Skin problems

[Ihatelawschool]

I've had very problematic skin for most of my life. Ive suffered from acne (but never severe acne) and I have a tendency to form keloids. Do my skin issues show up in my chart? I know that Capricorn rules over the skin and Lilith is in my 6th house and is in the sign of Capricorn! it still is an emotional issue to me, but only recently have I become more open about it-I think that is signified by the fact that my moon is in cancer (opposing capricorn) and it is in the 12th house-that makes sense because ive always been very secretive about it. What do you guys think?

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[23]

I don't know, thats a good issue in regard to you.

I thought the ruler of skin was Neptune. I have neptune in sag opp mars in gemini and I suffer from acne (upper body) and eczema, hence the anger in the skin condition. Also acne in the upper body would also be ruled by Aries and I have an aries asc (opp pluto).

I think maybe in your case having neptune in a fire sign and having a semisquare to your mars might have some impact. Maybe even Aries MC might have something do with it in a tenuous way.

Personal appearance, I heard is ruled by sun, venus and asc. Maybe it is your venus square mars even as well. Your venus although in the 12th is conj asc and it appears but you are secretive about it.

Hope that helps.

[freedomlover]

I've found, speaking from the point of view of the mind/body connection, that acne is often a visible sign of an emotional problem, often dealing with a sense of self/hatred, perfectionism, being too hard on oneself and/or rejection issues - feeling you are "marred" in some way. This could be supported by the Capricorn 6th house with Lilith in it. Hope that helps.

[Shining Ray]

Skin problems are usually related to Saturn. You have Moon square Saturn and as freedom pointed out with your Capricorn on the cusp of your 6th house this is where Saturn rules.

I have flare ups of eczema now and again when I am stressed. I have Saturn in my 1st (physical body) in Virgo. Saturn opposes my Pisces Sun in 7th.

Well you can guess where my eczema flares up Hands (Mercury ruler of Asc represents the hands) and feet (Pisces Sun rules feet).

Shining Ray

[Frisiangal]

Hi,

Skin problems aren't only ruled by Saturn/Capricorn, which tend to be found in chronic conditions, Virgo can refer to dermatological problems and Libra is very much associated with 'beautiful skin'.
For any sort of outer physical issue you would need to look at the aspects made in the sign concerned or by its planetary ruler and there would need to be a connection with the 1st and 6th houses.
You could rule out Mercury in Virgo, which makes only good aspects. Analytic, do good ,proof-but maybe just a tick-narrow-minded, to the point, says what it thinks, whereby it doesn't let things 'get under the skin'.

But Venus, ruler Libra of the 4th house, is conjunct Asc. and squares Jupiter-Mars in the 4th house. Maybe Venus has to compete with someone in an attempt, not to be equal, but to do better than they?
Capricorn rules the 6th house, as you saw, and Saturn in Libra conjunct I,C. from the 3rd house squares natal Moon and conjoins Pluto. Is Saturn an elder sibling or are you expected to set the example?

Such a set-up makes me think of inner emotional erupting vulcanoes that get under the skin and, inspite of a well-placed and critical Mercury in Virgo, the reasoning of which are not well thought out. Separating the chaff from the corn? So the eruptions take place THROUGH the skin. Maybe the desire to 'be good' in whatever form, makes one subservient to others wishes.

Subservience is a word unknown to the point of Black Moon Lilith, which is unaspected in your chart AND in the 6th house of service. The charts I have with BML in Capricorn have shown either an inner strong or total disregard of everything Capricorn stands for. They are a law unto themselves. Standing up (Capricorn/Saturn rules the skeleton) for one's own rights is a priority.
If the Moon in Cancer is a strong adversary, expressing what you feel deep inside is wrong could well turn out to be right.;)

F.

[Shining Ray]

Physiological correspondences

Because Saturn is largely concerned with structure, it is the structures of our bodies that are ruled by him. These are the skin, teeth, bones and skeletal system, spine and joints. Afflictions to Saturn in the chart can result in bone problems such as osteoporosis, fractures and breaks. Chronic skin problems, back pain and arthritis are other main Saturn ailments. All long-term chronic diseases and symptoms are saturanian in nature, as blockages and obstructions. On a psychological level, the heavy oppressive nature of Saturn can lead to depression

Saturn is linked to skin problems, because I have the placement of Saturn in my 1st opposed my Sun. This placement being in the 1st I have a strong self/physical barrier. Ihateschool has trouble expressing emotionally creating a barrier. With the Moon being a health factor reflects these feelings. Our skin reflects what is going on inside. Saturn ruling the 6th makes a definite link to health and skin through this planet.

