Why is my friend behaving like that?

[Summery Joy]

Hello,

We are a big group of friends. The quesited is closer to me than anyone else although we are all pretty close. Lately, he has been behaving very rude and repulsive with most of the other guys. Not with me though, although I had my share of the bad treatment before it started with the rest of the group. Right now I'm the only person who can stand him. Maybe because we are close I know the troubles he is going through while the rest don't. To be honest, his troubles can cause him to be a bit edgy, but not as abnoxious as he's being to everyone else. My question is "why is he behaving this way?". If it matters, this guy and I had a sort of a physical "friends with benefits agreement" type of relationship. It has ended more than a year ago and there are no romantic feelings left. I don't know if it matters, but I thought I'd tell you just in case.

The data of the question;

29 July 2006
2:52 pm (GMT+3)***
Cairo, Egypt 30n03, 31e15
*** If you use astrodient to erect this chart, please enter the time as 1:52 pm since astrodient doesn't account for daylight's saving's time in Egypt.

For verification, I got the ASC at 26:46

Thanks in advance.

[Virinchi]

its because you're going thru a tough phase
so only u feel more effected

[Summery Joy]

its because you're going thru a tough phase

No I'm not. I going through some of the best times of my life at the moment!


so only u feel more effected

I don't feel more affected. I'm the only one he's not treating bad at the moment! The rest of the group are more affected by his current behaviour than me.

Virinchi, I have been following your replies that are based on intuition. They don't seemed to have worked with anyone. I truly appreciate you giving time and thought to my horary, so don't take it as critisism when I ask you this: do you even construct an horary chart and give your intuitive reply based on it, or do you sense the answer only by reading the question?

[Liatris]

Hi Sorehearted -

Just got to see your question.

From the way you describe him, I have taken him as a friend - so Libra 11th house cusp so he is Venus. He is in your 8th, his second. Is he going through any issues relating to his values (2nd) or money ? It seems that he is not in a really bad position - I mean, he is not combust the sun, not in the via combust zone, not besieged (between two malefics). On the other hand, the only major aspects he makes are trines - one is to Uranus (changes) and the other is to Jupiter (general abundance).

I am at a disadvantage as far as thorough interpretation because I need to dig out my main horary reference book (moved recently) - Simplified Horary Astrology (Ivy Goldstein-Jacobsen). But from what I do see - I have always heard (not my personal experience) that trines can make some people who are not aware that they have to make things happen in their life, um - trines can make people not get off their butts - it does not have the push to get something done the way a square does. Kind of lazy when under the influence of easy trines. I, however, DO NOT take trines for granted :eek: !
(Too many strong oppositions and Saturnian restrictions to take anything for granted) Anyway, I am just takind educated guesses here. The last aspect the moon makes before leaving the sign (if you consider Pluto) is Pluto. Square Pluto may mean that he does eventually come around (by the square necessity)to dealing with deep issues (Pluto) perhaps relating to his values (he in second). His house of friends (his 11th) is ruled by the moon and is filled with mars, saturn, and the sun. Not really sure what that would mean. Do these planets seem to represent any of his friends ? (You are mars there). I do see that when using the Placidus system that his 11th house cusp is at 29 degrees 52 minutes of cancer - really on the verge of making a change. Maybe friends are getting fed up.

:o Don't know how helpful that was. Have you seen the Ivy book I mentioned ? She was in her mid nineties (maybe 97) when she died. She was really considered to be a master of horary. Her husband (her 7th cusp was Capricorn - he was restrictive) did not allow her to publish books she had written so as soon as he died she put all sorts of books out ! A lot of info in there - a lot to wade through but the most comprehensive book on horary I have ever seen.

Liatris :)

[Virinchi]

If you're going thru one of the best times of your life, then these kinda problems dont surface, or even if they do, you dont think about them and post them here.

You did, so you are bothered by it.

you may not agree with me, bcoz you feel strong about yourself. thats fine with u. but u r bothered and i can feel it

i never erect a horary chart

[FlyAway]

i never erect a horary chart

How are you able then to analyze a horary chart?
Do you see it in front of you, or do you only use your psychological abilities to answer a question?
That wouldn't really be astrology, is it?

[Summery Joy]

If you're going thru one of the best times of your life, then these kinda problems dont surface, or even if they do, you dont think about them and post them here.

You did, so you are bothered by it.

you may not agree with me, bcoz you feel strong about yourself. thats fine with u. but u r bothered and i can feel it

i never erect a horary chart

I think that you are mistaking projection of your own experiences for intuition. Forgive me, but you have sensed incorrectly. Thank you for your time though.

[Summery Joy]

Liatris,

Thank you for your reponse. I have a few questions.

