What is your Chart Ruler

[Miss Saturn]

Hi,

I was just thinking about Chart Rulers and how big an influence are they are in the Birth Chart.

My Ascendant is Virgo so my Chart Ruler is Mercury.

My Mercury is in Pisces, In the 7th house.
Mercury conjuncts Moon
Mercury Sextile Venus
Mercury Trine Jupiter
Mercury Trine Uranus
Mercury Square Neptune

My mind is sensitive and absorbs information rather than consciously learning it, ideas and solutions seem to surface rather than being actually worked out. Highly imaginative. (Mercury in Pisces)

I like partners who are intelligent. My mind is very capable of tuning in to facts and figures about others. (Mercury in 7th)

It is not easy for me to divorce my thoughts from my feelings, Maybe unresolved emotional issues get in the way of clear thinking. (Moon Conjuncts Mercury)

Artistic flow with words. Writing well comes naturally.(Mercury Sextile Venus)

In any event I have a well equipped intellect. Will little conscious effort I readily attract information and contacts. Law, languages, teaching, journalism, publishing, or any subject that requires a grasp of both the general and the paticular is something in which I can excel. In short you have intelligence (Mercury Trine Jupiter)

By the way I am getting these meanings from my books so I'm not being big headed, just in case you thought I had a massive ego. :D

A significant quality of my mind is naturally in tune with the times. I am able to grasp information quickly- or even out of thin air. Being so intuitive I would do well in Science or Metaphysical disciplines. (Mercury Trine Uranus)

MY thoughts are fantasy prone, and I cannot help but see beyond the logical. How much I manage my highly perceptive nature will depend on my personality as a whole. If my imagination was recieved in the right way as a child, I will feel happy, and follow the flight of my imagination. But if my mental sensitivity is denied, I can be vague or convoluted to the point of not making myself clear. (Mercury Square Neptune)

Since I have put you all through the torture of reading about me :) I will try to work this out as best as I can. If any one has any input on the interpretation it would be helpful, as I am still in the process of fitting all this together.

Firstly I think my emotions and rationlizing do work together, especially in relationships my feelings will overtake rational thought. I am very forgetful and need to focus my mind, I will sometimes have to read information over and over again till it sinks in. I had hearing difficulties as a child and needed a minor operation to fix it this is probably connected to my Mercury Squaring Neptune. My strong interests in Astrology, is from my Mercury/Moon Trining Uranus in the third house. Jupiter also Trines Uranus , I look for the higher meanig in Astrology God perhaps. Also Neptune connecting to Mercury I seek spirituality. Jupiter in the 11th house communicating my information through groups here on this Astrology forum. As my Jupiter is Retrogade though I am internalizing all this before I externalize my energies from that house.

I guess Mercury being the Chart Ruler, communication will be high focus of mine. I enjoy learning, well only about Astrology, Afterlife, Reincarnation. All the spiritual growth, unusual subjects. I love to broaden my mind open it up. I find the more open I am becoming, the more my mind is growing I feel in the last couple of months I have progressed a lot in my thinking. A year ago I was not in the same mind frame of understanding. Since coming to this forum and finding other people who hold similar thoughts beliefs and interests, I have loved talking about all these things. In my everyday life no one is interested in all of this stuff, I enjoy the outlet this forum has given me.

Does Mercury have a big influence on my life I would have to say yes.

What is your Chart Ruler and how does it influence your life. Is it important in your chart?

Miss S

[CalicoDreams]

My Ascendant is Sagittarius, and Jupiter rules the Sag... so my chart ruler is Jupiter.

I'm still very much a beginner, so ..please don't mind my stupidity in any of this ..heh.

I have:

Jupiter Square Pluto
Sun Trine Jupiter
Venus Trine Jupiter

I think all three of these aspects are not very harmonious, right?

Also, could you say that you could develop some traits described as keywords for your chart ruler -- or planet? Because besides me being a Sagittarius, full on, I find myself happier than most ..and sometimes foolishly brushing away problems, and believing everything will be alright.. and yes, even indulging in foods.

[FlyAway]

Some signs are ruled by two different planets, that's why I'm not sure which planet rules my chart.

The sign of Scorpio is traditionally ruled by Mars, although Pluto has also been assigned rulership since its discovery in 1930.

Pluto in Virgo, 10th house
Pluto trine Saturn
Pluto square Venus
Pluto sextile Moon
Pluto sextile Mercury
Pluto sextile Jupiter
Pluto sextile Neptune

Mars in Aquarius, 3rd house
Mars conj. North Node
Mars opp. South Node
Mars trine Venus
Mars square Moon
Mars square Jupiter
Mars square Ascendent (Scorpio)

My chart ruler seems to be quite busy ;)
I need to do some analyzing first before I can tell whether Pluto or Mars is really in charge.

Edit: I would prefer the influence of Mars, which is more dynamic,
but I fear that Pluto has the strongest influence.
It radiates gloriously the dark sides of Scorpio.
Not that I'm thrilled by that, but during the course of my life I got used to it :)

[Arian Maverick]

Edit: I would prefer the influence of Mars, which is more dynamic,
but I fear that Pluto has the strongest influence.
It radiates gloriously the dark sides of Scorpio.
Not that I'm thrilled by that, but during the course of my life I got used to it

This is ironic, as I am Aries (possibly Pisces) Rising and would prefer the influence of Pluto! I suppose the grass is always greener...:D

Arian Maverick

[Manic_Monday]

I have Sagittarius rising, so my chart ruler is Jupiter. Jupiter is in Leo, house 7.
It doesn't make many aspects:
Mars sextile Jupiter
Jupiter quincunx Ascendant

Jupiter in the 7th house makes me very lucky in relationships. Actually, I'm always lucky. I'm known for my luckyness, hehe. That'll be Mars sextile Jupiter. I'm still trying to find out what Jupiter quincunx Ascendant means.

[Francesca]

Having Virgo rising, I have always considered Mercury my chart ruler, but for the past month I have been having my chart analyzed by an archetypal astrologer who says the chart is Neptunian. Here's his reasoning:

1.Neptune squares my sun,moon,mercury and venus in Cancer in the 11th house, making it a strong influence.
2. I have an intercepted house causing neptune to duplicate rulership over the 7th and 8th house,
3.and Saturn and Pluto are conjunct in Neptune's house, the 12th.

This guy only does chartwork on weekends and emails me about a different aspect of my chart every weekend. Very interesting. What do you think, is he right or wrong?

[Sanem]

I'm a Capricorn Ascendant, with the following aspects:

Saturn in the Tenth House
Saturn in Scorpio
Saturn Conjunct Midheaven
Mars Opposition Saturn
Moon Trine Saturn
Venus Trine Saturn
Saturn Sextile Ascendant

Which would explain why I feel much more like a Capricorn than my Sun Sign, Taurus.

Not sure yet what it all means in detail yet. But I'm learning, by the Moon I'm learning.

[23]

I have Aries rising.

My chart ruler is therefore is Mars. It is placed in Gemini and the 3rd house.

My mars' aspects are:

Mars sextile asc
Mars sextile jupiter
Mars opposed neptune
Mars trine moon
Mars trine pluto
Mars bq uranus
Mars semisquare saturn

I really haven't paid attention to the lesser aspects and am still struggling with understanding what mars opposed neptune means. But it is interesting to note that I suffer from eczema and acne on my shoulders and face at times (caused by mars - irritation and redness, neptune - ruler of skin).