Many skin conditions reinforce our sense of boundaries and sense of isolation skin problems keep people at bay, either because it's uncomfortable or painful for us to be touched or because we feel self conscious so we hide. If this is the case we need to look at fear of sharing ourselves with others - a classic Saturn problem.

Frisiangal has very good points in finding where the condition flares up Jupiter/Mars connection to the Venus on Asc. I didn't see the Venus placement, I will have to learn to be more observant like you Frisiangal. You always give such good health readings.

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

Sorry 23 just re-read and you did point out the Venus on Asc square to Mars as well. See I am not very observant sometimes, major flaw I have.

Shining Ray

[23]

Well then if Saturn is the ruler of skin, then I think my eczema must come from my sun opposing saturn. My saturn also semi-squares my mars too.

These sites says skin is ruled by saturn:

http://www.angelfire.com/stars/starryeyed/astrology.html
http://www.zodiacal.com/basics/index-frame.htm

I think also something like a mars negative aspect is required for things like eczema and acne as these are "hot" skin ailments.

Otherwise, this website says that skin ailments is ruled by pluto. I have pluto in Virgo in the 6th; this opposed my jupiter in the 1st that is conj with asc in aries. Hence higher body skin ailments.

http://www.findyourfate.com/planets/pluto.htm

[Shining Ray]

23,

Yes maybe you would need Mars as well, because I have Mars in 6th squaring Uranus. My eczema flares only when I am highly stressed. Combination of both Saturn strong and Mars strong health wise.

Shining Ray

[carnna]

I normally don't use placidius houses, but here goes my quick and humble attempt: ( I do use 5deg cups offset rule AND check whole sign chart to verify dignifications and the like).
considerations: Nocturnal chart, Planetary day SUN, Planetary Hour Venus;
THE SUN & VENUS are rulers of the chart (Almutem's)
all the planets in chart are fast except Sun
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars and Saturn have dignity
Venus & Jupiter peregrine (though both accidently dignified by position).

very strong energies in this chart.

Health/surgeries 6th
chronic health conditions 12th
skin - Saturn & Venus (sometimes moon)

Look to ALL the rulers of 6th (2deg cappy)
sat-ruler, exalted in Libra conjunct nadir
mars-exalted & triplicity-participator (house Almuten)
moon-trip-night ruler (nocturnal chart-so, in youth or 1st third of life)
Venus-Trip ruler - 2nd 1/3 of life
mercury- term ruler (2deg cappy)
jup - face ruler (1st decant of cappy)

12th house- 2 deg cancer
moon-ruler
jup-exalted
mars-trip ruler (nocturnal-1st third of life)
Venus-trip ruler (2nd third of life)
moon- trip ruler-participator (last third of life) (house Almuten)
mars- term ruler (2deg cancer)
ven - face ruler (1st decan ruler of cancer)

1st house asc is physical attributes of native
consider all rulers and aspects to asc & Almuten (or highest ruler) of sign of asc.

3deg Leo - asc
ruler - sun (is house Almuten)
no exaltations
trip rulers are:
jup (by night)/ sun / Saturn participator
term ruler is jup
face ruler is sat.

VENUS is on asc so she becomes important as she is also secondary ruler of skin and beauty and with the sun she rules the chart; she is peregrine (no dignity) however she IS accidentally dignified being angular.

Tightest aspect to asc is jup square
then ven conjunct
then mars square (ven sq. mars is also a factor of condition but is not cause, but fallout - such as he makes the condition known or seen by further inflaming it, but it was already there - make sense to you?) Jupiter, though peregrine and not as strong as mars is still angular and a benefic and closer in position to aspect asc and therefore you may exagerrate the problem but he being a benefic is determined towards your health, though in harsh aspect it is seperating and ease's as your life progress's and you age.

all aspects to asc will also aspect Venus

Sun as sign ruler, dignified, cnjt 2nd house sextiles jup, sat & mc, all favorable aspects- no skin problems there.

Saturn ruler of 6th is exalted in Libra cnjt 4th/nadir-good condition, though waning moon applying square to him. She rules house of chronic conditions (and I'd say the condition comes and goes because of her, she is the timer) and she is dignified in Cancer but in an unfortunate house - good and bad times. Saturn in house of ancestry show hereditary source. The only other harsh aspect the moon makes is square to mc (reputation/honor/DEEDS-ACTIONS). Forming a t-square between the three (moon/sat/mc) showing that condition can be relieved through 6th house endeavors (health - habits - service by practitioner of Saturn nature - also rules 7th).

