The Finger Of God. (Yod)

[vivienne]

Dear reader(s).
Today, I am trying learn about the 'Finger Of God'.
Two planets (they must be slower moving than the apex planet) that are seperated by a sextile. These two planets both create a quincunx aspect to a third - which is known as the apex planet. So, the resulting image in the chart is like a rather narrow triangle. The moon can not be one of the sextiling planets as it is the fastest planet, and Pluto can not be the apex planet as it is the slowest, if the configuration is to be considered a 'true' Yod, or Finger of God configuration. (Basically the apex planet must be faster than the 2 sextiling planets!)
It is considered that this is a stressful and challenging configuration, but once mastered wonderful results can be yielded.
I have this configuration in my chart (I only realised after a friend pointed it out, can't believe I never realised before!)
My pluto is sextiling my neptune. Both these planets are in quincunx to the sun. Pluto is in exact conjunction with my IC at 22degrees. Neptune is in saggitarius in the 5th at 24 degrees. My sun is in taurus at 22 degrees 10th house. My sun is in opposition to uranus - hitting the midpoint of the sextiling pluto and neptune!!!! I am at a complete loss as to how to 'decipher' what this means. The areas of my life which are blocked are creativity/emotional/career, which makes sense when considerng this configuration. I do not know what to do with it though..... anyone care to help me untangle the Finger of God?!
Kind regards
Vivienne.

[lillyjgc]

Vivienne,
Firstly, welcome to the forum.
I'm very interested in yods...With transits we have been having a couple of yods operating lately for all of us.
I think it might be helpful for us if you can post up your chart. I think more clearly with the image in front of me.
Here's a link explaining how you do it.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

Cheers
Lilly

[vivienne]

Hi Lilly!
Many thanks for replying and the warm welcome :)
I have got my chart up in my pictures, do I need to post it as an attatchment to the topic? Sorry, technically challenged! I'll have a read of the link you posted in your reply.
Vivienne.

[vivienne]

I hope this works - my chart should be attatched here....

[EJ53]

1. Prior to your birth, Neptune/Pluto were last conjunct in Gemini around 1890.....Starting a cycle that appears to be about "worldwide social changes"......And your Sagittarius Neptune/Libra Pluto sextile may be about disolvnig "religious" taboos which prevent equality in relationships.

2. Uranus/Neptune were last conjunct in Capricorn around 1821.....Commencing a cycle of government reform/improved conditions for the masses......And your Scorpio Uranus/Sagittarius Neptune semi-sextile may be about breaking down the psychological fear which prevents the disolving of religious taboos.

3. Uranus/Pluto were last conjunct in Virgo around September 1965.....Perhaps beginning a cycle of "original thinking about change".....And your Scorpio Uranus/Libra Pluto semi-sextile might focus this upon breaking down the psychological fears that prevent change.

4. So, we might conclude that Uranus/Neptune/Pluto are working together to remove the fears/phobias/taboos of society which are restricting "individual growth"........And, that all your generation are engaged upon that task...(whether consciously, semi-consciously or unconsciously).

5. However, for you, sun at the Yod apex personalises this task.....focusng on Taurus/10th house (career).........So, you may be here to break down the fears relating to "loss of security/career" which inevitably accompany social changes.

[astrologer50]

sometimes it's easier to break them down into quincunxs to start analysing

Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm)
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html (http://asphodelea.com/yods.html)
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml (http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology))
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331 (http://realastrologers.com/?p=331)
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html (http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html)
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm (http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm)
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html (http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html)

I also notice you are having your saturn return, a very poignant time :sad:

Saturn Return
Saturn takes 30 years or so to complete its circuit around the zodiac so events that occur around the age of 29-30, 58-59 and 80-81 will be of great significance to the native, depending on the strength and aspects to natal saturn.
http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html (http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html)
http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn.html (http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn.html)
http://www.saturnreturn.net/what_is.html (http://www.saturnreturn.net/what_is.html)
http://www.examiner.com/x-2766-Atlan...-Saturn-return (http://www.examiner.com/x-2766-Atlanta-Astrology-Examiner~y2009m6d14-Congratulations-youre-30-and-have-survived-your-first-Saturn-return)
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/dysfunctional-saturn (http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/dysfunctional-saturn)

