How many kids- your fav technique?

[goddessnadiya]

HI Everyone!

I am often asked in my practice how many kids a person will have. This is always interesting to me in an age of reproductive choice and also our desire to explore the chart psychologically, but I am not averse to attempting an answer. I usually look to the sign placement on the 5th and any planets there to determine children.

I wondered, do you have any thoughts on the subject of predicting the number of children? Do you have any techniques or insights to share?

Thanks!

*N

[docker]

I dont know much about the subject. But i read that the sign in the 5th will help you find out. For example if cancer is the sign in the 5th, that could means 2 or more children. Some signs are good for kids and some others not. for example Virgo maybe means that they are not good indicators for kids. Also Fire and Air indicates male kids and the rest girl. Of course you should look other things as the planets inside of the 5th and their aspects, the Moon, Sun (the physical ruler of 5th-also life) and the ruler of 5th and its aspects.

Docker

[Vagabondgirl]

I would like to find out this in my chart. But Astrologer 50 keeps telling me that I should use equal house placidius because Im from the northern hemisphere, but this would change my entire horoscope!

My 5th house in unequal house system is leo (with no planets) and in equal house its libra with sun in it!

And if leo is the ruler of the 5th house naturally, how come leo is a barren sign for the 5th house???

[docker]

I know that you are right about Leo. Somewhere I read that when the moon is in Leo it is difficult to give children. The same is for Aries in 5th but not for Libra. Also Virgo is a barren sign. I can't help you out with the house system choice. Perhaps a Moderator can help you out with this. :( Sorry

Docker

[Virinchi]

i use K.P with vedic chart(not totally vedic. houses are unequal placidus)
5th cusp sublord is 1st kid, 7th cusp sublord is 2nd kid, 9th cusp sublord is 3rd kid (since 7th is 3rd to 5th, and 3rd is siblings house and so on..)
but one person may have only one or two kids or even more
to know the number, see vimsottari dasas and they along with transits should be favourable.
if a person's most fav dasas and transits ends with 9th cusp sublord, he'l have only 3 kids

ofcourse i know this might e confusing but i cant explain the technique in 1 post.
it took lots of research and experience to arrive at this method

[Vagabondgirl]

Ok, Ive always used the unequal house. And most people do?

I have virgo moon too:( but its conjuncting venus and mars. I think Im rather fertile (easy to conceive) but I lost the pregnancy that time...

[Virinchi]

mars+moon is not good for females
they'll have some issues related to blood
and if its virgo, then stomach area

[Vagabondgirl]

Well, mum has moon conjunct mars, she has 9 kids! And very healthy even today. She is very athletic for her age...

[Virinchi]

she may not have them in virgo

[Vagabondgirl]

Mars comes first then venus is inbetween mars and moon. Maybe it helps a tiny bit? I hope!:tongue:

Heres my chart again if you want to see....

[Vagabondgirl]

she may not have them in virgo

No, she has them in sagittarius. But isnt there a sagitarrius problem for her then?

[Virinchi]

your past is because of Rahu (going back to vedic method) which gives results of debilitated venus effects from virgo
mars, moon, venus are too close to each other

[Virinchi]

acc. to vedic method ur asc, is pisces and virgo is 7th house(lower abdomen/womb area) which is afflicted.
your mom may have some other asc.

[Vagabondgirl]

Which past?

I read somewhere that mars-venus-moon conjunction means that you are fertile. And I never tried to get pregnant, it was accidental.

[Virinchi]

you must have had a miscarriage

[Vagabondgirl]

acc. to vedic method ur asc, is pisces and virgo is 7th house(lower abdomen/womb area) which is afflicted.
your mom may have some other asc.

Mum has the opposite ascendent as me: sagittarius.

Afflicted abdomen/womb = no children? :surprised:
Doctors said my womb + ovaries were in very good condition. Or is there something hidden??

[Vagabondgirl]

you must have had a miscarriage

Yes, but from an unplanned pregnancy. It ended in 6th week. Unfortunately I was drinking alkohol and much coffe at the time because I didnt know about it in the beginning.

But one question. Do you see anything in the chart indicating a normal pregnancy later in my life?

And I had colic as a child, so understand that stomach is not 100% well at all times! Mum also has stomach problems. Like sensitive intestine or something.

[Vagabondgirl]

One more thing: How can a gemini ASC become a pisces ASC??? They are completely different.

