Three's a crowd

[Shining Ray]

Full houses what do you do with all that energy in one house. I have three planets in my seventh house Relationships. My North Node is in the First House. I have to learn to focus more on myself.

Do full houses indicate your career, how much does your full house play a part in your life, good or bad.

What about the strong emphasis on the sign of that house as well how would you describe this element.

Shining Ray

(previously Miss Saturn)

[freedomlover]

MS. Ray ;)

I think that several planets in one house simply highlight a "major life lesson", or something along those lines. There's something you have to learn about handling that particular type of energy, and it is further highlighted by the house it's in.

I think that they may or may not indicate career, however, I think they almost always impact career. I believe "career" and "calling", are meant to be the same thing, although there may be more than one or branches off of one, as you progress through life. Anything else is just a job or a learning experience on the way to your calling, career, whathaveyou.

I have 3 planets in my first house, and 10 in my second (if you count asteroids, pof, and bml). In my own experience, this has been where my hardest lessons have come from.

I would be happy to take a stab at your stellium if I knew where to find your chart. I'll look for it, but I'm a newbie.;)

[Arian Maverick]

I would be happy to take a stab at your stellium if I knew where to find your chart. I'll look for it, but I'm a newbie.

Freedomlover, a collection of forum members' natal charts can be found in the thread Our "Astrology Weekly" Natal Charts (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1380) in the Natal Astrology Board (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7). However, I do not believe Shining Ray's natal chart is included here...

Arian Maverick

[Shining Ray]

Hi Freedomlover,

Thanks for the Ms Ray :)

I think you are right in what you say about the full house being a major life lesson to learn. In the 7th, most of my lessons are focused around my relationships. My problem is over focusing on my relationships. You do make a lot of sense.

Birth Date 27/02/1979
Birth Time 5.30pm
Place of Birth Liverpool, England

(although I was on the phone earlier, asking my mum to make sure my birth time was correct because the time felt like it had been rounded up. She now thinks it is 5.27pm. I don't think that small difference would change my chart too much)

Thank you.

Shining Ray

[freedomlover]

Ms. Ray,

I have been reviewing your chart, and also some of your previous threads. You mentioned in one that you were having problems "finding yourself" or "finding out who you are" type of thing....

As you all probably have noticed by now, I almost always approach the charts from a "childhood conditioning" point of view.

I see some patterns that could very definitely be interpreted as issues concerning perfectionism and too much responsibility. Also, someone with a "my way or the highway" attitude. Also, possible, a view of relationships that you formed by observing your parents.

I see this in your intercepted 1/7 houses and in your duplicated 3/9 houses.

Also, I notice your IC is conjunct Algol in Taurus. What was your parents relationship with money? Poor? Rich? Materialistic?

Also, you may very well have psychic empath abilities. Personal boundaries would be a problem here.

If you feel free discussing this openly, what was your childhood relationships to your parents like? And your parents' relationship to each other? At this point in my astrology chart reading development, I still need feedback to be specific. Once you start talking, I'll see things clearer.

Okay, lay it on me..... How far off or on am I? ;)

[Shining Ray]

Hi Freedomlover,

I think you have my birthtime as 5.30am instead of 5.30pm because my Taurus is not on the I.C it is on the M.C.

I will definately give you loads of feedback. I am not sure what to answer you on at the moment because you may be looking at a different chart. Well the planets are all in different places.

Shining Ray

[freedomlover]

Aaarrgh!!!!! I keep doing that!!!!!! I even gave sorehearted my birth time as pm, when it is am.

As to your chart???????? Never mind.:)

I guess that will make it "pretty far off", huh?



I'll redo..... (looks sheepish and walks off with head hanging.) winks.

[freedomlover]

Okay, let's try this again.:D

I've read alot of what others have said concerning your chart in previous posts along the way, and I pretty much agree with everything you've posted about it. I think you're on the right track concerning identifying your problems. It seems to me that you've got a pretty good grip on the idea of it, but maybe not the integration.