T-square aggravates, moon times the hereditary condition (Saturn), and through healthy diet and watchful practitioner, you find the solution or relief thereof.

in 2nd third of life (guessing about 27-30, since it is a much longer procedure to delineate length of life, I guesstimate) this condition will fade away with Venus in much more control (i.e. YOU since she is conjunct the asc) and more fortified then Saturn during that time (due to your chart being a nocturnal one).
(although last third of life moon is stronger again, will return and once again habits-health bear watching)

I note that you have many professional significators and opportunites abound for you.

also, when you configure the lots (arabic points) use the nocturnal rule, in other words the night formulas where it is different from diurnal (day) formulas.

[Frisiangal]

[quote=Shining Ray] I will have to learn to be more observant like you Frisiangal.

I think it's the Virgo Ascendant.;)

You always give such good health readings.

Thank you:o.
It is to be hoped that the 'good health readings' find their mark. :D

F.

[Ihatelawschool]

meh, reading all of your posts did get me really emotional because you all pointed something out that is very sensitive to me...I do hide my feelings and I am ashamed of them. AS you can tell from my chart, I am VERY emotional, but logical at the same time. Often times, I know how I feel but I feel ashamed for feeling that way, so I hide them. Consequently, my skin breaks out. I never saw the connection, but it makes sense. My skin often breaks out when I dont keep up with my responsibilites-despite the fact that I have a good work ethic, I get lazy and dont keep up (that sounds odd and contradictory, i know) and then i feel guilty about being lazy and then I break out-that probably goes back to the Saturn aspect of my 6th house. Exercising, eating right and keeping up w/my responsibilites will improve my state of mind and will result in clearer skin.

I wish I had a thicker skin, but that Cancerian moon (which is probably one of my favorites in my chart) makes me more emotional and intuitive. As a result, I can pick up how others feel and that makes me refrain myself ALOT.

Lastly, frisiangel-your comment about the sibling/saturn connection was DEAD ON! My sister's Saturn (3 degrees Leo) is conjunct to my ascendant. We were compared alot growing up, esp since she did well in school and was a better daughter than me.

The venus/asc and jupiter/mars connection really does make sense.

Thank you

[johan]

Exercising, eating right and keeping up w/my responsibilites will improve my state of mind and will result in clearer skin.

Yes,IHL,spot on!In my opinion....It is both how you treat your body and how you think or feel.The one affects the other,they are analogous.Nowadays there are so many good books about health.I don't know if they are available in your language,but the book of Dr.Gunther Harnisch about the biochemical salts and the one of Dr. Harold Hosch about living healthier are imo great books(sorry for being a know-it-all,I blame it on my Pluto-Mercury opposition:( ,but it is well meant).May be worthwile to read it!

The Cancerian Moon?Yep,have that too in my 10th house(the public house).

[Ihatelawschool]

know-it-all?? dont be silly! Suggestions are always welcome. I will definitely look into those books!!

[Theo]

I've had very problematic skin for most of my life. Ive suffered from acne (but never severe acne) and I have a tendency to form keloids. Do my skin issues show up in my chart? I know that Capricorn rules over the skin and Lilith is in my 6th house and is in the sign of Capricorn! it still is an emotional issue to me, but only recently have I become more open about it-I think that is signified by the fact that my moon is in cancer (opposing capricorn) and it is in the 12th house-that makes sense because ive always been very secretive about it. What do you guys think?

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Yes, in this chart, the skin problems would appear. You have a shortage of Calcium and Magnesium in your diet. Suggest that you get these minerals in supplement form and take daily with food. Your Moon in Cancer will respond.

For the acne, try this ~

Buy Calendula gel
Tea Tree Oil
Pure Aloe Vera
Pure White Honey

Mix all the above on a small clear plate... add two drops of Tea Tree oil to the mix, and then apply on the acne after washing with Oatmeal soap. Also change your soap, as it is most likely adding to the problem as is your diet. The key is to keep the acne area moist (not dry) so the skin can heal itself with help from the above treatment. The mix will drive deep into the skin to kill the bacteria and force it upwards where more of the mix will finally kill it.

Avoid soda, fast food, etc., for several weeks, and eat more whole wheat foods, and reduce the amount of fat in your diet.

[outoforb]

Hello Law School, now that I'm registered your chart won't seem to post. Just wanted to say that I think in your case the acne is related at least partly to your emotional state because you have the Sensitive Cancer Moon and Saturn/Mars/Pluto in the 4th house. I once heard an astrologer talk who was beginning a transit of Pluto to her 4th house and she said that out of the blue her face was breaking out. When they are placed in the 4th house, Mars and Pluto can cause deep seated "eruptions" from underneath the surface of things. I've got the same placement. Also, you might have some allergic reactions, especially to certain foods due the Cancer Moon.

[balefully]

Non astrological ..

If the acne condition is severed, rocaccutane can help greatly. I've seen great results from friends who are on it.

