North Node co-ruler of Sagittarius?

[tanamarios]

hi everyone . Some months ago , i met an astrologer and when i talked about the nodes she said that the north node is the co-ruler of Sagittarius along with Jupiter. That surprises me because in some node books , specially Kevin Burke's book of the nodes points that the North Node is in exaltation in 3 degrees in Gemini. The astrologer's comments makes me a lot sense because the relation between North Node and Jupiter. Any thoughts about this topic it would be aprecciated.

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

The Nodes are just a moving position in space used to predict eclipses, it's not even physically real. Jupiter seems to work just fine IMO. An important point, but no, not the ruler of any sign.

[tanamarios]

thanks for your comment Pallas .

[SteamyWeenie]

i think they may have meant the way in which it behaves. 'cup runeth over'.. to me, it sounds like abundance. which may be why they related it to jupiter as it is where we get the most out of our chart but if its taken into acct just as jupiter, than one has to beware of overextending as jupiter gives but it'd give even if you asked for a rope to hang from. discretion is always good. the trick with the nodes is to balance them both. if you're playing out your north for far too long theres almost something magnetic about the south node which will just drag you back in the same way that scorpion guy from mortal kombat does. u cant forget where u came from. it's what made you who you are. you take what you have there and move forward, u can never abandon ship. ;) as far as rulership goes, stick with the rule. libra, taurus-> venus. virgo, gemini-> mercury. sagittarius, (pisces)-> jupiter, (neptune). capricorn, (aquarius)-> saturn, (uranus). leo-> sun. cancer->moon. aries, (scorpio)-> mars, (pluto). it'd help out a lot. i also found that the houses have way more importance than the sign that sits in it. for ex. a 7th house scorpio would still be under the influence of venus. because it is naturally the house of libra. it gets very intricate but to k.i.s.s. go based on rulership and what houses they fall in. instead of considering libra in the seventh house, take into acct the planet that sits there as it is MUCH more revealing.

[starlink]

Yes, the NN at 3° Gemini is indeed considered exalted which was established by Ptolemy and mentioned in "Ptolemy's Essential Dignities and Debilities" table, which was also used by William Lilly. When in our modern times some astrologers feel like going a bit deeper into this and maybe assigning co-rulership of the NN to Jupiter/Sagittarius, we must see that as development in astrology I guess. I think it is OK to experiment, as we also got new planets ever since Ptolemy.

I personally see the Nodes as relationship points, I dont really look at them as showing incarnation and what our path is etc. So, because relationships are strongly connected with communicating with one another, maybe the exaltationplace of NN in Gemini is not such a strange thing really. 3° is of course to me a mystery as I also dont really understand why only certain degrees make any planet exalted. I dont know enough about the traditional background of why the ancient astrologers decided upon those degrees.

[lillyjgc]

Hi-I've always interpreted the Nodes as having a quality that relates to our destiny in some way.
My NN's in the first house.SN in h7.
I see the NN as relating to this incarnation, what we are moving towards and The sth Node as our past existences, what we have already *dealt with* before this journey.
Of course I can't prove that but I have read similar definitions.As the Nodes are only *points* not planets, I agree they can't really have rulership over anything. Surely the sign the nodes are in give a clue as to how the nodes may operate in our lives.
I have found from experience that those whose Sth Node conjuncts one of my personal planets usually have brought a great deal of suffering into my life. It does seem to play out in close relationships I've noticed.
Lilly

[starlink]

those whose Sth Node conjuncts one of my personal planets usually have brought a great deal of suffering into my life.


This is interesting, especially for those who are about to get engaged or married I think. It could serve as a warning. I will have a look into charts of divorced people.

[flea]

The longest relationship was with someone who had their SN conj my sun...that relationship did bring pain. However I mentioned on another thread about a work colleague who has three planets on my SN, and we have a really great time. Receptive sun conj venus helps I think.

So I am not sure I think they can work out positively or negatively depending what you need at the time to learn I suppose.

Back on track with the thread I thought NN was in debility in sag??? So ruler of sag does not fit with me....MY vote goes to Chiron a fellow centaur!!

FleaXX

FleaXX

[lillyjgc]

Hi just to add here-My daughters nn conjuncts my chiron and her sth Node is conjunct HER Chiron-I guess theres healing going on, or meant to be going on there.Her sn doesnt contact any of my planets. (I only use conjunctions with the nodes)
Martin Schulman wrote an interesting book-*The Nodes and Reincarnation*
My nn conjuncts my son's ascendant-exactly.
My closest female friend has her NN conjunct MY ascendant...we feel like we've known each other in *other lives*-strong psychic link there.
My sons father has his NN conjunct mine. And a friend I helped regain custody of a child also has the NN conjunct mine...
Its very interesting seeing the connections..
Not everyone who has caused me pain though had a sn conjunction to my personal planets, so it may not always apply.
I've always felt that nodal connections were very significant though.

Olivia: I think Chiron may have a lot to do with wounds and healing, but I agree, I don't know if Chiron can be a ruler, being an asteroid with an uneven orbit...I think Chiron is very important though in a natal.
Cheers
Lilly

[tanamarios]

thanks everyone for your comments. i tend to think that the nodes, due to its non-physical nature , can't have ruler of them, but i still think about the similarities between the North Node & Jupiter as both have a certain message of faith in the future and optimism ( and abundance as well).

