Lookout for accident signs

[Howl]

I got a call thismorning from my ex, who I am close to, and learned that as of yesterday he is minus a few teeth :( He suffered a job related facial collision with bitumen, consequent hospitalisation, and introduction to morpheine. My teeth are still squirming when I think of it!

He has natal Mars (aquarius) loosely sextile (more than 5degrees) natal Uranus (saggie); Mars' only aspect. I associate transits concerning these two (and possibly saturn or chiron, as bones or the body/wounds?) with the possibility of physical accidents, yet I can only see harmonious transits. Uranus is retro but that, by itself, means nothing.

Are there any particular transits that can indicate accidents, apart from the obvious hard mars/uranus aspects?

[Miss Saturn]

What about Transiting Mars possibly conjunct his Ascendant or square perhaps, just guessing though. But this is Mars again, hard to guess without seeing chart.

Miss S

[Radu]

I remeber I read some time ago a PhD thesis (!) on the astrological conditions related to workplace accidents. One of the observations was that they seem to occur in significatively higher numbers when the transiting Sun is conjunct, square and in opposition with natal Sun. Does this apply?

[Howl]

Hi guys, thanks for your thoughts. Here is his natal chart, with transits, for the day (though not accurate for the time). There is actually a square from transiting Mars 9H to natal Uranus 12H. (I have got to stop posting quickly and missing things!! It comes from trying to squeeze astrology in before work in the morning, I am not a morning soul ;) )

Would natal Uranus in 12H indicate vulnerability to physical accidents in general? Would you consider this particular square to transiting Mars an indicator of higher risk of accidents?

The Sun in this chart does not oppose his natal Sun, but it does oppose his natal Mars.

Uranus is retrograde in 3H, which rules transport (which is what he was doing when said injury happened) but like I said, it makes no hard aspects.

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[Howl]

Here is astrodienst's interpretation for transiting Mars square Uranus:

Not at all obvious **
During this time authority figures and close relationships, especially old ones from the past, are most likely the objects of your revolt, if you feel it necessary to rebel. You will be much more easily angered than usual, because you quickly interpret everything as a threat to your ego. Above all else, you feel that you must assert your ego in your own highly individual way. And if you have been unconscious of the need for creative change in your life, you are likely to be quite explosive. Sometimes, however, the "explosions" happen to you, which is a sign from your environment that you need to break away from something, although what that is may not be at all obvious. An accident can be the sign of frustrated ego energies transmuted into destructive powers.

For my friend (I don't know what to call him without a name! friend/ex) this is valid for between 31 July 2006 to 3 August 2006.

[Miss Saturn]

He does have a Capricorn Ascendent i.e rules bones, teeth. Maybe this is involved.

Miss S

[Miss Saturn]

The only thing I could think it would be is because he has transiting Mercury oppose Mercury this means Work setbacks, Mercury is in his Capricorn Ascendant involving work Capricorn Ascendant represents physical body, (teeth).

Mars Square Uranus - Accident.

Both of these transits occur at the same time, so possibly linked together.

Uranus 12th - hospital

Miss S

[Virinchi]

i dont think uranus has something to do here
its mars and saturn responsible for this
tooth are under saturn's control and mars controls gems and blood vessels connected to them

usually ppl with mars+saturn combo/conjuct/view suffer more from accidents

NOTE : if someone has mars+sat conjuct in 8th house, they will be either killed by weapons or die in accdent

[Radu]

I notice that transiting Mars is also squaring the 6th house cusp. This is a perfect aspect for a violent accident (Mars) affecting his health. Uranus in opposition with the 6th house cups is just making him prone to accidents...
Also transiting Sun in opposition with natal Mars is relevant.

[Miss Saturn]

Oh just spotted Mercury is the ruler of the 6th house as well. I think with everybodys combined effort you have your answer. There seems to be lots of indicaters in his chart for the accident involving work. With what Radu pointed out about Mars squaring the 6th house cusp, 6th house rules work and health. Gemini on the cusp of this house and Mercury placed in the 1st house physical body with Capricorn on the cusp (teeth).

Transits - Mercury oppose Mercury (ruler of 6th placed in 1st Capricorn)
Work setbacks. Nervous energy which can contribute to the accident.