[franklin taylor]

Hi lawschool,
The sources I read state that skin is rule by Capricorn and its ruler Saturn also Venus and it's ruler Libra. Skin Aliments are ruled by Venus/Mars aspects and Saturn/Ascendant aspects.
Skin Allergies; having a prominent Moon or Neptune in one's chart, Venus/ Saturn aspects, Saturn in Capricorn or Cancer, Mars in Capricorn, Afflicting aspects between Venus/Mars or Venus/Pluto, afflictions on the axis of Aries and Libra
Allopecia Pimples are ruled by Aries.
Skin Crawling is indicated by having afflictions between the Nodes and the Ascendant.
Skin eruptions are ruled by Libra.
Skin disease is indicated as the same as aliments with the addition of Moon/Saturn amd Saturn/Pluto aspects.
Skin Disorders can be indicated by Venus/Saturns aspects.
Skin Rashing is ruled by Libra. Having skin sensitivity is indicated by Uranus/Ascendant aspects and Aquarius.
Skin Growths are ruled by Pluto, and Venus/Pluto aspects.
Skin Swelling is ruled by Venus/Mars aspects, and skin injuries are ruled by Mars/Saturn aspects and their transits.
Dry Skin problems are indicated by Venus/Saturn aspects and Saturn in Capricorn.
Looking at your chart, I see you have that lovely aspect Moon square Saturn.
That Saturn being in Libra would be considered an affliction let alone being squared by the Moon. So that is a likely candidate to explain skin problems.
Also Venus sitting on your Ascendant with a Square between it and Pluto could indicate skin disorders that are prominent physically, for everyone to see so to speak since the Face is ruled by the first house or the Ascendant.
The Moon is your highest in the sky planet giving it prominence which also indicate Skin Allergies.
This is partly my own opinion, but you having those Malefic planets, Saturn and Pluto, in the sign of Libra would seem to affect one's complexion and of your square your Venus/Pluto drives it all home.
As far as Keloids I read that Mars/ Jupiter aspects are involved, yours are conjuncted I don't know if that is a point to take up. I have these planets near perfect conjunction also, but I have nothing like keloids and no skin problems at all thankfully.
Acne may be indicated by your stressed Venus especially with Venus being on the Ascendant. Your stressed Venus/Pluto aspects.
Lastly, I found that one's complexion is ruled by aspects of Venus to their Ascendant so that is a significant one for you since your Venus is conjunct your Ascendant.
Hope I have informed you some.
Take care
Franklin

[alliewar]

Non astrological ..

If the acne condition is severed, rocaccutane can help greatly. I've seen great results from friends who are on it.

Everything is astrological, its good to know whats aspects cause what. I'm sure she knows the cure isnt astrology.

[autumnleaf]

Wow! I've wondered for a long time why I have had a severe problem with acne. Upper body seems to have suffered the worst damage from huge, painful boils during my teens (a very stressful time!).

I have Venus conjunct Ascendant, Scorpio, and opposing retrograde Saturn at the end of H6 in Taurus, also Venus squaring Mars, H3 in Aquarius. Obviously I'm an easily excitable person :o, so I'm thinking I should try yoga, tai chi, or meditation to heal and calm my inner spirit.

I was going to argue that I don't feel stressed, but when I'm honest with myself I can see I really am. I just don't see it because it has been such a natural habit/mode of attitude for me to be in for so long now. (Pisces Moon = rose colored glasses?) ;)

What a great find!!

Thanks peeps! :39:

[spacecadet]

This is just a very humble addition to the conversation because I know very little about medical astrology and am just starting out...I'm probably stating the obvious to you but I thought I'd put my 2pence in anyway seeing as it hasn't been mentioned previously.
For skin complaints I would have also thought to look at scorpio and all the other signs which relate to the excretory system due to the direct link between the skin and the digestive system. Problems of the skin are often related to stagnancy and putrefication in the gut so I would imagine that when your Jupiter and Mars energies are activated or repressed (passionate anger/emotion/competition etc), the initial effect will be to the bowels and then the secondary effect will be to the skin.
!

[autumnleaf]

:eek:

Gadz, that just sounds disgusting! So, what should one do in such a case? Meditation? Colonic flush?

:confused:

[spacecadet]

ha ha...its not that bad!! Just a big pile of ****! I would suggest water enemas. Colonics are high pressure which is a bit stressful on the delicate insides. I don't want to be prescriptive because it would ovbiously depend on the case but you can't go wrong with water enemas as a starting point. It might sound really really disgusting but they do work. The most amazing part is the emotional clarity you get after all that **** is removed...very scorpio!

[flea]

Skin is a big issue for me. I am emotional (cancer moon), excitable nervous, gem ascendent, and I have mars in cap. Sun merc and nept in 6th.