You said that you have chosen the 11th house to rule him, which is correct because he is a friend of mine. His significator, Venus, is in the radix 8th house. You said;

He is in your 8th, his second. Is he going through any issues relating to his values (2nd) or money?.

My 8th house is not his second, it's his 10th. It would be his 2nd if your were looking at the 7th house. Were you?

His 10th house is his career. He has just recently moved to a new job with a completely new atmosphere. It's a great step forward for him, but he seems frustrated by it. He won't admit it, but I don't think he feels all fit in yet.

The last aspect the moon makes before leaving the sign (if you consider Pluto) is Pluto. Square Pluto may mean that he does eventually come around (by the square necessity)to dealing with deep issues (Pluto) perhaps relating to his values (he in second).

The square is alarming me because it is with a natural malefic in Rx motion. That last aspect is in my 2nd house; in his 4th. I've always had problems with figuring out the 4th house. Do you have any insights.

I do see that when using the Placidus system that his 11th house cusp is at 29 degrees 52 minutes of cancer - really on the verge of making a change. Maybe friends are getting fed up.

They're getting fed up if him and he's getting fed up of them. I'm in between not knowing how to referee, but I tend to take his side based on subjective reasons; I'm closer with him than with any of them.

I have always heard (not my personal experience) that trines can make some people who are not aware that they have to make things happen in their life, um - trines can make people not get off their butts - it does not have the push to get something done the way a square does. Kind of lazy when under the influence of easy trines.

Hmm. That's a thinker. I never thought about triines in those terms in horary. I sort of limit them to natal charts interretation. But now that you have mentoned it, why not? Could very well be!

Another question. Although the question is not really about my relationship with him, I've noticed that both our significators receive each other by triplicity but each is in the other's sign of fall (a form of anti-reception). I don't like interpreting my own charts, so here's my question: do you think this reception/anti-reception thing means anything?

In order to figure out what's on his mind, I tried to see which traditional planets his significator receives in any way. It turned oout that it only receives Mars by triplicity and the Moon by triplicity and face, and anti-receives both of them by fall. The Moon receives his significator by sign.

Venus also anti-receives Jupiter by detriment although Jupiter receives Ve nus by exaltation. Jupiter rules his turned 3rd and 6th houses by sign and his11th by exaltation.

So basically there's mutual reception between Mars and the Moon on one side and Venus on the other. And there's mutual reception between Mars and Venus. Plus, we have that weird relationship with Jupiter.

Venus is him, Mars is me, the Moon is his other friends and co-signifies me and the question. Jupiter coulld be his friends, siblings or work and service.

Can you make anything out of that?

[Virinchi]

i dont erect a chart coz of the differences in ephemeris used in different methods
nobody knows when this universe started but everyone claims their ephemeris to be perfect

[Liatris]

Hi Sorehearted -

Yeah, even though I felt that he should be represented by the 11th (friend), I somehow automatically clicked him back into the generic "other person" (7th) for part of my illustrious interpretation ! Sorry, my brain has seen better days. Yes, so him being in his 10th would make sense because of the job change. But still, he does have some nice aspects there. That would put the trine to Uranus in his 6th (more "job" than "career") - not sure if the 6th may represent the work environment or not - but if it does, the Uranus (change) would make sense. Ivy has said that a Retrograde planet brings a sort of reluctance sometimes - like someone backing away. That is the case when it represents a person - may also be the case with a situation - not sure. Here, maybe although he is trine Uranus (change) because it is Retrograde - it may represent his not feeling so comfortable there yet. Also, Jupiter (abundance) is the other trine and is in his 2nd (money,values). Do you know if he is making more money in this new position ?

You said that Pluto makes it's last square aspect in your 2nd and his 4th. Do you use Placidus for horary ? Maybe there is something beyond me here with this that you can explain but I have Pluto retrograde in your first house at 24 Sag 25. And the second house cusp is 26 Sag 52. According to that, Pluto is in his 3rd house. Either there is something I am missing or we used different house systems or were you talking about your natal charts ? House systems seem arbitrary to me - God made the planets but humans made the house systems. Planets are obvious where they are in the "sky" but the house systems - eh ?

Regarding trines meaning very easy or maybe too easy for use in horary - I am not sure. Since there are so many systems of horary interpretation - and it seems nobody (even experts) know about certain things, I think it is possible that the trine could have the same sort of effect - depending on how the person asked about it with "ease". It may be that the new position is actually a very good thing (the trines ) but that he needs to appreciate it. Of course Uranus was retrograde possibly indicating that need to settle into feeling like he is fitting. Bottom line, is I am not sure if the trine should be seen in the same way. Ugh, I think it would take a long life of trial and error to figure out all these things.

I am going to have to get going now but will come back to the rest when I can.