I suppose in particular my mars sex asc/jupiter has added to my ability to cut to the chase in my chosen profession (legal).

Mars in 3rd/gemini also makes me think a lot more quicker and agressively than otherwise. I am known for being both blunt, witty, caustic and not mincing my words with my peers.

Again, I don't really know what to think of my moon trine mars aspect, maybe just adds passion to my emotions?

Mars trine pluto is my favourite aspect in the whole of my chart though, it gives me a steeliness that others don't really know about until they push me!

[23]

Hi,

My Mercury is in Pisces, In the 7th house.

...

I like partners who are intelligent. My mind is very capable of tuning in to facts and figures about others. (Mercury in 7th)


7th house - Probably also the ability to maybe to see relationships between things and this probably also adds to an ease with law, seeing both sides.

[Miss Saturn]

Arien,

Just read your post and you don't know whether your Pisces Rising or Aries Rising. This much be pretty annoying when you want to know which planet is your Chart Ruler.

I was reading about Transits and here is what it said about transiting Mars.

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This may help you.

Miss S

[pisceskitty]

Hi!

I have Libra rising. Therefor my chart ruler is Venus.

My Venus is in Pisces in the 5th house:

Venus Conj. Sun
Venus trine Pallas
Venus sextile N.node
Venus trine S.node
Venus square Saturn[don't get me started!]
Venus trine Pt. fortune
Venus Sextile Mars
I tend to fall in love with men who are spiritual, and artistic. With my Venus in the 5th I love--and i mean LOVE children!! I can't pass a baby on the street without going bonkers!:)

[Lunar Pisces]

My chart ruler is Mercury (Virgo ASC).

My Mercury is dignified in Gem in the 10H. Mercury is also prime dispositor of my chart and my most diginified planet.

Merc's a busybody in my chart, one of the major focal points:

- Conjunct MC
- Conjunct Sun in Gemini
- Conjunct Ceres and Anubis in Gemini
- Conjunct fixed star Hoedus I
- Trine Mars, NN, and Vertex in Aqua and Uranus and Lilith in Libra (air grand trine)
- Squares ASC and Pluto in Virgo and DESC and Moon in Pisces (mutable t-square)
- sextile Chiron in Aries
- semisextile Pallas in Taurus and Juno in Cancer

Suffice to say I'm very Mercurial. I love writing, language and knowledge. I'm intensely curious, I'm a life long learner, I'm an extremely cerebral person. I was gifted as a kid, and I qualify for Mensa, although I've never actually joined (never got around to it). I can be blunt, condescending, critical and glib. I'm nervous and easily burn out. I'm emotionally detached. I'm fickle and I bore easily, yadda yadda.

The Uranus and Mars aspects make me very energetic and idiosyncratic in my thinking. I'm pretty "out there" for many people, and it's often hard for me to relate to the way other people think. The Sun conjunction indicates how profoundly Merc is involved in my self of self and self-worth - I pretty much base all my self-worth on my intelligence. Chiron aspecting indicates how easily I can be wounded by insults to my intelligence or by intellectual failures.

Uranus also gives me a lot of intellectual independence and a kind of maverick sensibility about intellectual endeavors. I rely very little on others' input, and I recognize and deflect a lot of social and cultural influences that others don't notice. Other people say they think for themselves - I, honestly, can say I actually do (I'm also a little arrogant).

My t-square with Pluto, Moon and Merc provides a lot of psychological and emotional intensity to my self expression and my intellectual ambitions. With Pluto, Moon and Mars all aspecting Merc,I can often articulate with ease my deepest passions, emotions and even my anger and rage, evne if sometimes it's a little past overkill

The specific, more minor aspects with my Merc are pretty interesting. In particular, Anubis (which is also conjunct my MC) concerns death and the darker side of life, and much of my fiction, poetic and philosophical writings explore that.

[Miss Saturn]

Also with my chart Ruler, It is in the opposite house I'm not sure the significance of this, does it function poorly here.

This is what I have read on the Ruling planet - It governs the link between your exterior being and your interior being - To read your Ruling Planet and it's profile keeping this is mind.

I still don't know what this means, it is not a full explanation of how important is this Ruling Planet in the Birth Chart.

Miss S

[franklin taylor]

Hello,
My Aquarius Rising should indicate Uranus as my chart ruler. I kinda subscribe to Stephen Arroyo's opinion in is book "Chart Interpetation Handbook" that Aquarius Rising natives should also take in account Saturn, Aquarius' co-ruler. Aqu Asc natives are not as rebellious as Aqu Sun natives and are more attuned to convention (Saturn) than Aqu Sun natives. The cold detachment, speed of thinking, perception, love of shocking those around them is present in both. Aquarius Rising are a bit more grounded. With my Uranus in the seventh house I can see how its energy played out with relationships and its conjuncted with Pluto. Its almost strange, I did not realize until a while back the only two relationships with the opposite sex that I ever was serious about ( One I married) they both were Aquarius Suns with Scorpio Moons. My seventh house Sun semisextiles that U/P conjunction. I also have some Neptune tendencies (some of its better attributes) I feel in my psyche and personally somewhere between Saturn and Neptune (a little hazy at times and yet fairly well grounded) but isn't that where Uranus lies in our solar system?
Take Care.
Franklin

[FlyAway]

My ascendant is also in Scorpio.
But I'm still not sure whether to use Pluto or Mars as my chart ruler.
It feels somehow "safer" to use a classical ruler.
And since my Mars has better aspects than my Pluto, I don't mind ;)

[archergirl]

I tend to use the traditional ruler in a chart, with the 'newer' outer planets as the frosting on the cake...

I've got Aquarius rising, as well; traditional ruler Saturn in Taurus in 3rd house, retrograde:

conjunct Moon
opposing Jupiter
sextile Mars
trine Sun
squaring (by a wide orb) the ascendant

and I don't bother with quintiles, sesquiquadrates, etc...

new ruler Uranus in Libra in the 8th makes fewer aspects:

square Mercury
trines ascendant

I would say that I am closer in description to Saturn, rather than Uranus, although I am not Saturnine in appearance (I'm not dark or tall, nor have particularly great bone structure!). As for Uranus, I have strong revolutionary tendencies, am obsessively independent, and possess all the sharp wit and bluntness that could be expected from a Sagittarius with Mercury squaring Uranus.:D

[FlyAway]

In that case I will study my Mars a bit closer.

But still think that Aquarius and Saturn don't match.
Well perhaps if Saturn would be a lively old grandpa who likes a good joke from time to time ;)

[archergirl]

But Aquarius and Saturn -do- fit together quite well, as Aquarius is a fixed sign and Saturn is the ruler, amongst other things, of all things structural, which implies fixity. Not all Aquarian-influenced people are revolutionaries, nor do all of them dress weirdly or think weirdly, etc., BUT most Aquarians tend to have a deeply pragmatic and/or stubborn streak, which, combined with their fixed nature, gives them a groundedness that the other two air signs often lack. My grandpa, for example, was the quintessential Aquarius: tall and Saturnine in appearance, a very clever man with a knack for electronics (he called the radio coordinates for bombers during WW2), and a bit like Mr Fixit, could make just about anything out of a wad of chewing gum and some bailing wire. He was also very melancholy (Saturn), a loner (Saturn), and about the most stubborn man in existence, according to my gran, that is! Saturn and Uranus are *not* completely incompatible entities, but complimentary, IMO. It takes one to have the other; like the goddess Kali, they embody the opposite natures of the same thing: you can't have structure (Saturn) without deconstruction (Uranus); you cannot have a revolution (Uranus) without a pre-existing government (Saturn) to unseat.