Mars square Uranus - Provoking the unexpected. Restless feeling, easily agitated by others. At the extreme if your not careful by repressing your feelings you might have a shock an accident as a wake up call.

Uranus in 12th unexpectedly going to hospital. Uranus opposing the 6th house cusp, accidents involving work affecting health. Mars square 6th Accident again.

Also transiting Sun oppose Mars - The Sun currently expressing the Mars energy.

Radu pointed most of the aspects out. But you can clearly see all the aspects contributing to the accident.

Miss S

[AquariusMoon]

Hi. I see that tr Pluto in H12 was squaring his MC. Also, there had been an almost exact eclipse at 24 Virgo to his MC on March 14. Eclipses are in effect for the year. The tr NNode was cj his IC. All of this could indicate an accident requiring medical attention.

AqMoon

[Howl]

Ok, I guess my lesson here is 'don't expect one transit to explain everything'. There is a lot to integrate at one time! Thanks everyone for your pointers :)

I do have two questions.
First, I'm not familiar with the influence of transiting nodes. Why might transiting NNode conjunct IC indicate possible injury/hospitalisation?

Secondly, I'm trying to differentiate between natal placements which may indicate being accident prone, or susceptible to injury, and the transits that supposedly set these off.

He has Capricorn ascendant with natal Mercury, ruler of 6H, in 1H. I'm gathering that this implies a link between his physical body and work. Perhaps he's likely to find jobs which he uses physical expression, or in this case, physical exertion (sorry, I'm being non-specific for privacy reasons, but his job does involve travel, a very mercury kinda thing).

What I don't understand is: does Mercury in the 1H Capricorn represent some kind of PERMANENT, ongoing risk of injury to bones/teeth? As in, every time Mars makes this square (or other hard aspects), he is particularly susceptible to injuring bones and teeth? This makes me wonder how he made it so far with a fully functioning skeleton :D His natal Uranus is in 12H, which may suggest accidents leading to hospitalisation, and the associated isolation/withdrawl for recovery. But does this mean he's ALWAYS more accident prone than most people??

Given that the transits involve relatively fast moving planets (mars, sun, mercury), what distinguishes the years where he doesn't knock out teeth from this year that he did??

I suspect the answer will be: MORE simultaneous indicators of injury than usual, at one time. I don't currently have the mental software to even attempt computing when that may be!!

[AquariusMoon]

I do have two questions.
First, I'm not familiar with the influence of transiting nodes. Why might transiting NNode conjunct IC indicate possible injury/hospitalisation?

Hi. The tr nodes alone won't indicate an accident or injury when cj the IC/MC axis, but in combination with H12 tr Pluto aspecting them and an eclipse to his MC, looking in hindsight I'd say that would explain your ex's on-the-job accident pretty fairly, a very potent combo.

AqMoon

[Cassie Priam]

Are you saying that it was a workplace accident with some sort of machinery?

If so, my vote for the culprit is the transiting Uranus which can cause those kind of accidents.

This is a long shot, but do you know the circumstances of the accident? By any chance was there some sort of distraction involved? Was your ex on the phone talking, or perhaps having some sort of conversation? Or on some medication? Something like that. Some sort of not paying total attention. (Ura in 3h Pisces).

Poor man, hope he is doing better. Ouch big time :(

[Cassie Priam]

i dont think uranus has something to do here
its mars and saturn responsible for this
tooth are under saturn's control and mars controls gems and blood vessels connected to themusually ppl with mars+saturn combo/conjuct/view suffer more from accidents
NOTE : if someone has mars+sat conjuct in 8th house, they will be either killed by weapons or die in accdent


Virinchi: How much does free will play into the Vedic view? Do you see the natal chart as possibilities that are mitigated by free will? Or absolute destiny?

[Howl]

Hi Cassie :)

It was actually related to mechanical failure rather than human error. Apologies for being so cryptic, I just feel better talking about people in my life vaguely rather than specifically unless I have told them about the particular conversation!! I'm sure many of you have figured me out anyways :D

So far, as contenders, we have:

natal Uranus 12H - suggestion of disruption leading to seclusion (possibly accidents leading to hospital)
natal Mercury ruling 6H - liklihood of work involving transport/fast movement/communication
natal Mercury also in 1H - likelihood of work using the physical body (right?)
natal Mars in Aqua sextile natal Uranus - he has got an erratic way of expressing energy, yes :)

transiting Mars in 9H square natal Uranus 12H - activates risk of physical accident
transiting Uranus rx in Pisces 3H - retro can mean mechanical malfunctions (in transport?)
tranisiting Mercury opposes natal Mercury (in 1H, ruler of 6H) - 'work related' frustrations, also related to the body??

