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Solastro

07-11-2006, 02:46 AM

OK then 5th house planets..

I have *Mars/Pluto/Uranus conj in Virgo!!(the joy of being the detective of all sorts of things, no taboos here).. Mars being my Aries Asc ruler.. trine my 1st house Merc in Taurus.. squ my 2nd house Venus/Jupiter/Nth Node.. yes so this 5th house has always fascianted me.. why the planets there.. the house of creativity.. overindulgence.. the free child(self & others).. sexual conquests(in Virgo?) etc..

However since the all the other planets need to serve *the Sun.. the absolute life giving force of 'Us' & this Earth.. must remember I am a Taurus.. yes which is ruled by this *Venus in Gemini.. which is in turn ruled by *Mercury in Taurus(1st-also rules my 5th house stellium).. so they are in 'mutual reception'.. ie. each rules the other.. so my thoughts.. ideas.. & impressions(Taurus) count big time.. trine this 5th house combo.. what do I love(Venus) discovery.. finding things out.. being the detective.. but still I must return.. to **my Taurus Sun(remembering it's ruled by Venus/Jupiter/NthN in Gemini) to feel centred.. what is that.. well I like to feel**connected with nature.. listen to my Tibetan Chakra Cd.. burn incence.. watch nature doco's.. meditate sometimes.. 'immerse myself' in beautiful music.. or play my guitar(when 'I feel' like it)>> Also I like visiting the local art gallery.. watching arts TV.. 'watching the planets inhte dark night sky.. looking at 'the stars'.. taking photo's.. watching good quality(Cap Moon)films.. thinking about the meaning of life(Jupiter in Gem).. through all sorts of expereinces.. travel.. short courses.. etc..

So what sign rules the 5th house is also important.. to get the right flavour.. ie. I love to investigate.. & find out about all sorts of things.. that might be useful(**Virgo) to me(others) 'one day'.. good astrology books.. self help books etc.. good astrology programs.. all sorts of resources.. even learning about arts & culture so I can apprteciate it more myself.. *perhaps share this interest with others at times.. if the need arises.. 'connecting the dots' of life.. but it's more about 'feeling connected' to the larger 'mystery' of life itself.. Neptune in Scorpio(7th) And where is my Moon.. supporting me throughout my life.. 9th house Cap.. conj Aqu MC.. trine my Taurus Sun..

I have found *Steven Forrest's natal report('The Sky Within') is a very simple to understand sketch of our inner archetypal characters(helpers) in our life's journey or drama...

OK that'll do:)

franklin taylor

07-11-2006, 05:44 PM

Hello Miss Saturn,
I did a chart for a person whose fifth house had this Neptune placement. He loves being on water in any form for his personal entertainment (fifth house) and pleasure. (being raised in Louisana bayou country helped I'm sure) He is advanced in the martial arts and lives by most of those spiritual principles(Neptune) it teaches. He loves Movies(illusion of Neptune) a lot.Unfortunely, he also uses excessive alcohol (Neptune) for entertainment and escape but is able to separate one world from the other for now. He is very accomplished from an academic and career standpoint. Loves and is involved with mentoring children (fifth house) and tends to be runover (weak willed Neptune) by his own kids to a degree especially with his daughters. He is an agriculture teacher. He has a very interesting chart which contains a Fixed Grand Cross and a Cardinal/ Mutable Mystic Rectangle. I am sure you have read it already but this Neptune placement in the fifth house gives the native artistic talents, especially acting. It also can indicate a person is proned to being deceive or swindled easily when seeking entertainment e.g. Gambling, or games (fifth house) or by children. So teach him well. Good luck.
Take Care.
Franklin

Miss Saturn

07-11-2006, 06:40 PM

Hi Franklin,

Watersports may be a hobby for my son he may well love being by the water, creative artistic people usually do like being by the sea. Entertainment he will love, Music and Movies.

Another meaning for Neptune in the fifth- You are likely to experiance extremes of ectasy and sorrow as your fertile imagination has a field day placing lovers on pedestals or feverishly striving to express some beautiful vision artistically. Indeed the agony and ectasy are your constant companions, as they are for all romantic creative souls.

Also when my son has children they will be highly sensitive or imaginative. :)

Miss S

Miss Saturn

07-11-2006, 06:52 PM

Hi Solastro,

My Sons 5th house cusp is Capricorn like mine. So possibly this may mean he will take his Creative pursuits or hobbies seriously.

Miss S

pisceskitty

07-13-2006, 07:43 PM

I have venus/sun/mercury in my 5th house all in pisces. Aquarius is on the cusp of the 5th, just like my son! he has his south node in pisces in his 5th. You always have such nice threads Ms. Saturn:)

Miss Saturn

07-13-2006, 08:01 PM

Hi PiscesKitty,

The matters governed by a stellium of planets, or containing the sun or two other planets can be a career indicater.

Wow and such a collection of energy in the 5th house. Mercury/Venus/Sun could mean working creatively with children, and in Pisces shows great sensitivity to this area of life. Aquarius on the cusp adds humanity/Reforming of this 5th house area.

Miss S

Howl

07-16-2006, 09:13 AM

Uranus in the fifth house (opposing my moon, chart ruler)

Here are my favourite interpretations, which fit for me:

Fifth house play and self-expression is happy hunting grounds for Uranus. Creativity and change are the bywords of Uranus in the fifth. You take great pleasure in doing things differently. You are naturally creative and find it easy to implement change. Your love relationships will always start with a twist. Charming and zany in love, you will create your own world with ease. Your love of freedom will make you choose activities that may sound weird to others. You will go about life with zest and find challenges in all that you do. Others will find your offbeat lifestyle stimulating

Let’s say that you go to a party and there’s twenty people in the room. Nineteen of them have regular office jobs and the twentieth is an alien from a UFO Guess which one you would want to get involved with

You have an original way of expressing yourself and you put all your determination into it. With your creative ability you astound everyone because you are ahead of your time and make use of your unusual way of expressing yourself. Do not let anyone convince you to take on a more conventional style, continue your pioneering efforts because this is your talent. You have an unusual love life, you are not the type for long relationships because you get bored quickly and valiantly defend your precious freedom. You are easily impressed by new acquaintances. Ask yourself if the warmth and familiarity that comes from living according to your whims is enough for you. If you have kids, although you will avoid this responsibility for a long time, you should be able to build up a good relationship with them. You will raise your kids progressively and give them a lot of your liberal attitudes on the way.

Given that uranus aspects both moon (11 house) and venus (7 house) both in air signs, it ends up being about relationships for me. I have had to spend some time learning to distinguish what I want and expect from friends, lovers, associates, and it's very likely that I blur the lines between them, usually in a good way ;) It's all very aquarian.

Miss Saturn

07-16-2006, 01:56 PM

Hey Howl,

Here is some more interpretations on your planets, Although you have plenty of information on these placings. Doesn't hurt to have more to help in your interpretation.

