Bill Clinton's Chart

[23]

Hello

Just another chart that I would like to do for practice. Anyone care to join?

Bill Clinton

http://www.extonbiz.com/images/AdvancedBClinton.GIF

I suppose the obvious things are the stellium in the first house in libra - mars and nept conj asc - very deceptive maybe and ambitious/aggressive. Otherwise, very charming, jolly, "healing".

Sun in Leo in 11th - social/community with many wishes (and lots of friends) and bold, firey, passionate. Big cat and warm. Many probably found him entertaining.

Cancer MC - any interpretations? a shrewd and emotional and motherly?
Ruler of MC - moon in 8th - sexual thoughts :), penetrating his career through emotions or some deep emotional context to his career or dealing emotionally with other people's money? Moon 8th/taurus - fixed emotions and penetrating emotions.

Saturn in 10th - leo - pity it is detrimental but otherwise, a long career with much stability. Also Mercury falls in 10th/leo - career minded mind with fixed opinions.

Uranus - 9th/gem - maybe a challenger/revolutionary to law/politics/philosopher and thought with his speech/communication. Conj with north node - his path.

South node falls in Sag in 3rd - indulgence or riskiness through talk. Surely this must have something to do with his affairs.

2nd house cusp -sco - make money through penetrating or regenerating/breaking down something
Pluto ruler of 2nd in 11th - regeneration/change of community. Also conj mercury - understands the power of thought and uses the power of thought.
6th house cusp - pisces - compassionate in his service, sees his services as maybe making the world come together and to dissolve into.
Nep in first - uses his personality in his service/work. Also see the aspects it has to mars/venus - probably some sexual issues here. His ability to deceive and charm (venus) and have sex (mars). Notice venus is the ruler of his 8th house.
Also Libra ascendant - makes him charming and initiator and also probably adds interest in law. With Aries dc, seeks strong, conquering and independent partner. Haven't seen Hilary's chart yet but it could sound like her.
5th house cusp - aqu - erratic and cool relationships. Probably a friend more than a lover.
Ruler in gemini and 9th - ability to get love through communicating in sag-based areas - politics/law etc.

Sun sq moon - conflict between self and inner self.
mars conj nep and ven conj nep - some sort of ability to deceive others in the matter of the hearts? Looking for a spiritual connection or complete connection in love matters?
His MC also squares nep/mars/ven - affairs have probably damaged his path to the future.
Jupiter conj chiron - healer and counsel/advocate.
Jupiter conj uranus - an innovator and bringing something new to law/politics/thought/politics.

Also heavy emphasis on top end of chart (but also heavy on personal emphasis - 1st house) and the eastern side - public focus.

Please add your bit!

[Miss Saturn]

Hi 23,

Looking at his chart, his 8th house Moon in Taurus really stood out for me and the whole "Monica Lewinsky" Sex scandal.

Moon in Taurus (Physical body) Moon represents female and 8th house Hidden/Secret Life/Sex.

Ruler of Taurus Venus is in the first house of Self-expression.

Aspects of Venus

Venus conjunct Mars again sexual relations with female

Venus conjunct Neptune Love/Deception/Victim

Venus in the first house and conjunct Ascendant all the Venus traits above, are greatly emphasized in the personality, and figure strongly in his life.

Mars conjunct the first house sexuality/Leader emphasized.

The Venus/Mars/Neptune square the M.C/Career/Public challenging his sexual
affairs with female/Monica brought to the public eye, affecting his Career. Just backing up what you said 23 about the deception of the sexual affair, and the damage it has done to his career.

Again with the Moon in the 8th it rules his Tenth house - Woman/Sex/Made Public within Career.

Moon in 8th square Sun in 11th - Sexual Relations with woman challenging his self image/ego within his associates and friends in politics.

The Venus conjunct Mars connection back to the 8th house Taurus Moon - strongly indicates the sexual relations, with Monica.

Miss S

[Miss Saturn]

Bill Clintons Career

Now I have the whole "Sex Scandal" out of my system lets look at indicaters of Career.

Sun in Leo in 11th - 11th house represents Politics/Associates/Organisations
Sun in Leo - Leader of these groups.