Would you consider transiting Uranus retro sextile natal 1H Cappie Venus (physical body) to be significant? It's a soft aspect though??

transiting Pluto in 12H (but it stays there for ages!!) squaring nodal and IC/MC axis. I don't know how to explain this one ;) Also the prior eclipse conjunct his MC (suggesting something radical happening related to the tenth house career? The job he is now taking time off from is more a job than a calling, as such)

[AquariusMoon]

Hi. I see that tr Pluto in H12 was squaring his MC. Also, there had been an almost exact eclipse at 24 Virgo to his MC on March 14. Eclipses are in effect for the year. The tr NNode was cj his IC. All of this could indicate an accident requiring medical attention.

Hi. Just saw H12 na Neptune, ruler of H4, was also squared by the eclipse and is cj tr Pluto.

When a big event happens in one's life, you'll see lots of action in the chart. There are major things going on in his chart, and then there are triggers for actual events. Mercury opp Mercury, Uranus square na Mars, Saturn/Sun opp na Mars, Moon opp Moon, it all blends together. You can see something is going to happen with the houses involved.

The tr nodes and eclipses show where you're going to put your attention for the year. H4/10 is home and work, indicates job change and a move, but can also relate to health as H4 is "the end of all matters."

He has more coming up with the next set of eclipses. The one on Sep 22 squares his na H6/12 nodes and Sun. He may still be dealing with his teeth then, looking for a different job, a continuation of the theme.

Just from looking at the eclipses and what they aspect in his chart, putting the two together, one could see that there were going to be health and job concerns.

AqMoon

[Howl]

Thanks AquaMoon, one day I too shall have this skill ;) Then hopefully I can, somehow, keep a watchful eye over people before they lose thier teeth! Can't remember who it was, but recently on the forum there was a thread about "should I tell someone that I see signs of danger (health wise) in their chart". What DO you do if you can see such things? Aquamoon, have you ever cautioned anyone about upcoming transits, danger wise?

[AquariusMoon]

Thanks AquaMoon, one day I too shall have this skill ;) Then hopefully I can, somehow, keep a watchful eye over people before they lose thier teeth! Can't remember who it was, but recently on the forum there was a thread about "should I tell someone that I see signs of danger (health wise) in their chart". What DO you do if you can see such things? Aquamoon, have you ever cautioned anyone about upcoming transits, danger wise?

Hi. No. It's a waste of everyone's of time. Just say to be careful is all you can do, discuss insurance, that type of thing. #1 - You can never know exactly what's going to happen. #2 - No one wants to hear bad news. #3 - No one would really believe you.

I remember last year my astrologer told me that I would be moving. And I'd just finished remodeling my home for $$$. I thought, NO WAY! YOU'RE CRACKED! But she was right, 7 months later I moved, out of state even! Then she told me not to unpack everything as I'll be moving again shortly. Jeez! Then she told me that I'll be raising a baby - and I'm in my late 40's! This is wild stuff. Naturally, I don't believe her. She's wasting her time telling me all of this :D

There are exceptions. Someone I know has been having realistic dreams of having a fatal car accident, hitting a patch of ice and rolling over the edge of a steep mountain. This person has psychic dreams that do come true, and he feels this is one of them, so he discussed it with me. There is something coming up in his chart that is a repeat of a car accident he and his family were in in which his mother died, and so we've discussed it openly so that it hopefully can be avoided.

AqMoon

[Cassie Priam]

[quote=Howl]Hi Cassie :)

It was actually related to mechanical failure rather than human error. Apologies for being so cryptic, I just feel better talking about people in my life vaguely rather than specifically unless I have told them about the particular conversation!! I'm sure many of you have figured me out anyways :D

Hi Howl, I understand and agree totally about privacy issues. You do not have to tell me more, but I was just picking up perhaps a neptunian flavor to this accident. Something that is complicating the accident in some way, something that is not as appears to be.

And most mechanical failure can be linked eventually to human error. Just what I am seeing as I look at this chart.