Cusps

[eternalautumn]

So, I have read that some people speculate that in ancient times, the cusps were not the boundaries of a house but a "power point" within the house itself. I have an interesting hypothesis: What if we take the Ascendant and Midheaven degree and duplicate them in every house of a whole sign chart? Creating a variable "mini-house/cusp" of intense power... My Ascendant is at 11 degrees and my Midheaven is 20. I would take the 11th to 20th degree of each house in whole sign and make it the "cusp", and look for any planets, nodes, or fixed stars positioned in that area... It sounds very cool to me, and who knows, it could have been used by the ancients. If anyone's interested, would you take a look at a few charts and try to determine whether any planets fall within this "cusp" and if they are more prominent in the chart? Of course still regarding angularity... I suppose any planets in angular houses in these cusps would be "super-charged"... I am going to do the same later on... Thanks. :smile:

[Cosmiccradle]

So, I have read that some people speculate that in ancient times, the cusps were not the boundaries of a house but a "power point" within the house itself. I have an interesting hypothesis: What if we take the Ascendant and Midheaven degree and duplicate them in every house of a whole sign chart? Creating a variable "mini-house/cusp" of intense power... My Ascendant is at 11 degrees and my Midheaven is 20. I would take the 11th to 20th degree of each house in whole sign and make it the "cusp", and look for any planets, nodes, or fixed stars positioned in that area... It sounds very cool to me, and who knows, it could have been used by the ancients. If anyone's interested, would you take a look at a few charts and try to determine whether any planets fall within this "cusp" and if they are more prominent in the chart? Of course still regarding angularity... I suppose any planets in angular houses in these cusps would be "super-charged"... I am going to do the same later on... Thanks. :smile:

If the cusps were the "power point" within the house, what made up the bounderies of that house?

[freedomlover]

So, I have read that some people speculate that in ancient times, the cusps were not the boundaries of a house but a "power point" within the house itself. I have an interesting hypothesis: What if we take the Ascendant and Midheaven degree and duplicate them in every house of a whole sign chart? Creating a variable "mini-house/cusp" of intense power... My Ascendant is at 11 degrees and my Midheaven is 20. I would take the 11th to 20th degree of each house in whole sign and make it the "cusp", and look for any planets, nodes, or fixed stars positioned in that area... It sounds very cool to me, and who knows, it could have been used by the ancients. If anyone's interested, would you take a look at a few charts and try to determine whether any planets fall within this "cusp" and if they are more prominent in the chart? Of course still regarding angularity... I suppose any planets in angular houses in these cusps would be "super-charged"... I am going to do the same later on... Thanks. :smile:

EA,

Early on in my astrological studies, I ran across articles from several respected astrologers on something similar to what you are saying. The articles referred to that any time there is an angle or planet at a particular degree, that anytime any other planet or angle gets to that degree in any other sign in the chart, then it will be activated. I've experimented with this for quite some time now, and found it to be true.

So, bearing this in mind, anytime a transiting planet, (maybe progressed planet or angle, too - haven't tried this yet) hits these spots in your chart, they will be activated. So, when any transiting planet gets to the 11th degree of any sign in your chart, your Ascendant will be activated. (and Descendant) Any time any transiting planet gets to the 20th degree of any sign in your chart, your MC will be activated. (IC, as well. )

Does this make sense to you?

[starlink]

Does this make sense to you?

Well, same degrees make for exact aspects, so if the MC is at 20° Aries, then a planet crossing over 20° Taurus would make a semi-sextile to the MC, at 20° Gemini it would make a sextile, at 20° Cancer it would square the MC etc. etc.
Same for the Ascendant degree. So yes, this makes sense to me.

[freedomlover]

Well, same degrees make for exact aspects, so if the MC is at 20° Aries, then a planet crossing over 20° Taurus would make a semi-sextile to the MC, at 20° Gemini it would make a sextile, at 20° Cancer it would square the MC etc. etc.
Same for the Ascendant degree. So yes, this makes sense to me.

Yes, that's what I thought - pretty elementary. Some people will argue that the semi-sextiles and inconjuncts created aren't valid though. :sideways:

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

If the cusps were the "power point" within the house, what made up the bounderies of that house?

