Moon Venus Squares/ relating to money

[rk555]

I am trying to figure out my possible $$ luck after an astrologer on this site told me I will need to be careful about money issues.
So Venus rules money and I have the following aspect to Venus:
Moon Square Venus
Venus Square Jupiter
Venus Sextile Ascendant
Venus Sextile Mars

I was told the 2 squares mean I will have money problems. Does this mean I will always be lacking money, or working hard for money and not getting it? My 2nd house has moon, which I know means that I may have changes in finances and money is important to me for security.
The ruler of my 2nd house is in 9th house and that is saturn. So saturn is supposed to mean hard work, and delayed gratification. Should I interpret this as I have to work hard for the money I earn and it will take a long time?
Chart attached. Thanks!

[astrologer50]

In your chart Venus is Apex for T Square so if we break down the aspects. I always think this aspect is emotional stress from childhood connected to mother --

"Moon square or opposition Venus
Because these people value harmony, they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. There can be a distinct tendency to become friends (and lovers) with people too readily, simply because there is a strong need for approval and a hunger for receiving affection"
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonvenusaspects.html

"Something in your upbringing or experiences makes it hard for you to admit your feelings. This aspect doesn't make you reject companionship, but instead you form connections that are not desirable or for some reason not workable. It may be preferable for you to be independent for some time until you have learned to understand people and have an accurate sense of their motives. A high degree of emotionalism and sentimentality must be understood and overcome before entering into a binding commitment."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html#mosve

Now Saturn rules 2nd house and is placed in 9th, moon rules 8th house and is placed in 2nd now these two are 'trine' 120' aspect to each other suggesting easy flow of energies. If it were a square it could well have brought a few problems and financial hardships, but I don't see too many problems here.

Now Moon opp Jupiter aspect. It's great having Jupiter here (I have this to) and suggests you may well receive or inherit things before people pass away and is also good for whomever you share your finances cos it suggests a degree of 'luck' problem is with this opposition you can also go a bit OTT with spending it??

Moon opposition Jupiter
"The opposition between the moon and Jupiter shows a lack of appreciation of your actual worth. You may be a highly developed individual with much creative ability, and still question the importance of those abilities. You feel the need to be around people you highly respect, to have their reassurance of your talent, and their advice. You often place your faith in those who don't deserve it, and you can be too generous with these types. You attract money easily, but your judgment in spending it is sometimes not so sound"http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html#moojuYour moon is a singleton ie; only planet in earth which your chart lacks this energy of practicalities and groundedness...

Your chart ruler Jupiter placed in 8th suggests interests in live after death, occult
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse8.htm
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h8.html

Saturn square Asc will knock your confidence at times and Neptune square MC causes confusion and things dissolving.

T Saturn at moment is conj Venus which may well keep you short of money and feeling bit unloved even break a friendship or relationship, but what Saturn really does is to 'test what is of value' to you and what's working and what's not working. You may even find some friendships dissappear with this transit.

[rk555]

Hi astrologer50,

Thanks for all of your insights. That was very helpful. I was getting a little worried about my money situation. I will say, I did spend a lot of money in the past few years, buying things I didn't need, etc etc...but in the last 2 years I have gotten a lot better at saving money. Though I also don't have a job right now, so don't have a choice because I can't spend too much otherwise I won't be able to pay my rent!
Its been tough trying to look for a job in this economy.
As for relationships, it is true I have lost a friendship I had with my cousin, because she betrayed me. I also lost connection with my family because they are not happy with my choices in life. My fiance and I have major problems, and I don't know if the relationship will last because I have to make huge changes in my life and how I interact with him( I have major anger and jealousy issues).
Do you think things will get better after the saturn transit is gone? Is it possible for me to salvage this relationship considering all the current difficult transits, such as saturn conjunct venus? I am trying so hard to make the relationship work, but I don' t know if my effort alone will be enough, or if there is no hope because of the way the planets are aligned.
Thanks for your help!