By Lyn Birkbeck Moon in Gemini Your reigning need is to feel constantly in touch with what is going on around you. Equally you have a natural sense of what is happening at the street level, so to speak. Such a common touch as you have, and the ready wits and gift of the gab that accompany it, are only too able to keep things light and managenable. That is till your emotional responses to life around you become innappropiately superficial.
You then find what you are doing on either a personal or proffesssional level ceases to have enough permanance or depth of satisfaction - and therefore worrying you to death and keeping you awake at nights . The formula of you only get what you give seems a very apt one for you. Perhaps you originally devised your blend of affability and flippancy to deal with a mother who was not easy to relate to in a honest or consistant way. An important point in your development is when you consciously commit to alacrity and your ability to dodge and weave when necessary in order to negotiate the trickier reefs to human interplay.

By Lyn Birkbeck Moon Opposing Uranus Now a major theme of your emotional life is one of your becoming progressively more cool and detached about your needs and feelings. However, until you have made some headway in this respect, you are prone to definite, even violent mood swings. This is caused by being wrapped up in your emotions one moment, and then being icily aloof the next. Possibly you feel your mother didn't really want or connect with you in some way, and so you zip back and forth between needing and not needing. If your a mother you make an unusual one. In the meantime no one could accuse you of being dull or of lacking intuition

By Lyn Birkbeck Uranus in the 5th House Your urge for change and awakening makes itself known in your manner of sexual or creative expression. Whatever is original, or shocking, marks the way in which you come across whether socially or artistically. In any event taking the conventional route in this respect will be either very boring or unproductive or both. Sexually, too, you are unlikely to be happy with the norm in the sense of settling down with the spouse and children, for this would certainly inhibit your all important freedom of expression. Any children you have will themselves be unusual, disruptive or gifted in some way. Creative ideas come and go like lightening, so you have to be ready and quick to catch them. This is important to bear in mind, for potentially you have access to a streak of genius - hence your insistance on the space to make free your individuality.

Don't know the blending of all this in your birth chart, I am still learning myself how to piece it all together. These two planets are Confronting (Awareness increasing)

Each house represents an area of life.

11th House Goals/Friends/Groups/
5th House Children/Creativity/Hobbies/Recreation/Romance

You have very strong individuality and uniqueness, your needs and feelings are met by your friends and social involvements. You manage to keep your emotional life fairly light and breezy. You prefer not to get heavy in relationships. If things get that way you will go out with your friends or to somewhere impersonal. You make your friends and associations an emotional crutch. With Venus in the 7th in Aquarius you are highly pleasing to other people very charming indeed. You do need freedom in relationships and you require a lover to be a friend. But then you have the Venus Square Pluto aspect and you are having to deal at a very deep level your whole idea of what love is and is not, your concept of love is having to go through a major transformation. I don't know how partners deal with your strong need for independance, are they the jealous possessive type, it may cause emotional dramas in your relationships it may bring your relationships to crisis point. All the back and forth of needing and then not needing. May cause some tension when it comes to friends and romance. Your emotions are up and down because one minute your being wrapped up in emotions and the next being cool and aloof this is causing an inner tension inside you which can cause the violent moodswings.

Just a guess at interpreting it all together.

Miss S

Solastro

07-17-2006, 01:53 AM

Hello Miss S..

You said your son has Cap on 5th cusp like you.. so where is Saturn then in the chart.. & what is it saying.. is it strong or weak etc.. aspects.. dignities etc.. & oh yes.. where is 'the Sun'? How do you differ from your son here..

My 5th ruler is Mercury in Taurus(1st) 'mutual reception' with Venus(conj Jupiter) in Gemini by semi-sextile.. So I love ideas.. Venus Rules my Taurus Sun.. 2nd.. Speaking of Saturn.. 'Miss S'.. mines in Pisces(11th) it rules my 9th & my Cap Moon.. opp my Mars?Pluto?Uranus in Virgo.. 5th..

OK then..

Howl

07-17-2006, 01:33 PM

Hi Miss S!

I feel like I'm being spoilt this week, I don't have the time to write much but I keep getting awesome replies :D Here is what rings bells, and what doesn't, for your excellent effort at looking at what Tim calls my "easy opposition focused on venus"; (moon trine venus, uranus sextile venus, moon-uranus opposition)

"Consciously commit to alacrity and your ability to dodge and weave when necessary in order to negotiate the trickier reefs to human interplay"I had to look up "alacrity" ;) for those vocabularily challenged like I am it means

1.Cheerful willingness; eagerness.
2.Speed or quickness; celerity

This describes my approach/personality quite well, though as you have suggested with the rest of your analysis, NOT necessarily my underlying emotions.

"That is till your emotional responses to life around you become inappropriately superficial" and "Now a major theme of your emotional life is one of your becoming progressively more cool and detached about your needs and feelings". I am not, by comparison, a very 'emotional' person. I tend to subject emotion to rationalising thought (gemini moon). However, if anything, I have become a MORE emotional person (cancer north node in the 1H!) because I've learned that feeling emotion is an essential way of learning about myself, the world, humanity, and respecting all of these things...I also have jupiter in 4H scorpio, which I believe is quite a strong 'emotional' placement

"You have very strong individuality and uniqueness, your needs and feelings are met by your friends and social involvements" and "You make your friends and associations an emotional crutch" yes, and yes! Friends, people, strangers, human contact of the friendship kind keeps me sane, happy, comfortable, secure. I can go anywhere and do anything "alone" as long as I know that I can interact with other humans on some level. I have grand abstract faith in humanity.

There are many references to mood swings, and possibly a cool relationship with my mother. My mother is an exceptionally warm and devoted person, I think of her as some kind of mum arhcetype :) (probably jupiter 4H again) As for moodswings, hmm. If you count long term moodswings, then yes. Like six months of wanting human contact so much that I compulsively touch other people, then six months of wanting to be fairly alone, doing my own thing. I have tended to break up with partners to do the "alone" thing, and have occasionally "wanted them back" when it's over (doesn't work!!). But now I know that I have these "six month" mood swings, I can act more accordingly, and not break things that I will later want :) Astrologyweekly's description for moon opposed uranus is accurate for me.

"With Venus in the 7th in Aquarius you are highly pleasing to other people very charming indeed"- Haha, hope so! Well, yes, as far as I can tell. I have been told so numerous times.

"You do need freedom in relationships and you require a lover to be a friend" Absoultely 100% me, yes. That's why I go through the crazy process of forming solid friendships with almost all of my exes

"You manage to keep your emotional life fairly light and breezy" - I think it should work that way, but as we have discussed :D pluto, and possibly jupiter too, square my venus and straddle nadir. That complicates these wonderful breezy ideals....

And finally: "I don't know how partners deal with your strong need for independence, are they the jealous possessive type, it may cause emotional dramas in your relationships it may bring your relationships to crisis point"

Well, long term partner #1: Pisces - clinging, cloying, controlling, radically insecure and jealous, manipulative...it lasted a while because I was finding out about relationships, but dear lord, NEVER again. I would not touch a potential partner who showed any of these traits with a forty foot pole :D AWAY, AWAY!!!! Although he has apologised to me for his behaviour, we are not friends :)

long term partner #2: Capricorn, perhaps a little more emotional than I was, but independent, companionable, warm without being overbearing, we had a relationship that worked wonderfully well while together. Absolutely no trace of jealousy etc on either side, until he **** well fooled around with someone else!! I decided to get over it. We caused what I estimate to be equal damage to eachother in breaking up, though it was me who chose to. We are now close friends.

