Disorganized Order

[Shining Ray]

Disorganisation - Who is the most disorganized, what chart indications would there be in the Natal Chart. Who is the most organised and practical.

Have you got an tips for me. I need help. I have lots of Pisces in my chart and Neptune in the fourth house squaring my Moon/Mercury conjunction in Pisces. I think this adds to my disorganisation.

Although I have a Virgo Ascendant I do have order and perfection within me, I just need to use it positively. My North Node is in Virgo in the 1st House, I am learning to balance my Pisces/Virgo.

Shining Light

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Well thats good that you have a virgo asc and NN in 1st house!

Most practical/organised - earth signs I guess, literally least practical - air signs (me! :)); seriously, I am an ok cook but couldn't do practical chemistry to save my life but could get the theory down no problems. Aquarians - organised chaos. Thats me :)

Consistency - fixed, they have one regime and they stick to; but it might be a good or bad regime.

[freedomlover]

I have found Pisces and Aquarius friends to be the most disorganized, especially those with a heavy Pisces/Virgo emphasis in their charts. It seems to be a passive-aggressive thing. Cancers can be really bad as well, seem to have a tendency for hoarding. I read somewhere that Virgos often have this tendency as a subconscious defense-mechanism against over-perfection.

[23]

I have found Pisces and Aquarius friends to be the most disorganized, especially those with a heavy Pisces/Virgo emphasis in their charts. It seems to be a passive-aggressive thing. Cancers can be really bad as well, seem to have a tendency for hoarding. I read somewhere that Virgos often have this tendency as a subconscious defense-mechanism against over-perfection.

Cancer is like a typical female and females have evolutionarily hoarded, its the gatherer mentality. I have my MC on Cancer and I am a bit of a hoarder too.

And yes, people who are hoarders and who are highly disorganised can be overly-perfectionistic too. This has been proven psychologically. Anorexia also has that trait to it, a perfectionistic personality. So I think you are right there in your analysis Freedom. Otherwise, it depends on what type of disorder. For example, Aquarians are incredibly witty and adept of striking ideas that would have no connection in the minds of others but are able to put them together and find the connection - mental disorganised chaos.

Otherwise, maybe an afflicted saturn has something to do with it; as Saturn has to do with structure; this might relate to physical messiness.

[freedomlover]

Interesting!!!

I'll check out the Saturns in my friends' charts and see if they're afflicted.

Also, I have that trait you mentioned with Aquarians. I have an Aquarius moon, and I can tie stuff together in an instant that makes no sense to anyone else. I sometimes think I'm crazy or must be making it up. But it always makes too much sense to think that it means nothing. (?!) I also have a talent for working with symbols. I get them everywhere, even off of the most mundane things.

Thanks once again.... you're simply mahvelous, 23.

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Also, I have that trait you mentioned with Aquarians. I have an Aquarius moon, and I can tie stuff together in an instant that makes no sense to anyone else. I sometimes think I'm crazy or must be making it up. But it always makes too much sense to think that it means nothing. (?!) I also have a talent for working with symbols. I get them everywhere, even off of the most mundane things.

Again thats the Aquarian coming out in you :)
The ability to link ideas together that seem unrelated and the ability to categorise and classify things is also a very Aqu things. Aqu is about seeing how ideas relate, but I suppose also airy signs have that quality.

And no you are not crazy, I do the same as well :)

[Shining Ray]

Hi Freedom,

My Virgo boyfriend is a hoarder, maybe not a big hoarder but holds on to sentimental items from the past. He very much holds on to his childhood and often talks sentimentally of where he grew up as a child.

This possibly is linked to his Moon in 12th maybe. Or South Node in Cancer. Moon is also in Leo.

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

Just been thinking maybe because his SN Cancer. Moon/Leo in 12th he is a hoarder of emotional (Cancer) memories (Moon) of childhood (Leo). 12th house moon goes way back in to childhood with deeply rooted emotional problems. My partner never had the best childhood.

Maybe the SN Cancer has to control the excessive emotions relating to childhood. Lose self pity for childhood and learn independence. Letting go of the past is a major lesson he must learn, he has to learn to nurture both himself and others.

P.S I am quite proud of myself for working this out, I will give myself a pat on the back.:D

Shining Ray

[Shining Ray]

I guess with my disorganization there is a tug of war between Saturn in Virgo first and Sun Pisces 7th.

There is a heavy emphasis on both sides Sun, Moon, Mercury SN on one side in Pisces. Saturn and North Node on the other in Virgo.

Which creates my constant inner struggle with Disorganized (Pisces) Order (Virgo).

Shining Ray

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Cancer has to do with family and sentimentality, so I'd say its your boyfriend's SN that's making him like that.

[freedomlover]

Yep, "Cancer" was the first thing that came to me. I have a friend who sounds just like that, and he was a 12th house Cancer, with Cancer ASC, also Mercury in Cancer (12th house).He had a trunk of memorabilia that he could sentimentalize over for hours. (Is that a word, "sentimentalize";))

[Manic_Monday]

It's the only quality of Virgo I don't possess. I'm not organized, far from. I'm chaotic, messy, always late. I always forget things. I postpone everything to the last moment.
I do make lists. My teacher (Gemini) told me to. He is just as chaotic as I am, and he forgets everything too. He totally fits Gemini.
These lists help me to create some discipline and order in my life.
Funnily enough, I've got a first house Saturn. You'd think I'm very responsible and organised and dutifull. Not.
I blame my first house Neptune. It's the only Piscean thing in my chart. I don't have Aquarius either (except NN, but I believe everyone my age has that).

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Manic-
Any squares between points/planets and your virgoan elements in your chart?

[Manic_Monday]

I have Sun square Mars, and Mercury square AC.

[lilllybelle]

I'm a virgo rising and a close friend of mine has pisces rising. Her south node is in the 6th house. She is very very organised and cleanly. She stays on top of her ball. I don't do so well in comparison. Lilllybelle