[astrologer50]

Saturn is the Lord of Karma and master teacher, but really he's trying to teach us about ourselves. It wants us to be responsible, hard working, dutiful and learn our Lessons properly, so they won't have to keep being repeated. Therefore, is usually suggests things slowing down, delays, limitations and restrictions so we can learn these Lessons.

What Saturn does is 'test' what is of value to you and what is working in your life. It wants structure and hard work. If something isn't working--- it may well end--- so something better can be put in it's place.


Saturn conj venus is a major test or exam BUT ontop of this T Pluto is conj your Moon making everything intense. Is this jealousy thing just a recent thing, cos I would put that down to Pluto on moon?? Plus how sure are you of your TIME could you be born late Scorpio. That's the only thing I could see that would give you those traits --

4minutes in time = 1' which would be enough to change your Asc into Scorpio. May I suggest to research and reading into scorpio traits.

Using solar arcs SA Asc conj Neptune age 14 did anyone die, disappear of have any mysterious illnesses. If you were age 15 or 16 then you were born a bit earlier and have scorpio Asc Also Age 12 SA Saturn onto MC, did a parent become strict, aloof, distant?
Age 19 SA Uranus conj ASc, did you become rebellious independent, difficult, get any piercings, colour your hair brightly or change your appearance in some way???

[dhundhun]

I am trying to figure out my possible $$ luck after an astrologer on this site told me I will need to be careful about money issues.
So Venus rules money and I have the following aspect to Venus:
Moon Square Venus
Venus Square Jupiter
Venus Sextile Ascendant
Venus Sextile Mars

I was told the 2 squares mean I will have money problems. Does this mean I will always be lacking money, or working hard for money and not getting it? My 2nd house has moon, which I know means that I may have changes in finances and money is important to me for security.
The ruler of my 2nd house is in 9th house and that is saturn. So saturn is supposed to mean hard work, and delayed gratification. Should I interpret this as I have to work hard for the money I earn and it will take a long time?
Chart attached. Thanks!

This is question related to money so I needed cusp of 2nd/8th and Par Fortuna.

Any Astrologer, who told you to be careful about Money Matter was right. Par Fortuna is seriously afflicted in addition to Moon being detrimental and receiving affliction.

Post your horoscope with Placidus/Koch house system, Par fortuna and aspect lines. You may receive valuable feedback from many.

[rk555]

HI astrologer 50,

Well thats interesting you mention these things. When I was 4 years old(this would be 1980), my parents left me in India(where I was born) to come to America. This was probably the most painful time for me as a child, they were gone for 4 years, so from 1980-1984. I came to America(California) reunite with my parents at the age of 7, in 1984. I was an angry child, and yes from 1993-1996 was probably the most rebellious and cut my hair and didn't tell my parents and talked to older guys online(that was rebellion to them). First marriage was in 2001 in August, and ended in April 2003, husband was abusive and angry, I was also jealous with him. I've had a tough time in relationships since then. As scorpios have, I do have curly hair...but one trait of scorpio I don't have is keeping secrets and being private. I tell everyone about my personal life, I mean everyone...thats really why I thought I can not be a scorpio, no way!
Can you determine a more accurate time based on this data? My current relationship is with an older Norwegian man who lives in Hawaii. He is an aries, very nice, but this jealousy thing is way out of control and he wants out if I don't make changes fast. I do love him, but not sure if its worth the risk being with him, because if I dont change he will leave me for good.

[rk555]

HI Dhundhun,

Here is my chart in placidius. I was told equal house is better system to use.
Astrologer 50 said since my moon is opposite jupiter i should not have many money problems, but you are saying that I should be careful. Can you please explain further? Is the overall money luck bad? It is true I have been unable to find a job lately and am worried how long I can live without working.