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

Anyone is free to suggest anything, Vagabondgirl, and similarly you are free to use whatever house-system you want to. No one should thrust their choice on another person. However, I would like to add that some astrologers do actively advise against Placidus in charts of natives born in extreme latitudes (though I do not know where you were born), as houses get distorted.


:)AQ7

[Vagabondgirl]

Maybe we ARE extreme people? :tongue:

Virinchi: If you see zero kids in my natal chart or with vedic astrology, just say so. I wont cry:smile:

[Virinchi]

One more thing: How can a gemini ASC become a pisces ASC??? They are completely different.

12 oct 1985, 6:30pm , bergen , NORway gave me PISCES asc in vedic
acc to this you must have a miscarriage in 2009
next attempt will be in 2013 which has better chances but no guarantee

[DiDi]

I dont know about some of these indications guys...
i am a leo moon on the mc
also aquarius 5th house pices intercepted and aries till 6 degrees there
.....in it i have saturn 6 pis and chiron 16 pisc

i had 1 girl
one miscarrage
then 1 boy
then 1 girl

I think this is such a hard topic to get right, but very interesting and the more we all look into it the better we will get for sure.

[goddessnadiya]

Wow- what an awesome conversation! Thanks so much everyone for contributing!

Vagabondgirl- I agree that we should trust our own judgement where it comes to finding the right house system. experiment with whats out there, and when you find the system that resonates with you, it will likely resonate with your clients as well.

Didi- I completely agree with you, its a fascinating subject and there is so much to know. I do not think there are hard rules, but it is always great to read others perspectives and ideas on these things :)

*N.

[Vagabondgirl]

12 oct 1985, 6:30pm , bergen , NORway gave me PISCES asc in vedic
acc to this you must have a miscarriage in 2009
next attempt will be in 2013 which has better chances but no guarantee

OK, thank you! Personally I think it is better to wait until the end of my education, and its in 2013....

[kbell]

I have Aries on 5th cusp and I have two boys. I also have chiron here and I had difficult pregnancies. I also have a child with a disability.

[flea]

Vagabond girl....8 deg orb for moon mars is quite wide. I tend to find that orb not to show a central storyline. But as always there is no better qualification than your own intuition, it hs always confounded science....but there is always an inner knowing that gets tested and honed with time.

With big questions like this I like to look at other techniques like palmistry etc....the maps of the life on the body....testing it out in a particular case. There are so many variables in asrtology it is still very difficult to pin point events ahead of time. In hindsight all becomes clear.

Positive thought and clear intention, followed by a heart based action.....good grounding for life.

FleaXXX

FleaXX

[Vagabondgirl]

Vagabond girl....8 deg orb for moon mars is quite wide. I tend to find that orb not to show a central storyline. But as always there is no better qualification than your own intuition, it hs always confounded science....but there is always an inner knowing that gets tested and honed with time.

With big questions like this I like to look at other techniques like palmistry etc....the maps of the life on the body....testing it out in a particular case. There are so many variables in asrtology it is still very difficult to pin point events ahead of time. In hindsight all becomes clear.

Positive thought and clear intention, followed by a heart based action.....good grounding for life.

FleaXXX

FleaXX


Yes, I believe there could be a different outcome with people with the same aspects. Everyone lives different lives and has different paths.

Ive heard that my venus and moon has a stronger position in my chart than mars. So I would think there would be more positive than negative energy from this stellium/conjunction? Moon is also receiving trine from both ASC and Jupiter, and sextile from saturn.

Could the sextile from saturn mean delayed childbirth? Like 30-40s? Is it also a negative aspect, since saturn is a malefic? I suppose that I will have my first child much later than all of my female relatives because of my long education..

[docker]

Please correct this. I didn't say earlier that someone who had Aries in 5th is incapable to have children. But it is harder than, lets say, Cancer which is more easy. Where is your Mars? And in what aspects? Very interesting Kbel.

Docker

[docker]

[I read that when the moon is in Leo it is difficult to give children. The same is for Aries in 5th but not for Libra.]

Please correct this. I didn't say earlier that someone who had Aries in 5th is incapable to have children. But it is harder than, lets say, Cancer which is more easy. Where is your Mars? And in what aspects? Very interesting Kbel.

Docker[/QUOTE]

[kbell]

My mars is conjunct ac widely. It's with Neptune and north node. It's well aspected.

