Time and Age in the Horoscope

[Cosmiccradle]

In reaction to EJ53s' post I would like to open a thread over time/life in the horoscope. If I understand it correctly EJ is talking about the horoscope working like an age clock.

This brings to mind two atrologers, Huber and Mann.

Huber uses the AP (age point) starting a 0 for the Ascendant going around to the Ascendant to 72, if I remember correctly (it's been a long time) after 72 not that much happens what might be worth documenting.

That would also explain how our perception of how time changes at a older age. Huber also use critical areas, and the (IP) invert point, (LP) low point, between these points the age is calculated. He uses Koch houses.

Mann works from the 9th, conception to the Ascendant birth. From the Ascendant to the 5th childhood, and from the 5th to the 9th maturity. He uses a time scale that varies when moving through the horoscope. This means that from the:

from 1st to 2nd: Birth to 7 months
from 2nd to 3rd: 7 months to 1 yrs 8 months
from 3rd to 4th: 1 yrs 8 months to 3 yrs 6 months

and so on. The biological clock starts to speed up when we hit the 8th to the 9th which is 42 yrs to death. Mann use Placidius.

There are more, but I'd have to look through my books, these two I spent the most time on.

EA is taking the cusp of the 10th degree and the cusp of the 1st degree and creating a cuspal area in each whole sign house system, this led to EJ53 with the reaction below.

Originally Posted by EJ53 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/futura/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200907#post200907)
(Speaking as an interested Learner on this)...I can see that both the Ascendant and Midheaven degrees (11 and 20) are "powerpoints" in all twelve houses...

...but not why the range between those two degrees (11 to 20) might be the cusp of all twelve houses, as I can see no astrological/symbolic reason for that.

...For example...If the ascendant degree symbolises the point at which I enter the world and the midheaven symbolises (say) the impact I shall have on the world, might the range between their respective degrees symbolise (say) my striving for maturity?...

...[What I'm asking EA/anyone is "what might that degree range symbolise astrologically?"]

EJ:)

[Cosmiccradle]

My apologies Eugene, I wasn't aware that you had already posted this subject matter.

[Cosmiccradle]

My own view CC is that the Huber's theory does work, and that EA's might also do so.

EJ



Whatever tactic or method used, progressions/directions, synastry/combine, midpoints/antiscions, prenatal/navamsja, life*time/lifeclock, there will be one constant that remains, and that is in astrology we have yet to find whatever we use that one dinominator fits all.

In many of the things I use in astrology and charts the downfall of astrology is that we are more often then not faced with having to bend the rules to make it fit, because it seems to fit for one yet not the other.

However having said that, as I have already stated there is too much that one comes across during the learning process to chuck astrology, and the search that is paramount in all of us (at least me) undoubtedly is to seek out what works for all and why, or why it doesn't work for all.

Huber and Mann are examples, that stimulates our thinking and searching to seek out that single dominator.

If I had in any way considered astrology questionable, I would have never been able to work through 20 years of it.

I placed the thread, because of the other thread, and moreso because I believe the chart itself is indeed a clock, that can be divided into segments of life. Whatever method is used, or yet to come is something I will not judge.