Semi long term partner #3 Virgo, exceptionally easy going and balanced, I have never seen any hint of anything jealous/demanding/insecure in his personality, at any point in his life. He is one of a kind, and this worked wonderfully for me. I would run around doing my thing, he would run around doing his, and it felt like he was always ready and happy to see me when I wanted to move from interactive social to intimate. Again, it was me who decided to end this, and it was very clean and respectful. We are now close friends.

As for unconventional relationships, yeh that describes me in many senses. However, as I get older (24 now, haha!) I'm less interested in truly unconventional relationships, I just want to retain the FREEDOM of self and expression, the principles or spirit of these "unconventional relationships". I'm actually very appreciative of eventually committing to long term monogomy, a structured relationship, even children (cancer rising, capricorn descendant). It would have to be with someone who sees it the way I see it, though!!

Miss Saturn

07-19-2006, 09:59 PM

Thanks for replying Howl it is nice to have insight in to what I got right and wrong it is all a learning process.

I thought I would have a go at a small interpretation of one aspect, and I know your honest but nice so I knew you wouldn't be harsh on me if I got it completely wrong.

Miss S :)

Howl

07-29-2006, 09:48 AM

I have recently been thinking about how my planets manifest negatively, as well as positively. Pondering the 'lowest common denominator', if you will :)

I got thinking about 5H uranus, its opposition to my 11H moon, discussed in this thread. I've come to realise that these planets, when working at their least ideal level, result in the following:

11H gemini moon at its worst: Shallow emotional attention span, and an unshakeable feeling of 'dissatisfaction'. I lose my ability to focus on other people, and constantly move about seeking 'something more', which of course I can't find. People still find me engaging but I feel guilty because I seem to know how to 'charade' emotional presence, while not actually 'being there' at all.

5H saggie uranus at its worst: Indiscriminate search for new stimulation. For example, I have used recreational drugs in the past. I don't consider them fundamentally 'good' or 'bad', just another experience, a new way of learning about yourself and others (they can, I believe, provide some positive experiences). However, seeking new stimulation in the form of recreational drug use is a severely limited way of approaching life, and undeniably bad for your health. You can only go so far with this one!

Positive expression of this moon-uranus opposition tend to involve building new freindships through exploring new interests, while not 'upsetting' my exising life with the need for too much 'change for the sake of change'. Right now, for example, I am meeting people in my field of work, and being invited to travel overseas with them for humanitarian purposes. It seems to be when I feel the urge to 'break out' into freedom and new experience that I chose the least healthy and productive outlets (new freinds to enjoy recreational drugs with!! aah well, I lived and learned.)

Conclusion: need balance between my exisitng social relationships and support (11H moon) and freedom to express myself through new experience (5H uranus). If one 'overules' the other, I end up with the least positive function for both.

Summery Joy

07-29-2006, 02:59 PM

Hello,

My 5th house extends from Virgo 13:58 to the beginning of the 6th house at Libra 21:18.

I have Saturn at Virgo 13:57 technically in the 5th and in conj. to the cusp. I have Pluto 17:04 and I don’t know if that's in the 5th or the 6th

Any insights on those placements

Birth data
15 August 1979
12:30 am (GMT+3)
Cairo, Egypt – 30n03, 31e15
ASD Gemini 0:59

Miss Saturn

07-31-2006, 10:15 AM

Howl I am just reading a book on how to deal with our challenging planets. It is called you can change your life, although it was quite harsh on my afflicted Venus in the 5th. Not sure how afflicted your Moon in Gemini is but here is how the Moon acts when it is acting negatively.

Moon negatively in Gemini - You are constantly veering between the rational and the emotional side of your feelings. One moment you are weighing things up with an ice cold logic, the next you are letting your emotions run riot. The result is at best chaos and confusion, with an inability to make decisions. You shut yourself off from people who mean no harm. This is the part of your need to protect yourself from the slings and arrows of the world. You can listen to too much gossip and make decisions based on rumour rather than reality. Thereby, you end up accusing people of being bad when in fact they are merely the subject of others hang - ups.

How to overcome your negative Moon - If you need a theme song to guide you through the difficult decisions in your life it should be Joni Mitchells 'from both sides now' You need to learn to look at things from both points of view. Use your intuition and instinct and marry with your common sense. When you do you will avoid some of the pitfalls and errors you have made in the past. In doing this you may also benefit from drawing on the advisers and counsellors. But you have to be careful they are independent without an axe to grind. They may be strangers or people one step removed from your day-to-day life. The important thing is that they stimulate you to have the internal debate you need.

Most importantly speak as you find, avoid chatterboxes and superficial friends who want you part of their gang for a reason. Detach yourself and make decisions based on what you know and what you see. Keep yourself occupied by getting involved in local events so that you can use your ingenuity for specific issues concerning you, yours and those you know. This way you will be able to spread a little bit more happiness more easily.

If your Moon is acting Negative in 11th house - This placement is summed up by Freddie Mercury singing 'I want to break free', but in a totally selfish way. You may have made an emotional mistake in the past and now don't want the responsibility attached to it. You will go through hell and high water to shake off anyone or anything that has become a pain in the butt. Your tolerance level is zero and if anything attaches themselves to you without your say so, you are determined to shake off the offending person or issue. You are a rebel. This can cause even more trouble as it makes you so attractive to people who want to get to know you. This can make matters even worse as you can be damned rude to make sure they don't get near you.

You are also someone who runs away from the norm. You may even want to detach yourself from your own family. If you are expected to go to a family do then you just won't go, whether you can't be bothered or because it is expected of you, it is a tie you'd prefer not to have.

You are odd to the point of eccentricity, your behavior unpredictable . People won't know how you are going to feel from one moment to the next. Your childhood is unbelievable that if you wrote it for a T.V soap opera people would find it far-fetched. Indeed your childhood may be the key to your independence and aversion to emotional attachments.

How to overcome a negative 11th House Moon - Because freedom is important to you, the environment which you live is vital. As your idea of family is different to everybody else's, you need to decide precisely what you want from people around you. You must learn to be patient and tolerant with relatives or family duties that demand your time and feelings, because lets face it your the one out of step, not them! Therefore it is vital that you live in an environment where you have your own space, somewhere you can switch off and on as your personality dictates. If you are stuck in a situation where you don't have this, get out before you make everybody's life a misery. You thrive on friendships and the fact that you can see your pals whenever you want, so joining a club or organization in which you can be part of a family or friends will be good for you.

Your emotional world may stutter every so often but if you realize that a friend could grow into a lover, kindred spirit or someone special, hang on in there because this is the kind of affair you should foster. But think carefully before forging any kind of legal partnership. The mere mention of the L word may be anathema to you. You will be honest and faithful in a relationship where there are no ties, where you can leave whenever you want.