[vivienne]

Dear EJ53 & astrologer50. Thankyou both for your replies - I will say more after a bit of 'information digestion'!
My saturn return is ok, SO FAR.. nothing disastrous to report. A little while back saturn was conjunct my moon, and that was particuarly horrific :sad:, so i'm glad that's over. My dad got ill, and died, his sun was conjunct my moon, so saturn was conjunct his gentle virgo sun, and his rising sign was capricorn. Emotionally it was one of the toughest times in my life, and the result of it being that I have dissolved a fair few relationships with ppl that had been in my life and causing too many upsets. Natal Jupiter conjunct saturn (and saturn in transit) 'lightens' it a bit too, I think - so far the effects are one's of commitments, I got engaged at the start of the saturn return :biggrin:
I look forward to more astro chat with you both soon. I'm still learning how to navigate my way around this site!
Vivienne.

[astrologer50]

Well Saturn is the Lord of Karma, sorry to hear about your father, was Pluto conj his Asc to?

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[waybread]

Dear reader(s).
Today, I am trying learn about the 'Finger Of God'.
Two planets (they must be slower moving than the apex planet) that are seperated by a sextile. These two planets both create a quincunx aspect to a third - which is known as the apex planet. So, the resulting image in the chart is like a rather narrow triangle. The moon can not be one of the sextiling planets as it is the fastest planet, and Pluto can not be the apex planet as it is the slowest, if the configuration is to be considered a 'true' Yod, or Finger of God configuration. (Basically the apex planet must be faster than the 2 sextiling planets!)
It is considered that this is a stressful and challenging configuration, but once mastered wonderful results can be yielded.
I have this configuration in my chart (I only realised after a friend pointed it out, can't believe I never realised before!)
My pluto is sextiling my neptune. Both these planets are in quincunx to the sun. Pluto is in exact conjunction with my IC at 22degrees. Neptune is in saggitarius in the 5th at 24 degrees. My sun is in taurus at 22 degrees 10th house. My sun is in opposition to uranus - hitting the midpoint of the sextiling pluto and neptune!!!! I am at a complete loss as to how to 'decipher' what this means. The areas of my life which are blocked are creativity/emotional/career, which makes sense when considerng this configuration. I do not know what to do with it though..... anyone care to help me untangle the Finger of God?!
Kind regards
Vivienne.

Vivienne, I've never read that one has to discount the Moon or Pluto in the way you suggested or look at faster/slower-moving planets. Can you cite the source? [No, I'm not the copyright police:rightful::innocent: here--I am curious enough to want to look it up.]

I could see discounting the moon if you don't have an accurate birth time, such that it could easily be out-of-orb; and also I note that angles, asteroids, and other sensitive points are not considered: just bona fide planets. As you know, a few billion people have Pluto sextile Neptune, but I believe this aspect is usually counted, as the yod configuration with these two involved is not so common.

The apex planet supposedly represents an energy that must be developed in the person's lifetime. When this happens, sometimes you see a repeat pattern in the chart that reinforces it. I just read a chart for a woman with the Moon as her yod apex, and she also had a troubled 4th house and childhood. Since the moon is also one's mother and family inheritance, it seemed to me that the yod was asking her to come to terms with her mother and family upbringing.

I think if you have Uranus at the midpoint opposing your sun in Taurus, your naturally fixed identity is constantly challenged out of its comfort zone. With the sun at the tip, your identity needs to express itself strongly in your career and public image, but you are being fast-tracked to learn how to balance Taurus's love of stability and Uranus's need for instability and clearing out old-unworkable material relating to the affairs of its house and in the manner prescribed by its sign.

In your case, the significance of your sun is reinforced by it being your chart-ruler, with Leo rising. But the kicker is that Taurus/Scorpio are intercepted signs in your chart. So in the game of life, you've been given a more challenging "course" on which to play.

Supposedly the yods are a little less troublesome to the native than the quincunxes might be individually, due to the involved sextile.

