02-08-2010, 12:50 AM
Hello. I was wondering if anyone could provide me with some insight into my chart?
I've looked up the basic translations, a method I've known for a little while.
But I'd like to begin understanding the structural aspects of astrology, for what is particularly unique in the shape of my chart. Actually, I primarily joined the community due to the fact that a higher level of discourse seems necessary for this sort of understanding. Of course, I am also looking forward to meet you all too:lol:
Ok so here is my question, and my chart: http://www.astro.com/tmpd/c0qtfile4egHov-u1201214296/astro_2gw_01_kurt_wunder.5964.28741.gif?29886
Whereas Nearly all of my planets fall into 6 and 9, the moon and pluto are respectively in 1 and 5.
Pluto is one of my more harmonious planets, a bunch of trines and no hard aspects, and this makes me curious about it. Its hard to understand, because its generally "way out there" and impersonal I guess. On the other hand, the moon is also unique, but so close and personal (not to mention in the 1st) its hard to detatch from and really understand. It occurs to me that these planets are probably somewhat arbitrary to the "general sky" in many charts, but I am still curious of these anchoring points in my chart.
My basic curiosity though is to the 6th/9th thing:bandit:. Looking for any kind of structural insight or really any thoughts that transcend the basic interpretations. Thanks!
02-08-2010, 03:49 AM
In terms of interpretation, here is a little about me, and my interests.
I have studied philosophy and metaphysics both formally and informally for the last few years, which I figure is important to my ninth house. I was always informally interested, but have taken some classes over the last 2 years. Martin Heidegger last semester; that was pretty demanding, both mentally and emotionally. Before that I took a class on general existential philosophy and literature, which was enjoyable, but never so redeeming as its ideals.
I went through a stage where I was passionate about Marxism (as it may regard both the 6th house and 9th house) but I think I was mostly confused with my personal gripes with not being able to hold a satisfying job. Just recently found a more resonant sense of economy and philosophy in yoga. I've known a few yoga poses for the last few years, but I've only really been involved since my winter break, and already it feels pretty right for me. This seems very important to the 6/9 thing. (Forgot to mention, I've been a vegetarian for about 3 years now, and have been in very good shape for the last 2 or so.)
For about a year before this, I've been drawing pretty heavy inspiration from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I've meditated a few years, but again, only recently, maybe within the last, have I felt very inspired by it. This semester I have formally begun a general seminar on Buddhist metaphysics and am very intrigued. It seems to be not so...obsessive as the western philosophers I have read, (although still coming from similar basis of affliction as the existentialists.) Only very recently have I felt that I have taken refuge.
I Can't forget Nietzsche, whose "Dionysian" impulse has fit my personality probably the best. I've spent the last 5 years or so holding a general resentment to society at large, with my focus centered upon its irrational and unjustified laws concerning the relationship between humans and plants.
I am a gardener and herbalist, which to my understanding has much to do with the 6th house. My sense of economy has been "to tend my own garden" (said Voltaire, who was born on the same day as me) and I've felt that this beautiful ethic and economy is systematically violated by our present society. The violation of a relative spectrum of herbs/substances by irrational laws has led me to hold extremist views and tendencies towards society. It has felt natural to me (as Emerson describes in nature "the cult relation between man and vegetable") to be rather subversive.
I know that Pisceans supposedly have "substance problems", but I've always felt that I used them meditations albeit rather extreme ones. Of course I do fit the stereotypical portrait as the loner, and fully represent the stereotyped anxieties, but that could just as well be marked as philosophical differences in my opinion. Only recently have I stepped back from the substantial basis, but not to renounce.
I guess the question is how any of this really expressed? I am not politically active on such an issue.
Maybe I'm a musician, but its more like I masturbate on the piano and guitar. Philosophy and music do sort of blend together for me, both expressions of my personal obsession with authenticity and form. I am piqued by complex harmonies and intricate chord forms. This leaves me to mostly experiment as I play, which I really get a kick out of, but its not so outwardly expressive most the time. I am an experimenter more than an improviser. By that I mean my approach is expansive, but often making mistakes at expense of sounding continuous, like a song. I have noticed that my playing is improving though, and I am lessening the gap between experimentality and improvisation.
I do have a small bit of formal training, and once actually wanted to train to become professional, but entering into the picture late was a major turn off to my confidence, when others around me were light-years ahead.
Generally I feel either repressed or not confident around people (musically, intellectually), but at the same time, feel like I could blow their minds if I just got my words/notes in order. A large sense of my ego is maintained by making excuses of being repressed, or that they just don't "get me" - when I am really just incompetent. Or then in other cases, I may be able to do something, but by feeling incompetent, fail. Almost always it is one or the other, and so there is very little actual doing, by consequence. I feel this is characteristic of the harder aspects between my 6th and 9th house,
I do have a particularly subtle ear, which I have a lot of pride in it. And that these waves might be treated as something tangible, music spilling back to philosophy (astrology) I will become frustrated when others might not notice a certain overtone, or understand how to venture into modal territories. Could this obstinant sensitivity be the rogue moon conjunct ascendant perhaps, further exacerbated by the single opposition in my chart to neptune?
Insomuch that it becomes tangible, I can't seem to help self orienting myself as a snob. I think this is somehow my inability to appropriate my ascendant moon's sensitivity. In the same way, I do feel I have a "great philosophy", that really, society just can't handle, or figure out. I feel reactionary, and anxious.
As for actually playing, I am super sensitive about my music, and am wondering if this rogue Pluto has anything to do with this as it abides my fifth house of creativity: I don't really play with others anymore. I used to jam with friends, just as I used to share waves of laughter, but having gone down this secluded path where I cannot distinguish between pride and justifiable expression to the world, all I feel is estranged.These days I might jam or philosophize with my brother, and on some novel occurrences things really do click. It is so uncommon though, more like a rare planetary influence than a lasting sense of harmony.
But contrary to this portrait I am drawing, I am pretty optimistic. Things seem to be coming together, after encountering these new philosophies. I'm having trouble getting my foot back in the door - it seems the length I've spent as an outsider has made my habits quite eccentric!
02-13-2010, 10:47 PM
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