It's used in the Whole Sign house system. Let's say the Sign Aquarius is the first house, and the Ascendant would be 15 Aquarius. So the "cusp" of that house is 15 Aquarius and planets conjoined to it or aspecting it are more prominient in that house. Now copy and paste that idea to the second house which would be Pisces and the third house that would be Aries and so on.

[eternalautumn]

CC: In whole sign houses, this isn't an issue. When a sign is over, a house is over. The boundaries of a house are 0 and 29 degrees of a sign.

Freedom: Totally makes sense. But I am one who doesn't consider semi-sextiles and inconjuncts. :smile: Either way, thats just more aspects. I'm trying to focus on these power areas. The problem I noticed with my chart so far is that most of my planets are in these areas (Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Nodes). I just got home so haven't been able to look at any other charts, but I'm going to assume that it's fairly common... Which maybe means the planets not in these areas are more negatively affected? I'm not sure, this was just a little idea that popped in my head after being awake for 36 hours. Haha. Thank you all for you contributions so far, though. :smile: I'm sure after I get some sleep tonight I'll be able to pull more out of this...

[freedomlover]

It's used in the Whole Sign house system. Let's say the Sign Aquarius is the first house, and the Ascendant would be 15 Aquarius. So the "cusp" of that house is 15 Aquarius and planets conjoined to it or aspecting it are more prominient in that house. Now copy and paste that idea to the second house which would be Pisces and the third house that would be Aries and so on.


So, it's basically what I read in the astrologer's articles? They may have been using whole sign houses - don't know. I remember that they said that eclipses would affect that degree in every house, for example.

[waybread]

Using the ascendant degree as the cusp of each subsequent house is basically the equal house method. The whole sign method would start at 0 degrees of each sign, with the angles [AS, MC] located further back within the house.

I am not familiar with a system using the MC in this fashion, but it would probably be worth a try. My MC and AC are only one degree different [i. e., at right angles] so I probably wouldn't see anything too unusual in my chart but sometimes these are skewed quite a bit.

Some astrologers see house cusps as sharp breaks between houses, but others see them as a more fluid transition occuring over several degrees.

[dr. farr]

In whole sign, the borders of the houses are always 0degrees00 minutes; that is, there are no border degrees; the term, "sensitive point", or "sensitive degree", refers to the "activated" degree of each house, as a projection directly from the horoskopic degree (there is a discussion of this matter on Skyscript, under the thread "Cusps").
In whole sign, the horoskopic degree projects the sensitive points of each and every other house>if the ascedant degree is 10 degrees, the sensitive point of the second house is 10 degrees (of the next sign), the sensitive degree of the third house is 10 degrees (of the following sign), round and round until the 12th house, where the sensitive degree is 10 degrees of the final sign (before returning to the ascendant sign), thus the chart-set-up regarding ascendant-sensitive point of each house, is like projections of the horoskopic degree into each subsequent house/sign. However-unlike the Equal House system-the sensitive point is not the "border" (beginning of) any house: the beginning of every house always = 0 degrees of the sign, and, regardless of where in the sign the sensitive degree is, continues through 29degrees29minute59seconds of that sign, after which a new house/sign follows:
Example: ascendant = 10 degrees Aries:
-question 1: where does the second house begin?
-question 2: what is the sensitive degree of the sign in the second house?
Answer to question 1: the second house begins at 0Tarus00 (and the second house ends at 29Taurus29:59)
Answer to question 2: the sensitive degree of the second house = 10 degrees Taurus

The MC and IC degree will NOT necessarily be the sensitive degree of the 10th (and 4th) house; the MC might be in the 9th house, or in the 11th house, just as well as in the 10th house: in whole sign, when this happens, the MC (and IC) are considered as additional power points, to the horoskopic degree and the sensitive degrees of each of the other 11 houses.

Remember, in whole sign, there are no degrees designating the borders of houses, and so, as we usually regard the meaning of the word "cusp" (=border of a house) there are no "cusps".