I noticed you have a double emphasis on Virgo in 1st and Pisces in 7th.
I see the issues within these houses as following:

(1) a need to develop your discernment as to what truly is somebody else's needs and what are your own (echoed by Pluto in Libra(r)- a need to keep a true balance in relationship - "love your neighbor as yourself not more than yourself").This will enable you to serve others out of empathy, not sympathy. I have had this same problem, and I've found that deep inside I was not truly loving those I had mis-served out of good intention because I also had resentment against them. This was because it was only good for them, not good for both of us (highest good for all.)

(2) I still think that you are probably an emotional empath, as am I. I'm still struggling with this. An empath absorbs others emotions like a sponge, and without the discernment of needs (boundary issues), one can "get lost" in another's emotions and it can cause much confusion - subconsciously thinking that they way they feel must be the way you feel, instead of realizing that you are actually feeling somebody else's emotions. (grand trine in water)

(3) I also see the Saturn in Virgo in the first opposing your Sun in the 7th, as an issue involving letting other people define who you are. Other people's defeatist attitudes/criticizing you is a major lesson to overcome. Virgo also rules "possession of self", and a big part of this is to learn that you are what YOU say you are, and you can do what YOU say you can do - NOT what others say about you in a deconstructive way.(The trick here is to keep yourself open for genuine constructive helpful criticism.) This is one way of asserting yourself - but it is done from within vs. an outward battling of people in opposition.

Also, seeing that YOU are not a victim (nobody is, we all have free will and can make alternate decisions) and neither is anyone else. That frees you from having to be the rescuer. (another important lesson I had to learn.;))

(4) I see the Neptune in Sag in the 4th as a conditioned pattern of letting other people's opinions dominate you and cause you to lose yourself. This needs to be transformed into faith - in yourself, your beliefs, and in the Universe (God - whatever your belief is....)Learning to listen to your intuition - gut feelings is important. For some reason, I also see this as connecting into the unaspected Chiron singleton in the 9th in Taurus. I see this as you needing to assert yourself and stand firm in what you believe.( Aries/Taurus)

(5) Venus in Capricorn in the 5th - I also see as a boundary/self'authority issue, and it is in the 5th, so this will give you confidence in yourself and add a sense of dignity to the way you see yourself. This is also fed by the issues of the 4th house (Sag rules 5th) The judgments of others causing you to be pessimistic(Cap trait). Again, those 4th house issues carry a lot of weight. I read one of your posts from earlier this year in which you told a lot about your younger life. What I said about the 4th house issues describes what you said pretty well.

(6) Two other areas that are possibilities to examine :
(a) Your attitiude towards material security
(b) Procrastination

(7) Wonderful potential for healing others on a grand scale when you come through all of this. :)



Okay, Ms. Ray, NOW lay it on me --- how far off or on am I? l)

[Shining Ray]

Hi Freedomlover,

You are right on the mark about everything. All of what you have said is true. Nicely put on the part about discernment about what are my own needs and what are somebody else's. I do feel this very much to be true I don't seem to be able to differentiate. Find it very hard to find what my actual needs are, I am worrying so much and trying to make everyone else happy. I don't really know what it is that I truly need. I also stayed with an abusive partner out of sympathy for him. Worrying how he would cope without me. This wasn't good for the both of us.

I have a big problem with absorbing emotions, I cannot think rationally at all when I am in this state. Even reading about people's problems here and if I look at their chart in depth. I feel I absorb too much and sometimes find it takes an hour or more to lose these feelings which are not even mine.

Criticism yes big issue for me. If I feel someone has criticised me I can be really hurt. My mum has only to say one thing negative and it takes me a long time to pick myself up again. For example if my mother comments I have put on a few pounds in weight. I will be deeply affected by this and will at first in front of her pretend it doesn't matter. As I leave the house though my eyes well up with tears and I just think about how imperfect I am. How I wish I could make her proud of me. I can have ten nice comments about me and one horrible thing that has been said, and I will forget all those nice things and just focus on what is imperfect about me. I can take genuine advice like from yourself I know there are people on this forum, who do offer advice from the heart. But I only seem to hear the negative.