Cancer M.C Ruler of Career/ Moon the ruler of Cancer is in Taurus/8th
The 8th rules other peoples money/tax inheritances
Generally meaning a Career involving other peoples resources/money

The Moon challenges the Sun from 8th to 11th - other peoples money involved in Politics.

Cancer Midheaven

This suggests that your proffessional arena - Catering to the emotional needs of the public is a very likely role for you. Inclination to mother the world - Your private life can be caught up in your business life - The condition of the Moon by Sign, House AND Aspect will tell more of how Bills nurturing and instinctual abilities may be employed proffessionally, as well as revealing how easily a proffessional position may be secured.

Well Bills Moon is in Taurus in 8th working with other peoples money/resources aspecting his Sun in Leo/11th house - Leader in Politics/Groups

Mercury in Leo 10th- Mental capabilities finding an outlet as a spokesperson/Anything to with communication. Seeks recognition for mental powers. Mercury in Leo has a distinctive and humerous verbal style. Identifys strongly with the way you think and takes pride in doing so.

Aspects to Mercury

Mercury sextile Venus - Charm with words.

Mercury sextile Mars - Your sharp and witty mind lights the way.

Mercury conjuncts Saturn - Communication involved in career. More so with this placement being in the 10th house. The correct development and use of mental equipment is utterly important.

Mercury sextile Neptune - Imaginative mind/subtle poetic perception of the world.

Mercury conjunct Pluto - When it comes down to it you have an extremely profound mentality. At the very least you have a knack of getting to the very root of the matter. Be careful all this mental profundity of your thinking doesn't turn to mind games and mental conceit.

Mercury Ruler of Ninth - Rules foreign matters/law/philosophy/travel.

Saturn in Leo - Bill is learning to build true inner confidence, and maintain a healthy sense of ego without being pompous or inordinately in need of admiration. Saturn in 10th Bill is learning to amount to something in this world which will be very testing. Wordly success is supposed to be for Bill. But he may have to fall or sink very low before Bill will realize the true meaning and importance of amounting to something.

Miss S

[wilsontc]

23,

Thanks for posting the chart! Looking at this chart holistically (I LOVE that word! ;) ), Bill has a bundle chart:

From Tracy Marks' "The Art of Chart Interpretation:":
Bundle pattern - "All planets are contained within a trine - 120 degrees, or...a maximum of 130 degrees...self-contained, focused personality who resourcefully concentrates...[their] energy upon a limited area of life, indicated by the signs and houses occupied by planets...This individual...has the capacity to develop...[their] resources to the utmost...[the first planet to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise] often indicates energy which may be used to achieve in the area of life indicated by the far midpoint of the bundle."

This indicates Bill tends to have "tunnel vision" - single-minded focus on achieving his goals. The Leo Sun you described is energy used to achieve in life and the 5th house (ruled by Sun!) is where Bill wants to achieve. However, the Moon is outside the bundle and so does not "connect in" to this focus of Bill's bundle. As a result, Moon energy tends to act on its own, disconnected from Bill and his goals.

And what a Moon! Taurus (physical, also desires) modifying Moon (home, also emotions, unconscious) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also sex): unconscious, emotional desire for sex, anyone? ;) AND the Moon is the least aspected planet (strong energy) in the chart, which disconnects it even MORE from the other planetary energies.

Holistically,

Tim

[franklin taylor]

Hello,
Quite a fellow the Ex-president is. I met him in 1986. He had "something" about him I didn't understand at the time. He sure seemed to love hugging the ladies there. Concerning his chart, He was blessed and cursed with all those Conjunctions.

Venus Conjunction Neptune can indicate a weak will (Neptune) with sex affairs( Venus sextile Pluto) of one's choice. An ease of falling in love (usually confused (Neptune)with Lust) Being in the first house means it's probably was or would be obvious sooner or later publicly. Idealization of Love and a fantisizer. One has a desire for harmony in society and Neptune's influence can bring about disruptions and confusion within personal relationships. I also had a business man's chart with this same aspect and admittedly had the same problem with women except his V/N was conjunct in Scorpio and in the twelveth where he was able to keep it hidden and Hush Hush for a long time.