Howl not sure if your Moon is very afflicted or receives more softer aspects. This was the reading from a new book I have just bought, and I would like your opinion on it if you don't mind. Would you identify with what this book says about your placement.

My placement of Venus in the 5th is very harsh, because my Venus being challenged more than it receives the softer aspects. I will type out the meaning of my placement later.

If you agree with it I can type out the Uranus in the 5th placement for you.

Miss S

Howl

07-31-2006, 11:36 AM

Miss S, thank you! Where do you get that extra strength interest in everybody's placements? If you are absorbing as much of what people say about themselves as I think you are, you will shortly graduate as an astrological counsellor :D

First off, my moon is in reasonable shape by aspect. It's trine venus in 7H aqua, and venus sextiles 5H uranus, forming an 'easy opposition'. You can see my chart by the link at the bottom of this post ;)

Here is what hits home:

You are constantly veering between the rational and the emotional side of your feelings

Yes indeed. I've decided it's a theme of my chart, and of my life. Consciously, I identify with rational, generous and socialised human behaviour. HAVING strong and persistent emotions and impressions (which do not dissolve under the light of rationality) is something I have come to appreciate. The most difficult times I faced in the last four years were while recognising intense feelings that I didn't want to have to have :D. Fortunately, I have slowly come to accept these! It can still confuse me when my feelings don't "comply" with how I "think" that they should. And yes, this results in an indecisive personality. I have to wait for instinct and reason to coincide before acting. Sometimes my body and emotions give different feedback from what my 'conscious' self says, and I need to wait for something to clarify. This is usually in emotional situations, relating to others, although sometimes with big 'life decisions' too.

An example is: trying to decipher the difference between other people's good intentions and their weaker actual behaviour. The Gemini part of gemini moon wants to take people on their word, give benefit of the doubt, but the moon part tends to get conflicting intuitive feedback. In short, I am a more "emotional" creature than I seemed to believe myself to be. I think this might have a lot to do with other chart placements too (like NNode in cancer, and neptune loosely conjunct mercury/sun).

I identify less with the part about listening to too much gossip, rumours, closing off to people who mean no harm, shallow freinds etc. Perhaps thats got to do with moon trining venus in 7H. I don't seem to go for the potential freindship 'politics' of a gemini moon, anyway.

Keep yourself occupied by getting involved in local events so that you can use your ingenuity for specific issues concerning you, yours and those you know. This way you will be able to spread a little bit more happiness more easily yep, sounds good!

As for 11H moon, this makes even more sense! I always thought it was moon in oppositon to uranus that demanded so much disruptive personal freedom.

You will go through hell and high water to shake off anyone or anything that has become a pain in the butt. Your tolerance level is zero and if anything attaches themselves to you without your say so, you are determined to shake off the offending person or issue. You are a rebel. This can cause even more trouble as it makes you so attractive to people who want to get to know you.

bhahah that is hilarious! Unfortunately, it also describes the way I went around breaking up with my last serious partner. It took the infliction of similar emotional pain before I realised the callousness I had shown him. That is something I am truly sorry for.

You must learn to be patient and tolerant with relatives or family duties that demand your time and feelings, because lets face it your the one out of step, not them! Therefore it is vital that you live in an environment where you have your own space, somewhere you can switch off and on as your personality dictates. If you are stuck in a situation where you don't have this, get out
Entirely true. I have come to realise the value of patience, and taking a moment to reconsider my 'needs' for my own space, because I've learned that getting it isn't necessarily what makes me happy. There is a beautiful fine balance where: I am able to switch off and on as I feel I need to, and on the odd occassion where I can't, I choose to put up with any frustration for people because they are important to me. Again, I believe other placements (cancer ascendant, venus in 7H) might help me balance the renegade nature of 11H moon.

If I feel frustrated, I just do what I know I need to not feel frustrated (talk to friends, walk alone, write) as soon as I can. Sometimes it involves those so-called "white" lies, you know the ones...saying I have a reason to leave early when my reason is that I want to be alone, and will no longer remain good company if I have to stay!! I am relatively self-managing ;) but I would like not to feel the need for small social lies. Unfortunately, they seem the easiest way to do what I feel I need without having to explain in depth that I need it. Even tact can't save feelings all the time. It's something I've been thinking about recently. Imagine being able to act in complete honesty of who I am and what I'm doing! I should be able to, after all, I am usually consciously acting in universal best interests, or trying to. These small dishonesties don't sit well, they make me feel that I am not who I am presenting to be, or what others like me for. (Sagittarius stellium does not like gemini moon's socially soothing dishonesties!!)

I do instinctively move away from the strictly mainstream norm, but I'm not that far out there (relatively conservative compared to some of my friends!). Perhaps that's got to do with saturn 3H conjunct nadir. Apparently I absorbed much of the conservatism of my parents, despite railing against it (pluto conjunct saturn in 3H) as a youngster :D The result, as I see it anyway, is a constructive-critical approach to 'mainstream' ideas.

The references to a dramatic childhood don't mean anything to me. Apart from the issue of having to wear a brace when a teenager, I had the most trouble free and supportive childhood around. No soapy drama here! Perhaps it's Jupiter in 4H that negates that possibility of moon in 11H. Lucky me :)

If you have time to type out 5H uranus, I would love to read it! You should talk about yours first though, and let us know what's real and what's not for your 5H venus.

Miss Saturn

07-31-2006, 12:49 PM

Thanks for the feedback Howl, I needed another astrological point of view. I think while I am using this book I will learn to take other astrological placements into consideration. The Author says if your planet is more afflicted than has soft aspects then read the negative Moon placing, but if softer aspects dominate read the positive Moon placement.

The book doesn't go into which planets are afflicting your placement. Just how to work positively with your planet in the house. I was on the lookout for a book to help give advice on working with planets which are challenged.
It is helpful although harsh sometimes.

I will write up the description of my challenged Venus later I am a right snobby ***** in it's meaning. It will give us a good laugh anyway.
I will also explain your Uranus in 5th as well.

Miss S

Miss Saturn

07-31-2006, 07:23 PM

Hi Howl,

Well here is my Venus reading I have Venus in Capricorn - Venus is far from happy in Capricorn because the restrictions of this sign are anathema to a planet where love knows no bounds. Deep down you are a loyal and loving person, but you have a hard time showing it. You are ambitious in love and may view your partner as something more than a romantic decision. You are equally shrewd when it comes to money and need a profession that is profitable and creatively satisfying at the same time. You find responsibility hard to carry at times and have to battle between duty and laissez-faire.

I have negative Venus in Capricorn it receives more harder aspects - As cold as ice, you make no bones that you are intent on marrying for money. As for love, well if it can be bought then how much is it? Other people perceive you as being honest, responsible and hardworking, but actually you fly on the coattails of what other people have achieved, taking credit where it's far from due. You dismiss failure as something that's not even in your vocabulary, whereas if we work on the adage that we attract the partnership we deserve, then your other half should be a layabout and the worlds worst husband or wife. If you can get something for nothing, you will, and if you have to scheme, plot and use cunning to achieve your ends, nothing is so low you won't stoop to conquer. All in all an afflicted Venus here is acquisitive, avaricious, money grabbing and willing to use others as their scapegoat or excuse.