The Greek historical record demonstrates that this method of was exclusively applied in chart construction (we don't know what Ptolemy did in this regard, however the pre-Ptolemy Manilius, as well as Valens, Maternus, Paulus Alexandrianus, Olympiodorus and other pre-6th century Greek astrologers exclusively applied this whole sign) Beginnings of a quadrant chart system were hinted at as early as the time of Firmicus Maternus-called the Porphyry system-but did not come into even moderate use until the time of Rhetorius (8th century) Whole Sign was also (historically documented) the first system applied in Vedic astrology (later to be mostly supplanted by Equal House) By the 8th century, Whole Sign disappeared from Western astrological methodology, supplanted by quadrant house systems (particularly by the Alchabitius system, followed many centuries later by Placidus and , later still, Regiomantus)

[starlink]

Some people will argue that the semi-sextiles and inconjuncts created aren't valid though. :sideways:
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Semi-sextiles can be very powerful indeed when exact. Anthony Louis even pays attention to them in horary astrology! He also looks at inconjuncts and I must say, it always seems to work and in natal astrology ever so much. I use them always and pay extra attention to them when another, 3rd planets forms a sextile with one of the planets in the inconjunct, forming a YOD and YODS are very much looked at these days.

[Cosmiccradle]

CC: In whole sign houses, this isn't an issue. When a sign is over, a house is over. The boundaries of a house are 0 and 29 degrees of a sign.

Freedom: Totally makes sense. But I am one who doesn't consider semi-sextiles and inconjuncts. :smile: Either way, thats just more aspects. I'm trying to focus on these power areas. The problem I noticed with my chart so far is that most of my planets are in these areas (Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Nodes). I just got home so haven't been able to look at any other charts, but I'm going to assume that it's fairly common... Which maybe means the planets not in these areas are more negatively affected? I'm not sure, this was just a little idea that popped in my head after being awake for 36 hours. Haha. Thank you all for you contributions so far, though. :smile: I'm sure after I get some sleep tonight I'll be able to pull more out of this...

Perhaps this comes over as a little thick headed, but please bear with me. Whole sign means from 0 to 30 degrees, whereby I would be made to understand the Placidian overlaps the exsisting wholse sign house system, the falling point on the placidius house Asc/MC becomes the sensitive point in the whole house system? Is that correct? Are we talking about overlapping house usage?

[Cosmiccradle]

In whole sign, the borders of the houses are always 0degrees00 minutes; that is, there are no border degrees; the term, "sensitive point", or "sensitive degree", refers to the "activated" degree of each house, as a projection directly from the horoskopic degree (there is a discussion of this matter on Skyscript, under the thread "Cusps").
In whole sign, the horoskopic degree projects the sensitive points of each and every other house>if the ascedant degree is 10 degrees, the sensitive point of the second house is 10 degrees (of the next sign), the sensitive degree of the third house is 10 degrees (of the following sign), round and round until the 12th house, where the sensitive degree is 10 degrees of the final sign (before returning to the ascendant sign), thus the chart-set-up regarding ascendant-sensitive point of each house, is like projections of the horoskopic degree into each subsequent house/sign. However-unlike the Equal House system-the sensitive point is not the "border" (beginning of) any house: the beginning of every house always = 0 degrees of the sign, and, regardless of where in the sign the sensitive degree is, continues through 29degrees29minute59seconds of that sign, after which a new house/sign follows:
Example: ascendant = 10 degrees Aries:
-question 1: where does the second house begin?
-question 2: what is the sensitive degree of the sign in the second house?
Answer to question 1: the second house begins at 0Tarus00 (and the second house ends at 29Taurus29:59)
Answer to question 2: the sensitive degree of the second house = 10 degrees Taurus

The MC and IC degree will NOT necessarily be the sensitive degree of the 10th (and 4th) house; the MC might be in the 9th house, or in the 11th house, just as well as in the 10th house: in whole sign, when this happens, the MC (and IC) are considered as additional power points, to the horoskopic degree and the sensitive degrees of each of the other 11 houses.

Remember, in whole sign, there are no degrees designating the borders of houses, and so, as we usually regard the meaning of the word "cusp" (=border of a house) there are no "cusps".