A similar but much more troublesome "pointer" is the Thor's Hammer, where the apex planet is joined by two sequi-squares (135 degrees) joined at the base by a square. Kind of a yod on steroids.

[vivienne]

I did a google search about 'yods' yesterday. One of my friends pointed out I had one and I knew nothing about them at all. I found an excerpt from a book called 'Astrology: Understanding the Birthchart' by Kevin Burk. On page 282 it says about the speed of the planets etc. I found a few other sites that say the same thing too. I am in no way an expert on anything astrological so how true it is that the apex planet has to be the fastest moving I have no idea! If you google the words 'yods fastest moving planet' then you will see some websites that mention it. I have also read stuff where people say they believe it not to be relevant, so who knows!
'Apparently' i'm very stubborn, hence a taurean sun!! Uranus in the 4th has frequently left me searching for a home I feel 'at home in', although I also have lilith in the 4th. I can only exist in a work/live space - if I can't paint at home then my home doesn't feel like home! Shame it's taken me 14 moves in the past 10 yrs to work out what I want from a home........ I have learnt to love my sun uranus opposition - it certainly scares the living daylights out of my stubborn/fixed sun though at times - ur right!
I have ordered a book about yods from amazon so it will be arriving shortly, I can't wait to read it, and share what i've learnt.
Vivienne.

[waybread]

Thanks, Vivienne" very helpful.

[EJ53]

Vivienne, I've never read that one has to discount the Moon or Pluto in the way you suggested or look at faster/slower-moving planets. Can you cite the source?

(Vivienne is correct about Kevin Burk) but for information, on page 145 of Dynamics of Aspect Analysis, Bill Tierney quotes Al H. Morrison as saying that a true Yod must have the slowest moving planet at the apex.....which caused me considerable confusion on the link below :-
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130243&postcount=52

[gaer]

Dear EJ53 & astrologer50. Thankyou both for your replies - I will say more after a bit of 'information digestion'!
My saturn return is ok, SO FAR.. nothing disastrous to report. A little while back saturn was conjunct my moon, and that was particuarly horrific :sad:, so i'm glad that's over. My dad got ill, and died, his sun was conjunct my moon, so saturn was conjunct his gentle virgo sun, and his rising sign was capricorn. Emotionally it was one of the toughest times in my life, and the result of it being that I have dissolved a fair few relationships with ppl that had been in my life and causing too many upsets. Natal Jupiter conjunct saturn (and saturn in transit) 'lightens' it a bit too, I think - so far the effects are one's of commitments, I got engaged at the start of the saturn return :biggrin:

A Saturn return simply says that Saturn returns to the same place it was when you were born. It marks a cycle. However, in your chart Saturn is conjunct Jupiter, with both trine Venus and both sextile Uranus.

Your Moon, however, is semi-sextile Pluto and square Neptune. I would think that would have been far more difficult than your actual Saturn return.

My first Saturn return was far less painful than when it transitted my Sun, Neptune and Moon, all conjunct in Libra. That happened later for me, since Saturn for me is in the 12th, and those Libra planets are in the 2nd.

I agree that the natal position of your natal Saturn "lightens the return". :)

[vivienne]

I really hope my yod, is not a yod, rather just a bunch of planets masquerading as a yod! I think my 10th/4th houses are doomed as it is - intercepted, chiron conjunct my sun and mars in 10th Pluto in the IC and uranus making a mess of the other side of the 4th!!! :crying:

[gaer]

(Vivienne is correct about Kevin Burk) but for information, on page 145 of Dynamics of Aspect Analysis, Bill Tierney quotes Al H. Morrison as saying that a true Yod must have the slowest moving planet at the apex.....which caused me considerable confusion on the link below :-
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130243&postcount=52


I remember that thread. :)

I think we can sum up by saying that different people define yods differently, so I find it useful to define all three-planet configurations that contain two inconjuncts and a sextile as yods, then simply think about how they are most likely to work together.