See Howl I think this is really harsh, your reading was nice compared to mine. There are a few elements of truth. I was first attracted to my boyfriend because he was dressed really smart he had a business like appearance. On our first date I asked him where he worked and he said the supermarket, I was like Oh right, that's nice feeling a bit disappointed. I know this sounds really bad but I probably would have still gone out with him no matter were he worked. But then he said he was the Manager of the Supermarket my eyes soon lit up. This position had more status to it. (I feel really ashamed of myself, but these were just my natural reactions).

Deep down in my heart I am not this bad, when I was a little girl I used to always say I am going to marry someone rich, I don't know why I used to say it I just felt it. I always used to joke with my family and I would say I was adopted and my real rich family were out there somewhere. Maybe in a past life I was rich and I still expect the same money in this lifetime. Still expect to be looked after.

My boyfriend lost his job and at first I was disappointed but I still dated him. I have fallen deep in love with this man I don't care what he does for a living. When he wasn't working I paid for everything I was sort of in charge of the money, I guess with my Venus Square Pluto money issues will always be involved in my relationships, maybe even more so because my Pluto is sitting in my 2nd House/Plus I have an aspect to Jupiter all the indications points to money situations. Maybe power struggles with money, having no money or spending too much money. How many relationships have money issues though nearly everybody I know is concerned with their money situation.

Although he has a new job now and he has only been there a few weeks but he is already climbing the ladder again and he is being offered Managerial positions within the company. I have been with him when we have had no money. I don't think I am money grabbing at all. I do feel proud of him when he achieves I will tell my friends and family how well he is doing. I don't know if I am bragging about it showing off. But as I said a small element of it is true, as hard as this is to admit to myself. But I honestly don't think I am that bad in sacrificing love for money.

This is how to overcome my negative Venus in Capricorn - First and foremost you need to recognize what kind of person you believe you want, and then look at the one you appear to be attracting. Once you've ascertained that you are only going with someone to see what you can get, then you know you are stacking up bad love Karma by the truckload. Venus is about love - you must follow your heart, not your head or bank balance. When you learn to give, you will be assuming the right stance to receive affection back: as you sow, so shall you reap. The minute you yield to romance for your hearts sake is the moment you find happiness. Regrets? Well there will be a few but the loyalty and devotion will be worth it.

I don't know how to write a short reply,:D didn't realize it was this long. I haven't even got to my Venus in the 5th House yet, and this description is just as bad. I will just have to laugh it off I am honestly really not as bad as it sounds.

Miss S

Miss Saturn

07-31-2006, 08:52 PM

Venus in the 5th - With this placement you are guaranteed to live life to the hilt. You are affectionate demanding, and are capable of being vain and seeing yourself as the centre of the universe. This may lead to flings and flirtations. You are faithful to your other half but cannot resist being flattered by others. You may take it too far, conveniently forgetting you are already spoken for. Your children or pets are the apple of your eye. Heaven forbid if you ever fall out of love as you function best when you are in love. Adoration is at the heart of your loving persona. You love luxury and extravagance and don't consider the cost, financial or otherwise, of acquiring it.

If you have a negative Venus in the 5th House - Your behavior is false and phony. You refuse to mix with hoi poll-oi-only the upper crust will do. You can turn on a sixpence if you find someone doesn't have power, money or ambition, even if you've been dating them. You put on the swank and will carry a Harrods or Saks shopping bag to show off and let people know you are top notch. (Unfortunately the bag was given to you by someone else with your Christmas or birthday gift in it.) You like to be seen at the right places and clutching your trophy hubby or wife. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant - they are a means to an end. It's who you know that matters and if ever asked to choose between being poor and true love to a nobody or no love but a champagne lifestyle to a hideous somebody, you'd choose the somebody.

How to overcome a negative Venus in the 5th - You must learn to love for the right reasons, to see someone as they really are and accept them for that. Allow true love to win on all levels, otherwise you might miss out on something wonderful. For instance you might choose the golden lifestyle but then find that the person you turned down ends up more successful and honoured than the one you chose over them. What are you going to then? Lose your dignity and run to their side, saying it was all some dreadful mistake? You might treat someone like it was all just a soap or movie but Hollywood isn't real, and the sooner you get real the better. That way you will realize that getting behind your hearts desire, even uniting with someone who might be on the bottom rung, is the right way to hit the headlines and be totally happy.

I know I have chosen love over money because my partner lost his job and I was right by his side. Maybe this was a test for me money or love. I hope I have passed. Maybe the real issues are with how much I value my self. Venus represents love and Pluto being in the 2nd House of self worth. I have just been watching a programme on T.V about over spenders, and the psychologist has just been explaining about using money as a substitute for love, money replacing love but you have to find real love within your self.

Miss S

Miss Saturn

07-31-2006, 10:31 PM

I have read the beginning of the book properly, like I should have done in the first place I like to work backwards you see. Read all the interesting parts and then go back to introduction. When reading the text Howl what I typed out for your Moon tone down the aspect (what you told me to do all along, takes a while for things to sink into my head :o )

As for my Venus I know it wasn't as extreme as a really negative Venus which would only receive mostly squares my Venus is more neutral I have two sextiles one opposition which is to Jupiter and my Venus Square Pluto.

I would have to read the text for my Venus in 5th toned down I am not as money grabbing as an extremely negative Venus but still attracted to business like men with Status.

Thanks for the help Howl, I am beginning to learn to synthesize the aspects better and know how to balance the planets in my chart, you really pointed out were I was going wrong with being too extreme in my readings.

Howl would you say your Uranus is more neutral or easy, because you have an opposition and a sextile. I will type it out for you once you let me know.

Miss S

Howl

08-01-2006, 01:04 PM

Hey Miss S,

Without familiarity with the book, I think that it might be most useful to read all of the readings (harshest, neutral if there is one, and softest). Here is why: I think that any planet can manifest in a full range of ways, over time. At some times, you may feel and demonstrate the lowest potentials of your planet placements. At other times, you may feel and radiate their best. Obviously its easier to manifest the best potentials with fewer hard aspects, but as you have yourself previously written; too many easy aspects can make a less than "easy" personality. So, I think read them all, and keep the full spectrum in mind. You can probably think of examples to illustrate each from your life.

