Libra who doesn't like compromise

[LuciferSam]

Hi everybody,

I usually lurk on the boards here and have been in the chat room a couple of times, but have finally decided to start a thread of my own. Now, as a Libra with Aries moon, I'd like to say that this thread will be the first of many contributions made. But knowing my lack of persistence and follow-through, I don't want to make any promises either. :whistling:

Anyway, yeah, I'm an extremely conflicted person. Learning about the whole sun/moon opposition thing in my chart has made a lot of sense, because it really does feel like there are two (or more!) LuciferSams inhabiting this body. As you guys know, the Libra/Aries polarity highlights the tension between the self and others, between going your own way and joining hands with your fellow man.

In addition to opposing my sun, the Aries moon opposes my Mercury *and* Venus as well. I've always felt like in order to fit in with everybody, I have to compromise myself. Unfortunately, I don't like how inauthentic this feels, so I don't do it. As you've probably guessed, this means that I suck in the friends department; haven't had a group of friends since elementary school.

What's worse is that I care *way* too much about how I am perceived. One wouldn't guess it from meeting me (Virgo rising, which ***** because I feel like the world doesn't truly see the "real me"), but my mind is usually preoccupied with human relationships and the "social scene." I'm good at remembering people's names and faces and notice who they associate with and what kind of relationships they have with each other. Of course, this is negatively colored by the Moon-Venus-Neptune t-square opposition in my chart. Let's just say that reality is seen through some thick, blurry glasses.

It's getting old here on the periphery. Is there anything in my chart that allows me reconcile these conflicting desires? Will I ever find peace within myself? Any feedback is much appreciated.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=fsxfiletU05v7-u1229558503&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=3&nho2=2&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=3&smon=2&syr=2010&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&ast=

If the link doesn't work for some odd reason, my info is 10/2/82 at 4:58 am in Minneapolis, MN.

[dhundhun]

In the movie, you can get similar view about Libra.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22149

[LuciferSam]

Hmm, maybe this should go in the psychology section? :unsure:

[lillyjgc]

Hi Lucifer sam,
Welcome to the Forum.

Looking at your chart I can see that the T-square involving Neptune at the Apex and the venus/moon opposition both squaring that may well cause a lot of emotional chaos for you.
I see your mars/Ur conjunction though to be a strong asset in your chart as it strongly placed on your fourth house cusp-an important angle. It receives a trine from the moon in aries. Aries is a sign over which Mars has rulership so this can lend strength to your moon side., making it active. Mars doesn't mind being in sag either-it is a very energetic and optimistic sign for mars to be in, as sag is ruled by Jolly Jupiter, which is in Scorpio-the sign that MARS rules also.They are said to be in mutual reception-they can help one another.

Your Mars is also sextile to Mercury which is in Libra, thus ruled by Venus. Your stellium in Libra adds a great deal of Venusian energy to your chart.It's in your second house of self worth and your material possessions. It's very close to the sun, in combustion which can weaken it and the sun is in Fall in Libra also, but Mercury rules your tenth-your career and status in the world and mercury-how you think and communicate, is trine your midheaven.

Your ability to communicate is going to be a key factor in your life. Mars rules your third house and Mars IS well placed anmd well aspected. Your actions will speak as loud as words.
Merc/Combust sun can cause a lack of clarity but that appears to be in terms of how you see yourself, being in the second house.
Your Saturn is exalted in Libra and sextile Neptune, the Apex of the T-square. That does give Neptune a bit more of a reality check. Saturn also rules your fifth house so you are likely to strive to be *socially responsible*.All these are pluses in life.

Your chart shows that you may struggle with ninth house matters, like higher education/the metaphysical world etc, your Mercury on the other hand can help you express yourself in a fair way.(Once you have overcome a natural tendency to be argumentative with others-merc op moon (applying, so I count it even with a large orb)
At some point you may find it easier to get clarity on important matters by writing everything down before making a decision and not taking the advice of friends who are ruled by the moon in your chart.!

Moon trine Uranus can give you a very sharp mind and to some extent alleviates the combustion factor.It's in your third house too, but approaching the fourth so will impact positively on both houses.
Mercury ruling your ascendant (Virgo) may be an asset too as Virgo does not tend to project itself forcefully in the world-the ruler of Asc being in Venus's signs softens it.

Perhaps impulsiveness has been a problem. The lessons of patience can help that. Saturn teaches us those lessons and your Saturn is strong and incisive.You are capable of deep insights here.
Hope that helps
Lilly

[R4VEN]

LuciferSam, I do not want to step over any of the territory covered by lillyjgc, but inadvertently I just may!!

