in love and can not live without his girlfriend, one day he catches her in bed with another man, his life is devastated, she leaves him even though he's willing to forgive her. Two days later he hangs himself in his room.

Tom is deeply in love and can not live without his girlfriend, one day he catches her in bed with another man, she leaves him. He is astounded by what's happening and can't phathom what's happening. With each passing day he grows more depressed and after a year realizes what he's lost. He attempts suicide and lands in an institution.

The problem is this, in both cases we look for an exact aspect on the date that he caught his girlfriend in bed with another man. That is the trigger in both cases. That is the trigger both men would give to the astrologer.

My point is this, even though in both cases the trigger is the same, it is unrealistic to apply an exact aspect for both men, seeing that we can not measure the psychological impact for both men. For Bill the aspect must be exact, for Tom the same aspect must take place a year later to be exact. Perhaps even longer, if his mental health does not recover. Even if the aspect should be full on that day.

Although we view the catching of the girl in bed as the progressive incident that must be sought in the chart, it is not realistic to apply the same orb/aspect in both cases.

Astrologically, we would apply and exact aspect for both men when correcting the horoscope, because we look at the original occurance. This in my opinion is wrong, the occurance can not be measured when dealing with people and what for impact it has over time.

So what measure of time should you use when you are using directions and progressions for the same situation with two different men?

[starlink]

Maybe orbs play a role here. 5° before and after an exact aspect, by SA direction or progression, things can already or still happen.

Another thing we always have to look at is of course the natal chart itself. Each individual deals with emotional upset in a different way. So Bill is probably someone who is totally dependent on someone else, seen by maybe a stellium in his 7th house, especially the Moon. He reacts completely emotionally, without thinking. But Tom might have different placements and a more mental attitude towards what happened. He has to think things over and then slowly but surely realises that he cannot really be happy living on without this girl, so he finally also decides to take his own life. So I would look at these things to determine when something might happen.

Another thing is, that different aspects to one planet can cause the same event. We can have a Mars-Uranus square, we can have a Mars -Uranus trine or sextile. One acts faster, also depending on which sign it is placed in, then the other.
There are so many different things to look at , that in my opinion, just one similar aspect for these two guys, wont necessarily cause the same reaction and certainly not at the same time. And if so, then the placements of these planets also would make a difference in time. The Moon is usually the planet triggering the aspect.
Each person is different and with the same aspect, they still will not do things at the same time. There are too many factors to take into account.

With SA directions, you must also see if there are supporting other transits or progressions going on at the same time, which might be the case with Bill, but not (yet) with Tom. Just one SA aspect does not say much. You know the rule: one hit is no hit, two hits is a probable hit and 3 hits is a certain hit:)

[Cosmiccradle]

Maybe orbs play a role here. 5° before and after an exact aspect, by SA direction or progression, things can already or still happen.

Another thing we always have to look at is of course the natal chart itself. Each individual deals with emotional upset in a different way. So Bill is probably someone who is totally dependent on someone else, seen by maybe a stellium in his 7th house, especially the Moon. He reacts completely emotionally, without thinking. But Tom might have different placements and a more mental attitude towards what happened. He has to think things over and then slowly but surely realises that he cannot really be happy living on without this girl, so he finally also decides to take his own life. So I would look at these things to determine when something might happen.

Another thing is, that different aspects to one planet can cause the same event. We can have a Mars-Uranus square, we can have a Mars -Uranus trine or sextile. One acts faster, also depending on which sign it is placed in, then the other.
There are so many different things to look at , that in my opinion, just one similar aspect for these two guys, wont necessarily cause the same reaction and certainly not at the same time. And if so, then the placements of these planets also would make a difference in time. The Moon is usually the planet triggering the aspect.
Each person is different and with the same aspect, they still will not do things at the same time. There are too many factors to take into account.

With SA directions, you must also see if there are supporting other transits or progressions going on at the same time, which might be the case with Bill, but not (yet) with Tom. Just one SA aspect does not say much. You know the rule: one hit is no hit, two hits is a probable hit and 3 hits is a certain hit:)

Thankyou Starlink, it's not that I don't know, it's just important to me to see how other astrologer approach the problem, and if they have given thought to this situation.

[starlink]

Yes, I know what you are saying. I have actually thought of that myself, especially with twins. Some of them are born a few hours later than their brother or sister and they of course do get the same aspects also. Yet I have seen one twin die and the other not. (twice, one was my mother who died years after her sister died). Yet, same aspects of course. It is an intriguing thing.