[Rubella]

Pisceskitty,

"I have Libra rising. Therefor my chart ruler is Venus.

My Venus is in Pisces in the 5th house"

Me too! only my venus is in the 6th :)

So is the difference between us is the way our venus in pisces is manifested?

[FlyAway]

But Aquarius and Saturn -do- fit together quite well, as Aquarius is a fixed sign and Saturn is the ruler, amongst other things, of all things structural, which implies fixity. Not all Aquarian-influenced people are revolutionaries, nor do all of them dress weirdly or think weirdly, etc., BUT most Aquarians tend to have a deeply pragmatic and/or stubborn streak, which, combined with their fixed nature, gives them a groundedness that the other two air signs often lack. My grandpa, for example, was the quintessential Aquarius: tall and Saturnine in appearance, a very clever man with a knack for electronics (he called the radio coordinates for bombers during WW2), and a bit like Mr Fixit, could make just about anything out of a wad of chewing gum and some bailing wire. He was also very melancholy (Saturn), a loner (Saturn), and about the most stubborn man in existence, according to my gran, that is! Saturn and Uranus are *not* completely incompatible entities, but complimentary, IMO. It takes one to have the other; like the goddess Kali, they embody the opposite natures of the same thing: you can't have structure (Saturn) without deconstruction (Uranus); you cannot have a revolution (Uranus) without a pre-existing government (Saturn) to unseat.

I think you might be right, but I never looked at it this way.
I might be influenced by the Aquarians I know,
who are loners at times, but who also have something "youthful".
And since Saturn is seen as a grumpy old planet ;)
I never saw any likeness with Aquarians.

[AlluringFish]

can you look at my chart and tell me what seems to be my chart ruler? i think it's mars and pluto. maybe ascendent (if that's possible).

could that be part of the reason why i love scorpios so much? (but i also have a t-square between venus square mars, venus square pluto, and mars opposite pluto.

[Catatonia]

Modern day astrologers say Scorpio's ruler is Pluto, but it's actually Mars. Traditional astrology beats modern astrology any day.

My chart ruler is Mars :)...

[AlluringFish]

Just out of curiosity, how did you come to that conclusion?

The reason why i ask is because my Saturn is in Sagittarius and makes only 6 aspects. my pluto makes 8. veus makes 7. neptune 7. mercury 7.

please clarify because i make be just looking for the wrong thing.

thank you for your input :)

[AlluringFish]

Okay gotcha :) thank you for the clarification and input!

[AllanBeau]

I got a Cancer Sun Virgo Moon Cancer Mercury Virgo rising....so mercury by ascendant. Sun its conj Mars in 10th is the most elevated planet. Final dispositors would be Venus in Taurus and Pluto in Scorpio. Uranus in Sag is my only fire Jupiter in Aquarius my only Air both singleton and in mutual reception like Mercury and Moon. Mercury is in the 10th trine Saturn in 3rd. Moon is in 12th trine Neptune in 4th. These too are also in mutual reception. Both my parents are both Sags, sister Leo , brother aries. I thank the Heavens that Im born on Midsummers eve the day of sacrfice fertility when water puts out fire....St johns day the baptist. I always joke sayin I aint no jesus hes my cousin. mother is nov 30th thats st andrews day so shes my brother lol dad is dec 13th lucias day the ethernal flame bridgets day. I was my fathers mentor growing up.I was my fathers dad ironicly enough. hes a looney toon no doubts. I remember being 8 sitting next to my dad woth the governer of Michigan and Bill Clition and hearing my dad tell bill that hs an assholes and doesnt give a **** about vetrian. he got his point acrossE 2 months later the va hospital got funded. last year obama awarded him the metal of honor when pluto crossed over his mars jupiter conjuction in cap 2nd house. he has been in college the last 30 years. he wishes he was like me was like me. lots of woman tell me you know what it is alla you are the father we all wish we had growing up....not my fault my pats named me after m their parents. so back to topic brb using a cellie to write this.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Ya brought up an oldie but goodie!

My final depositor is Mercury in Virgo. With 3 planets in Virgo that's a bet most come back to Mercury. Jupiter also plays a big role with either Mercury or Jupiter ruled for my 4 angles and since my Jupiter is in Virgo - there we go right back to Mercury. lol.

[queenfluff]

Guys, I am new at this chart ruler stuff but very interested. How do I figure out what my chart ruler is and what does it mean for me and my chart?

Here is my chart attached.

[queenfluff]

i just figured the chart ruler stuff from forums but i think you're chart ruler is the same as mine because you're a scorp rising. so it would be pluto too. i think the house it's in is important along with aspects but i don't know farther than that.


Thanks lacellrein.

Yes, that is what it looks like - what your rising is. I know Scorpio has both Mars and Pluto as its possible ruler planets. I wonder if you can have one or the other or maybe it doesn't matter. Is there a way to find out if mine is Mars or Pluto I wonder?

I was curious too of how the chart ruler affects ones chart - or if it does at all?

[Skillcoil]

I think it's preference. I have two chart rulers, Saturn and Uranus. I'm an Aquarius rising. Technically I might be more Saturn influenced since it's in the 10th house, but with the equal house system Uranus would be in the 11th house. I find placidus to be more accurate though, and I'm not more Saturn influenced. Personally this is why I think it's be preference, do you connect more with Mars or Pluto?

[queenfluff]

I think it's preference. I have two chart rulers, Saturn and Uranus. I'm an Aquarius rising. Technically I might be more Saturn influenced since it's in the 10th house, but with the equal house system Uranus would be in the 11th house. I find placidus to be more accurate though, and I'm not more Saturn influenced. Personally this is why I think it's be preference, do you connect more with Mars or Pluto?


Hi Skillcoil,

Hmm, I don't know. I look at the Pluto and Mars descriptions in my astro book and I identify in some ways with both of them. Honestly, I feel more like Mercury most of the time with my Virgo Sun. I think that is very strong in me.

How can I tell which one I connect with more?

I ran my personal portrait through astro.com free horoscopes and in there it said:

"At the time of your birth the zodiacal sign of Scorpio was ascending in the horizon. Its ruler Mars is located in the second house.

Your life will be marked by your shrewd, secretive, obstinate, clever, and reserved disposition. You remain an enigma: with these traits, your life events could be either very tragic or very fortunate. To which category of Scorpio do you belong? There are two types, the extremely emotional, attracted by those pathological aspects of biological relationship, or the highly mystical, concerned with spirituality. At the time of your birth the zodiacal sign of Scorpio was ascending in the horizon. Its ruler Mars is located in the second house. "

(theres more but that is the basic stuff that talks about Mars...no mention of Pluto and my ascendant ..the rest of the description does sounds like me)

So, it sounds like Mars is my ruler than? For the last paragraph in that quote, I definately am more of the emotional Scorp rising than the "highly mystical spiritual" one. I am interested in spirituality to some point (actually not really - astrology is pretty much it - I am an agnostic :) ).

So, does this sound right? I guess it is Mars more than Pluto. (oh, my Pluto is in my 10th house next to my sun - maybe mars because it is closer to my ascendant??? just guessing...)

[Skillcoil]

Hi queenfluff :)

Hmm maybe Scorpio risings could have the traits of both. With Aquarius risings it's usually considered a combination of Saturn and Uranus. I agree with this, also EJ wrote a comment about my ascendant that I could relate to.