For someone with all that Libra in the 2nd house - another Venus influence - your `dilemma' is actually a really good one. I interpret your question as: Why am I not more Libran? Am I right? And that t-square with Neptune at the apex makes me shudder!!

For all the reasons stated by lilly, your Aries moon is very, very strong in your chart - and that is really a good thing, I'd say!! Were you to have some other moon sign - like Cancer or Pisces - you just may be one to buckle under to the wills of other people.

This from your 1st post is very telling:
"I've always felt like in order to fit in with everybody, I have to compromise myself. Unfortunately, I don't like how inauthentic this feels, so I don't do it. As you've probably guessed, this means that I suck in the friends department; haven't had a group of friends since elementary school."

Now, I don't think it needs be an either/or situation, but there is a lesson in this arrangement of planets, and I believe that you have described this lesson really well. I am not trying to tell you how to deal with this.... (heck, I'd just buckle under to pressure and be all wussy and Neptunian!!)
BUT - I suspect that as Saturn passes through your 2nd house and conjuncts each of your Libran planets, you will be given some insight into how better to integrate your Libra with your Aries. tr Saturn is currently in an applying conjunction with your natal Libra Mercury, so you are thinking about this - good start!! And if that is not enough you will also have tr Pluto squaring your Libran planets over the coming years; this will certainly create the necessity for finding some solutions, whether you want them or not.

And I agree with you that often compromise is inauthentic, and to not compromise creates disomfort in others - and yourself. Far better to be looking to modify that than to be coming from a place where you are being walked over, and you want to know how to stand up for yourself. I'd say well done!

[LuciferSam]

Hi Lucifer sam,
Welcome to the Forum.

Looking at your chart I can see that the T-square involving Neptune at the Apex and the venus/moon opposition both squaring that may well cause a lot of emotional chaos for you.
I see your mars/Ur conjunction though to be a strong asset in your chart as it strongly placed on your fourth house cusp-an important angle. It receives a trine from the moon in aries. Aries is a sign over which Mars has rulership so this can lend strength to your moon side., making it active. Mars doesn't mind being in sag either-it is a very energetic and optimistic sign for mars to be in, as sag is ruled by Jolly Jupiter, which is in Scorpio-the sign that MARS rules also.They are said to be in mutual reception-they can help one another.

Your Mars is also sextile to Mercury which is in Libra, thus ruled by Venus. Your stellium in Libra adds a great deal of Venusian energy to your chart.It's in your second house of self worth and your material possessions. It's very close to the sun, in combustion which can weaken it and the sun is in Fall in Libra also, but Mercury rules your tenth-your career and status in the world and mercury-how you think and communicate, is trine your midheaven.

Your ability to communicate is going to be a key factor in your life. Mars rules your third house and Mars IS well placed anmd well aspected. Your actions will speak as loud as words.
Merc/Combust sun can cause a lack of clarity but that appears to be in terms of how you see yourself, being in the second house.
Your Saturn is exalted in Libra and sextile Neptune, the Apex of the T-square. That does give Neptune a bit more of a reality check. Saturn also rules your fifth house so you are likely to strive to be *socially responsible*.All these are pluses in life.

Your chart shows that you may struggle with ninth house matters, like higher education/the metaphysical world etc, your Mercury on the other hand can help you express yourself in a fair way.(Once you have overcome a natural tendency to be argumentative with others-merc op moon (applying, so I count it even with a large orb)
At some point you may find it easier to get clarity on important matters by writing everything down before making a decision and not taking the advice of friends who are ruled by the moon in your chart.!

Moon trine Uranus can give you a very sharp mind and to some extent alleviates the combustion factor.It's in your third house too, but approaching the fourth so will impact positively on both houses.
Mercury ruling your ascendant (Virgo) may be an asset too as Virgo does not tend to project itself forcefully in the world-the ruler of Asc being in Venus's signs softens it.

Perhaps impulsiveness has been a problem. The lessons of patience can help that. Saturn teaches us those lessons and your Saturn is strong and incisive.You are capable of deep insights here.
Hope that helps
Lilly

Thanks for the response, Lilly. Yeah, that t-square has been quite the nuisance. Whenever I'm faced with a stressful situation or blow to my already low self-esteem, I tend to escape from reality by Web surfing, listening to music, sleeping, eating, you name it. My boyfriend thinks that I'm addicted to "cheap entertainment"; stress definitely amplifies this addiction. Does the t-square also indicate confusion about femininity/powers of attraction? I've always felt uncomfortable with that side of myself, like other women have something that I don't possess. Like flirting, for instance. What's that?!