Venus in Libra indicates an ease of falling in love. A romantic and more than one at a time even. Refined social manners certainly a good conversationalist. Balance, always seeking balance, in his life and with those the native interacts with.

With Mars in Libra, its Fall position, the energy is more irratic. It too can indicate impulsive behavior in one's sex life. Not always the aggressive one in this respect. (you know he did have his "groupies") Artistic talent and writing ability. Aggressively seeking "fairplay" and balance amongst his fellow man. He is able to make a strong good first impression. Which he did with me!

Jupiter in Libra can point to a strong charisma and a magnetic personality. Ability to make friends in all levels of society above and below. May try to be a friend to everyone (which is not possible, especially being a politician) Luck through marriage concerning social positioning and wealth to any given degree. Many friends, not just for what one can gain from them but for real. Natives tend to gain through partnerships rather than going it alone.

Mercury conjunct Saturn gives intellect with a stubborn streak. It gives a native long patience or "long suffering" as some call it. He can endure many obstacles (you know he has hehe). Can cause over-analzying (Mercury) everything which makes him prone to depression when reality (Saturn) kicks in. Saturn in the tenth house can indicate status and social standing (eventually) and Mercury may indicate reaching that social status attained through intellect.

Mercury conjunct Pluto points to a very sharp mind that penetrates right through the person he chooses to analyze. Able to bring healing and change(Pluto) by merely talking or writing (Mercury). You know he has for good or ill. A powerful conjuction. This conjunction can bring about nervous disorders from having to over analyze things and people and combinig it with Pluto's strong temperament.

The sun in the eleventh house is great for making friends. Friends that can help you up the ladder. (God knows he would need it being from such humble beginings). Strong creativity and very idealistic. Pluto so place here gives the native a strong dominate presence amongst his friends and an intense loyalty to them. (You know he is loyal at least to his friends). The bad aspects of the Sun here is a proneness to be domineering with friends also) Pluto here can also indicate a great sorrow from the loss of many friends through death. He did seem sincere in this respect. He did mourn the loss of friends even if he was partially responsible. (the guilt he must have though again he was only partially involved!)
Uranus in the ninth house can indicate sudden long travels. A broad interest in offbeat subjects. A desire to widen the scope of ones intellect with ninth being an expansion of one's third house. Long travels to learn which He did his stint in Oxford and being a Rhodes Scholar.

Exalted Moon in Taurus gives stability to one's emotions. Can be an "anchor" in determination and a concentration powerhouse. (look where he made it to!) Takes his time creating opinions. Being in the eighth house he's probably good with other people's money though he may not be so good with his own at times, and seeks/seeked an upward social status at an almost subconsicous level. Moon in the eighth house and concerning eighth house matters could mean he has a tangible phychic ability. Highly sexual. I have read that Moon's placement here can indicate an early loss of the mother, but its not a given. Although he lost his mom while he was president he had lost his real father while an infant or earlier I think.

I can say he was quite the fellow to keep everyone on his toes. You did not know what was happening next. His chart is not unlike many presidents ( if you will look at them) in where all/most of the planets lie. The Upper Left and Eastern Hemisphere. These individuals are those who can bend the environment to their will and they strive to foucus on themselves and their own "agendas" in order to succeed and attain. Look and see them (pres charts).Although I did not always respect things or actions this President did , but he is the only "True Commoner" that "busted his hump" to become the most powerful Man in the US and maybe the world. His chart lays out for it. He truly had no "Sliver Spoon in his mouth" at birth unlike many presidents before and the one since. According to Astrology my August twelveth Birthday is suppose to indicate I like the "underdog" which is mostly true even if I don't care for the rest of the package in some cases. No one's perfect.
Take Care.
Franklin

[23]

Thanks for all the analyses guys. All very enlightening!

I am in a bit of a rush at the moment (will add more some more stuff later on) and I can't answer these posts thoroughly but I
forgot to note his sun and venus are both in their natural signs, and if I could think of two planets that would define him, it would be these because he is known to be a leader that has a sense of humour but also a very charming man too (apart from all the sex stuff).