Regards,
RK

[rk555]

Hi Astrologer50,

Also maybe this will help determining chart details, tomorrow I am going to Hawaii to visit my fiance because the place I am renting will be fumigated for termites and I have no place to stay right now, cause my dad really doesnt want to have anything to do with me, due to my instability in my life. Maybe you can see these transits in my chart. I will be in hawaii for 2 weeks. hopefully things will be ok!

[dhundhun]

HI Dhundhun,

Here is my chart in placidius. I was told equal house is better system to use.
Astrologer 50 said since my moon is opposite jupiter i should not have many money problems, but you are saying that I should be careful. Can you please explain further? Is the overall money luck bad? It is true I have been unable to find a job lately and am worried how long I can live without working.

Regards,
RK

I have seen your chart with respect to different house system and afflicted Par Fortuna is a concern. So my feedback was to put Par Fortuna in chart, put aspect lines also for Par Fortuna and post the chart for discussion. You need to get feedback on afflictions, Par Fortuna is receiving.

Par Fortuna is symbol of financial fortune and happiness and used in conjunction with 2nd, 8th house for financial matters.

Hope this helps.

[rk555]

hi dhundhun,

where can i get this type of chart showing par fortuna? can i get it on astrodienst website?

[dhundhun]

hi dhundhun,

where can i get this type of chart showing par fortuna? can i get it on astrodienst website?

I think, you are using same astrodienst www.astro.com

In free horoscope, go to "extended chart selection". In "Addition Objects", it is top in list. Select Par Fortuna as well as Chiron

Also, on right side, there is a check box for "aspect lines to all". Check that.

Good luck.

[rk555]

is this the chart you are referring to that shows all the aspect lines?

[astrologer50]

You should understand that there are lots of different types of astrologers at all different levels, some are Traditional some are modern (like myself) and we do use various house systems.

I stand by my earlier posts, POF is only ONE thing that needs interpreting, planets in house and their aspects to my mind take precedent. POF is well aspected to, the only square to uranus is in the 12th house -- a cadent and hidden house of weak position. Ruler of Uranus is Scorpio and Pluto has nice trine to POF

PLUS if your 'time' is not quite correct this will throw out anyone's interpretations of house cusp rulers. Although they do change a little with placidus cos you get intercepted signs and houses. With Equal house don't have this complication

[dhundhun]

is this the chart you are referring to that shows all the aspect lines?

That's right. Now you should be able to get feedback on Par Fortuna.

Basically friends, colleagues and siblings bring you good luck, money and happiness. But your ego, manners, etc. threaten them and leads you to changing friends and colleagues (new environment).

In chart, there is fine line balance between money and fortune - one side up, other side down and vice versa.

[rk555]

Is it possible to keep my ego in check so I don't sabotage myself when it comes to friends and relationships? Or is it not possible due to the placement of planets in my chart?
I do have a hard time keeping relationships. I am in a great relationship with my fiance, but due to my insecurity, jealousy, and anger, I am ruining it. I am in therapy to hopefully resolve these issues, but they are definetely affecting my whole life! Do you think I will be able to resolve these issues and have easier life, or will I always have problems with my anger/jealousy?

[dhundhun]

Is it possible to keep my ego in check so I don't sabotage myself when it comes to friends and relationships? Or is it not possible due to the placement of planets in my chart?
I do have a hard time keeping relationships. I am in a great relationship with my fiance, but due to my insecurity, jealousy, and anger, I am ruining it. I am in therapy to hopefully resolve these issues, but they are definetely affecting my whole life! Do you think I will be able to resolve these issues and have easier life, or will I always have problems with my anger/jealousy?

As I mentioned, there is a "fine line balance" causing win/lose or lose/win situations. You need to think, mature and evolve little bit to make it win/win.

Meditation, some self-discipline and some reading (self education) will make the difference.

Good luck.