The 9th house Chiron is interesting too in that I'm currently re-evaluating my opinions toward these matters. My parents, who didn't obtain degrees, have always stressed the importance of college as a stepping stone to a financially secure future. That's it. I am just now beginning to realize how valuable an education is for understanding the world and yourself. I'm currently enrolled in a graduate program and am feeling totally lost; I think it's because of the attitude towards higher education that my parents espoused. Because of this, I'm thinking of earning a second bachelor's degree in a liberal arts major; my first bachelor's was just a whirlwind and all I cared about was finishing. Didn't develop any critical thinking skills at all.

The Sun conjunct Mercury also stands out to me, particularly because my Mercury is retrograde. Does this mean that I'll never see myself clearly? Is self-discovery a futile goal?

Also, do you know what career paths are indicated in my chart? I'm particularly interested in psychology and communication (enrolled in a mass communication master's program), but don't know if I have the smarts (or persistence) to pursue a career in higher education, especially since I'm dong so poorly in my current graduate program. Thanks for your help; it's much appreciated!

[LuciferSam]

LuciferSam, I do not want to step over any of the territory covered by lillyjgc, but inadvertently I just may!!

For someone with all that Libra in the 2nd house - another Venus influence - your `dilemma' is actually a really good one. I interpret your question as: Why am I not more Libran? Am I right? And that t-square with Neptune at the apex makes me shudder!!

For all the reasons stated by lilly, your Aries moon is very, very strong in your chart - and that is really a good thing, I'd say!! Were you to have some other moon sign - like Cancer or Pisces - you just may be one to buckle under to the wills of other people.

This from your 1st post is very telling:
"I've always felt like in order to fit in with everybody, I have to compromise myself. Unfortunately, I don't like how inauthentic this feels, so I don't do it. As you've probably guessed, this means that I suck in the friends department; haven't had a group of friends since elementary school."

Now, I don't think it needs be an either/or situation, but there is a lesson in this arrangement of planets, and I believe that you have described this lesson really well. I am not trying to tell you how to deal with this.... (heck, I'd just buckle under to pressure and be all wussy and Neptunian!!)
BUT - I suspect that as Saturn passes through your 2nd house and conjuncts each of your Libran planets, you will be given some insight into how better to integrate your Libra with your Aries. tr Saturn is currently in an applying conjunction with your natal Libra Mercury, so you are thinking about this - good start!! And if that is not enough you will also have tr Pluto squaring your Libran planets over the coming years; this will certainly create the necessity for finding some solutions, whether you want them or not.

And I agree with you that often compromise is inauthentic, and to not compromise creates disomfort in others - and yourself. Far better to be looking to modify that than to be coming from a place where you are being walked over, and you want to know how to stand up for yourself. I'd say well done!

Thanks for responding, Raven. Is a Moon-Venus-Neptune t-square particularly difficult? Why does it make you shudder? :unsure:

It's interesting that you say my Aries moon is strong, because I can definitely feel it, but at the same time am kind of scared of letting it go full force. It feels stifled, like it can't stick up for itself.

[R4VEN]

Thanks for responding, Raven. Is a Moon-Venus-Neptune t-square particularly difficult? Why does it make you shudder? :unsure:
Well, I have Moon square Neptune on my natal, and it makes me quite indecisive and often a bit pathetic, and when I was young I could be quite spacey when I felt bored or disgruntled about something. Were Venus in the picture also, I feel that this would be just too much!!
Does the t-square also indicate confusion about femininity/powers of attraction? I've always felt uncomfortable with that side of myself, like other women have something that I don't possess. Like flirting, for instance. What's that?!
I suspect this is part of it, although that Venus-Moon opposition on its own can add an `edge'. Check out this description:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/venus-opposition-moon.php
The fact that your Moon is in Aries in the 7th can add a kind of sharp edge to what is described in the link above.
I actually did lol when I read your comment about flirting!! I am also one who doesn't get it, never did and never will. I once had a friend who used to do all the standard things - smiling through her lashes, batting her eyelids (I kid you not!!) and hair-flicking. It was the hair-flicking which really got under my skin. Sure, men noticed her, but they also saw through all her dramatics.