I kindof started drafting a reponse to your "venus in capricorn" under harsh aspects description. You later wrote a similar sort of thing, basically agreeing that you know you aren't a 'starlet' from the bold and the beautiful, or desperate housewives!! ( I don't watch TV, just throwing in names of hilarious shows ;)) I shall include my first reaction, which I wrote, like you, before reading the whole text:

See Howl I think this is really harsh, your reading was nice compared to mine
Ouuuuchie yes!! That IS harsh. I am all sugar and spice compared to you :D
I was first attracted to my boyfriend because he was dressed really smart he had a business like appearance
Aint nothing wrong with that, my friend. We are all attracted to certain looks. As a venus-aquarius person, I can hardly consider being attracted to people who appear ‘standard’, at least until I know them (because secretly, no one is truly standard!) There’s no need to feel apologetic for being attracted to a certain look.
On our first date I asked him where he worked and he said the supermarket, I was like Oh right, that's nice feeling a bit disappointed.
I would have that reaction too ;). There’s nothing wrong with working in a check out, but I also find it exceptionally hard, nigh impossible, to imagine myself with a partner who had this job long term. So you can enlist me with the snobs ;). Perhaps it’s my descendant in Capricorn! They are your natural reactions, and they are just that: natural. Obviously career ambition is important to you in a partner, to some degree. At least you are conscious of what you seek, and aren’t out to goldmine the entirety of his personal wealth!! In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with seeking status (in some form, to some degree) in a partner, if you know its part of what satisfies you. My guess is that you are not lacking status, of some form or another, yourself (I know that you have 1H Saturn!). There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be proud of your partner. My guess is that you wouldn’t feel proud if he was exceptionally rich and yet callous and unscrupulous.

Venus in Cappie seems to flag issues with material values in love. You are clearly right when you say follow your heart, but sometimes your heart is after a certain type of relationship! As long as you aren’t cashing in love for money, and you know that you aren’t, I would sieve out most of that interpretation for yourself. Keep the bare negatives of the warnings, and leave the rest, because you are conscious enough of yourself without the book not to ‘fall for’ the weakest manifestations of Cappie venus.

As for your venus in 5H, I think that the same logic stands. You're clearly a self aware individual wo cares for others. You may have a super-charged smooth flirtation-charm device in the form of 5H venus :D but you aren't about to use it to star and direct your own personal love-life-drama. Again, I would take the worst as cautions (that you don't really need to know) and just consider the more moderate readings for yourself.

As for me, 5H uranus? Um, I have BEEN pretty ****** to at least one person in the way that this planet would describe. Generally though, it probably operates on a more moderate level. I must admit, I'm curious to know what the WORST 5H uranus could be!! I don't want to ask you to type both though. You decide :D Either will be fascinating...

Shining Ray

08-05-2006, 08:25 AM

Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

You have original and incredible creative potential that puts you ahead of your time. Success may come completely out of the blue. As a child you were very bright and original, and may have been adopted, fostered or had some unusual upbringing. You can be domineering, stubborn bossy, and won't tolerate lesser talented people telling you what to do. When it comes to affairs of the heart, you are attracted to those whom others find bizarre or even outrageous.

If you have a positive Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

Variety is the spice of life and you should start by having a go at everything and anything to test your creative capabilities. Once you discover your forte, it won't be long before you find success. But zip your lip when others help you - that is all they are trying to do. An unconventional relationship with your children or a lover adds to your reputation of being 'different'.

If you have a negative Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

If you are too dishevelled and wayward, you will get nowhere. You have a budding genius within you but power is nothing without control and that's what you must do, control yourself. you have a rampant sexuality but take care not to involve people who cannot consent for themselves.

You are headstrong even violent, that you need to take classes in disciplines such as yoga, meditation or the like. You need to find an inner peace. Solitude is needed for you to concentrate your clever mind. Then by joining a group that is creative or artistic, you can begin to allow your genius to surface. You will be misunderstood at times but put it down to the fact that you are way ahead of your game.

P.S I have changed my name just in case you were wondering. I think the part written here about having a rampant sexuality but taking care and not involving people who cannot consent for themselves. He is probably making a reference to Michael Jackson, because he lists famous people who have Uranus in Leo.

Shining Ray

Howl

08-05-2006, 10:21 AM

Oh hello, is that you? Haha I just answered one of your other threads without realising ;)

The part about making sure that I gain sexual consent is rather amusing :rolleyes:
The part about making sure I have a go at everything (to find my forte) is reassuring
The part about being 'ahead of the game' is ego gratifying :D
And the part about success coming suddenly, out of the blue sounds pretty darn good
By no means could anyone ever call me bossy, but again, that might be due to other placements...

I found what he wrote for the moon better, actually. It's difficult with the outer planets, I find, to conceptualise how they actually act in your life (apart from Saturn, I can FEEL that one!). I guess to sum up 5H Uranus, I would say:

Positive: distinctive self expression, eternal seeker of new experience
negative: erratic and unfocused :p too much need for change!

Shining Ray

08-05-2006, 10:47 AM

I have explained why I have changed my name in Astrology Weekly Names, I don't know if you can change your name in the Control Panel, I know that you can change your Avatar.

I am back to Junior Member and have lost my Senior Status. Just does not suit my Venus in Capricorn/Saturn 1st House. :D

Never mind I will just annoy everyone with my thousands of threads and useless answers. To get me back to Senior Member. I bet you probably can change your name without losing your posts. I like to do things the hard way.

Well as for the meanings of the planets in my book I will use what I think fits. Some of the meanings are extreme and don't always fit with your personality as a whole.

Maybe Radu or Arien can work their magic and get my posts back.

Shining Ray

SimplyRed

10-12-2006, 04:26 AM

Hi,

I know someone with Venus in fifth square Pluto and many freedom aspect indicators. It seems for this person to be satisfied, there has to be more than one lover or more than two relationships at once.

What is soooooooo sad about this, they have a Cancer moon and Sag sun.

Cancer moon wants to life long partner and Sag wants a new horizon or person to go after for romance. LOL sun in fifth as well.

Very interesting chart. Saturn in fifth as well.
O degrees Jupiter in third Libra mutually receptive to Venus in Sag almost 0 orb.

Seems to me in order for someone with conflicting personality traits, they have to becomed involved creativiely versus continual romance.

But the pluto square Venus cause such upheavel and compulsive behaviors the Jupiter at 0 Libra in third never gets going.

Very interesting chart cause of 0 virgo pluto, 0 libra Jupiter, 2 Neptune scorpio and venus 0 Sag. ascendant 1 Leo

Seems all are born with a few hurdles to get past before even a 0 Jupiter at Aries point can get going well.

Energy is just energy. many use it differently. Planets are energy

What makes the difference in how it is used, cultures, religion, family.
Rambling.

Claire19

10-24-2006, 01:44 AM

With Venus in the 5th you are promised an artistic attractive child and also strong possibility of a female child at some point. I could feel the love you have for this child through your post.:)

Claire

Claire19

10-24-2006, 01:49 AM

Uranus in Leo and/or 5th house can denote a child out of wedlock, a surprise or a shock pregnancy and also miscarriage, depending on the aspects of course. You may have an eccentric brilliant but erratic child. You may also foster from the poorer countries or adopt.

It can mean homosexuality or unconventional sexual life and attitudes also a desire for freedom in those relationships, sudden infatuations and sudden endings. Altogether not boring and full of upheaval. Also a strong magnetism is present and can be attractive to others as a result and opportunities for many affairs.

Claire

Shining Ray

10-24-2006, 06:16 AM

Hi Claire,

I am hoping for a little girl for my next pregnancy. Maybe this Venus will be a strong indicator I will have a girl in the future. My Venus is sextile Uranus and the pregnancy was a surprise very unexpected but a nice surprise.