[Note : When a chart is ruled jointly by a traditional+modern ruler, I believe the traditional ruler dominates until the individual reaches "astrological maturity" (usually sometime after the first Saturn Return), with the modern ruler becoming the dominant influence thereafter......Thus, Saturn is the early ruler of your chart, creating difficulties in your life so far...bringing the astrological learning that will provide the maturity needed to "be your own person" as Uranus (the planet of individuality) becomes the ruler of your chart.]


So you might have had a stronger Mars influence in your earlier years, and developed into Pluto. The Mars influence remains but maybe it's transformed into Pluto.

If you feel more like Mercury, and relate to having more of a strong Virgo Sun influence, Sun conjunct Pluto (or is it just near?) might have something to do with this. Maybe in your earlier years you experienced life, such as finances and self esteem in a Sagittarius way, and later you focused on/felt more connected to your Virgo/Pluto traits and presenting it to others.

[queenfluff]

Hi queenfluff :)

Hmm maybe Scorpio risings could have the traits of both. With Aquarius risings it's usually considered a combination of Saturn and Uranus. I agree with this, also EJ wrote a comment about my ascendant that I could relate to.



So you might have had a stronger Mars influence in your earlier years, and developed into Pluto. The Mars influence remains but maybe it's transformed into Pluto.

If you feel more like Mercury, and relate to having more of a strong Virgo Sun influence, Sun conjunct Pluto (or is it just near?) might have something to do with this. Maybe in your earlier years you experienced life, such as finances and self esteem in a Sagittarius way, and later you focused on/felt more connected to your Virgo/Pluto traits and presenting it to others.

Well, I am past my first Saturn return for sure. :) So, Mars is the traditional ruler of Scorpio and Pluto is the modern one?

My Sun is conjuct Pluto according to my aspects and they are right next to each other in my chart. I have no aspects with my Mars and my Ascendant nor my Mars and my Pluto. My Pluto and my ascendant have a sextile though. I don't know if any of that matters as far as Chart Rulers.

Yes, in my earlier years I feel like I did more - had more of a "life", I was a busy person- and now, well, life has crashed down on me, I have to rebuild it again. Hmm, though reading the Mars description in my book, it talks about assertivness and courage. I am more assertive and courageous now than I was in my earlier years. I was quite shy and not assertive back than but I had more stuff going on. For the Pluto description, I feel I did do some of the Pluto things in my early years but I do that now too. I have always felt "very Virgo" - that hasn't really changed. My Sag Moon it is still there - honestly I think it is bit stronger now than before. I do have some progressions though. Ascendant into Sagittarius - don't know if that can effect my chart ruler.

Ugh. It would be so much easier with just one ruler. I don't like this two ruler thing. Too much work. :unsure:

I think I will just stick with Mars for now. Since I can't decide.

[Skillcoil]

So, Mars is the traditional ruler of Scorpio and Pluto is the modern one?


I think so, most modern astrologers consider Pluto to be the ruler of Scorpio, with Mars being a co-ruler.


Ugh. It would be so much easier with just one ruler. I don't like this two ruler thing. Too much work. :unsure:

I think I will just stick with Mars for now. Since I can't decide.

Lol I feel the same way, I'm sticking with Uranus for now as well. I saw your chart in the previous comment, with the squares/conjunctions involved the energy might be difficult at times, but I think it gives drive as well, so in that sense it's good. Also Neptune conjunct Ascendant influences the appearance in a lovely way.

I hope things improve soon. You might want to check/post in another thread your transits/progressions for astrological insight. :)

[queenfluff]

I think so, most modern astrologers consider Pluto to be the ruler of Scorpio, with Mars being a co-ruler.

Lol I feel the same way, I'm sticking with Uranus for now as well. I saw your chart in the previous comment, with the squares/conjunctions involved the energy might be difficult at times, but I think it gives drive as well, so in that sense it's good. Also Neptune conjunct Ascendant influences the appearance in a lovely way.

I hope things improve soon. You might want to check/post in another thread your transits/progressions for astrological insight. :)

Another member told me in one of my other threads that Mars was the co-ruler of my chart (bob zemco) but I am guessing that means that is a "modern astrologer" view than. Pluto is first and Mars second. Well, I think I will do some more reading on each to figure out which one I identify with more which ever one is more emotional would be me. :)

Well, at that Neptune Conjunt Asc is positive. Of course I am getting old I would think that was more of a fading and wrinkley aspect now! LOL! Than again us Virgos are hard on ourselves. :D I am interested in learnign more about this nice Nep/Asc aspect now though! :)

I am just now learning about the transit/progressions so that area is new to me. Someone just explained to me recently how to figure out the transits. I am pretty sure I had a bad Saturn cycle just recently in the past few years while Saturn was in Virgo - I can't think of anything else it could be! (Saturn in my 6th house effected both work and health badly in the last few years -glad it is over!).

thanks!

[Saturnian]

Lol,no matter how much I want to run away from the Saturn energy it'll always be hunting me.

My chart ruler is unsurprisingly Saturn!
My Saturn happens to be in Aquarius,so maybe it's colored differently,making me very much of a freedom lover I believe.I am not generally rebellious,but when things get personal I can be the most rebellious one,I don't follow anyone unless I choose to do so.I also enjoy individuals who have a personality of their own.For some reason,from my friends I have been described kinda unusual and extreme,usually they happen to be more quiet people,XD.But then not all of my friends are the same.

Saturn also falls in my 2nd house,so I guess I "adopt" some Taurus traits.Well I have to admit that I am rather possessive of my friends.And I love objects a lot,at least certain ones that hold meaning to me and don't like anyone touching them.Since only I know how to treat them,XD.

Also my Saturn makes a square to Pluto.Probably giving me more drive and ambition,than what I am already supposed to have.And I have noticed that if I put my heart into something,I can reach my goal.But generally the bad thing about it is that I cannot achieve or put effort in tasks I am doing half-hearted and they usually fail,that has a huge effect on my psychology I believe and failure makes me depressed and sad.And I am not talking only about the typical failure,but the failure to attempt,to try,to put effort.

[Mark]

By my understanding, if the 1st or 12th house is occupied by a planet, then that planet is more likely to be the ruler of the chart than the rulers of any of the signs. If no planets are near the ascendant, check the midheaven. Essentially, the thinking is that the chart ruler comes from planetary placement, not from sign association. I'm sure there are many, varying opinions on this one.

I'd say that queenfluff's dominant planet is Neptune, given that it is less than 3° away from rising. It's still possible that a sign ruler might over-ride the dominant placement, but that is more or less a judgment call. As far as I know, there is no completely reliable, standard method of judging chart rulers. If we could develop one, then we would be doing something worthwhile.

Here's a question. Why does it seem that no one uses the hyleg stuff anymore? Checking for the hyleg property was the way that the ancients answered the question of dominance.

[Phoenix Venus]

By my understanding, if the 1st or 12th house is occupied by a planet, then that planet is more likely to be the ruler of the chart than the rulers of any of the signs. If no planets are near the ascendant, check the midheaven. Essentially, the thinking is that the chart ruler comes from planetary placement, not from sign association. I'm sure there are many, varying opinions on this one.

I'd say that queenfluff's dominant planet is Neptune, given that it is less than 3° away from rising. It's still possible that a sign ruler might over-ride the dominant placement, but that is more or less a judgment call. As far as I know, there is no completely reliable, standard method of judging chart rulers. If we could develop one, then we would be doing something worthwhile.