It's interesting that you say my Aries moon is strong, because I can definitely feel it, but at the same time am kind of scared of letting it go full force. It feels stifled, like it can't stick up for itself.
Again, I feel that with it being `locked in' with that t-square, it is a bit too powerfully affected by both the Venus and Neptune.
I don't have a natal t-square so I cannot give the advice of someone who knows............. but, I believe that the first step to perhaps freeing your Moon is to have a really good knowledge of how the planetary arrangements in that t-square act out.

[LuciferSam]

Well, I have Moon square Neptune on my natal, and it makes me quite indecisive and often a bit pathetic, and when I was young I could be quite spacey when I felt bored or disgruntled about something. Were Venus in the picture also, I feel that this would be just too much!!

I suspect this is part of it, although that Venus-Moon opposition on its own can add an `edge'. Check out this description:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/venus-opposition-moon.php
The fact that your Moon is in Aries in the 7th can add a kind of sharp edge to what is described in the link above.
I actually did lol when I read your comment about flirting!! I am also one who doesn't get it, never did and never will. I once had a friend who used to do all the standard things - smiling through her lashes, batting her eyelids (I kid you not!!) and hair-flicking. It was the hair-flicking which really got under my skin. Sure, men noticed her, but they also saw through all her dramatics.


Again, I feel that with it being `locked in' with that t-square, it is a bit too powerfully affected by both the Venus and Neptune.
I don't have a natal t-square so I cannot give the advice of someone who knows............. but, I believe that the first step to perhaps freeing your Moon is to have a really good knowledge of how the planetary arrangements in that t-square act out.

You have Moon Square Neptune, too? Cool (and sorry, too- it's terrible). Do you ever feel like your intuition/feelings are all twisted up? It's pretty sad; I don't even trust them anymore. They've fooled me one too many times. Glamorizing the past whenever the going gets tough, leading me to think that life was a helluva lot better back then when it *wasn't* at all.
How can I find out some more information about t-squares? Are there any books that you recommend?

[R4VEN]

You have Moon Square Neptune, too? Cool (and sorry, too- it's terrible). Do you ever feel like your intuition/feelings are all twisted up? It's pretty sad; I don't even trust them anymore. They've fooled me one too many times. Glamorizing the past whenever the going gets tough, leading me to think that life was a helluva lot better back then when it *wasn't* at all.
Yes, I can relate to that so much. My Moon is in Cancer, so I sometimes feel that I am existing in several different times in history all at once.
My intuition is pretty good, but I sometimes get it confused with what I wish for..

I also have difficulty with taking others at face value, and I am continually getting burned by this. I seem to attract those who just lie and lie all the time, then they get irate when I find them out.
How can I find out some more information about t-squares? Are there any books that you recommend?
I don't know about books on the subject, but it helps to check out the charts of people whom you know for other t-squares, then to observe how others handle this. Everyone is different.

[Inside Out Orange]

Looking at it from a distant perspective I think you've just got to learn how to use your Aries moon without losing your friends. It's difficult but many Librans can find it hard to assert their desires so you actually have a good moon placement in that respect. You just have to learn some extra skills to make it work positively for you.

Compromise isn't necessarily a good thing. It may often mean no-one gets what they really want. Good negotiation is about finding out the underlying needs and then finding a solution that works for both parties.

For example, say you want a beach holiday and I want an exploring holiday; it looks like an incompatible situation where one of us is going to have to compromise and go on the other's preference. However if you talk back through your needs perhaps you find it's important for you to go somewhere where you can relax and just catch sun, while for me ithe exploring part is really about being active and feeling like I'm doing something. So perhaps we end up with a "third way" compromise where we go to a beach resort with lots of water sports and beach games where we can each get the bit of the holiday as we like.

[Mechanical Designs]

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[LuciferSam]

Hi Lucifer,

1. You have bowl shaped pattern in the chart. The concentration of the planets is in the 1st quadrent of the chart relating much emphasis given for personnel self discovery so the things that you want to have (I have a similar chart except I got Leo Moon , Mars in Sagi in the 4th , Venus in libra in the 2nd).

2. You have 5 conjunction and 5 Sextiles ...so the central core theme of the chart pre ponders around the Aries and Aquarian Quality . Aries being the sign of aggression your whole life you will always fight for justice to served while Aquarian quality adds the persuit for higher education thrust for knowledge.

3. With Gemini MC ruler of Gemini Mercury in the 2nd house the vocation will involve communication , teaching , learning , expanding horizons of your abilities. Pluto Conjuncted Saturn shows the you are very highly self motivated and won't give up till you get what you want.