The Greek historical record demonstrates that this method of was exclusively applied in chart construction (we don't know what Ptolemy did in this regard, however the pre-Ptolemy Manilius, as well as Valens, Maternus, Paulus Alexandrianus, Olympiodorus and other pre-6th century Greek astrologers exclusively applied this whole sign) Beginnings of a quadrant chart system were hinted at as early as the time of Firmicus Maternus-called the Porphyry system-but did not come into even moderate use until the time of Rhetorius (8th century) Whole Sign was also (historically documented) the first system applied in Vedic astrology (later to be mostly supplanted by Equal House) By the 8th century, Whole Sign disappeared from Western astrological methodology, supplanted by quadrant house systems (particularly by the Alchabitius system, followed many centuries later by Placidus and , later still, Regiomantus)

Always read the whole thread, so we are talking about overlapping house usage. Whole sign, and Placidian Asc. en M.C. as sensitive points within each sign.

[eternalautumn]

dr. farr: Thank you for that breakdown. I'm glad to know I was correct in my memory.

EJ: That's a very very good point. Lol. I haven't decided yet. Maybe I could relate it to the Vedic idea that planetes in the first 5 degrees are "newborn", the last 5 are "senile"... Maybe planets in the degrees between these two points could be considered "in their prime"... I'll have to think about it more...

CC: Yes. Although it doesn't have to be Placidus. I use Regiomontanus normally, but I was thinking for this experiment maybe using Porphyry...

Then I was thinking about overlaying ALL the cusps of a a quadrant system onto whole sign... Obviously the angles will all be the same, but the rest would all be new points. I would still be overlaying the angles onto whole sign too, and the ASC and MC in every house, so now maybe these cusps would fall in between the "power area", and make it ever more powerful... I hope this makes sense, haha.

Another thing I think about is how since anciently the cusps were inside the house, there wasn't as much distinction between the houses, they just kind of flowed more... This could go along with that idea. Also we could overlap the angularity too, to get a more precise measurement of a planet's ability to act... Say in whole sign a planet falls in the 2nd in Taurus, and in Regio the cusp of the second is right in the middle of Taurus. This tells us that the first half of Taurus is stronger than the second half, because in quadrant the second half would be the first half of the cadent 3rd... Repeat that throughout the chart... Now with the ASC and MC degrees, this could show an ideal place for the planets to fall in each house, or maybe even just near those points, and the quadrant cusp, because as EJ reminded me there doesn't seem to any astrological reason for the space between these two to be considered...

[Cosmiccradle]

[QUOTE=eternalautumn;200978]
CC: Yes. Although it doesn't have to be Placidus. I use Regiomontanus normally, but I was thinking for this experiment maybe using Porphyry...
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What extra weight or meaning can be deduced from an overlaying house cusp (whatever the house system) on a whole sign house system? It is obvious by the reactions that it is of some importance or that there are those that think so, however I fail to see a 10 degree asc. repeated in each house of a whole sign house system as having any value, midpoints, antiscia, parts, but a house system over a house system seems to me like searching for the sake of looking. No disrespect meant.

[eternalautumn]

Well, as far as the Ascendant goes, I think in ancient times it was so important because any planets on it automatically formed a partile aspect with the ascendant... But yes, right now, I guess I am searching for the sake of looking. No disrespect taken. :smile:

[Cosmiccradle]

Well, as far as the Ascendant goes, I think in ancient times it was so important because any planets on it automatically formed a partile aspect with the ascendant... But yes, right now, I guess I am searching for the sake of looking. No disrespect taken. :smile:

It goes to reason that contact with the Asc. is important, if one uses one house system the contact with the Asc. is limited to a dregree, giving more value to that contact in time and space. If every house has that Asc. point, can you imagen the amount of contacts that are made, how then can one consider it special?

[Cosmiccradle]

But wasn't Columbus searching for the sake of looking when he discovered America, CC?:)

EJ

Touché, but we have already discovered so many "Americas", and we have yet to fully uncover them! We'll lose ourselves in the forest if we're not careful.