I won't even start to muddy up the waters by discussing whether or not "fastest/slowest" moving is based on the average speed of the planets, or the speed at which they are moving at the time the yods occur. ;)

[gaer]

I really hope my yod, is not a yod, rather just a bunch of planets masquerading as a yod! I think my 10th/4th houses are doomed as it is - intercepted, chiron conjunct my sun and mars in 10th Pluto in the IC and uranus making a mess of the other side of the 4th!!! :crying:
First of all, the sextile between Neptune and Pluto was around for quite a long time. So it was rather easy for someone born when you were to have some planet form a yod with those two outers.

Before you look at yourself as doomed, you might notice the supporting aspects you have. For instance, your Sun is so nicely trined by the Moon (Chiron also trines you Moon), so I think your yod gets some nice help. ;)

[vivienne]

So, it is a yod?!
My comments of 'doom' were said with a bucket full of humour :biggrin:
Vivienne.

[waybread]

(Vivienne is correct about Kevin Burk) but for information, on page 145 of Dynamics of Aspect Analysis, Bill Tierney quotes Al H. Morrison as saying that a true Yod must have the slowest moving planet at the apex.....which caused me considerable confusion on the link below :-
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130243&postcount=52

EJ, thanks. I have a copy of tierney's book.

Although...this raises an interesting question. If someone has the moon [the fastest moving "planet"] forming quincunxes to two planets joined by a sextile....what then?

[EJ53]

...If someone has the moon [the fastest moving "planet"] forming quincunxes to two planets joined by a sextile....what then?

The retrograde Yod......Starlink's Moon/Mars/Uranus.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130243&postcount=52

I'd say they are all "Yods", Star........differing only in the way they behave....we need to consider carefully whether/how each configuration differs in the way it operates and the type of "mission" it might be focused upon....For example, in your case, maybe the "suffering/health" planet and the "transformation" planet are reversed.......so Uranus/7th house would be where you'd experience problems which result in changes in Mars/5th (to make you a more effective "spiritual nurturer" via Moon/12th).

[lillyjgc]

Hi there,
Yods totally fascinate me-A close friend who was a dancer fell down a stair one day when a yod was formed by transit to her chart.She shattered her ankle (yes Mars and Saturn were involved!) and could not dance again. My friend is also an astrologer and it was when this happened that I started to get serious about yods.(circa 1992)

I too have read very confusing and conflicting info on the Internet about yods.
I see them in natals quite a lot and because of the confusing info I end up having to trust my own feeling about *what it means*.

From my observations any yod will operate in a natal, whether the moon is the apex or whether Pluto is.If it's the moon though at the peak, we could reasonably expect that the yod might not play as big a role long term due to progressions, but every transit to the apex I would carefully look at, because it would activate the energy of the yod (just my opinion, mind you). I also only use very tight orbs when considering whether there is actually a yod.

Any 2 planets inconjunct one another have a great deal of *adjusting* to do to reconcile the dissimilar energies.I think we all agree with that.

The 2 that are sextile at least have a degree of similarity/compatability and transits to the sextile ends don't seem to be as powerful as to the apex. I've observed.

I admit I'm a crazy blend of modern and Traditional astrology sometimes.
If I see a yod in a natal that has the pluto/nept sextile and another planet at the apex I tend to give it less significance.
Gaer, You said
First of all, the sextile between Neptune and Pluto was around for quite a long time. So it was rather easy for someone born when you were to have some planet form a yod with those two outers.

Yes and we may see more yods in charts of those born then, but that in itself is really significant I think-mabe a whole generation has to deal with the finger of god in some way! While it happened more often, it's also no coincidence that some have it and others managed to miss out. So I would certainly consider it in my delineations.

At the moment we have a couple of yods going on in transits.I've been watching these closely of course.(They keep coming up in horary!)

We could use those to discuss whether or not they fit our definitions of a yod:
Mars sextile Saturn with Venus as the apex (only just though). If I saw that in a natal I might look to see what houses Venus is ruling in the chart for clues as to how it may manifest..also noting that as Venus is fairly fast, this might not affect a person as much as their planets progress.

Personally I would count that yod in a natal.

The other yod in the chart has MARS as the apex and Venus and pluto sextile. I think that one might also operate. Yet I'm not sure which astrologers would/would not accept them. I feel concern for kids being born right now with what I see as 2 yods and Venus being involved in both of them, but one day these kids are going to be consulting astrologers about it so it's good that we are doing our homework!!!!