I have played the victim in the past, but I do feel now I am overcoming it day by day. I do sometimes see life as hard when most of the time I seem to have easy.

I feel very lost at times and sometimes I feel I am finding my way, but end up feeling even more lost than I was before. I don't always stand firm in what I believe in even if I feel it to be right. I will back down and end up agreeing with the someone else. I don't feel accepted when I express my true self. So I will mould myself to whoever I am talking to which is a bit mad. I can act differently with different people.

My materialistic attitude, I wish I had more money mainly to have a really lovely home my sort of spiritual retreat as I see it away from the harsh world. I would say there is a materialistic side to me I have taken loans out. Not paid bills and spent the money on myself. All tied in with self worth again.

I am not an active sort of person, I do procrastinate. I have to develop a more go getting energy. Career wise I would love to help people. Not sure how though which is typical of me again. Counselling I have thought of but not sure I have the confidence for that sort of work so maybe more behind the scenes helping in a career for me.

Overall for your reading Freedomlover 10 out of 10. I can't find anything you are wrong about.

Shining Ray

[freedomlover]

Ms. Ray,

I think we were separated at birth! :D

Thank you for opening up and sharing. If it helps any, I think I truly do know how you feel. I have definitely walked in your shoes (and still have a pair of
'em that fits.LOL)

I have several ideas for you to try that may be of some help to you.

First of all, on the subject of being an emotional empath.... There is no doubt in my mind that you have this gift (although you may see it as a curse right now;))
Until you develop within yourself to keep from taking on others stuff, here are some practical things you may try:

(1) "See" yourself surrounded by a column of light (I have found white, purple, violet, or pink, or some combination of above to be especially helpful)
(2) Take salt baths every few days, and especially if you're recently been through an episode of absorbing other's negativity unintentionally. (Sea, epsom, or even table salt - about 4 good handfuls). Salt cleanses your aura, which is where you are picking up and storing the negativity. It is usually best to do a very brief shower to wash salt residue off of your body afterwards. Swimming in the ocean is good for this, as well.
(3)Since it is a boundary problem, some people find it helpful to repeat several times: "I am (insert your name)". This can help you "come back to yourself", as you've gotten enmeshed in someone's else's "stuff".
(4)Also, some people have found relief in saying ,"I do not wish to experience this right now."
(5)There ARE books written on this subject, although I've experienced that they are a little hard to find. Amazon may be helpful. There is one I know, but not the author, called "Are you really too sensitive?"

It sounds like the emotional empathic gift is really debilitating to you right now. I really believe some or all of these would give you some relief. I have had pretty good success myself with these suggestions. One day this same gift will help you in healing others. Jesus had this gift, I feel very sure.

Also, you have some codependency issues, (which you probably already know). I have a friend who swears by a "Codependency Anonymous" group in helping her find herself and have healthy relationship boundaries. If there was one where I live, I would go. It would be good for moral support, I think.

I hope this helps you out.

Peace

p.s. As an afterthought, I realized that the tips I gave you are definitely a Virgo No. Node and Saturn in the 1st type of thing. You keep saying you need to focus on the details. Part of the "focus" is to "be here now", which you have trouble doing always enmeshed on other people's stuff. These tips help you to be in the present, and in possession of yourself. They help you to come into focus. It's not the whole answer by a long shot, but maybe an important stepping stone. It helps you to have some boundaries, which is a Saturn in the first issue.

[Shining Ray]

Freedomlover,

Thanks for the advice. You have been really helpful and kind for taking the time to look at my chart.

Very much appreciated, nice to talk to another who has felt these emotions overwhelm them at times.

Shining Ray