(Tim - thanks for the holistic approach. That and just general patterns are a bit of a struggle for me. I've tried to figure out the display of planets in my chart and can't figure out what I have. Do you know of any good resources on the net I could use?)

[wilsontc]

23,

One good astrological resource on the net is in the signature line below! ;) Also, look for chart patterns and aspect patterns. One source for chart patterns is in section 10.0 of this website:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm

One source for aspect patterns is:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html

Although not every person's chart has a definite pattern and not every person's chart has aspect patterns, when they do it can save a LOT of time, since the chart pattern quickly shows the overview of the chart and the aspect patterns show the areas in life where they naturally focus their attention.

Holistically,

Tim

[Miss Saturn]

Bill Clintons Chart Reading (Self Notes)

Elements -

Fire 5 includes (South Node)
Earth 1
Air 6
Water 0

Modes

Cardinal 5
Fixed 5
Multable 2 (South Node)

6 Planets above Horizon
4 Planets below Horizon

8 Planets Left of Chart
2 Planets Right of Chart

Beginnings 4
Development 0
Achievement 2
Maturity 4

Action/Identity - Being - 4 planets Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Neptune all in Libra 1st House.
Security/Emotional - Transformation - 1 Planet Moon Taurus 8th House
Learning/Identity - Expansion - 1 Planet Uranus Gemini 9th House
Action/Material - Duty - 2 Planets Mercury, Saturn in Leo 10th House
Social/Security - Friends - 2 Planets Sun, Pluto, in Leo 11th House

Ruler of Chart Venus

Angular Planets (Planets in charge) Venus, Mars, Neptune.

The Big Three, Ascendant Libra, Sun Leo, Moon Taurus.

[Miss Saturn]

Bill Clintons Chart Interpretation

Bill has most of his energy and needs focused on to outer world, he has an outer world focus. He is also extremely focused on himself and on developing himself personally without depending on others to assist him. Bill is learning an understanding of the world to personally achieve his goals, which in turn will help in the outer world.

Bill approaches the world Mentally. He is people orientated, very social and seeks knowledge. He is always ready to start a new relationship or friendship, he loves learning situations. The problem is that he can bore easily.

Here is someone who can respond very quickly and directly, with no holds barred. Too much impulsiveness he is ardent and spontaneous. Favours action and activity. He is ready to go someplace, do something create something, he has a lot of fixity, there is a strong adventurous spirit and of course with lots of confidence. (unfinished still needs a tidy here and there)

[wilsontc]

Saturn,

Nice job using the information at my website! I like the tight, compact description you have gotten from using the "keyword" information! :) The only thing I suggest is to change the idea of him being "Partnership driven". That would indicate a focus on the 7th house (relationships). In fact, the only "relationships" energy he has is all about himself (1rst house)! So he is very SELF driven (8 out of 10 planets on the "self" side of the chart; 4 planets focused on "action and identity" issues (1rst house) ). So relationships energy is driven through this "selfish" focus: "What have you done for ME lately" might be a typical expression of Bill's idea about relationships! ;)

Also, you might use the "keywords" from the website to display the chart information this way:
Identity - 5 (includes South node)
Material - 1
Social - 6
Emotional - 0

Action - 6
Security - 5
Learning - 2 (includes South node)

6 planets in "outer world"
4 planets in "inner world"

8 planets in "self"
2 planets in "other"

Just LOOKING at this even non-astrologers could tell here is is someone whose energies are very social with their identity, very active, and resist change; who lives in the outer world and focuses on themselves! :)

Relating to self,

Tim

[Miss Saturn]

Thanks Tim,

I think this is where I get confused in Astrology, thinking the all the planets in Libra meant he was more relationship focused, instead of thinking of the planets being in the first house his identity, (me, me, me).

I have to read things through about 200 times before they sink in my head. Thanks for telling me Tim before I was about to write 20 pages on his relationships.

Also I will have to remember Sign modifies Planet and is focused on the Physical House.

Miss S

[franklin taylor]

Miss Saturn,
Saturn in Leo - Bill is learning to build true inner confidence, and maintain a healthy sense of ego without being pompous or inordinately in need of admiration. Saturn in 10th Bill is learning to amount to something in this world which will be very testing. Wordly success is supposed to be for Bill. But he may have to fall or sink very low before Bill will realize the true meaning and importance of amounting to something.