Vivienne, I would definitely count your yod as the sun is also on an important angle, but I would not see it as being as *serious* as a yod that had say the mars/sat (2 malefics) sextile at the base of it.
Your yod could point to *everything that the sun rules* as being a bit more significant in your life with a *generational theme* perhaps, due to Neptune/Pluto factor.
Enjoying this discussion.
Lilly


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[EJ53]

...At the moment we have a couple of yods going on in transits....Mars sextile Saturn with Venus as the apex...Mars as the apex and Venus and pluto sextile.......I feel concern for kids being born right now with what I see as 2 yods and Venus being involved in both of them, but one day these kids are going to be consulting astrologers about it so it's good that we are doing our homework
The Huber School of Astrology also describe this whole Venus/Mars/Saturn/Pluto configuration as a "bathtub", Lilly......in which the Mars/Saturn and Venus/Pluto sextiles act as walls, striving to "keep what they have at any price"...[Page 217 of Aspect Pattern Astrology by Bruno and Louise Huber/Michael Alexander Huber]

[Arian Maverick]

The Huber School of Astrology also describe this whole Venus/Mars/Saturn/Pluto configuration as a "bathtub", Lilly......in which the Mars/Saturn and Venus/Pluto sextiles act as walls, striving to "keep what they have at any price"...[Page 217 of Aspect Pattern Astrology by Bruno and Louise Huber/Michael Alexander Huber]

EJ, could you possibly elaborate more upon this? I have this "bathtub" configuration in my natal chart, and I've strived to find a name for it for years. I've referred to it as "double yod" or "two connected yods" in various posts on the forum because I hadn't located a proper name.

Arian Maverick

[StarReader]

hi everyone and thanks Vivienne for the original post

I found this discussion very interesting and informative. I found EJ53's 5 step interpretation very good.

And Gaer's comments useful---- 'different people define yods differently, so I find it useful to define all three-planet configurations that contain two inconjuncts and a sextile as yods, then simply think about how they are most likely to work together.'

But I wonder if Lilyjgc could expand on the comment -

'I feel concern for kids being born right now with what I see as 2 yods and Venus being involved in both of them'

Thanks

[waybread]

Whether or not one calls two quincunxes sharing one planet and having planets that sextile one another a "yod" or something different, that planet at the apex is going to get a double-dose of "adjustment" pressures on it, yet the sextiling planets should theoretically help out the situation considerably by virtue of their favourable aspect. The really stressful "pointer" I believe is a Thor's Hammer, with two sequi-squares plus a square.

By transit, I believe sometimes yods do appear in the charts of people when a loved one dies. Not every death of a family member requires a big adjustment by the survivors, but some do.

With two yods, the February 16 chart is interesting. Mars retrograde nearly forms the handle of a "bucket" formation--except for Saturn. I once knew someone with Mars retrograde in that "outlier" position, and I would say that developing a secure sense of his adult masculinity and assertiveness were real problems for him.

[EJ53]

EJ, could you possibly elaborate more upon this "bathtub" configuration...
Hi AM......Here's 100 words quoted from page 217 of Aspect Pattern Astrology by Bruno and Louise Huber/Michael Alexander Huber :-

"(These people) aspire to keep what they have at any price. They cleverly avoid losses, want to keep everything together and make every effort not to dissipate their energies......can often get into trouble if he thinks too simplistically. If he has put his world in order to some extent, he is at peace. However, the world can have a very disruptive effect on this peace......tendency to subjectivity and sensitivity when it comes to evaluating perceptions......to see things too positively, too rosily; they are too trusting......The learning in this figure is characterised by long and hard experience......"

Of course AM, the planets/signs/houses involved in the bathtub configuration will significantly "colour" these quoted generalities......For example, your Pluto/Mars qcx (the open top of the bathtub) points to the "IC/DC" chart segment, indicating a tendency to surrender your power to others, in order to "belong"......which the bathtub "simplistically" sees as a way to "get on with others", until the world disrupts this erroneous belief.