4. Jupiter in the Scorpio in the 3rd indicate that you have higher brain power eager to learn the depth of any subject you want to go . Also Jupiter in Scopio = Pluto ruler indicator show you have revolutionize yourself in terms of thinking . You won't go and follow the traditional path but you will bring some thing new always to the theory. (As you said you are on going for higher education that is fantastic ... I myself I am doing Masters in Engineering (M.Eng.) In mechanical Engineering so you can co - relate how the pattern of thinking goes ).

5. With Uranus in the Sagitarius in the 3rd you will always be restless if something related to the educational persuit is not given to you . You will be always in search of more and more into the depth of subject taking unconventional ways to know the knowledge.

6. T - Square to Neptune With Venus Moon involved the neptune (Idealization) involved you got to be very careful since the T-Square has neptune at the focal point . This can at times lead to sort of Alice in wonderland syndrome or thinking ahead of time .

With Regards,
MD :D



Thanks for responding, MD. So it *does* look like higher education is the right path for me to take? That's pretty heartening to hear. This past semester in my graduate program was pretty tough and I decided to forgo applying for admission to the PhD program this fall because of it.

I think the Moon-Venus-Neptune t-square has played an extremely large role in my life; it's crazy to realize how much. It's led me astray so many times, and it was the main factor in how badly the past semester went. Defense mechanisms, escaping from reality, blah blah blah.

Also, you mentioned something about Aries and Aquarian energy being reflected through the sextiles and conjunctions? How can you tell?

[LuciferSam]

Yes, I can relate to that so much. My Moon is in Cancer, so I sometimes feel that I am existing in several different times in history all at once.
My intuition is pretty good, but I sometimes get it confused with what I wish for..

I also have difficulty with taking others at face value, and I am continually getting burned by this. I seem to attract those who just lie and lie all the time, then they get irate when I find them out.

I don't know about books on the subject, but it helps to check out the charts of people whom you know for other t-squares, then to observe how others handle this. Everyone is different.

I'm totally with you when it comes to existing in several different times in history at once actually. Is this just how you operate naturally (is it detrimental?) or is it instead a defense mechanism?

[LuciferSam]

Looking at it from a distant perspective I think you've just got to learn how to use your Aries moon without losing your friends. It's difficult but many Librans can find it hard to assert their desires so you actually have a good moon placement in that respect. You just have to learn some extra skills to make it work positively for you.

Compromise isn't necessarily a good thing. It may often mean no-one gets what they really want. Good negotiation is about finding out the underlying needs and then finding a solution that works for both parties.

For example, say you want a beach holiday and I want an exploring holiday; it looks like an incompatible situation where one of us is going to have to compromise and go on the other's preference. However if you talk back through your needs perhaps you find it's important for you to go somewhere where you can relax and just catch sun, while for me ithe exploring part is really about being active and feeling like I'm doing something. So perhaps we end up with a "third way" compromise where we go to a beach resort with lots of water sports and beach games where we can each get the bit of the holiday as we like.

That's true, Inside Out. Compromise doesn't have to be all or nothing; maybe it's my Aries moon telling me that it *does* have to be that way.

[R4VEN]

I'm totally with you when it comes to existing in several different times in history at once actually. Is this just how you operate naturally (is it detrimental?) or is it instead a defense mechanism?
For me it is both natural, and an escape from the present. It can also be a bit of a hazard. I can remember one day a few years ago pulling up to a set of traffic lights, and for a few seconds believing that I was in Perth (over 2000 km away) and I really had to do a shake-and-reality-check to bring myself into the right city and the right decade!! This sort of thing happens sometimes when I meet someone I haven't seen for a few years. I kind of slip back into the year/time when we last knew one another. This means that they can be talking about the wife and kids, while I am thinking about that great time we had swimming in the river with a bunch of other people, when all of us were single. I slip and slide through the decades with ease. I can handle this, but it confuses others.

[Mechanical Designs]

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[LuciferSam]

For me it is both natural, and an escape from the present. It can also be a bit of a hazard. I can remember one day a few years ago pulling up to a set of traffic lights, and for a few seconds believing that I was in Perth (over 2000 km away) and I really had to do a shake-and-reality-check to bring myself into the right city and the right decade!! This sort of thing happens sometimes when I meet someone I haven't seen for a few years. I kind of slip back into the year/time when we last knew one another. This means that they can be talking about the wife and kids, while I am thinking about that great time we had swimming in the river with a bunch of other people, when all of us were single. I slip and slide through the decades with ease. I can handle this, but it confuses others.