Here's a question. Why does it seem that no one uses the hyleg stuff anymore? Checking for the hyleg property was the way that the ancients answered the question of dominance.


Hi Mark, what is hyleg?

I agree with you on planets conjunct the ascendant. I have venus very closely conjunct the ascendant.. and scorpio rising. i def am way more venus than mars/pluto.. even though pluto is also in my first house.

I think there can be more than one ruler, btw. Due to singletons, final dispositers, and just overall dominance of a planet.

In my chart, Venus, pluto, and mercury are all strong for me. I also have neptune as an earth singleton so that takes on some significance as well.

I'd like to post my chart in my sig but i'm not sure how.. anyone care to help me out? :biggrin:

[Saturnian]

By my understanding, if the 1st or 12th house is occupied by a planet, then that planet is more likely to be the ruler of the chart than the rulers of any of the signs. If no planets are near the ascendant, check the midheaven. Essentially, the thinking is that the chart ruler comes from planetary placement, not from sign association. I'm sure there are many, varying opinions on this one.

I'd say that queenfluff's dominant planet is Neptune, given that it is less than 3° away from rising. It's still possible that a sign ruler might over-ride the dominant placement, but that is more or less a judgment call. As far as I know, there is no completely reliable, standard method of judging chart rulers. If we could develop one, then we would be doing something worthwhile.

Here's a question. Why does it seem that no one uses the hyleg stuff anymore? Checking for the hyleg property was the way that the ancients answered the question of dominance.
So I have 3 planets within 3 degrees away from the Ascendant.It's Mars(which actually falls a bit on the 12th house),Venus,which is the first planet to appear in the 1st house,and farer is the Sun.

Ascendant is 13 degrees Cap 58'41"
Mars is 13 degrees Cap 50'41"
Venus is 14 degrees Cap 21'27"
Sun is 16 degrees Cap 42'26"

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Saturian, I would say with 3 planets and your rising in Capricorn: we know that Capricorn is ruled by Saturn so Saturn has a big influence on you. What sign is your Saturn in?

As far as ruler I think you have to look at ruler of what?

Like you, BECAUSE I have 3 planets in Virgo (whereas yours are Cappy) that puts Mercury as my dominant chart ruler. Even with my Pisces rising, with traditional astrology, Jupiter is the ruler of Pisces and my Jupiter is in Virgo. Back to Mercury for me. lol.

I have two planets in Leo....ruled by the Sun..and where is my Sun....Virgo!

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Guys, I am new at this chart ruler stuff but very interested. How do I figure out what my chart ruler is and what does it mean for me and my chart?

Here is my chart attached.

But look, you have 3 planets in Libra and one in Taurus so you have 4 planets that are Venus ruled. That means Venus has a strong imput for you as well.

[Saturnian]

Saturian, I would say with 3 planets and your rising in Capricorn: we know that Capricorn is ruled by Saturn so Saturn has a big influence on you. What sign is your Saturn in?

As far as ruler I think you have to look at ruler of what?

Like you, BECAUSE I have 3 planets in Virgo (whereas yours are Cappy) that puts Mercury as my dominant chart ruler. Even with my Pisces rising, with traditional astrology, Jupiter is the ruler of Pisces and my Jupiter is in Virgo. Back to Mercury for me. lol.

I have two planets in Leo....ruled by the Sun..and where is my Sun....Virgo!
My Saturn is in Aquarius in the 2nd.
And those 3 planets I mentioned,are within three degrees conjunct the Asc.
Other than that in the 1st house I also have Mercury,Uranus and Neptune.
I have a Capricorn stellium.

[RockFish]

I always took my chart ruler to be the final dispositor.

Final dispositors are two, Mercury and Saturn in mutual reception.

They trine each other, so I've got a very curious and restless mind, very interested in history and all areas of life which are under mercury's influence, like studies, writing, languages, etc. These areas are also the ones in which opportunities are more numerous for me, in general these are the most profitable areas for me. Mercury trines Saturn so I don't really have to make an enormous effort to do well in such activities, they flow quite well for me, and give me stability.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

My Saturn is in Aquarius in the 2nd.
And those 3 planets I mentioned,are within three degrees conjunct the Asc.
Other than that in the 1st house I also have Mercury,Uranus and Neptune.
I have a Capricorn stellium.

Traditionally speaking both Capricorn and Aquarius are Saturn ruled.....so add another planetary influence from Saturn for you with your Saturn in Aquarius.

[queenfluff]

But look, you have 3 planets in Libra and one in Taurus so you have 4 planets that are Venus ruled. That means Venus has a strong imput for you as well.

Thanks Amy! That is really interesting!

[queenfluff]

I'd say that queenfluff's dominant planet is Neptune, given that it is less than 3° away from rising.


Hmm... no I don't think so. I do not identify with Neptune at all. I am definatley not that dreamy or spacey.

[kbell]

My chart ruler is Jupiter as I'm Sagi rising, but I have Neptune conjunct the ascendent and my Jupiter is in Pisces. They have mutual reception :)

[arrex]

Saturn and Uranus are *not* completely incompatible entities, but complimentary, IMO. It takes one to have the other; like the goddess Kali, they embody the opposite natures of the same thing: you can't have structure (Saturn) without deconstruction (Uranus); you cannot have a revolution (Uranus) without a pre-existing government (Saturn) to unseat.

I totally agree with that! I have both very strong Saturn (chart ruler) and Uranus (in trine with the Sun) in their native X and XI houses respectively.

Saturn dominates my Leo (by sun) nature since I become about 14 yo, when Saturn comes to play. Discipline, time management, practical determination is my essence now. Leo's sun's creativity powered by Uranus always seeks the practical application in my case.

From the description of your granpa, I'm 98% like him, despite the fact that I aint the Aquarius, much more younger outside, but inside I feel myself like a 90 yo old man.

[Tiago Carvalho]

I hope this is the right thread to post this...

Is the planet with the highest % my chart ruler?

Thanks in advance :joyful:

Planet: Position Aspects Total Rank Percent
Sun: 53.5 ( 5) + 8.8 ( 9) = 62.3 ( 5) / 9.1%
Moon: 30.0 ( 8) + 24.5 ( 3) = 54.5 ( 7) / 8.0%
Mercury: 26.0 ( 9) + 21.6 ( 5) = 47.6 ( 9) / 7.0%
Venus: 36.0 ( 7) + 16.8 ( 7) = 52.8 ( 8) / 7.7%
Mars: 53.5 ( 6) + 20.9 ( 6) = 74.4 ( 4) / 10.9%
Jupiter: 90.0 ( 1) + 34.5 ( 1) = 124.5 ( 1) / 18.3%
Saturn: 60.0 ( 2) + 29.7 ( 2) = 89.7 ( 2) / 13.1%
Uranus: 55.0 ( 3) + 3.0 (10) = 58.0 ( 6) / 8.5%
Neptune: 15.0 (10) + 12.2 ( 8) = 27.2 (10) / 4.0%
Pluto: 55.0 ( 4) + 22.4 ( 4) = 77.4 ( 3) / 11.3%
Chiron: 7.0 (11) + 0.0 (11) = 7.0 (11) / 1.0%
Node: 7.0 (12) + 0.0 (12) = 7.0 (12) / 1.0%
Total: 488.0 + 194.4 = 682.4 / 100.0%

(Taken from Astro.com)

[Tiago Carvalho]

Anybody? :whistling:

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Tiago that doesn't give us what we want to know. Post your chart and you'll get replies.