[eternalautumn]

CC: Because they all go back to the main Ascendant. Yes, they are powerful points, but I think we can consider them "ruled" by the Ascendant. With the MC, that is just my own theory, but it would be the same; the MC would "control" the "minor MCs".

I love getting lost in forests. :smile: But you're right, there are so many other things that we/I have yet to fully understand, however, when I get little ideas like this, I like to play with them, think them out, rather than just toss them aside as frivolous, because you never know where an idea will lead you.

[Cosmiccradle]

CC: Because they all go back to the main Ascendant. Yes, they are powerful points, but I think we can consider them "ruled" by the Ascendant. With the MC, that is just my own theory, but it would be the same; the MC would "control" the "minor MCs".

I love getting lost in forests. :smile: But you're right, there are so many other things that we/I have yet to fully understand, however, when I get little ideas like this, I like to play with them, think them out, rather than just toss them aside as frivolous, because you never know where an idea will lead you.

Each to his own eternalautumn, with all respect. I admire all thoughts and ideas if it comes from true astrologers. Those that have proven their worth through hours, and years of study and research. Their search or opinion is as valid as the next. However sometimes I wonder when astrology and astrologers will make a clean sweep of it and renew itself to fit our times. We keep reinventing the wheel.

[freedomlover]

(Speaking as an interested Learner on this)...I can see that both the Ascendant and Midheaven degrees (11 and 20) are "powerpoints" in all twelve houses...

...but not why the range between those two degrees (11 to 20) might be the cusp of all twelve houses, as I can see no astrological/symbolic reason for that.

...For example...If the ascendant degree symbolises the point at which I enter the world and the midheaven symbolises (say) the impact I shall have on the world, might the range between their respective degrees symbolise (say) my striving for maturity?...

...[What I'm asking EA/anyone is "what might that degree range symbolise astrologically?"]

EJ:)

EJ, before I read what you thought it might mean, that was what entered my mind, as well. :smile: Yes, I do think the degrees between the mid-heaven may possibly indicate one's "striving to find one's place in this world", so to speak. It might be worth a little further investigating to see if this bears out in practice. But that's a topic for another thread......:sideways:

[Cosmiccradle]

(Speaking as an interested Learner on this)...I can see that both the Ascendant and Midheaven degrees (11 and 20) are "powerpoints" in all twelve houses...

...but not why the range between those two degrees (11 to 20) might be the cusp of all twelve houses, as I can see no astrological/symbolic reason for that.

...For example...If the ascendant degree symbolises the point at which I enter the world and the midheaven symbolises (say) the impact I shall have on the world, might the range between their respective degrees symbolise (say) my striving for maturity?...

...[What I'm asking EA/anyone is "what might that degree range symbolise astrologically?"]

EJ:)

As I see it, and than I mean it's use, I can only assume we're talking about some depth in the middle of these points. That is to say, the whole sign from 0 to 30 whereby between 11 and 20 of that sign one might sense some type of extra strength, something like Gaugelins' house placing. But don't hold me to it, it's just an educated guess. A cusp that is 9 degrees thick between two degrees/cusps is something I can't phathom, unless we start calling it areas.

But I'll lay down my cards for all to see, I'm having trouble comprehending the thread and subject.

[freedomlover]

As I see it, and than I mean it's use, I can only assume we're talking about some depth in the middle of these points. That is to say, the whole sign from 0 to 30 whereby between 11 and 20 of that sign one might sense some type of extra strength, something like Gaugelins' house placing. But don't hold me to it, it's just an educated guess. A cusp that is 9 degrees thick between two degrees/cusps is something I can't phathom, unless we start calling it areas.

But I'll lay down my cards for all to see, I'm having trouble comprehending the thread and subject.


For clarification, regarding the statement I highlighted.... I would definitely start calling it "an area". :sideways: I don't think there is any way you could use fit that definition under the term "cusp".

[eternalautumn]

I'm sorry, CC. Lol. Here is what I mean:

ASC and MC degree repeated through each sign are "cusps"="power points".
Between those degrees are "power areas".