[astrologer50]

just found a site for calculating this and many more Parts or Lots --

http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

"Some formulas listed here have both an AM and PM version. The PM version is a reverse of the AM version and when indicated, persons born in the daytime (Sun in 7th - 12th houses) should use the AM formula while persons born in the evening (Sun in 1st - 6th houses) should use the PM formula. Sometimes it's best to try both formulas."


"The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being."
http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm (http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm)

“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html)

[astrologer50]

Is it possible to keep my ego in check so I don't sabotage myself when it comes to friends and relationships? Or is it not possible due to the placement of planets in my chart?
I do have a hard time keeping relationships. I am in a great relationship with my fiance, but due to my insecurity, jealousy, and anger, I am ruining it. I am in therapy to hopefully resolve these issues, but they are definetely affecting my whole life! Do you think I will be able to resolve these issues and have easier life, or will I always have problems with my anger/jealousy?

Mars rules 5th (Aries) and mercury rules 7th Gemini, these two are in square aspect to each other and can suggest to forceful a speech and argumentative even. Once you know you have these tendencies you are half way there at resolving them. No one is going to do this for you, not even astrology. Make the adjustment, get some help --which I see you are doing -- so best of luck

[astrologer50]

HI astrologer 50,

Well thats interesting you mention these things. When I was 4 years old(this would be 1980), my parents left me in India(where I was born) to come to America. This was probably the most painful time for me as a child, they were gone for 4 years, so from 1980-1984. I came to America(California) reunite with my parents at the age of 7, in 1984. I was an angry child, and yes from 1993-1996 was probably the most rebellious and cut my hair and didn't tell my parents and talked to older guys online(that was rebellion to them). First marriage was in 2001 in August, and ended in April 2003, husband was abusive and angry, I was also jealous with him. I've had a tough time in relationships since then. As scorpios have, I do have curly hair...but one trait of scorpio I don't have is keeping secrets and being private. I tell everyone about my personal life, I mean everyone...thats really why I thought I can not be a scorpio, no way!
Can you determine a more accurate time based on this data? My current relationship is with an older Norwegian man who lives in Hawaii. He is an aries, very nice, but this jealousy thing is way out of control and he wants out if I don't make changes fast. I do love him, but not sure if its worth the risk being with him, because if I dont change he will leave me for good.

So play around with your 'time' and get 10' Saggi Asc and see what planet move house and what degree your MC gets to.

I have uploaded a new chart with progressions, solar arcs and transits. So you will 'see' now that Asc becomes 10' and solar arc Asc would conj Neptune age 4. Can you poss live with this new time?

Did anything disruptive happen age 29 now SA Uranus conj Asc at that age. What I suggest you do now is keep a close eye on transiting mars in Leo at the moment and will change soon to virgo thereby going over your MC (which will be felt and noticeable) and this will help rectify your chart and time. Do the same with transiting mercury, both of these over Asc and MC are great for fine tuning times --

here is an online ephemeris to help you track transits
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/may2010gmt.shtml

[rk555]

Thanks so much for all the information and your help. I will try this new time out and see what fits in this new time. At age 29, I think I was going through a painful breakup in which the other person dumped me without really giving any reason. It was a tough few months, but I got over it and moved on quite quickly. Another tough time was Sept 2008 when I got in a huge fight with my parents and stopped talking to them for a while. Things got better and last week, the same thing happened again. My dad doesn't ever want to see me again so thats quite painful. I've been going thru some heartbreak the past few weeks with family issues and my relationship being on the rocks. It doesn't look like it will get better until Saturn leaves my sign, which is going to take 2 years!

[rk555]

Hi Astrologer50,

With the mars in leo transiting to mars in virgo in June 6, what type of changes should I expect to see?

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Your natal chart doesn't show your part of fortune which can be indicative of our financial successes.

I've heard you then put the Part of fortune as your rising and can see your income potential that way as well. I would be looking at how your Venus sign relates to your part of fortune.

But as I tend to tell folks....I consider myself quite the novice astrologer and still learning.