[Tiago Carvalho]

I know. Went to the "extended chart" section in astro.com and selected pullen/astrolog, but as I never seen one of those before I was hoping someone could help. Ok, here you go.

[dr. farr]

I largely agree with Olivia's excellent (as always) analysis-and I recommend Taigo Carvalho to go with it for practical delineative considerations.

For me, following the concept of Grand (or Ultimate) dispositorship (one of the very few concepts/methods I have taken from the 17th century works of Morin de VilleFranche) I once would have said that Jupiter is the ruler of this nativity (that's before I began applying my own personally invented "method"-the t-o-p planet technique-for determining chart rulership-but that's too controversial and I am already controversial enough here on AW, so I'll keep that to myself) Anyway, this is how I figured Jupiter as the natal "ruler":
-Jupiter is in its domicle and so disposits itself
-Sun, Saturn and Uranus are in Sagittarius and thus disposited by Jupiter
-Mars (and the ascending degree) are in Aquarius, which is disposited by Saturn (or by Saturn-Uranus if you say so), and Saturn is disposited by Jupiter (thus Jupiter is grand dispositor of Mars and ascending degree)
-Venus, Mercury and Pluto and the MC are in Scorpio; Scorpio is ruled by Mars, and Mars is ultimately disposited by Jupiter
-the Moon is in Virgo; Virgo is ruled by Mercury; Mercury is in Scorpio, diposited by Mars; Mars is in Aquarius disposited by Saturn; and Saturn is in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter (thus Jupiter is grand dispositor of Moon via Mercury, Mars and Saturn)
-Chiron is in Gemini, ruled by Mercury; thus Mercury is disposited by Mars which is disposited by Saturn which is ultimately ruled (disposited) by Jupiter (thus Jupiter is grand dispositor of Chiron)
-the descendant degree is under Leo and the Sun, Sun is disposited by Jupiter, thus Jupiter ultimately disposits the descending degree
-the degree of the IC is under Taurus, ruled by Venus; Venus is under Scorpio disposited by Mars, Mars is disposited by Saturn and Saturn is ruled by Jupiter; thus Jupiter is the ultimate dispositor of the IC

From the above analysis we can see that Jupiter disposits (as direct or ultimate dispositor) virtuall all horoscopic elements of this chart. So for me (using what was previously my favorite method for determining chart rulership) Jupiter would clearly be the ruler or "dominus" of this natal chart.

[szanne]

I have been curious about my chart ruler.

I have Gemini rising and no planets in my 1st or 12 houses.
Mercury by Ascendant ruler - does seem to fit me but after reading some of these other methods I am not sure if maybe the Sun is stronger and actually might be my chart ruler.

Sun by essential dignity ??? Possibly Jupiter since Sun & Jupiter are mutual reception.

Moon by dispositorship (sign of cancer)???

Sun by essential dignity and placement at the top of the chart???

Help...about the only part I am certain about would be "by Asc". Is any of the rest of this even correct? :confused: Thank you!

My apology...I think I have it fixed~

[dr. farr]

If you could attach a chart it would help. If there is one in your clicky-link in the sig, it's coming up blank for me.


I agree-I tried to click the referenced link and got a blank page.

[Yennefer]

I also have a question about my chart ruler.

I thought it would be Mars as the ruler of my ASC, Sun and Moon. However, it is in 10th, which is good, but is in Libra, not so good.

Also, Venus disposits Mars, and also Saturn. Venus and Saturn are in mutual reception (Venus in Aqua,Saturn in Libra).

So which one is stronger, Mars or Venus?

Thanks

[DreamingTheSeas]

I will try, please tell me if i am wrong:surprised:

My Asc (possibly) Sag
so my chart ruler is Jupiter in Libra in 10th house- My marriage partner has helped me to improve my life after marriage.
My Ruler conj my Moon- My marriage, helped me to fix my <<bad>> reputation.
My Ruler conj Uranus- Well i lived a life with some surprises.
My Ruler oppo Venus- I have made many wrong choices

[Tiago Carvalho]

Thank you dr. farr and Olivia, you´ve been very helpful. I agree with all you said, different strings of astrology will claim different planets as the chart ruler - But I´ll go with jupiter :smile:

[melosine]

I'm stuck between Neptune, Saturn or Moon. But when I looked on astro.com the major aspects mostly had Moon :

Moon Conjunction Mars 2°11
Moon Opposition Saturn 5°20
Moon Opposition Uranus 3°25
Moon Opposition Neptune 3°50
Moon Trine Pluto

So Im guessing Moon, but I thought it was Neptune because of my 12th house or Saturn because I have a strong Capricorn. Either way, something really sensitive. :pouty:

[DreamingTheSeas]

No one wants to tell me if i am wrong?:(

[szanne]

Olivia & Dr Farr, My chart was not accessible the other day when I posted a questions regarding my chart ruler. Still curious if you would take a peek...TY much.

[joyrjw]

I have Gemini Rising (Tropical/Sidereal)so Mercury is my chart ruler.

I kind of relate to Mercury.
I enjoy creative writing...poetry,short stories, etc. I was told I had a gift for it. I like learning,but it can't be in a "stuffy"environment and it has to be something that I would see as being fun. I have a nervous temperment and I talk with my hands. I'm not good at communication unless I'm calm and even then...:tongue:

There have been times I've wondered if Venus or Mars wasn't stronger than Mercury. I've checked my Essential Dignities and Venus had a +19 in Tropical and +24 in Sidereal. Anyway, that's a different subject. :smile:

Mercury in Scorpio 5th house Tropical/Sidereal

Mercury (Sco 05°25') Mars (Sco 03°00') sep. conjunction (0°00') orb: 2°25'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Jupiter (Tau 02°53') sep. opposition (180°00') orb: 2°32'
Sun (Sco 00°21') Mercury (Sco 05°25') sep. conjunction (0°00') orb: 5°04'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Chiron (Ari 04°57') wan. sep. inconjunction (150°00') orb: 0°28'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Ascendant (Gem 05°32') wan. sep. inconjunction (150°00') orb: 0°07'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Venus (Sag 08°29') wan. app. undecile (32°44') orb: 0°21'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Saturn (Can 23°13') wax. app. biseptile (102°51') orb: 0°39'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Pluto (Vir 19°37') wax. sep. semisquare (45°00') orb: 0°48'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') North Node (Lib 09°51') wax. sep. quindecile (24°00') orb: 1°34'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') South Node (Ari 09°51') wan. app. triseptile (154°17') orb: 0°09'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Juno (Lib 09°27') wax. sep. quindecile (24°00') orb: 1°58'
Mercury (Sco 05°25') Midheaven (Aqu 17°49') wax. app. biseptile (102°51') orb: 0°28'

[joyrjw]

You're correct about Jupiter being your chart ruler. :smile:

No one wants to tell me if i am wrong?:(

[Flowergirl]

I'm a Pisces Rising, so Neptune must be my chart ruler.

I've tried to, but I just can't associate myself with the energy of Jupiter. I can't imagine what made earlier astrologers think that it has anything to do with Pisces. Maybe because Neptune wasn't discovered yet? :annoyed:

Any ideas on that?

[dr. farr]

Olivia & Dr Farr, My chart was not accessible the other day when I posted a questions regarding my chart ruler. Still curious if you would take a peek...TY much.