[Arian Maverick]

Thank you, EJ! I've always been perplexed by this configuration, which comprises every planet in my natal chart except the Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus. Perhaps I'll order this book for my birthday in less than two months; it seems like a handy reference tool.

Just out of curiosity, how would you interpret the recent bathtub configuration?

Arian Maverick

[Moulin]

I think i have a yod.

pluto 20' virgo
uranus 25' virgo

neptune 25' scorpio

venus 21' aries

Would that be right or is the orb too big? :)

[Natasha]

I have found that Yods in natal charts can reflect a person’s need to make large adjustments in their life so they move onto the next stage of their life
It seems that people with Yods may try to do a work around to keep the situation which is no longer relevant for them This seems to sometimes result in health issues coming up for them
For example someone who remain for decades at a place of work even tho they may have relocated their residence to a considerable distance away. They may keep trying alternatives like renting staying with family boarding etc and each seem to break down but they keep trying.

So they keep adjusting things so they keep the same larger situation even tho it has long outlived its usefulness or enjoyment for them

Quincunx are by their nature about adjustment but the yod seems to ask that we can make the larger adjustments to move on with our life for our own happiness and inner peace. This seems to be one of the challenges of the natal yod

[Moulin]

Actually, i have another yod..

AC 19' aquarius
Pluto 20' virgo
saturn/NN/moon/venus 18' 18' 19' 21' aries !!

does the AC count, does anyone know? :)

[EJ53]

I think i have a yod...Would that be right or is the orb too big? :)
Hi Moulin......Good to see you back on the forum.

On "cold readings", I use an orb of 1.5 degrees for the qcx and 2 degrees for the sextile......but extend that if the person is likely to be sensitive to planetary influences......(For example, people with more than a superficial "sun-sign" interest in astrology).

In your case, the "cold" Pluto/Uranus mid-point is qcx Venus and sextile Neptune......and I'd expect you to respond to the influence of the 4 degree Venus/Neptune qcx.....So "if it feels like a Yod to You", it is a Yod (imo).

[The other is a Saturn/Pluto qcx that expresses itself through your Ascendant, and therefore affects how you see (and are seen by) strangers/those who do not know you well.]
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...Perhaps I'll order this book...it seems like a handy reference tool.
For those interested in "astrological psychology" AM, the book identifies some 45 configurations (and gives guidelines on their interpretation)...but, I think it can now only be purchased directly from :-
http://www.astrologicalpsychology.org/bookspublic01/index.html (http://www.astrologicalpsychology.org/bookspublic01/index.html)

Just out of curiosity, how would you interpret the recent bathtub configuration?
I'd consider them first as two yods......Mars/Saturn/Venus perhaps being about assertiveness (Mars) and control (Saturn) in relationships (Venus)......and Venus/Pluto/Mars maybe being about inspiring/charming (Venus in Pisces) those in positions of power (Pluto in Capricorn) to empower the individual (Mars in Leo).

Then, I'd link the two yods via their common qcx......Mars in Leo/Venus in Pisces......People (Mars/Venus) struggling (qcx) to be an individual within the whole (Leo/Pisces).

Next, I'd consider how the bathtub characteristics might apply......This time, the qcx/open top relates to Venus/Mars (assertiveness in relationships) and faces the AC/MC segment (self in society)......perhaps suggesting a tendency to "simplify" life by not getting involved with "politics", until the world does something to rudely awaken them.

Finally, I'd attempt a synthesis......maybe concluding that this group is here to point the way to Aquarian Age values......when each of us will be required to make our own unique contribution to society, and "non-participation or opting-out" will no longer be allowed/tolerated.

[Moulin]

Interesting about the bath tub configuration!

Thanks EJ53 for welcoming me back :)

Scratch all of the above! I just received my chart rectification and i have Aries 23' AC. zzzzz

So sorry to waste your time :(

I still a yod.

AC aries 23' (attached to a stellium of venus 21' aries, moon 20' aries, NN 18' aries, Saturn 17' aries)
Pluto virgo 25'
uranus scorpio 25'

I have no idea what it means though except that i suppose it focuses itself on my AC :surprised:

[EJ53]

...AC aries 23' (attached to a stellium of venus 21' aries, moon 20' aries, NN 18' aries, Saturn 17' aries)...Pluto virgo 25'...Uranus scorpio 25'
Should this be Uranus virgo 25...Neptune scorpio 25?