I think he learned his first lesson in the political (public life (10th house) realm in 1980 when he did not get reelected for a second term as Arkansas Governor he had pulled some stunts that angered the electorate. He was reelected in 84' and a big speech slogan of his was "I learned from my mistakes". I am sure it is a "Broad Spectrum" political statement, that doesn't always work, but it did for him. It is odd he doesn't have planets in the Development and only the Moon (which is plenty) and outer planet Uranus in the achievement sectors of his Natal Chart. I don't think he rolled over in bed one morning and everything he had ever accomplished had been done for him, but he certainly was looking out for number one or he would not have gotten where he is. If you would look at numerous other US presidents (East and upper East quadrant hemisphere Bundle Charts) their charts are very similiar to his so they probably have the same outlooks and tendencies. But if one is sure of himself and realizes for sure what he wants early enough in life he had the "energies" to mold his surroundings to his dreams.
Take Care.
Franklin

[Miss Saturn]

I have tried your key words Tim and it is very helpful, I should have tried it ages ago, I guess I was being stubborn in my learning. I have never used the process of sign first which modifys the planet, and the energy is focused on the house issues. Lots of people probably use this method. I interpret things separately and only get bits and peices right on an interpretation. I will be trying all this on my own chart, I have been getting quite stuck in bringing it all together. I was going to do a practice interpretation on Bill Clintons chart. I think I will practice more key words first before I jump in and get half of it wrong. I will read more of your posts on here to double check I am interpreting right. I guess I have always thought I will do it my own way Uranus in my third house possibly.

Thanks Tim

Miss S

[Miss Saturn]

Hi Franklin,

I have never really followed Politics so a bit unsure of how it has worked for Bill Clinton. I guess the whole Saturn in 10th, there have been testing times in his career, and as you cleverly pointed out in the slogan he has "I have learned from my mistakes" (I love to see astrology working like this, celebrities or everyday people using exact phrases to describe a placement/Aspect).

Yes I would have to think you would need a lot self interest to get you to a high position in your career, not needing anyone to help, not thinking of others, but on how he is going to achieve his dreams.

Thankyou for explaining the politics to me, I really liked the way you picked up on the phrase of his Leo/Saturn/10th placement.

Miss S

[23]

Miss Saturn,
Saturn in Leo - Bill is learning to build true inner confidence, and maintain a healthy sense of ego without being pompous or inordinately in need of admiration. Saturn in 10th Bill is learning to amount to something in this world which will be very testing. Wordly success is supposed to be for Bill. But he may have to fall or sink very low before Bill will realize the true meaning and importance of amounting to something.

I think he learned his first lesson in the political (public life (10th house) realm in 1980 when he did not get reelected for a second term as Arkansas Governor he had pulled some stunts that angered the electorate. He was reelected in 84' and a big speech slogan of his was "I learned from my mistakes". I am sure it is a "Broad Spectrum" political statement, that doesn't always work, but it did for him. It is odd he doesn't have planets in the Development and only the Moon (which is plenty) and outer planet Uranus in the achievement sectors of his Natal Chart. I don't think he rolled over in bed one morning and everything he had ever accomplished had been done for him, but he certainly was looking out for number one or he would not have gotten where he is. If you would look at numerous other US presidents (East and upper East quadrant hemisphere Bundle Charts) their charts are very similiar to his so they probably have the same outlooks and tendencies. But if one is sure of himself and realizes for sure what he wants early enough in life he had the "energies" to mold his surroundings to his dreams.
Take Care.
Franklin

Yes, sounds all very good. The saturn in leo/10th would suit someone who is a leader of a country very much. That is one of the first things I noticed in his chart apart from the Libran stellium. Anyway, it gives us detrimented saturn people hope :)

Sorry I had to go off an do my own chart so I could understand the categories from Tim's site. yes, the holistic chart certainly matches Bill. I was flicking through Teddy's chart and noticed a similar emphasis on the top eastern quadrant, although not the sun and saturn like Bill's chart.

