The Midheaven and aspects of it in charts

[D-Rok]

We all have some direction that we want to head towards in life. I know and see people who know exactly what they want to do with their lives and are somehow completely capable of doing so.

With that in mind I was curious about some chart types on Astro.com and saw 'Astroclick'. Now, I really have no idea what that is, but I'm pretty sure it's not the birth chart itself. But I looked at it anyway. I have two links here (yes, two).

I have been rambling on in recent posts about why I may feel inferior to someone who was once very close to me. THIS IS WHY. My MC has very few aspects and they are both square or oppositions, which tells me that

a) I am unevolved in the way of not knowing what I want to do
b) I am indecisive and a jerk who only focuses on himself and not 'for the greater good' as hers is
c) I am not focused on my path (from what I have gathered from other sites, I've read that people who know what they want to do with themselves and what their purpose is in life marks an old soul, more advanced, etc.)
d) I will not contribute to the world as much as her, no matter how hard I try

This is my Astroclick thing -- http://www.astro.com/cgi/aclch.cgi?btyp=ack&lang=e&nhor=2#bnr=4&cid=mdffilexD8jp1-u1269435397&lang=e&btyp=ack&uniq=152702_7264&sx1=1&adult=1&AstroClick.x=237&AstroClick.y=68

This is her Astroclick thing -- http://www.astro.com/cgi/aclch.cgi?btyp=ack&lang=e&nhor=1#cid=mdffilexD8jp1-u1269435397&lang=e&btyp=ack&uniq=151815_6219&sx2=1&adult=1&AstroClick.x=202&AstroClick.y=198

It's just like...to me, how is this a good thing at all? "Focus on *you*", people will say. "Don't focus on her."

Look at it! How can I not!? I mean, she knows what she wants to do in her life and there are aspects EVERYWHERE in her MC. Let's see:

-Mars opp. MC
-Mercury tri. MC
-Uranus tri. MC
-Neptune tri. MC
-Moon sex. MC
-Jupiter sex. MC

What the heck!? What a noble and honorary soul she is indeed. Giving to others, being a Master Teacher akin to Buddha and Christ...loving others...I would say personally she may as well be an angel incarnate.

...I have

-Mercury squ. MC
-Mars squ. MC

That, to me, tells me I have problems communicating and problems with temper. What good is that? I know there are other factors but every time the 'other factors' are taken into consideration, hers are ALWAYS more fluid and smooth, and there are simply more of them, and mine...mine just reminds me of a car with 3 tires. "Oh, no, it's good for you! It builds character! Learn to integrate it!"
...So she is already past that stage and onto teaching to idiots like me who don't have their lives together...is that what that is?

More evolved, more loving, more idealistic, more in-tune, more giving, more beautiful (in sooo many ways), more intelligent, more powerful, more everything. That's what I see in her chart. There is nothing I see in mine that makes me feel good when I look at hers. "Well stop comparing yourself to her, we are all equal and special in different ways blah blah blah" I've heard it all before. No. I can't stop. I may as well be looking God in the face in this chart, in my opinion. I wanted to help shift and change this world to make it a better place, but she has all the tools to make it so. ...and I don't.

I am asking a lot, I know. I just don't understand! To me her chart just points to total godliness and stuff that we all strive to learn. I would like to know what you all interpret her chart to be as well as mine. It would really, really help me out and put my mind at ease -- I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown because I just don't find any evidence from astrology that makes me feel like I am just as good a person/soul as she is. Everyone keeps saying that everyone is unique, equal, and special in their own way. Now look at her dang chart and say that to me, because in my eyes, I see her as someone else.

It's like the old saying from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal... ...but some are more equal than others."

Please. Help me out with understanding this whole aspect.

EDIT: I don't think I'm really on the edge of a nervous breakdown, I AM within a nervous breakdown right now and am trying to get through it. But look at her! Come on!!! How could I not... T_T

[Ebenia]

My all-around-joking Mercury square Jupiter would like to say, that CLEARLY you have the MC square Mars, but maybe I'll save my joking comments to another time...;)

One thing that I am interested in, is do you happen to have any major aspect between Pluto and personal planets or personal planets in Scorpio? You seem like you could be going through some saturn-plutonish -transit things. You seem like you are just going crazy - not with her, but with yourself, not feeling good enough.

That is a normal feeling and part of growing up and starting to love oneself. Maybe you should start it today? :)

[D-Rok]

As for your ex, I suspect the person who wants to leave and is happy is 'evolved' and the person who's hurt and feels betrayed and doesn't want to break up is 'unevolved'.