Whoa, so this happens without prompting from the external environment? For me, music is the gateway to the past. Whenever I hear a song from the 1960s, late 1990s, or whatever, I always imagine what (or how, in the case of the 1970s and before) life/existence was at that point. And that there were people living, loving, crying, dying, etc. while this song was recorded/released. And that the people who wrote/created said song were strongly influenced by the times they were living in. The music becomes a cultural artifact and allows me to imagine different existences. In fact, I think it connects me to the rest of humanity, albeit in a glamorized, rose-colored way. It ***** that I forgot my headphones at home; wish that I could listen to some music now! ;)

[LuciferSam]

@ Lucifer,

I can understand about semester going tough you. It was kind of tough for me as well (Currently on my 6th Engineering degree finished with 2 BS degree in BS in Production and Industrial Engineering , BS in Mechanical Engineering ) . Remember That Jupiter moves in the Pisces in the moment in the 7th right now hence partnership will be outlook on the horizons.

I am as well going for apply to Ivy League for MS/Phd in Aerospace and Mechanical Designs in Fall of 2011 in Ivy Leagues.

Saturn is moving in the 2nd house. Dec 2011 you have the real Saturn return +/- 3 degrees when Transit Saturn conjuncts with Natal Saturn giving rise to Conjunction ..an Aries quality . This will be situation like you sitting on a rocket booster and moving ahead with faster speed. So enjoy the ride. Also see Jupiter Moves in the 9th house in Taurus in June/july 2011 for you and Me as well so big expansion in terms of higher education, learning capacity .

As for the question of the sextiles and conjunction here is the explanation. Assume Aries in the first house Now Aries is Sextile Aquarius hence its a Closing Sextile . So its an Aquarius Angle knowledge is the key. T-Square can be beneficial its also called as Large learning triangle which helps the individual to grow in terms of learning . Having a large learning triangle give the individual ability to learn thing far more ahead that normal individual can do. I can definitely co-relate to the things what is going on thru your mind.

Regards,
MD ;)


You know what? I'm actually looking forward to my Saturn return. I can already feel Saturn's impact on my stellium of Libra planets. I'm beginning to see the world a little bit more clearly. It'll be awesome when Jupiter enters the 9th house. Am looking forward to that, too. :smile:

[R4VEN]

Whoa, so this happens without prompting from the external environment? For me, music is the gateway to the past. Whenever I hear a song from the 1960s, late 1990s, or whatever, I always imagine what (or how, in the case of the 1970s and before) life/existence was at that point. And that there were people living, loving, crying, dying, etc. while this song was recorded/released. And that the people who wrote/created said song were strongly influenced by the times they were living in. The music becomes a cultural artifact and allows me to imagine different existences. In fact, I think it connects me to the rest of humanity, albeit in a glamorized, rose-colored way. It ***** that I forgot my headphones at home; wish that I could listen to some music now! ;)
Music is a very potent time-trigger - that's the Neptune-factor. The square to the Moon brings the emotions into the mix, so that for us, music evokes emotions/feelings/sensations/memories far more powerfully than it does for others. I have to be really careful about listening to music from past decades - especially the 60's & 70's when I was young, and so still hopeful and believing I could do anything at all. I can flip back in time in a nano-second.

Films which make use of music to establish a time in history - like Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas - tend to really send me into the past immediately. I have to be careful to do something grounding after I see a movie like that.

Yes, it's the glamorising and longing/nostalgic feelings which mess with one's sense of reality alright. The perception then becomes that there is something terribly wrong with life in the present day.

[LuciferSam]

Music is a very potent time-trigger - that's the Neptune-factor. The square to the Moon brings the emotions into the mix, so that for us, music evokes emotions/feelings/sensations/memories far more powerfully than it does for others. I have to be really careful about listening to music from past decades - especially the 60's & 70's when I was young, and so still hopeful and believing I could do anything at all. I can flip back in time in a nano-second.

Films which make use of music to establish a time in history - like Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas - tend to really send me into the past immediately. I have to be careful to do something grounding after I see a movie like that.

Yes, it's the glamorising and longing/nostalgic feelings which mess with one's sense of reality alright. The perception then becomes that there is something terribly wrong with life in the present day.

Exactly. And I *hate* this at times; the feelings are so incredibly strong. Usually when I'm stressed out though. :wink:

[libra201]

im a libra

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