[Moulin]

yes, sorry!
Not sure where my head was last night. :sideways:

Is it of interest that the apex of my yod attaches to my stellium or not really?
People always see me as cute, sweet and intense. Some even think i'm scorpio AC cos i'm so intense. Not in a dark way, just full on. I guess this could be my stellium all being at the apex of that yod.

Thank EJ :happy:

[EJ53]

..Is it of interest that the apex of my yod attaches to my stellium or not really?...
Yes it is, Moulin......the apex is the focal point of a Yod, where the Finger points to it's purpose......Moon/Venus/Saturn/NN in Aries/12th can be interpreted in lots of ways depending upon the keywords used, so only you can do this correctly (from personal experience/knowledge)......but for example, it could about learning to be emotionally independant in relationships with life's 12th house "victims".

[SharonsSunology]

That is what I have always believed too, because I truly respect that guy's book (Bil Tierney's book and Pluto being the exact right planet at the apex).

[Moulin]

Ok many thanks EJ :)

I get where you are coming from. I can feel the yod actually, and i can now see where it comes into my relationships :)

[StillOne]

just prowling the net on a saturday night... lone wolf style! found this link on yods that i thot had some good info:
http://darkstarastrology.com/yod/

this quote i can strongly relate to:

Alan J. Ouimet quotes the astrologer Bil Tierney (Dynamics of Aspect Analysis), describing the Yod as “arriving at a fork in the road and having to proceed in one direction rather than another without knowing where it will lead to…activation of the Yod will cause the dropping, or psychologically letting go, of certain interests and habits in order to become involved in what is showing on the horizon“. Regarding the “fork in the road”, if you take a direction other than the one God has chosen for you, then the universe is likely to give you a kick in the pants. The further you stray from the destined path, the harder the kick.
I've realized that I walk a narrow path...

[stainedBlue]

just prowling the net on a saturday night... lone wolf style! found this link on yods that i thot had some good info:
http://darkstarastrology.com/yod/


My own view of the yod differs a bit from the quote you gave. I think it's more like a fork in the road where, whichever route you decide to take, there's a nagging doubt in your mind that the other route was the better one. It's a constant conflict of which one to take, reinforced by the frequent hard knocks experienced while venturing each route, all of which leads to a lot of backtracking as you try to cover ground in both paths. However, there's an accumulation of experience from repeatedly traveling and backtracking each that eventually brings the two into harmony to become one, forming one path that the native can travel proficiently and with great wisdom.

Food for thought, at least.

[I cee]

Great link Stillone, very interesting article, also, hadn't thought of looking at the yod as midpoints.....obvious really!

Think helps get head around this configuration better:andy:

I liked this part!!!

“to develop a great sense of individuality and self confidence.*This person may have to play the role of the rescuer and the victim, over and over again, until they develop an understanding of personal and collective service. In relating to others they will explore realms of experiences that are not understood at an ordinary level as it will include collective unconscious patterns of*behavior. He or she will have to meet inner standards rather than conform to social standards of*behavior. Because of this, the person will set in motion misunderstanding and aggressive responses, from the environment.”

[waybread]

stainedBlue, this is the best description of a yod I've seen.

[I cee]

My own view of the yod differs a bit from the quote you gave. I think it's more like a fork in the road where, whichever route you decide to take, there's a nagging doubt in your mind that the other route was the better one. It's a constant conflict of which one to take, reinforced by the frequent hard knocks experienced while venturing each route, all of which leads to a lot of backtracking as you try to cover ground in both paths. However, there's an accumulation of experience from repeatedly traveling and backtracking each that eventually brings the two into harmony to become one, forming one path that the native can travel proficiently and with great wisdom.

Food for thought, at least.
I feel this too, but I put it down to my saturn rx, but maybe it is the yod after all, redoing, redoing and again!

[catastrophe]

What about a Yod that has two biQuintiles and a Quintile making the formation? My software calls it a 'palma' I guess...