I still want to maintain the 5 degree rule, planets must be within 5 of a "cusp" to be contacting it, but then I also want to add in quadrant cusps for the succedent and cadent houses, which would now give us 3 points in those houses. For those houses, I want to say that just the points themselves are important, not the "areas", and I want to give them only 1 degree, because they are not as powerful as the actual angles.

I have to run for now, I can explain better if needed later!

[Cosmiccradle]

For clarification, regarding the statement I highlighted.... I would definitely start calling it "an area". :sideways: I don't think there is any way you could use fit that definition under the term "cusp".
The Asc. and M.C. are being used, two cusps, to create an area how about cuspal area.:confused: In reaction to your maturity possibility to what age would you connect between the first and tenth and how would you complete that pattern of thought from the tenth to the first?

[freedomlover]

The Asc. and M.C. are being used, two cusps, to create an area how about cuspal area.:confused: In reaction to your maturity possibility to what age would you connect between the first and tenth and how would you complete that pattern of thought from the tenth to the first?


"Cuspal area" might be a good term for it, yes, CC! LOL I really haven't thought it out past what EJ proposed. I'm just willing to consider that there might be an unexplored meaning in this "cuspal area". Like I said, maybe EJ should start another thread to discuss these possibilities - don't want to derail EA's topic here. :sideways:

[Cosmiccradle]

I'm sorry, CC. Lol. Here is what I mean:

ASC and MC degree repeated through each sign are "cusps"="power points".
Between those degrees are "power areas".

I still want to maintain the 5 degree rule, planets must be within 5 of a "cusp" to be contacting it, but then I also want to add in quadrant cusps for the succedent and cadent houses, which would now give us 3 points in those houses. For those houses, I want to say that just the points themselves are important, not the "areas", and I want to give them only 1 degree, because they are not as powerful as the actual angles.

I have to run for now, I can explain better if needed later!

Oh I got it :happy:, and I'll run with it. But like I said to Freedomlover, it sounds alot like Gaugelin.

[Cosmiccradle]

"Cuspal area" might be a good term for it, yes, CC! LOL I really haven't thought it out past what EJ proposed. I'm just willing to consider that there might be an unexplored meaning in this "cuspal area". Like I said, maybe EJ should start another thread to discuss these possibilities - don't want to derail EA's topic here. :sideways:

Oh Lord no, no derailing. I'll stick to it, but you know as well as I do, this is going to lead to alot of different thoughts and in turn subject matter will turn tenfold. For instance the cuspal area fits well in the whole sign system, what will happen to it if you use it over another house system? But let's stick to EA.

[Cosmiccradle]

Interestingly, CC...My wife and I got lost in a forest here in the UK only last weekend, whilst on a day out with our son and his family......and, in the course of finding our way back out, we came across an enormous field of early-flowering bluebells...

...It was an overwhelmingly beautiful discovery, that we would never have made if we had followed the well-trodden path taken by others before us.

EJ:sideways:
True, I'll follow you on that thought. The thing is astrology is a complicated thing, not as simple as nature. One question can raise a multitude, of other problems and questions. Sometimes it is best to follow the path and from there look around.

Bluebells, yes that would be a sight for sore eyes, I'm partial to forget-me-nots.

[eternalautumn]

Cuspal area. I like it. :smile:

The maturity thing doesn't quite fit, even though I like it, because traditionally the area from Ascendant to Midheaven was considered the first half of life, from birth to the prime. 12th, 11th, and then, at the top, the 10th. So, maybe planets conjunct the pseudo-Ascendant could be considered "infantile", those in between the two "growing", and those conjunct the pseudo-Midheaven could be "mature"... This also sounds a lot like Jyotish from what I've read... Hmmm...

Don't worry about derailing this, people. I love creative flows between people, so I'd like to keep this an "open" thread. Hopefully the mods will respect my wishes in this regard. Feel free to run with this idea as much as you want... I value everyone's contributions in helping me learn and investigate new ideas.

