Do transits affect progressions even if there is no natal planet involved?

[astropsychologist]

Hi,
My progressed Venus is and has been stationary at 2 degrees Cancer for the past year or so. It's due to turn retrograde at the end of this year. It's not aspecting any natal planet, (although natal Venus is quite strong in my chart) but do you think the transiting T-Square of Pluto, Uranus and Saturn in early Cardinal signs will have an affect on it??
Do transits affect progressions even if there is no natal planet involved?

[freedomlover]

Hi,
My progressed Venus is and has been stationary at 2 degrees Cancer for the past year or so. It's due to turn retrograde at the end of this year. It's not aspecting any natal planet, (although natal Venus is quite strong in my chart) but do you think the transiting T-Square of Pluto, Uranus and Saturn in early Cardinal signs will have an affect on it??
Do transits affect progressions even if there is no natal planet involved?

My understanding is that Progressed planets don't make an aspect in and of themselves - but only when they aspect a natal planet... like if you had Mars at 2 Aries - you would have an aspect of Prog. Venus in Cancer square natal Mars at 2 Aries... but NOT if your Mars was at 15' Aries. I really wasn't under the impression that this applied to transits.

I had transiting Saturn in Virgo moving pretty much in tandem conjuncting my Progressed Moon for several months. Now Uranus in Pisces is moving pretty much in tandem opposing my Progressed Moon. (The upcoming opposition with transiting Saturn Rx in Virgo opposing Uranus in Pisces will be right on my Progressed Moon - GASP!) I've had Virgo and Virgo/Pisces issues come up this whole time that really couldn't be explained by anything else in my chart - kind of like an ongoing theme. I've also had transiting Neptune sitting on my Progressed Ascendant for the past few years.. that has definitely had an effect, as well.

[dhundhun]

Hi,
My progressed Venus is and has been stationary at 2 degrees Cancer for the past year or so. It's due to turn retrograde at the end of this year. It's not aspecting any natal planet, (although natal Venus is quite strong in my chart) but do you think the transiting T-Square of Pluto, Uranus and Saturn in early Cardinal signs will have an affect on it??
Do transits affect progressions even if there is no natal planet involved?

Yes, stationary progression at times can be more sensitive than Natal. It can be adversly influenced by the transits you are refering.

[astropsychologist]

Thanks for that freedom lover.
Yeah i didn't think that transits would affect progressions, but seeing as the progression is about to turn retrograde, it's likely to be pretty significant, so was wondering in that case if transits would have more of an affect.

So Neptune has been transiting your progressed Asc? Interesting....the progressed asc is not something i've ever kept an eye on...hmmm...should check that out. And my progressed Moon has been travelling along with Saturn for years now, it's been so long that im not sure that I can say I've felt an effect. But they should be separating soon enough, so maybe in hindsight, i'll see an effect.

[astrologer50]

Thanks for that freedom lover.
Yeah i didn't think that transits would affect progressions, but seeing as the progression is about to turn retrograde, it's likely to be pretty significant, so was wondering in that case if transits would have more of an affect.

So Neptune has been transiting your progressed Asc? Interesting....the progressed asc is not something i've ever kept an eye on...hmmm...should check that out. And my progressed Moon has been travelling along with Saturn for years now, it's been so long that im not sure that I can say I've felt an effect. But they should be separating soon enough, so maybe in hindsight, i'll see an effect.

this is impossible, the maximum effect of progressed moon to a planet is 3months, 1' approaching 1' exact and 1' departing....

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars espec are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html (http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67)
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php (http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html)
http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm (http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm)

The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

Also I would take this opportunity to mention there is a ‘plethora’ of information in every forum top, called 'stickys' which cover, explain in great depth what each forum is all about, plus we have an Education forum for further research..

[gemini59]

Actually there is something called Moon chasing Saturn or visa versa..it is when the progressed moon falls into aspect with the transiting Saturn. This can be a very down time.
A progressed planet turning retrograde is quite significant. I have severa of the outer planets that turned direct by progression thus releasing me from the retrograde status.

I do pay attention to transits of the out planets to progressed planets. I think you will notice some effect. Saturn passed over my progressed Venus and it was a markedly down time for 'love' so to speak.
I take note of them to a certain extent but not religiously. I know where they are.

The progressed angles are of significant importance. Natal aspects to progressed angles should be noted as well as progressed planets aspects to natal angles. And then keep track of your progressed to natal aspects. Now sometimes progressions can aspect each other and should be noted so progressed moon aspecting progressed mars by square might give a more energized psyche (depending on sign).

Those are my observations.
Hope this helps.