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

:biggrin: Chiron surely rules something(s), Olivia, but not a sign (and only Venus and Neptune have near-perfect orbits, Pluto is the other extreme crossing Neptune's, but it does rule a sign. Maybe we should save the Chiron-related headaches for threads directly related to Chiron).

...I also dont really understand why only certain degrees make any planet exalted. I dont know enough about the traditional background of why the ancient astrologers decided upon those degrees.

I don't think that's the case, I think the "exalted degree" is just where the dignity is supposed to be sharpest for some reason, it's a critical degree I think and I think I also remember you mentioning them on another thread as being indicators of a crisis, but I think the entire sign is an exaltation, just like an entire sign is a domicile and not just its critical degrees.

[Claire19]

hi everyone . Some months ago , i met an astrologer and when i talked about the nodes she said that the north node is the co-ruler of Sagittarius along with Jupiter. That surprises me because in some node books , specially Kevin Burke's book of the nodes points that the North Node is in exaltation in 3 degrees in Gemini. The astrologer's comments makes me a lot sense because the relation between North Node and Jupiter. Any thoughts about this topic it would be aprecciated.'

How can a north node be co ruler of anything??????It is very individual and is not a planet but a placement.....I think that as the South NOde is coming from the past there may be a co relation with Saturn as the planet of karma and time......but even that does not seem an appropriate comparison. Perhaps the NOrth NOde is comfortable in Gemini as it represents learning the new way.......to proceed this lifetime. Why three degrees, I dont know except the number of Gemini is three and rules the third house.

People just seem to make things up....

[SteamyWeenie]

just to add on to this, the number 3 in numerology is ruled by jupiter. why 3 degrees though? not sure. i have to agree with one of the posts above. i think it may be the entire sign and not just the degree. also, i've had that chiron placement with some people and after a while, it can get uncomfortable til eventually the node person feels they need to physically be away from chiron to be able to let their hair down.

[starlink]

also remember you mentioning them on another thread as being indicators of a crisis,


Yes, but I did not refer to the special exalted degrees. I was talking about the 29° and 1° mostly. And also of the critical degrees chosen for Cardinal signs (0°, 13° and 26°), Fixed signs (9° and 21°) and the mutable signs (4° and 17°). These are chosen because apparently they are the starting points of the Hindu-Moonhouses. They are degrees which have been rounded off to the nearest Moon housecusp. I got this info from Karen Hamaker-Zondag. Now she uses these degrees mainly in horary astrology I think, but I guess you can use them in natal astrology as well.

Now lets take a mutable sign, Virgo. Mercury (according to Ptolemy) there is "most" exalted then at 15°. This does not coincide with the degrees mentioned above where the critical degree is 17° or 4° for mutable signs.

So Ptolemy and his mates must have had another reason for choosing these degrees.

When I look at Venus for example, she is exalted at 27th degree in Pisces, but that degree lies in term of Saturn and face of Mars! A bit curious really.
So I agree with you Pallas, that the whole sign sounds more plausible, at least to me:)

[SteamyWeenie]

interesting. where would i be able to find that? i ask because i have a taurus ascendant and i have venus at 29 degrees cancer conjunct moon in leo at 0. it'd be great to get a little bit of insight as venus rules my chart and is critical. would the degree exaltions have to do with the thema mundi?

[flea]

Olivia,

Yes you are probably right...rulerships can get overdone quite easily. Though I tend to use modern rulerships there is something really beautiful about the symmetry of the trad rulers...and very simple too...

Lilly,

My NN is conjunct my mums chiron, and her NN is conjunct her mum's chiron.... I teresting to hear you have the same aspect with your daughter. It is one that strikes me as important!!

FleaXX

[lillyjgc]

Flea-That IS an interesting coincidence. Probably deserves a thread of its own. I'm very interested in Chiron.Must look at my grandmother's chart..
Cheers
Lilly

[flea]

Lilly,
I have had heaps of healing to do with my mum, my venus also conjcunts her NN and my gran's chiron.

My own chiron sits between ceres and saturn...squashed between some heavy parenting, it has a trine to my mum's jupiter, and wider orb trine to her Pluto.

I think there has been a healing going on over three generations, maybe four, as I wear my great grnadmothers engagement ring, which was left to me by my grandmother. I am thinking that there has been a conscious spiritual process to resolve some family tree healing, over the four generations. I think the bible also mentions the sins of the fathers passing over four generations. I think I have a internal freedom that my maternal forebears never had....but they helped to give me through living their lives.

FleaXX

[Claire19]

The Nodes are just a moving position in space used to predict eclipses, it's not even physically real. Jupiter seems to work just fine IMO. An important point, but no, not the ruler of any sign.
That is right. The north node is our pathway for this lifetime and although not a planet it seems to have a powerful effect I have to say. It is so important and up there with the sun and moon. Just another mysterious phenomenon of the universe.:happy:

Martin Schulmans book on it is highly recommended.