I don't think this would work on another quadrant system because it's already a combination of whole sign and quadrant houses. Throwing another into the mix, I guess you could, but ... that would be a little crazy. :smile:

I definitely believe in following traditional ideas... But, I also see the value in exploring things for yourself. I am still in the learning stages of "my astrological system", I want to explore as much as possible to see what makes sense to me and what doesn't. Discovering new ideas along the way isn't a bad thing, for me at least. I'm not afraid to question things. I use what makes sense to me and what works, for the most part. But I really enjoy these little tangents because it gives me a chance to think outside the "astrology box" somewhat. Thank you all for contributing so far, and I hope you'll continue to offer ideas about this.

[eternalautumn]

Also, I honestly have no idea about the Gauquelin stuff except that I know some people possibly named Gauquelin did some research about the strengths of planets in certain types of people... I really have been afraid to ask anyone about it for fear of sounding ignorant, but I suppose I will research it today... Haha. :smile:

[07.Re]

but I suppose I will research it today... Haha. :smile:

EA, you do know that we are going to ask you to do a written test on this now ... don't you? :tongue:

[Cosmiccradle]

Also, I honestly have no idea about the Gauquelin stuff except that I know some people possibly named Gauquelin did some research about the strengths of planets in certain types of people... I really have been afraid to ask anyone about it for fear of sounding ignorant, but I suppose I will research it today... Haha. :smile:

Gauquelin did research to planets within the "critical" and "anti-critical" zones in the horoscope. You'll have to hold me to the calculations, have to write them down in understandable order. Go to Gauquelin Critical and Anti-critical Zones thread for example.

[Cosmiccradle]

Provided we stick to astrology, your wish is granted Wiseone...Please point out this "get out of jail free" comment to other Moderators on the thread in future (if neccessary)...and take care with your remaining two wishes:rightful:


The 10th/11th/12th might represent the houses where the matured individual contributes to society...and the "still immature" experience integration problems with society.:sideways:
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EJ

I'll start a Time/Life thread!

[dr. farr]

The concept of determining power degree areas based upon:
-the projection of the ascendant degree into each house (which is the basis of the ancient whole sign method)
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-the same projection of the degree of the midheaven into each house

...,could produce a "sensitive degree" area or "power area" for each sign/house.

Historically, the Uranian/Hamburg School makes use of a MC based chart for certain important delineations; mid-20th Century astrologer William Tucker, chose MC based charts for all work, in preference to ascendant based charts. Regarding "degree areas", Charles Carter did much work in this area-stated that he considered studies into "degree areas" or "zones" to be the most promising field for future astrological research. Ebertin and the wonderful Cosmobiologie School, have also been active, to a certain degree, in this investigation of "areas" and "zones".

So why not investigate into what we might call a "double centered" whole sign system, in which we use the degree of the ascendant (projected into all houses) AND the degree of the MC (the actual MC/IC axis degree), also projected into each house, as the defining limits of "power zones" ("special degree areas") within each house: planets (or Lots, etc) posited within these "power zones" perhaps having prominence in the chart as a whole, or perhaps especially relative to the matters governed by the particular house/sign in which such placements are found.:happy:

I had not previously thought about such a possibility (and believe me, as AW readers must know by now, I think of a lot of "unusual" possibilities:sideways:)

I wish to say that I would not have thought of this intriguing possibility (which could form a seperate thread for testing it out with real charts) had this current thread, and contributions of several of its respondents, not been started by eternalautumn-thank you:biggrin:!

Eternalautumn:
It is my opinion that your discontinuing active participation in this Forum would be a loss to all AW members, and I urge you to reconsider!

[Cosmiccradle]

Eternalautumn:
It is my opinion that your discontinuing active participation in this Forum would be a loss to all AW members, and I urge you to reconsider!

Did I miss something?

[dr. farr]

Yes, Eternalautumn has announced leaving this Forum.

[Cosmiccradle]

Yes, Eternalautumn has announced leaving this Forum.
I don't understand, he's so involved. And in the short time I've been here I can say without a doubt that that he is someone who makes you feel right at home. Has someone been unkind to him?

[eternalautumn]

dr. farr: Thank you for the background information and for your much better "terminology" clarifying my thoughts. What you are talking about is exactly what I was thinking! I'm glad you are interested, and I hope you will keep in touch with me in the future about any progress you make in this area...