I guess it probably doesn't apply anyway, because my Moon forms the apex with Jupiter and Mars in this formation...

[Bina]

What about a Yod that has two biQuintiles and a Quintile making the formation? My software calls it a 'palma' I guess...

I guess it probably doesn't apply anyway, because my Moon forms the apex with Jupiter and Mars in this formation...

have a look at this:

http://sf-astroformations.org.uk/A%20Family%20of%20Yods.pdf

[tautomer]

I have an exact yod of Jupiter-Pluto/Saturn. Years ago I had a professional astrologer go through my chart and it was mentioned that jupiter, and jupiter transits will play an important part in my life because of this position. I honestly don't remember the details and up until now, I don't think jupiter has played a terribly important roll in my life. I say that because other aspects and placements in my chart has shown up more directly. It could also be due to the fact that my chart has a total of 5 inconjuncts (which is quite a lot) and it could just overshadow a lot of things.

chart: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9254/astro22.jpg

[waybread]

Also, Jupiter transits, in my experience, are not necessarily of the Jump Up and Shout variety. Sometimes a niice Jupiter transit means the pain recedes for a while, or you eat more chocolate. Maybe it is a time to become more philosophical or interested in religion. I've traced a couple of Jupiter returns with great expectations, yet nothing much came out of them.

[Indie]

Hey everyone,

From the moment I found out that I have a Yod in my chart I have been looking extensively but found little for information suiting the aspecting pattern. I was hoping to get some more in depth insight by posting here.

According to my chart this is how it goes:

the moon (balsamic) is sextile to both mercury & venus
the moon is quincunx/ inconjunct to both neptune & uranus
mercury & venus are both quincunx/ inconjunct to neptune & uranus

Thanks so much for your help !
I am brand new to this forum and I was hoping someone could help me (i'm not sure if i posted this in the right area :/) my apologies if that is the case..

[Bina]

Hi Indie,

there's a strong regular, symmetric pattern in your chart, check out the following website on aspect formations:

http://www.the-business-shepherd.co.uk/

[StillOne]

My own view of the yod differs a bit from the quote you gave. I think it's more like a fork in the road where, whichever route you decide to take, there's a nagging doubt in your mind that the other route was the better one. It's a constant conflict of which one to take, reinforced by the frequent hard knocks experienced while venturing each route, all of which leads to a lot of backtracking as you try to cover ground in both paths. However, there's an accumulation of experience from repeatedly traveling and backtracking each that eventually brings the two into harmony to become one, forming one path that the native can travel proficiently and with great wisdom.

Food for thought, at least.

I just saw this thread was bumped and I re-read this post by stainedBlue. At this point, I have to disagree with this theory. The reason is, that when I engage in activities indicated by my yods, I know I'm on the right path. I feel that I enter flow and can spend many hours without fatigue directing my energies in these areas. It is a blissful pursuit... one that feels of divine origin. There is no hesitation and no doubt that I'm doing the right things.

I think, possibly, where the "nagging doubt" comes from is that often the "things" demanded by yods may be difficult to get going on initially. There may be much contemplation or preparation for you to see the course of action. Years can be spent in preparation even. As such, these activities may be delayed considerably. I've found that you feel that you should be doing these things but when you're not, frustration, stagnation, depression, confusion, etc. can result! If you keep putting these things off there is the "constant conflict" that you mention.

Since the Quincunx requires an adjustment, often times to engage the Yod the native has to make a rather large adjustment. I've found that sometimes the adjustment is greater than what one initially thought. I think this is also why delays result. However, I think one way to find out if you are on the right course is to spend some time probing in the various areas indicated by the Yod. Once one has discovered the "solution" to the Yod, made the necessary changes in one's life, and embraced the new direction, in my experience, it is very easy to engage in and a feeling of "flow" results.

YMMV!

[princess valhalla]

What about a Yod that has two biQuintiles and a Quintile making the formation? My software calls it a 'palma' I guess...

I guess it probably doesn't apply anyway, because my Moon forms the apex with Jupiter and Mars in this formation...

I think this is referred to as a golden yod. There is an interesting article about it on chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/Hitler-and-the-golden-yod/