Adult acne, for me was solved by finding out which foods I was sensitive to. My face would flush hot when I ate something, which blocked the pores and hey presto. I cleared my diet of things wheat and diary, usual suspects. So it was a virgo issue...... clearin the insides of residual emotion.... tendencies to supress emotion, not beleiving it has a right to be. I also took up yoga and meditation. Clear face and my self esteem has improved heaps. The scars have healed incredibly too. Took about 5 years but results are really good. Hormone imbalance were not the cause in my case. I am so aware of what I put in my body. I did a kinesiology session to find out all the stuff I was sensitive too.

Then last six months eczema..... hadn't had it in 30 years!! Mars on my asc going back and forth last few months. Now it is conjunct jup just off my ascendent the skin is healing. The retrograde appeared to be involved with the flare ups. The heat coming out of my body felt like a huge purge. Fear of rejection came up a bit too. I took some TCM herbs which were good. Chinese talk about intestines and kidneys with skin as it is all relate to purifying the body, elimination systems.

Lately I have learnt we have had lots of east winds, which bring in pollens etc (west coast aust). This didn't make sense as external cause as why this year....then been digging about pesticides as that came up too. They use organo phosphates which have a nasty effect on humans but dont stay in the system long. So with lots of heat and not much rain here.... I am investigating. Aparently those things are related to the poisness gases developed for WW2 chemically.

I have been living simply with lots of quiet time and good food lots of water, for my body to adjust. SAFI has been good too.

Love Light Flea

[autumnleaf]

ha ha...its not that bad!! Just a big pile of ****! I would suggest water enemas. Colonics are high pressure which is a bit stressful on the delicate insides. I don't want to be prescriptive because it would ovbiously depend on the case but you can't go wrong with water enemas as a starting point. It might sound really really disgusting but they do work. The most amazing part is the emotional clarity you get after all that **** is removed...very scorpio!

:eek: Water enimas? Well....those don't sound like much fun either! :p I go to see my PCP (primary care phyz) tomorrow. Do I need to get a prescription from him. I can't recall ever seeing such a product in the stores. I've only seen the Fleet enimas and I don't believe those are the same thing, right?

I can't stop laughing at the thought of mental clarity after "blowing yer **** out"!! :rotflmao:

[autumnleaf]

Skin is a big issue for me. I am emotional (cancer moon), excitable nervous, gem ascendent, and I have mars in cap. Sun merc and nept in 6th.

Adult acne, for me was solved by finding out which foods I was sensitive to. My face would flush hot when I ate something, which blocked the pores and hey presto. I cleared my diet of things wheat and diary, usual suspects. So it was a virgo issue...... clearin the insides of residual emotion.... tendencies to supress emotion, not beleiving it has a right to be. I also took up yoga and meditation. Clear face and my self esteem has improved heaps. The scars have healed incredibly too. Took about 5 years but results are really good. Hormone imbalance were not the cause in my case. I am so aware of what I put in my body. I did a kinesiology session to find out all the stuff I was sensitive too.

Then last six months eczema..... hadn't had it in 30 years!! Mars on my asc going back and forth last few months. Now it is conjunct jup just off my ascendent the skin is healing. The retrograde appeared to be involved with the flare ups. The heat coming out of my body felt like a huge purge. Fear of rejection came up a bit too. I took some TCM herbs which were good. Chinese talk about intestines and kidneys with skin as it is all relate to purifying the body, elimination systems.

Lately I have learnt we have had lots of east winds, which bring in pollens etc (west coast aust). This didn't make sense as external cause as why this year....then been digging about pesticides as that came up too. They use organo phosphates which have a nasty effect on humans but dont stay in the system long. So with lots of heat and not much rain here.... I am investigating. Aparently those things are related to the poisness gases developed for WW2 chemically.

I have been living simply with lots of quiet time and good food lots of water, for my body to adjust. SAFI has been good too.

Love Light Flea

:cool: flea

I am going to ask my doctor about allergies tomorrow and see about getting some tests done. I just know I have an allergy to dairy. Of course I do! It's one of those foods I crave and can't seem to get enough of. If I have one glass of milk, the cravings get worse so I'll have another and another. Before I know it I've drank almost a gallon! It's not the same with cheese or yogurt or any other dairy, just milk.

I'm looking into a yoga class at my gym. I've heard all the great stuff about it over the years,but never as a medicinal tool for acne. I know about the herbs. I took them back in the 80's and they worked as long as I was taking them, but when you're still young you figure you'll eventually outgrow that stage. So, maybe I'll look into them again after I see what the Doc has to tell me tomorrow.
Will let you know if I find out anything interesting or new. ;)

[spacecadet]

As far as I am aware you wouldn't get it on prescription...not unless you were acutely constipated and would die from pooh oveload!
doe sthat mean you are going to try it?
If so, go online and look for an enema bucket (definately better than bags - cleaner). If you need further instruction pm me as you don't get much with the equipment. Cost around £13 and useable forever.
Happy de-cluttering!