I have a square from Pluto to my Venus in Capricorn/5th house. An Astrologer has looked at my child's chart because it is a very challenging chart, he has very strong Pluto aspects hitting exactly on the angles involving his Sun. I can't explain it but if you see the chart you can see the challenges.

The Astrologer told me he is Powerfully creative, and he will have a very self sufficient personality. I can see this reflected in my chart my Pluto (powerful) square to my Venus in Capricorn (self sufficient) in 5th creative child. Also reflecting his strong Plutonian personality.

It is amazing of what you can see in a chart.

Mikey279x

11-17-2006, 08:25 PM

I have Sun,Venus,Mercury and Mars in the 5th house so hopefully I'll get a son and daughter!!!

SimplyRed

11-17-2006, 08:58 PM

Hi, I do not know this software yet:)

However, what is the ruler of this fifth house as this implies much and what sign.

Or just give me your birth data

The fifth house is a Leo house. Leo loves children, parties, romance, and most of all creativity. This not only the house of children but FUN as well.

For instance, if this is an Pisces 5 house, the planets would be more inclined carry pisces traits. Neptune would be the ruler and see where neptune is.

Libra; Romance par excellence and art

Cancer, buisness, I would say and one heck of an imagination. master at energy work and play, Home

probably children, but I would look at the ruler of the house as well and see how it is aspected.

SimplyRed

Discover

11-24-2006, 08:36 AM

What about pluto in the 5th house? Mine is in virgo.
Does anyone have such an aspect or ideas in how it would express itself?

Summery Joy

11-24-2006, 12:44 PM

I should be interested in the answer to Discover's question as well. I have my Libra Pluto in the 5th. Although I can offer one tip. Pluto is all about extremes, and so is my romantic life. I'm either lost between many different guys who are suddenly interested in me or I get stuck in long patches of nothing and no one for a long time.

Yoi

11-24-2006, 01:04 PM

Claire19

12-02-2006, 11:14 AM

I have Saturn in Leo in 5th and have no children, not wanting the responsibility which I saw as a burden. I take my hobbies and leisure time pursuits seriously and have over the years made jewellery with stones. (Saturn) Leo (creativity) amongst other:59: things. I dont gamble. I holiday alone and have taken my romances seriously, often with older persons and Leos. I am not really social despite being a Leo sun sign and was very shy as a child. I dont like partying. I never really knew how to play or be spontaneous. These are some of the manifestations of Saturn Leo 5th. I was a late bloomer to romance and love and was always cautious. This placement is prevalent in my family.

Claire

Andonis

12-02-2006, 02:32 PM

Hehehe....Moon in the 5th......Party sex love affairs and fun. I must cry!

SimplyRed

12-02-2006, 10:00 PM

Pluto in fifth, would be extremes, Pluto is something else

Famous dancer, had Uranus singleton in fifth.

Saturn in fifth, all fifth house matters are taken seriously,
Moon in fifth, yea, could be party time or at times more introverted like.

For me, I have gemini fifth, nothing but vesta there.

Aqua Merc the ruler in first, trines Neptune opposes pluto and square Saturn

So, fun for me can be abstract and imagination, and can get carried away cause of pluto.
My children, LOL
One is a Scorpio, the other a Leo
Two daughters, one is serious and deep with imagination, the other is very imaginative and creative, organized.
Both, buy the same clothes even when they are not around each other, same color, everything. Twin like
:)
I guess Vesta is ritualistic like, who knows

freedomlover

12-02-2006, 10:51 PM

Haha. I got Saturn and Pluto in my 5th house. The Saturn is the focus of a T-square too.

No, I don't know the meaning of the word "fun". No quite literally I cannot be spontaneous. Also my idea of "fun" is to go on learning courses (**** that air grand trine too!) or to do long complex difficult stuff. I can't even be spontaneous choosing movies to watch. It has to be according to some plan, criteria (Saturn is in Virgo too) etc. There has to be some *reason* why I'm watching this **** movie. If I exercise there has to be some practical use to it e.g. I like stuff like martial arts and horse riding but not aerobics because the later has no 'practical' use. I suspect Pluto just makes Saturn's seriousness worse really.

I have to weep :(
I about fell out when I read this post! It sounds like you're describing me, as well, Yoi! Believe me, I know your pain. However, I don't have anything in the 5th, except my True Node in Gemini. The link to my chart is on this post if anyone would like to see what would be causing this identical problem in my chart. I feel like I'm imprisoned. Yoi, do you also have trouble "feeling your feelings"?

SimplyRed

12-02-2006, 11:08 PM

Hey, I an the anti thesis to Saturn and pluto in fifth house.

I wish that at times, I did not have all the water planets and more reason than spontoneity.

Feeling, emotions, and Saturn contacts all planets except Neptune.

So, I can relate in a wierd way. I have fun, but have to really work at it and create a world that no one else can enter. Once I share my fun, somehow it becomes messsed up.

My ninth harmonic is incredible. world of my own.
My fifth is wild too.
But my fourth harmonic is not too great.

Along with mars oppose Saturn and square Venus. So, karma or what, I can surely relate.

Mikey279x

12-28-2006, 03:12 AM

what is Sun.Venus,Mercury,Mars in Leo in the fifth house signify?

Claire19

12-28-2006, 05:54 AM

without your chart, cant tell much. Lots of children, lovers, hobbies, entertainments, speculation, leisure activities!!!!. A very Leonine chart with the Sun in its natural house. A strong focus on these at least.

Claire

sara31tx

05-21-2007, 07:30 PM

hermetic

04-22-2008, 10:57 PM

Claire19

04-24-2008, 07:18 AM

How about Uranus and Mars conj in Sag along with Jupiter in Scorpio - all in 5th house?

my mom has Neptune in 5th and got herself a 2 dreamers, both my brother and I are artistic and completely illusion-prone types. Plus it brought her several miscarriages. looking back at it, it all seems right according to this placement.
Yes I agree

Now for your Uranus conjunct Mars in Sag, do you collect or build aircraft especially of military type. I am sure you have an interest in foreign places and have or will travel overseas for your vacation time. You could develop an interest in new age sciences and you would be good at promoting an invention that you may come up with. Of course astrology belongs to Uranus and Sagittarius is the seeking after higher truth. Jupiter in Scorpio there once again backs that up. You may become involved in the occult sciences also and wish to find the deeper workings of the psyche etc.

Claire19

04-24-2008, 07:21 AM

I have Sun,Venus,Mercury and Mars in the 5th house so hopefully I'll get a son and daughter!!!

Hey! you could have twins!!:) I would say that both sexes are indicated.
You must be very creative I have to say.

Claire19

04-24-2008, 07:30 AM

What about pluto in the 5th house? Mine is in virgo.
Does anyone have such an aspect or ideas in how it would express itself?