[Claire19]

Hi,
My progressed Venus is and has been stationary at 2 degrees Cancer for the past year or so. It's due to turn retrograde at the end of this year. It's not aspecting any natal planet, (although natal Venus is quite strong in my chart) but do you think the transiting T-Square of Pluto, Uranus and Saturn in early Cardinal signs will have an affect on it??
Do transits affect progressions even if there is no natal planet involved?
In short, no. We need always to have natal planets involved with transits and progressions and not to each other. They dont have to be the same aspects but the same planets must be in contact.

i.e. transitting Moon hits natal Pluto and there is a natal contact with Moon and Pluto too. That is valid. If there is a progression with Pluto and hitting the natal Moon as well then the effects are felt strongly and are inevitable.

:happy:

[astropsychologist]

Ok thanks for that, Hmm...so some astrologers think yes and others no? I myself was inclined to think no, but seeing as progressed Venus turning retrograde is likely to be quite significant, I have a feeling the transits might have an effect in this case, but I guess i'll have to wait and see and report back.

Gemini59, when your outer planets turned direct, was it significant in itself, or were they triggering natal planets at the time?

And yes astrologer50, progressed Moon traveling with transit Saturn IS possible as they travel at a similar speed.

[astrologer50]

Ok thanks for that, Hmm...so some astrologers think yes and others no? I myself was inclined to think no, but seeing as progressed Venus turning retrograde is likely to be quite significant, I have a feeling the transits might have an effect in this case, but I guess i'll have to wait and see and report back.

Gemini59, when your outer planets turned direct, was it significant in itself, or were they triggering natal planets at the time?

And yes astrologer50, progressed Moon traveling with transit Saturn IS possible as they travel at a similar speed.

and how is that possible and progressed moon never retrogrades :innocent:

[astrologer50]

Progressed Moon and Transitting Saturn take around the same time to complete one zodiac cycle, A50......So when in aspect, they can remain so for a long time.


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define long time? max 6months then as I said prog moon never retrogrades so as soon as saturn retrograde ---- moon just marches on and saturn can retrograde for months whereas moon keeps going. I don't see this as 'long time' thing here

[freedomlover]

define long time? max 6months then as I said prog moon never retrogrades so as soon as saturn retrograde ---- moon just marches on and saturn can retrograde for months whereas moon keeps going. I don't see this as 'long time' thing here

Speaking from experience, transiting Saturn caught up with my Progressed Moon sometime last Summer and separated maybe around late September. My Progressed Moon is in Virgo and Saturn entered Libra end of October. My Progressed Moon is currently at 27' Virgo - so Saturn left it in the dust quite awhile back - although it will be coming back around to take another swing in a few weeks. Transiting Saturn will again catch my Prog. Moon about the end of April, when it will conjunct exactly around 28' Virgo. I checked my Progressions with transits as of July 1, 2010 and Saturn is still at 28' Virgo while Progressed Moon has entered 0' Libra.

So the whole cycle is lasting about a year - but there is a several month gap when there was no aspect. Inoticed Astro.com does this, too - they will list a transit as lasting from "x" date to "x" date, but does not mention that there are periods within that time that the planets will not be in aspect.

[gemini59]

As far as outer planets turning direct your question
Gemini59, when your outer planets turned direct, was it significant in itself, or were they triggering natal planets at the time?
Jupiter turned direct at age 36, the year my daughter was born, and when I began a separation from my husband. Jupiter in scorpio in the 8th implies benefits from partner. Well it was a few years from the divorce that I found my legs again financially.
Neptune went direct when I was 33 after my first child. I can remember my feelings in general about life changed and it is such a long story but clearly a change. I will have to look at the transits but they were powerful during that time. I will get to you on that...my son is calling me to take him some where:)

[astropsychologist]

Astrologer50, yes the progressed moon doesn't retrograde but Saturn transits turn retrograde and direct and so it bypasses the moon, retrogrades away and catches up with it again a few times during this time, so yes it's not always an exact aspect, but they can hover around each other for a few years closing in and separating quite a few times over that period.

In Alan Leo's book "The Progressed Horoscope" he states "One of the most certain and direct aspects is that of Saturn "hunting the Moon" as it is termed, that is, when Saturn is in transit over the Moon's progressed place. Since the progressed Moon takes twenty-eight and Saturn thirty years to complete the circle, this will often last for many years and in some cases for a lifetime"

Also take a look at....
http://cafeastrology.com/2005/01/saturn-chasing-moon-and-lemony-snicket.html
http://matrixtownley.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/moon-chasing-saturn-chasing-moon/
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/saturn-chasing-the-moon.php
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/special_points.htm#Saturn%20Chasing%20the%20Moon

And if you still don't believe it's possible, check out transit Saturn and Prog moon in my chart for the past 2 years.