[autumnleaf]

An enima bucket and bags??? Ew! I'll just use the toilet.

[flea]

sounds like too much hard work, I rather be gentle with my body.

Love Light Flea

[autumnleaf]

flea, anymore that's how I feel as well.

The doctor gave me a small jar sample of "Benza Clin". I've been using it twice a day for 3 days and some of the most stubborn ones are clearing up or gone!!

I'm still looking into starting yoga. I think it will improve my life greatly. Just a gut thing, ya know, since I've never tried yoga before. From all I've read about it I think the changes that will occur won't be anything I expect and will have farther reaching healing than I can imagine.
I have a re-newed passion to play my instruments again and the contentment I got from it surprised me. One just never knows where they will find peace and healing until they take chances and happen upon it.

[flea]

I like your approach, seems very sound to me. Also the healing you never know what it will touch, very true from my experience. I read something about art the other day... you neglect your art for a day it neglects you for two. Reminds me to make more of an effort to do something I love.

Skin is so much about being positive and doing good things for our body from my experiences. IT has taken time but well worth the changes, I dont think I deserve it anymore.........

Love Light Flea

[autumnleaf]

'I don't think I deserve it anymore......'

What the heck does that mean? Of course you still deserve it! In some ways, we owe it to ourselves to be as kind and loving to ourselves as possible.

[flea]

speaking my inner thoughts too loudly i think, just some stuff i have been working through deep work.

Flea

[autumnleaf]

Ah yes, the deep thoughts. They can really mess us up if we let them ;)

I learned a saying I will share with you:

"My mind is a dangerous neighborhood. I dare not go there alone!" :cool:

[Jeremy]

Going back to the original post, Pluto eliminates stress, it has an area of effect, and the 26th degree of Libra sensitises the vascular system of the skin; this is most likely linked to renal problems.

I'll look into this more if there's any interest, but it's uncanny how often Pluto 'breaks out' wherever it's found!

Peace, Jeremy

[Night Sky]

Physiological correspondences

Because Saturn is largely concerned with structure, it is the structures of our bodies that are ruled by him. These are the skin, teeth, bones and skeletal system, spine and joints. Afflictions to Saturn in the chart can result in bone problems such as osteoporosis, fractures and breaks. Chronic skin problems, back pain and arthritis are other main Saturn ailments. All long-term chronic diseases and symptoms are saturanian in nature, as blockages and obstructions. On a psychological level, the heavy oppressive nature of Saturn can lead to depression

Shining Ray

I can confirm this statement, Saturn in aspect to the AScendant, but also Mars and Neptune have some possible bearing in creating a condition or redness and. Saturn and the Ascendant is without question the primary significator for skin problems. But as for a cure, Saturn is chronic...

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

Just to share a few of my observations: I know of two people, one suffers from acute skin allergies, and the other from acne (though only at times aggravated). Both have tight Saturn squares to their Sun. Both are also people who suffer fear and frustrations (Saturn themes, plus limitations) and, since Saturn represents, besides structure and form, both limits and limitation, and rules the skin (skin being the outer most limit of the body), these internal limitations and frustrations might be, in a way, forced to surface. I hope I make sense there.
Of course, there are other health issues related to Saturn (like bones, teeth etc).

:)aquarius7000

[Nexus7]

For the last few months, I ave been experiencing some kind of ecsema on my fingers, though I have wondered if it is not some kind of fungal thing. I thought at first it was a reaction to a new face cream - no problems there, just the fingers and occasionally the palms. One of two digits are also getting stiff from messing around too much with mice and keyboards.

Tansit Pluto to Saturn, and transit Saturn to Pluto. There is a strong natal link with Mercury and Saturn, too. Never had anything like this before! Funnily enough, a lot of problems I had with my PC in the end turned out to be problems with the mouse,which has to be a pretty mercurial piece of equipment - strange how our computers become extensions of us. Maybe I should change my moniker to 'Lokusta' instead.

[Night Sky]

Hi,

Both have tight Saturn squares to their Sun. Both are also people who suffer fear and frustrations (Saturn themes, plus limitations) and, since Saturn represents, besides structure and form, both limits and limitation, and rules the skin (skin being the outer most limit of the body), these internal limitations and frustrations might be, in a way, forced to surface. I hope I make sense there.