(Following may contain statements not generally accepted in conventional astrological delineation)

By the methods I follow, in my analysis the Sun is the ruler of your natal chart:
-ruler of rising sign is Mercury; but Mercury is posited in the cadent 9th (whole sign) house and is itself disposited by Saturn
-Saturn, dispositor of the ascendant ruler Mercury, is itself disposited by Jupiter
-Jupiter and the Sun are in mutual reception*: however, in comparing their relative strengths:
a) first and foremost (to me) Jupiter is retrograde
b) the Sun is posited at the top of the chart in the pivotal 10th (whole sign) house; Jupiter is in the 3rd house, which is a decline ("cadent" house)
c) Jupiter is posited in a straight sign (long ascension-considered less favorable by the ancients); the Sun is posited in a crooked sign (short ascension-considered more favorable by the ancients)
d) the Sun is above the earth in this diurnal nativity and therefore in its power ("sect"); Jupiter is under the earth in this diurnal nativity and therefore is lessened in its power ("out of sect")

...so I consider the Sun to be the "ruler" of this nativity...


*but; by comparison of the relative strengths of Sun and Jupiter, since the Sun has the greatest testimonies of strength, then I consider the Sun as the defacto dispositor of Jupiter in this chart.

[Flowergirl]

Or possibly it's because you don't know much about Jupiter or Pisces.

Try researching it - you'll find that the two are a very good match indeed.

I hear ya. :smile: My husband is Sagittarius and perfectly suited to Jupiter. Maybe that's why I don't quite relate to it as Piscean...

[szanne]

Thank you Dr. Farr- This helped immensily and I agree the Sun does seem to be the best fit. I did have a couple questions where I have been confused in regards to mercury's placement at 5 deg AQ in 9th house. In ancient hellenistic text it lists the houses 2,6,8 & 12 as feeble and debilitated (unaspected to the asc). How is this different from the cadent houses 3,6,9 & 12?
Also I read that the Greeks thought that the terms/boundary for Saturn (ruler of Aquarius) are divided from the first degree to the seventh Mercury holds terms; from the eighth to the thirteenth, Venus; from the fourteenth to the twentieth, Jupiter; from the twenty-first to the twenty-fifth, Mars; from the twenty-sixth to the thirtieth. I also read that if a planet was in its own term it was as if it was in its own sign?
Can you share any insight into this. I also wondered if any of this would change the condition and strength of Mercury in my chart being that it is the ruler of the asc?

[dr. farr]

The ancients considered the 6th and 8th the "weakest" of the houses because of their disconjunct relationship with the asc; also the 2nd and 12 houses were also considered disconjunct (the ancients did not consider the 30 degree semi-sextile aspect) These considerations were from a relationship-with-the-asc point of view; in addition to that, the position on the wheel was taken into consideration; they called the 4 angles "pivots", and the houses which "fell down" from these pivots they called "declines", which were later called "cadent" (3, 6, 9, 12th houses) Thus for the ancients the 6th and 12th houses (which were both disconjunct and in decline) were considered the most feeble and debilitated AS PLACES FOR PLANETS TO BE IN (these houses each had relationships to areas of life, parts of the body, etc and the debilitation connected with these houses was NOT relative to the areas of life or body signified by the house but only relative to evaluating the strength/expression of planets POSITED there, vis a vis the overall interaction of planets in a given chart)

You also refer to the bounds of the planets, later called "terms"; there were 2 systems of allocating degrees to the 5 planets (the Sun and Moon were excluded from this system) one called the Egyptian bounds, the other the Ptolemy bounds.
I myself have long since rejected both these systems as being arbitrary, and also I have questioned the reasoning of the ancients for excluding the Sun and Moon from these degree-rulerships. An even more ancient and-to my mind- more logical (and non-arbitrary) system of degree/planetary connections,-which also includes the Sun and Moon among the planetary degree rulers-is called "monomoiria", based on the Chaldean Order of the planets and applied throughout all the degrees of the zodiac. The monomoiria planetary connection of Mercury in your chart shows a "hidden connection" of Mercury with that planet, and this would shed additional light on the role of Mercury in your natal chart.

[szanne]

dr. farr - TY. My curiosity and desire to know with some reasonable certainity the ruler of my chart, lead me to reading & studying more into the traditional methods of early astrology. Now I have lots of new questions- Ones where I either do not fully understand or am mentally jumping ahead of myself which I easily tend to do. Anyway thank you for your help ~smiles

[Kane]

Some signs are ruled by two different planets, that's why I'm not sure which planet rules my chart.



Pluto in Virgo, 10th house
Pluto trine Saturn
Pluto square Venus
Pluto sextile Moon
Pluto sextile Mercury
Pluto sextile Jupiter
Pluto sextile Neptune

Mars in Aquarius, 3rd house
Mars conj. North Node
Mars opp. South Node
Mars trine Venus
Mars square Moon
Mars square Jupiter
Mars square Ascendent (Scorpio)

My chart ruler seems to be quite busy ;)
I need to do some analyzing first before I can tell whether Pluto or Mars is really in charge.

Edit: I would prefer the influence of Mars, which is more dynamic,
but I fear that Pluto has the strongest influence.
It radiates gloriously the dark sides of Scorpio.
Not that I'm thrilled by that, but during the course of my life I got used to it :)

I would not be quick to assume that Pluto rules your chart. The reason being sextiles are weaker aspects, which is mostly what your pluto has. On the other hand, your Mars has more powerful aspects and squares the ascendant.

[DreamingTheSeas]

You're correct about Jupiter being your chart ruler. :smile:

thank you joyrjw:happy:

[joyrjw]

Re: What is your Chart Ruler

Quote:
Originally Posted by joyrjw http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/futura/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=252751#post252751)
You're correct about Jupiter being your chart ruler. :smile:

thank you joyrjw:happy:


You're welcome :happy:

[dperez3894]

My ascendant is also in Scorpio.
But I'm still not sure whether to use Pluto or Mars as my chart ruler.
It feels somehow &quot;safer&quot; to use a classical ruler.
And since my Mars has better aspects than my Pluto, I don't mind ;)

If you were born in the day, meaning your natal sun is in the top half of your chart, your ruler is Pluto. If you were born at night, meaning your natal sun is in the bottom half of your chart, your ruler is Mars.

[dperez3894]

I know. Went to the "extended chart" section in astro.com and selected pullen/astrolog, but as I never seen one of those before I was hoping someone could help. Ok, here you go.

When you use the Pullen Chart, you select "Simple Chart Delineation by Walter Pullen". It's on the very bottom of the chart selection pulldown menu.

Click "Go" for your natal data and a very long analysis of your chart will appear.

Scroll about two thirds of the way down the analysis and you'll find a section with planet rankings.

There will be three columns in the Planet Rankings section;

Position
Aspects
Total Rank

Look for the Number 1 planet under the Total Rank column. That'll be your ruling planet according to Pullen.

[Vagabondgirl]

AC gemini, so chart ruler Mercury. Also Mars/Venus/Moon stellium in virgo = mercury. And huge 6th house with nearly all my planets if we use placidius unequal house....

Mercury in scorpio in the 6th house.

Mercury conjunct pluto.

Mercury square jupiter in the 11th.

Mercury sextile neptune in the 8th.

Mercury semi-square mars in 6th?

Mercury semi-square uranus in th 7th.

Mercury quincunx AC.

Mercury/Pluto conjunct SN (5-6 deg. orb)

I have always been interested in psychology and then later medicine.
Im kind of good at learning foreign languages. I have alot of strong dreams, some episodes of "paranormal abilities" due to neptune/pluto and 8th house connection Im guessing?

