Liar traits, is she a liar?

[utzxubiru]

Hello, my girl friend as sun in virgo, aries moon, and gemini rising.
I wonder how much can i trust her.
by looking at the natal promise how can one evaluate if a person is prone to lying?
her mercury is in virgo in the 3rd house squared neptune in saggitarius, and opposite the moon, having a gemini ascendant would this mercury placement make a gemini rising more or less trustworhty?

i've read in other posts that people lie for different reasons, in this case, if she is lying it is in order to protect herself and her belongings, just a thought..


natal chart is attached.

[lillyjgc]

Hi there,
Look, I'll be honest. I'm a bit unsure about the ethics of posting another person's chart and asking if they are a liar. (Imagine how you might feel, if this was done to you).

There are no set aspects that *make a person a liar*. Most people will lie in certain situations, and for many often valid reasons, such as protecting another's person's feelings, diplomacy , tact , fear, etc.
There's a danger with this chart, and question,that as we are all learners here, very hurtful conclusions could be drawn. We are influenced by what people say, either consciously or unconsciously.
I notice, though that Neptune is near h7.My sister has that placement and she has been lied *to* more than almost anyone I've known.
The real question, probably belongs to your natal. You may have aspects there that reflect fear of others, or low self worth...lots of possibilities.We often *project* our own issues onto others, completely unaware.It's worth looking into.
You mention *venus square Neptune* which can be associated with *seeing through rose coloured glasses* or refusing to see harsh realities.Self delusion can sometimes be associated with that aspect.

If you are concerned about the relationship itself, you might do better to post a synastry chart, showing how your charts impact on one another...that would give you a lot more accurate information, in my opinion.
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[utzxubiru]

hello, thanks very much for your reply.
just to correct i mentioned mercury in virgo square neptune.

..After living with someone, that as a very particular lifestyle, she is not my girlfriend but i still help her non the less, i wonder if she as been honest with me, maybe it sound bad but its really important to me to know if this friend i care for is been liyng to me or more importantly not..

[lillyjgc]

just to correct i mentioned mercury in virgo square neptune.

Sorry.My mistake.Forget what I said about venus square neptune...I notice her venus appears to be trine neptune actually-which is very nice.
Her Mercury is strongly placed in h3 in Virgo, the sign it rules. It's passed the square to neptune and the moon is separating from the opposition to mercury, so not as strong and probably when she was a kid she may have told a few imaginative fibs here and there. Mercury applies a sextile to jupiter/Uranus and Jupiter rules her ninth of ethics.
As I said, a synastry chart may show more.
Her integrity may come under Saturn.Saturn is at 0 degrees scorpio so under Mars rulership.Mars is 8 degrees past a square to Saturn, too wide an orb really to be effective.
Having Saturn and Pluto together can be a powerful aspect, but hers arent badly aspected.
Cheers
Lilly

[wilsontc]

utzxubiru,

You asked:
Hello, my girl friend...
I wonder how much can i trust her.
by looking at the natal promise how can one evaluate if a person is prone to lying?

Since she has a bucket chart with :moon: (change) in the expansion (also wisdom) house as the "handle", she "picks things up" in her life by changing the way she understands them. This might seem like lying to you.

Guessing,

Tim

[utzxubiru]

Hello, just to say that after some thinking about it, and looking at our synastry, i do project a lot of my faults and fears onto the other person, some of her planets aspect my natal saturn in scorpio. The other thing is that she as natal mercury opposite her moon, i think she isnt able to say exactly whats on her mind, going around the bush.

wilsontc, what do you mean? your post makes sense, she wont say whats really on her mind, she prefers to gives excuses in order to dissuade me or make me aware of what she really wants but wont state it directly.

[Plutonian libra]

I just have to replay. I searched on google "liar in natal chart" and found this forum.

I have colleague (woman) who is in my opinion a patological liar. She has Neptune square Mercury and Sun, and Jupiter and Mars.

I noticed that working with her on one study. She is a great actress, and great victim. I can't stand her but I have to be good with her.

[astrologer50]

Hello, my girl friend as sun in virgo, aries moon, and gemini rising.
I wonder how much can i trust her.
by looking at the natal promise how can one evaluate if a person is prone to lying?
her mercury is in virgo in the 3rd house squared neptune in saggitarius, and opposite the moon, having a gemini ascendant would this mercury placement make a gemini rising more or less trustworhty?

i've read in other posts that people lie for different reasons, in this case, if she is lying it is in order to protect herself and her belongings, just a thought..


natal chart is attached.

this can suggest coloured over imagined thoughts, speech etc. I notice Venus is retrograde (going backwards) to and conj sun


A natal Venus retrograde can cause you difficulty achieving fulfillment or finding your right romantic partner. You may be more in love with your ideas about love than you are with any real person you know. In karmic terms, you need to complete a life lesson about giving and receiving love and affection. You are here to determine what is truly of value to you and learn about creating a balance of give and take in your romantic life. Your romantic dialogue has a tendency to be far too internal at times, causing you to inhibit the flow of good things into your life. You will have to be willing to experience loving and being loved in order to attract what you desire into your life and create the feelings of security you need.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm#venrx

to read the full article click on link. We also have a good search feature here and am sure there has been loads of threads talking about this very question....

She also has a bucket chart with moon as handle and saturn & pluto are singletons

Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm)
http://www.astrologyclub.org (http://www.astrologyclub.org/)
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html)
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm (http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm)

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077)
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html (http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html)
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp (http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm)
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm (http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm)

It would be better if her time/chart was rectified as if she had early cancer Asc would help with the emotions and lacking this element is rather tricky

Moon is also apex for Yod configuration.

Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm)
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html (http://asphodelea.com/yods.html)
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml (http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology))
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331 (http://realastrologers.com/?p=331)
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html (http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html)
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm (http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm)
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html (http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html)

Moon is quincunx venus - this thread should explain the basics, but the quincunx is bit like an itch you can't scratch and causes internal stress.There is something * at odds* with the emotinal nature (moon) and venus how/whom she is atttracted to romantically.

venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon)

[astrologer50]

You have moon square neptune natally and the synastry shows your neptune square her Aries moon and her mercury also square your Neptune, which shows the communications problems....

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945)

[retinoid]

Gemini rising people can be GOOD at lying as they can come up with stories that others believe on the spot and they can also change their outward natures pretty easily to 'fit in' which can make them seem superficial at times. But this doesn't make all gemini risings liars.

[Munch]

I would like to add, that when we accuse others of lying, often times its more a matter of us misinterpreting them. If you have poor communication synastry, it can often FEEL like you are being lied to just because the other person is unable to articulate themselves in a way that we understand easily. When the communication difficulty comes from Neptune, it could be a little bit of both, one or the other, or neither.