:)aquarius7000

Yes I am in agreement here... but also can you see how the limitations and boundaries, the fear, frustration and sadness can be CAUSED by terrible skin, if people avoid looking or speaking because of that skin problem, it's like a wall is being built psychologically as a RESULT of the physical problem. Skin serves as a wall as a barrier in this case... very Saturnine.;)

[autumnleaf]

Yes I am in agreement here... but also can you see how the limitations and boundaries, the fear, frustration and sadness can be CAUSED by terrible skin, if people avoid looking or speaking because of that skin problem, it's like a wall is being built psychologically as a RESULT of the physical problem. Skin serves as a wall as a barrier in this case... very Saturnine.;)


I am being told by loved ones, especially lately, what a worry wart I am. I didn't believe it at first, but they are right. I had a really rough week last week and by the weekend I had several new zits to deal with, but these are "regular" looking zits. The ones I'm trying to rid my body of are huge, painful boils that burst on their own and leave gigantic "caves" in my skin and scars that never seem to fade or go away. My back looks more war-torn than the surface of the Moon. I've tried everything out there and still they won't go away.

So, yes, while stress and Saturn affect us I not sure they are the main causes. Though they certainly add fuel to the fire! I'm interested in that Pluto at 26 degrees Libra and how it affects the vascular system.

[Night Sky]

I think that perhaps you should book an appointment with a dermatologist, (skin specialist) They can really help you out, if you follow through with it and are patient. Obviously if you are scarred, thise scars will take along time to heal. That's my experience anyway.

[Plutonian Persona]

I have had either bad acne or general redness on my face since I was 11.

I have Aries on my 6th house cusp and my Leo Mars recieves a ton of aspects, mostly negative (squares from my Scorpio Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus) plus a sextile from my Libra Pluto and a trine from my Sagittarius Neptune.

I have scars/craters just like autumnleaf from having very large acne boils that would appear and disappear suddenly (Uranus). Plus, there's nothing like an angry Mars to upset Venus' beauty. The way that I got rid of the boils (but not the scars unfortunately enough) was to wash my face twice a day and then to use Vicco Turmeric Cream (with sandalwood oil) from India....it worked like magic for me at least.

[flea]

I have a wide saturn sun square as aquarius describes, and pluto is menacing a square to my sun/moon midpoint. That all ties in with the eczema I am dealing with. The fascinating thing is that it has worked its way up the body and is now at the top of my head. It feels like a cleasing of the subtle chakra system as well as the physical.

The skin is the last stage of toxins working out of the body according to Steiner and others. A reactive skin is attempting some deeper healing. I have been working with it, visualising the healing working its way through. The skin is coming back in the lower part of my body with no scarring. My old acne scarring has also been disappearing in the process.... and it was bad... now you cant tell. I am a big fan of homeopathics and energetic medicine like the bach flowers and shell essences, I am sure they have been effecting the path of healing.

Love Light Flea

[byjove]

Does anyone know any ways to mitigate these effects? I've been reading about ancient Greek astrological approaches to medical problems and always seems to be about balance.

I'm running on the idea that Saturn rules the skin. Saturn is cold and dry, am I right? So I would need the opposite to bring it into balance? Saturn rules my 7th and is the apex of a T square with my 1st ruler, the Moon and Venus. Dry skin generally only affects my face, so this involves Aries/Mars. The Sun (in Aries) and Saturn are in aspect, by trine. Anyone familiar with the Greek approach?

[Frisiangal]

Does anyone know any ways to mitigate these effects? I've been reading about ancient Greek astrological approaches to medical problems and always seems to be about balance.

I'm running on the idea that Saturn rules the skin. Saturn is cold and dry, am I right? So I would need the opposite to bring it into balance? Saturn rules my 7th and is the apex of a T square with my 1st ruler, the Moon and Venus. Dry skin generally only affects my face, so this involves Aries/Mars. The Sun (in Aries) and Saturn are in aspect, by trine. Anyone familiar with the Greek approach?

Hi,
I haven't studied Greek medicine as such, except if/unless its techniques have been passed down in medical astrology.

The T-square, could effect the skin. As ruler of Ascendant, one would expect Moon to produce a 'sweaty' type skin were it not for the fact that it is placed in Virgo, itself a dry Earth sign and commonly associated with dermatalogical problems. Venus is also associated with the skin through rulership of Libra. Saturn rules the outer skin....the limits of the physical body, also salt. Saturn is on the furthest degree of the 3, which suggests that Moon and Venus come up against, or feel restricted by its influence until one takes charge of one's own authority and is worth his salt. A person might not be so much thick or hard-skinned as tight-skinned. Self protection through encasement, perhaps?
Insufficient/too much salt in the body?