Ive studied abroad in 2 foreign countries, and Im still there. I can study for several hours at a time if I want to, I can even get obsessed with thinking about some kind of idea that I do everything to find out stuff about it.

I have problems with people that tell lies, and I cannot lie myself or problems with it...I strongly value honesty for some reason. Also I like to psychoanalyze other people and myself:P

[chris]

When you use the Pullen Chart, you select "Simple Chart Delineation by Walter Pullen". It's on the very bottom of the chart selection pulldown menu.

Click "Go" for your natal data and a very long analysis of your chart will appear.

Scroll about two thirds of the way down the analysis and you'll find a section with planet rankings.

There will be three columns in the Planet Rankings section;

Position
Aspects
Total Rank

Look for the Number 1 planet under the Total Rank column. That'll be your ruling planet according to Pullen.

I don't know if that highlights the ruling planet of the chart... It indicates planets with a stronger effect on you.

My Ascendant is Sagittarius, but in the Simple Chart Delineation, the planet with the highest percent is Mercury

Planet: Position Aspects Total Rank Percent
Sun: 35.0 ( 6) + 2.7 (10) = 37.7 ( 9) / 5.9%
Moon: 55.0 ( 4) + 3.7 ( 9) = 58.7 ( 4) / 9.2%
Mercury: 81.0 ( 1) + 17.0 ( 3) = 98.0 ( 1) / 15.4%
Venus: 72.5 ( 2) + 15.8 ( 4) = 88.3 ( 2) / 13.8%
Mars: 35.0 ( 7) + 21.4 ( 1) = 56.4 ( 6) / 8.8%
Jupiter: 70.0 ( 3) + 11.1 ( 8) = 81.1 ( 3) / 12.7%
Saturn: 38.5 ( 5) + 19.2 ( 2) = 57.7 ( 5) / 9.0%
Uranus: 13.5 (12) + 14.6 ( 5) = 28.1 (10) / 4.4%
Neptune: 30.0 ( 9) + 13.5 ( 6) = 43.5 ( 8) / 6.8%
Pluto: 33.5 ( 8) + 11.5 ( 7) = 45.0 ( 7) / 7.0%
Chiron: 22.0 (10) + 0.0 (11) = 22.0 (11) / 3.4%
Node: 22.0 (11) + 0.0 (12) = 22.0 (12) / 3.4%
Total: 508.0 + 130.4 = 638.4 / 100.0%


Mercury is the top ranked planet, but it is not my chart ruler.

[ThunderGoddess]

I am a bit confused about that matter, because by Ascendant ... it's Mercury. My ascendant is Virgo. Mercury is well-placed, it is in the tenth house, and it is near MC. It has numerous aspects with the other planets. BUT my Sun is Cancer and its ruler, the Moon has aspects with almost every single planet. And I am not talking about sexi-squares, semi-squares or some minor things like that. This THING is fully aimed with one opposition (Mercury), thee quincunxes (MC, Mars, Venus), three conjuctions (Neptune, Uranus, North node), it trines the Ascendant and sextiles Pluto. Basically my Moon doesn't have aspect only with Sun, Jupiter and Saturn. So SHE is not joking. Oh, yeah, she is dominant by house, being in the 4th and it falls by sign. So I feel she is the dominant if my horoscope. But Mercury is a tuff guy, too.

[cirrus1]

Using the Simple Chart Delineation on Astrodienst, Venus and Pluto are my top ranked planets. I don't pretend to know enough about Astrology to guess if either planet is my chart ruler, though.

[hermetic]

I feel my Asc ruler as my chart ruler only because it is heavily aspected and I identify most with it. I'm a Cancer asc, ruled by Moon, also the only planet above horizon in my chart

In Aquarius, 7th house
Moon trine Sun
Moon square Jupiter
Moon sextile Mars&Uranus

I very much identify with placement in Aquarius and aspect to Uranus, it gives my life a bit of that Uranian quality, and also being in the 7th house makes me very focused on relationships, to the point of not being able to be happy without meaningful relationship. Bad, I know. I am very caring, motherly but also aloof at times.

If I were to delineate to the final dispositor I come to Venus and Mercury, which are in mutual reception.
Venus also rules my Sun, and the entire Libra stellium, it is important, love and beauty are central themes in my life, and not really working so well, Venus is in Virgo.
Mercury is interesting because it forms a T-square with my Moon's nodes, representing some sort of block, a trap I feel going on in regards to my life's direction. Retro and in Libra - quite indecisive and people-pleasing, shy, withdrawn and secretly aspiring towards literature.

I am still unsure which of these fits best

[SagRising]

My rising sign is Sagittarius, although my chart ruler is Saturn in the 1st house. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, this is because in my chart Saturn rules Jupiter.

[dr. farr]

(Note: following uses whole sign house format)

Actually, Venus-in its own sign of Taurus-disposits Jupiter (ruler of the ascending sign) Saturn-in its own sign of Capricorn-disposited Mars, Neptune and Uranus; however, between Saturn and Venus, Saturn is in a more powerful position because it is in a succedent house (in its domicile) while Venus is disconjunct the ascendant and in a cadent house (the 6th, although, like Saturn, also in its own domicile) Saturn is also more influential because it is in its "sect" (the day part of a night chart), whereas Venus is out of "sect" (because it is in the day part of a night chart, and to be in sect it should have been above the horizon, in this night time chart)

So, yes, I would agree that Saturn is the ruler of this chart; but I must say that both Jupiter and Venus are in elevated degrees of Taurus, which largely makes up for their cadent house detriments; Venus, though, is out of sect, but Jupiter is in sect (being in the day time part of this chart); so I would say-since Jupiter is also the lord of the ascending sign Sagittarius-that Jupiter is possibly co-ruler of this chart, or at least "minister" of the chart under the rulership of Saturn...

[SagRising]

(Note: following uses whole sign house format)

Actually, Venus-in its own sign of Taurus-disposits Jupiter (ruler of the ascending sign) Saturn-in its own sign of Capricorn-disposited Mars, Neptune and Uranus; however, between Saturn and Venus, Saturn is in a more powerful position because it is in a succedent house (in its domicile) while Venus is disconjunct the ascendant and in a cadent house (the 6th, although, like Saturn, also in its own domicile) Saturn is also more influential because it is in its "sect" (the day part of a night chart), whereas Venus is out of "sect" (because it is in the day part of a night chart, and to be in sect it should have been above the horizon, in this night time chart)

So, yes, I would agree that Saturn is the ruler of this chart; but I must say that both Jupiter and Venus are in elevated degrees of Taurus, which largely makes up for their cadent house detriments; Venus, though, is out of sect, but Jupiter is in sect (being in the day time part of this chart); so I would say-since Jupiter is also the lord of the ascending sign Sagittarius-that Jupiter is possibly co-ruler of this chart, or at least "minister" of the chart under the rulership of Saturn...

Thank you for the detailed analysis -- do you have a reading recommendation for sects and night charts?

Knowing this, I imagine it would be valuable to keep a close eye on Jupiter in addition to Saturn.

"I must say that both Jupiter and Venus are in elevated degrees of Taurus, which largely makes up for their cadent house detriments"

Is there a reading on cadent house detriments available? If I understand correctly, you're saying that the house placement of Venus and Jupiter (5th) is a possible detriment but negated by the degrees of Taurus?

EDIT: Isn't my Venus in the 5th house?