Please tell me you can see the problem with that. Please?
Yikes -- she is trying to move on. I feel hurt and am not happy with myself and am doing my best to send good thoughts to her.

Here are both of our charts, I think the moon in scorpio has a lot to do with it, but I mean...am I really 'not as evolved'?

[D-Rok]

Hahaha, you have a good point about the evolved part. Perhaps it would be a better question to ask about the spiritual vibration of consciousness in this. I know I need to 'raise my vibration', but seeing this stuff is like a slap in the face: "HIGHER IN CONSCIOUSNESS THAN YOU!!!"

Sorry >.< with all the talk about aspects and everything...it's hard for me to not see myself as 'not on her level'.

[Modcleopatra]

Aye Me!

She has Sun opposed Moon, and I have Sun opposed Moon.

For some reason, we tend to look very "evolved," or at least in my experience, how people have reacted to me, ESPECIALLY in my one-to-one romantic relationships (I also have a 7th house Sun), as quite literally like the benevolent guru therapist mommy perfect one angel ****.

What's going on is the power exchange that has to happen between my sun and moon, as well as hers. We are forced to be objective, literally always as the "wise other," since we have to spend some much time finding out about ourselves! We are not evolved. (word drips like goo)

Like YOU however, I have Sun sq Pluto natally (and Pluto is conjunct my MC!) so I never feel evolved, always guilty, always bad, always the worst thing alive ever.

Pluto brings the ick quality of all of us to your solar center to deal with embrace as part of you. That's the REAL power, being human enough to admit it....


good luck, and don't beat yourself up, she wasn't THAT great and you aren't made of evil things from the underworld.

and if you are... come join me!

mod.

[Earth Sign]

The only problems people have are their problems with what they have.

But let me ask. What does looking at your chart honestly change? You were always who you are and looking in your astrological mirror doesn't make you act any different, unless you get upset about it. One of the reasons a lot of people should learn about astrology is to overcome the challenges they were given in nature.

When I got into astrology I was kind of bummed that I was a triple Earth sign, and I thought that meant I couldn't think abstractly. That was it, no chance, I don't have that ability. That was wrong. It doesn't come as easily for me as some people, naturally, but that's just one of the things astrology has taught me I have to beat. You shouldn't look at your chart in an "Oh, woe is me" type of way, you should look at it like it's a challenge. There's the problem, fix it.

And if it makes you feel better, maybe she won't learn as much going down that road because it comes too easily, you have to use skill for it. Square's are, above all, a challenging aspect, a lot of successful people have them, but it's an aspect that lacks concern for others. To beat that aspect you have to learn to feel good for others. Don't worry, be happy, that's the challenge before you. :wink:

[Earth Sign]

I've noticed a lot of people with Earth Sun signs are often interested in Astrology, mostly Taurus and Capricorn, I've never known why that was.

[D-Rok]

Whoa, Mod, did you say something about you being the perfect angel or seen as such? Cause I've noticed that with her and I don't really get that whole aspect.

[Modcleopatra]

D-Rok,


You said:


Whoa, Mod, did you say something about you being the perfect angel or seen as such? Cause I've noticed that with her and I don't really get that whole aspect.

Ok I sound like a BIG HUGE ARROGANT JERK but it's JUST something I've been called before. I think it ALSO has to do with my Neptune conjunct ASC (people see what they want to see in me).

I also think, however, it has to do with the Sun-Moon opposition natally... just makes it seem like you "understand others so well." You do, but not yourself so much... don't get caught up in it...


mod.

[D-Rok]

Hahahahaha, no it's alright, I think I am beginning to see why that is the case. I'm not too sure about her Neptune conjunct Ascendant but I would bet my burrito it was there. I am surprised about the Sun-moon opposition, simply because it seems a lot more aggressive than putting off an image of being...angelic.

[Modcleopatra]

Hey D,

Lest we change this thread too much...

I would never considered the Sun-Moon opposition aggressive. It gives someone Libra-like qualities, which are hardly aggressive. The person is usually too busy deciding where to go, which move to make, what vision to pursue, to be aggressive...

mod.

[tanamarios]

i have in my chart several aspects with my MC. Mars opp. MC , Moon square MC , Chiron conjunct South Node sextile MC , and North Node trine MC. And the overall message is that while i dont blowup my emotions or act angrily in my profession , i can be succesful in my chosen field of profession.