Teddy's - http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/RooseveltTheodore.htm

But look at Monica's - Taurean moon and arian mars in 7th - no wonder she liked Bill! And his moon in her 8th - emotional sex. Plus all his stuff floating in her 12th house (except jupiter of his stellium) - both secretive yet such an impact on her public perception. Her mars in his 7th - again sexual relationship. His sun conj her venus. Her pluto conj his mars and neptune - she must have had some sexual power of him and managed to ignite his neptune somehow. Also her neptune trine his saturn - might indicate some father-figure thing happneing here. This is fatal! Both leo with lib asc

Monica - http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/famouscharts/lewinskycht.htm

[franklin taylor]

Hello 23,
That so odd, I had went to Monica's Chart on Bob Marks Site while I was writing this last letter and had seen they had those same Moons, her Mars in the seventh and they were both Libra Rising, very odd. I consider Bob's site very helpful I like his Asteroid interpetations really well also. I had ignored the other aspects between Bill and her except for Mars because I had company drop by and I was distracted. I have nothing to do outside its over a 100 degrees out there even now so I thought I read or write here awhile.

Miss Saturn, I lived here in Arkansas for a large part of my life so I have had my can full of Bill Clinton. Ticked my father-in-Law off at me when I laughed about when, on TV, Clinton's makeup was running off his the side of his face were Hillary had whopped him. I wonder if Neptune and Mars were in close transit in his chart that day he revealed this Deceptive (Neptune) affair and she broke out in violence (Mars). I'd say it was just life. Don't misinterpet me, I am loyal and sentimental in relationships. It angers me to see people even act otherwise probably a little too sensitive. I am more of a Cancer than a Leo Sun I'd swear!
Take Care.
Franklin

[23]

Hello 23,
That so odd, I had went to Monica's Chart on Bob Marks Site while I was writing this last letter and had seen they had those same Moons, her Mars in the seventh and they were both Libra Rising, very odd. I consider Bob's site very helpful I like his Asteroid interpetations really well also. I had ignored the other aspects between Bill and her except for Mars because I had company drop by and I was distracted. I have nothing to do outside its over a 100 degrees out there even now so I thought I read or write here awhile.


I hope you survive the heat, I hear all of the US is heatwaving at the moment.

I have to look at their chart more thoroughly but having the same sun, moon and asc makes you wonder if they were falling for themselves, if you know what I mean.

I have to look at Hillary's sometime as well. I know she's a sco, so to start with, there's that clash there betwen her and Bill, albeit not squaring.

[wilsontc]

Saturn,

You said:
I have tried your key words Tim and it is very helpful...I have never used the process of sign first which modifys the planet, and the energy is focused on the house issues. Lots of people probably use this method. I interpret things separately and only get bits and peices right on an interpretation...I think I will practice more key words first before I jump in and get half of it wrong...

I came to a "key words" approach and using the "astro-sentence" (SIGN modifies PLANET focused on HOUSE) VERY late in my astrological efforts. I had such good luck with it and saved so much time (and space) in my interpretations that I have made it my life work to share it with as many people as possible.

Actually, many people use the "details" method: look up a lot of separate aspect interpretations, string them together, and hope that something comes out the other end! ;) As a result, people new to astrology are often told that "putting it all together" is the MOST difficult thing any astrologer can do and takes MANY years of practice. I simply have learned to start at the other end: interpret the chart as whole FIRST and THEN see how all the details reinforce the "big picture."

I like all your posts and I encourage you to keep posting "early and often," using the "key words" approach if you like it and find it useful. Sometimes you may get some interpretations slightly off or someone may disagree with an interpretation...but that is how we learn! When I had reached a point in my interpretations where I had learned as much as I could on my own...I began to post to the web, figuring if I got it wrong, someone would correct me! And they have MANY times! And I learned new things from the experience! :)

Learning all the time,

Tim

[Miss Saturn]

Also with learning Tims approach, I looked at the natal chart of George W Bush. Franklin was saying that with presidents they are very self focused. Well George Bush has all Ten planets on the left side of his chart, Extremely me, me, me. I have a good interpretation of his chart which I found, I will post it on another thread.

Miss S