I was taught that T-squares find an outlet through the opposing sign of the apex planet. This brings in Gemini, associated with the fresh winds produced through air? It's interesting to note that Chiron in Gemini would turn the T-square into a mutable grand cross. In Holland we called the grand cross 'the sails of the windmill'. In this case mutability being a manner to acquire a nature of inner/outer flexibility and agility of movement, also in socially relating to another, (as well as Placidus house rulerships of planets involved!) that will get the sails moving as they should.The grand cross always includes all elements; a totality of temperament that will enable one 'to sail through life' in balance. :smile:.
Although wide in orb, I would also consider Mercury as part of the grand cross. Its sign rulerships would therefore be of particular significance in dealing with questions regarding finding and maintaining balance.

I don't know how much of this would be in accordance to the Greek approach. Yet it does remain a fact that harsh aspects are not easy to accomplish, are they?:wink:

[byjove]

Hi Frisiangal, thanks for your time! Yes that's true about the opposite of the apex, I didn't think of it in this case. I really am very new to the medical side of astrology so don't know how to make the best of this. Perhaps the Mars in Gemini could help somehow.

So the problem is dryness, (is Saturn cold?) Oddly enough, time spent in hotter countries cleared up my skin magnificently.

You might find this link interesting, it is a very deep site - there are many, many pages and that's what reminded me recently of the idea of applying the missing or opposing element to the equation.

http://www.greekmedicine.net/b_p/basic_principles_of_greek_medicine.html

Here is some of the elemental talk: http://www.greekmedicine.net/b_p/Four_basic_qualities.html

The Four Humours: http://www.greekmedicine.net/b_p/Four_Humors.html

The Four Temperaments: http://www.greekmedicine.net/b_p/Four_Temperaments.html

[Frisiangal]

Hi again,
Had you not provided the website link, I would have mentioined it myself.:smile:

Elemental significance plays its part when dealing with matters concerning health. You have a strong Water element that one would think could at least balance the heavy Fire influence that seems to override. Air to provide coolness is the weakest element and with Mars in Air and unaspected anyway it remains too warm to do any real good.
Hotter countries perhaps provide the humidity necessary to open the pores that allow the skin to breathe?

Transiting Saturn and Pluto are now making aspects that could see a transition and produce some fluidity of feeling that, in turn, will open the pores. Transit Jupiter, ruler Placidus 6th house, is still in its long retrograde and will affect the grand square from Gemini in a final pass in the new year.

I'd be interested to hear if you become aware of any change occuring:smile:.

[chris10]

I can't help you from an astrological point of view but a doctor friend of mine prescribed to my cousin some medication because she had acne. My cousin is 30 years old and has had acne since she was a teen. Her skin cleared after taking these pills for 2-3 months.
Go to a dermatologist first, and see if he thinks this medication is right for you to use.

I'll PM you the name of the medication and I'll send you a link I have found on these.
My niece, too, has tried them, worked for her too.
Visit a dermatologist first because I know that,
they may be effective but there are side effects.

Good luck
:smile:

[Kuntuzangmo]

Just some anecdotal advice...you might look into allergy (I think some mentioned already) and stress. Stress can bury symptoms deep into tissue and then come out at the most inopportune times.
Yoga, meditation etc...are good means to address stress.

[Frisiangal]

Just some anecdotal advice...you might look into allergy (I think some mentioned already) and stress. Stress can bury symptoms deep into tissue and then come out at the most inopportune times.
Yoga, meditation etc...are good means to address stress.

Spot on.
Moon in Virgo is a classic where allergies are concerned. The chart uses small orbs, so I missed the Moon square Uranus.
Question worth answering might be to what and whom is one allergic, and why?

Pisces, and Neptune (although retrograde???) under Capricorn discipline influences could certainly address yoga and meditation to relieve stress. Do you think the alignment could be considered effective in an environment around actual water in conjunction with, rather than opposed to any purely ritual (and/or) spiritualistic setting?

Aries at its best can rise above the animalistic nature within Man. Jupiter, ruler Placidus 6th, conjunct North node, perhaps ?

[Syriani]

This is not coming from not an astrological point of view, but I have acne,too. Always moderate to mild but definitely enough to psychologically affect me. It is a life lesson I think and to realize beautiful comes from the inside and not the outside. something I have been doing lately which seems to help me is drinking spearmint tea the first five days of the follicular cycle in your period, meaning the day it starts and then continue five days later. 2 to 3 cups a day. Do not go over because it can affect your cycle, but it can help blocks androgens. Also dilluted apple cider vinegar as a toner seems to work wonders. Foods, like sugar and carbs(especially bread) seems to trigger mine, as well as dairy. Tell yourself you are beautiful all the time. I still struggle with it but not as much. Sorry if this doesnt make much sense im trying to write fast!