[docker]

So, Mars conj Neptune and Asc? Xmmmmm! Very interesting.

[Moulin]

ummm i hate to be a party pooper but i have 3 kids, been pregnant 7 times and i have 5th house LEO with jupiter in there.
Jupiter trine AC/moon/venus.
sun in 1st cj mercury.

I am not sure if its possible to tell amount of kids by astrology. I think some people are just extremely fertile like myself and some just aren't. Dietary issues can inhibit fertility, as can drinking etc.

[Shining Ray]

You can research this on the net, but I haven't got a favourite technique, because I have never tested these theories.

Lets see the theories:

1. The 5th house rules your own children

2. The 11th house rules those of a partners/11th House is 5th house from the 7th. The seventh rules relationships/marriage partner. Amongst other things.

3. If these houses are unoccupied, apparently look to the parental houses (4th-10th)

4. Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces are said to be fruitful, so all water signs give a large family.

5. Gemini and Sagittarius fruitful too and are good for Twins apparently. So a rule of thumb is mutable signs and water signs are good.

6. The barren signs are Aries Leo and Capricorn, two fire and limiting Capricorn/small family

The signs on Asc/5th answer if the family is big/small

Look to the nature of planets in 5th house/aspects etc.

Moon-Venus-Neptune = female

sun-Mars-Jupiter- Saturn- Uranus = male. I thought Saturn could be both too, I read something about both the fem/masc nature of Saturn by Elizabeth Greene in Relating.

Mercury indifferent

It gives me headache, but I am nearly 31 and have one child and not planning too many, but maybe one more if the urge takes me. I have Virgo rising - Capricorn on the 5th - 3 planets in Pisces +++ Jupiter in Leo should score a point :biggrin: + although my partners child has a large stellium in Leo, we clash a bit, I am too sensitive for loud children. Ruler of 5th (Saturn) not doing well ill placed in 1st in Virgo opposite Sun in Pisces----, I am unwed, but that is OK we are in the modern age. I would be scorned at back in 1930 or whatever. I have Venus in 5th + she likes it there.

Results

I give myself five plus
And five minus

I even out, so two kids is OK for me. Be amazed at my professional skills. I have a boy but he is very charming and lovely and serious, takes after his mum (Venus).

Perhaps someone should do a study to test how these techniques work out in reality. There is some text in traditional books that serve only to frighten people. However, in some cases it can be correct and in others it falls way off the mark.

I got pregnant at the degree of my Venus in Capricorn 5th house (25). I could sell these priceless astro-theories.

[Vagabondgirl]

ummm i hate to be a party pooper but i have 3 kids, been pregnant 7 times and i have 5th house LEO with jupiter in there.
Jupiter trine AC/moon/venus.
sun in 1st cj mercury.

I am not sure if its possible to tell amount of kids by astrology. I think some people are just extremely fertile like myself and some just aren't. Dietary issues can inhibit fertility, as can drinking etc.

Yeah, its what I meant. Also genetic and compatible with the partner, many factors. My mum has 9 kids and 1 miscarriage, and my other family members have many also. So it would be strange if I were completely barren, even though I have leo at 5th cusp:sideways:

[Moulin]

yup... i agree Vagabond... and

"Aries and Leo are barren signs" is just not true (it might be in horary etc but not for me)

I have 5th leo and everything else pretty much in Aries :biggrin:

[Vagabondgirl]

Can I use the equal chart instead of unequal and use libra as the 5th ruler? Cause it changes the whole sign from barren leo to not so barren libra....

[kbell]

So, Mars conj Neptune and Asc? Xmmmmm! Very interesting.

hmm I looked at my chart and Mars isn't that well aspected after all lol. It's kind of a mixed bag.

Exact opposition moon.
Mars square jupiter
Mars sextile pluto (my only personal planet not to square pluto though)
Mars trine chiron
Mars conj AC
Mars conj Neptune
Mars square MC
Saturn bq mars
vertex bq mars

I wonder if looking at the Arabic part of children is helpful. I've found arabic parts to be pretty right on. Mine is at Sagi 14 37 so Sagittarius is still fertile and that's conjunct my mars.

Finding the arabic part of children is ASC + Saturn - Jupiter for morning birth and ASC + Jupiter - Saturn for pm

http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php I use this calculator

[Moulin]

LOL

mine is 16' Sagittarius :innocent:
8th house LOL
trine my saturn/moon/NN/venus/moon
square pluto