It is nice having a horary buddy here. :)

[Liatris]

Hi Sorehearted -

I am sorry I was unable to come back to this sooner (domestic problems). Also, I wanted to do a little self-educating so that I could even begin to comment.

You said :
Another question. Although the question is not really about my relationship with him, I've noticed that both our significators receive each other by triplicity but each is in the other's sign of fall (a form of anti-reception). I don't like interpreting my own charts, so here's my question: do you think this reception/anti-reception thing means anything?

Me: That is a good question - my horary reference book (even though I do not have it now) I am sure mentions nothing about such a situation - so I have no idea what that could mean.

You mentioned the mutual reception between Mars and the Moon. That may mean that you (Mars) and other friends (Moon) are all in agreement that he is behaving oddly.

With regard to the other questions you have about what the different recepetions may mean, I really just don't know. The horary studies with Ivy's material which I have been focusing on put very little emphasis on interpreting receptions. It seems that you have learned a lot of Lily-like material that puts the focus on them. I need to learn much more in that direction.

Sorry I was unable to add much to your interpretation. I will attempt to learn more about the receptions and maybe bit by bit, I will be able to view your horary questions from that point of view and hopefully have more to add.

Hope things will work out ok with the situation.

Liatris

[Liatris]

Sorehearted - I just wanted to say that I think the fact that you have an analytical mind is great for learning horary and anything else for that matter. I always have so many questions when learning things - that makes for good learning. Whenever I read Ivy's book I end up with a million more questions. Wish she was still alive - I spoke with her a couple of times by phone - to have her to ask questions would be great. As good as the book is - it leaves a lot unanswered or unclear.

[Summery Joy]

Do you know if he is making more money in this new position ?

I don't know if he's making more money, but I do know that he's making really good money.

You said that Pluto makes it's last square aspect in your 2nd and his 4th. Do you use Placidus for horary ?
Sometimes, but this time I used Regiomontanus and I got Pluto Rx at Sag 24:25 and the radix 2nd cusp at Sag 24:17. What results in the 2nd cusp t Sag 26:52 is Placidus. Which one did you use again?

It is nice having a horary buddy here.
<nods in excitement> :)

Thank you for looking at the chart.

[Barry-ann]

Hi Sorehearted, Thought I might make an exception to my new rule of not putting up anymore charts for others. I've put up hundreds of charts on fora and I'm quite fed up by it! ;)

What immediately caught my eye is that Moon is almost VOC. The only aspect is will still make is that square to rx Pluto.
AC is almost too late too.
Both your significators are in Mercury's sign. But let's not look at you for this chart, you asked a question about what is going on with your friend.
The Vertex in his tenth leads me to conclude there is indeed something about his work.

The next aspect his sig. Venus will make is a trine to Uranus in his 6th. I believe the daily routine of the new work causes him stress, is disruptive for him. Or he has a health problem going on, something neurological, something to do with his 'wiring'.
A lot in this charts points to Jupiter. Venus in his tenth is separating from a trine with it. Did he start the new job about three months ago??

Jupiter is ruler of his fourth, where Pluto is on the cusp, and of his 6th, where Uranus is residing. Telling. Is there something going on in his home or with his parents, father in particular? Pluto on cusp four could also very well indicate his own inner turmoil, he seems to be going through a difficult time.

Ruler of his 11th is Moon in his 12th. You as friends seem to be 'hidden' from him now, although he likes you a lot.

Some info on the fourth:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h4.html

Small thing I noticed from your perspective: Venus is ruler of your 11th, but also of your seventh.
I also believe this problem will not last that much longer.

B-A

[Summery Joy]

Barry-Ann,

Thank you verry much for your interpretation.

He didn't start his job 3 months ago but he is in his 3rd month there. You're not far off.

The 4th house issue is puzzling. His dad has been been putting pressure on him, but not more than before. It's always been this way. I guess the part of the inner turmoil is more accurate, although I don't know what the main cause of it is. And even if it is his dad, why is he taking it out on his friends?

The ruler of my 7th is the ruler of my 11th? hmm.. probably because he and I are best friends. We treat one anoother on one-to-one basis apart from the rest of the group.

You said you believed that the problem would not last much longer. I'm glad to hear it, but could you tell me what led you believing so? It would relieve me a lot. I hate the peace-maker role that I assume resonsibility for everytime anything happens!

[Barry-ann]

And even if it is his dad, why is he taking it out on his friends? These things happen. Wait till you live together and see what happens then...
People take things out on the people closest to them, and maybe these are his friends.

I believe this is almost over since the Moon is almost VOC and there is only one aspect left, the square to Pluto.
And you do not have to take responsibility, always remember that!
Best,B-A