Can be interested in health and hygiene and healing arts using proper diet, as a pastime. You may like to cook or grow herbs, make clothes. Read a lot about occult and deep subjects, write a mystery novel, crime stories, depends on the ruler of the 5th and aspects elsewhere. A child born can be very intense, go to extremes especially with food and clothing issues. Do you have a Scorpionic child or had an intense love affair with someone dominating or jealous. You need to watch the food you eat when holidaying and you can have digestive problems and gastric symptoms.

Claire19

04-24-2008, 07:35 AM

I have Venus in the 5th house. This is nothing like me. Can something else in your chart change this.

Venus in the 5th can mean an attractive female child, a love of children and can be very artistic in your leisure pursuits. You may have an interest in literary pursuits and paint and play and listen to music and dance. You may make money from speculation and have a love of romance and attract many lovers.:) Without the sign on the cusp and the aspects to Venus I am only guessing.

We need the whole chart as I say over and over again.

Miss Saturn

04-24-2008, 09:49 AM

On the topic of the 5th house, I have been thinking about the whole way the Asc/5th/9th houses enhance eachother. An interesting chart with Sun in 5th (I think he has this placement, as the chart was shown in Equal, something I will double check later). Louis Armstrong has a grand fire trine involving Asc//Sun/Moon/Uranus all in fire signs. I would have to redraw the chart to see it fully, but Louis didn't seem to have trouble expressing himself confidently and positively, although he had Moon square Saturn, possibly on an emotional level there must have been some disappointments.

I should double check charts before discussing them :D but Sun in Leo 5th involved in a grand fire trine, is a positive enthusiastic placement. Not like my somber placements :rolleyes:. I have also been thinking along the lines of how the 9th enhances the 1st house of self expression, the 5th is easier to understand as it involves the things you like to do and enjoy. I have looked at the 9th house in terms of the world view you have, your religion, expansion of the mind which leads to self growth all enhancing the 1st house of how you then approach the world. I will explore all this deeper myself, as I have trouble with 9th house not completely comfortable there.

I wish I had Loius Armstrong's positive approach, I am more Saturn in 1st, Chiron in 9th. From my earlier years I wouldn't have exactly viewed the world as so wonderful.

Time has changed some of my views. A beautiful song though :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc

hermetic

04-24-2008, 03:05 PM

Yes I agree

Now for your Uranus conjunct Mars in Sag, do you collect or build aircraft especially of military type. I am sure you have an interest in foreign places and have or will travel overseas for your vacation time. You could develop an interest in new age sciences and you would be good at promoting an invention that you may come up with. Of course astrology belongs to Uranus and Sagittarius is the seeking after higher truth. Jupiter in Scorpio there once again backs that up. You may become involved in the occult sciences also and wish to find the deeper workings of the psyche etc.

Thank you Claire. :)
Seems like you got it right - astrology and occult interest me a lot, except I am more of a calm type of person(sun libra, asc cancer) so nothing military/aircrafts appeals to me. although I must say that I do not feel this conjuction has much effect on me in other areas except in love relationships - sudden twists, sudden break-ups. :o and creativity areas - calm, calm and then boom, complete outburst of energy.

What could be expected in children area? I think that I read somewhere troubles, difficulty giving birth, accidents also for this conj. Is it true?

aquarius7000

04-24-2008, 08:34 PM

Thank you Claire. :)
Seems like you got it right - astrology and occult interest me a lot, except I am more of a calm type of person(sun libra, asc cancer) so nothing military/aircrafts appeals to me. although I must say that I do not feel this conjuction has much effect on me in other areas except in love relationships - sudden twists, sudden break-ups. :o and creativity areas - calm, calm and then boom, complete outburst of energy.

What could be expected in children area? I think that I read somewhere troubles, difficulty giving birth, accidents also for this conj. Is it true?
Uranus conj Mars could push one into sudden (Uranus) love affairs, but also equally sudden break-ups. Are there also times when you have sudden spurts of creativity, or do you fancy sports like mountain climbing or bungee jumping? This conjuction could also make one more prone to gambling.
Your Q re children, the conjunction again could mean an unplanned child birth, or (yes) a somewhat complicated delivery (not a must though, as we are not talking opppsition or square)

ninetta

04-26-2008, 09:09 AM

[quote=Shining Ray]Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

hi! what happens when URANUS is in 5th house in sagitarius and is UNASPECTED??
some ideas please!

thank you:)

Yoi

04-26-2008, 09:18 AM

Oops looks like I already posted.

aquarius7000

04-26-2008, 10:01 AM

[quote=Shining Ray]Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

hi! what happens when URANUS is in 5th house in sagitarius and is UNASPECTED??
some ideas please!

thank you:)
I just posted to a Q on unaspected Jupiter in the Thread: Unaspected Planets. So similarly here also
An Unaspected Uranus: can appear quite intense and one-pointed in its expression (=more true for higher octave planets), since its energy is not colored by other planets. This Uranus can become most self-contained and independent of outside social influence. It tends to be less driven to inaugurate breakthroughs in the outerworld environment in the more open, rebellious manner of a heavily-aspected Uranus. The detachment quality of unaspected planets can be accentuated, since Uranus by itself already tends to be impersonal. There could be short and unexpected periods of much restlessness and discontent. Uranus' potential for presenting one with unsettling conditions or abrupt turnabouts of outer affairs, however, is for the most part limited (confined only to the affairs of its house position) without disrupting other features of the individual's life. Also such a Uranus-individual would need complete indepence in the matters of the house Uranus occupies in the chart and/or also the one it 'lords over' :)

As Lord of 5 = Urnaus will demand heavily one or more of the following points:
Individual freedom of expression through inventive and creative activity, unusual pleasures or an unconventional love life; liking for odd, new or daring pleasures, or unusual places of amusement. It could trigger off some danger through speculation, risk-taking or games of chance. Expect many changes, unusual experiences and constructive crises in your life related to the above issues.
Remember that House 5 is LEO's own domicile so all the above could be very pronounced.
Hope this helps!!! Aquarius7000 :sunny:

Claire19

04-27-2008, 06:26 AM

[quote=Shining Ray]Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

hi! what happens when URANUS is in 5th house in sagitarius and is UNASPECTED??
some ideas please!

thank you:)

Uranus in 5th can mean an interest in aviation, astronomy, astrology, new age sciences. A love to travel as a pastime. An unusual child or one born in unconventional circumstances, a quirkly lover or one that is met overseas and a quick infatuation that may end just as quickly. All depends on the ruler of the 5th and its aspects. It is like Uranus conjunct Jupiter conjunct Sun but not exactly. Uranus in Leo is not quite the same as Uranus in the 5th.
A gypsy aspect and unreliable conditions with speculation and stock market with ups and downs.

Claire19

04-27-2008, 06:38 AM

Uranus conj Mars could push one into sudden (Uranus) love affairs, but also equally sudden break-ups. Are there also times when you have sudden spurts of creativity, or do you fancy sports like mountain climbing or bungee jumping? This conjuction could also make one more prone to gambling.
Your Q re children, the conjunction again could mean an unplanned child birth, or (yes) a somewhat complicated delivery (not a must though, as we are not talking opppsition or square)

I agree that there has to be more taken into consideration re childbirth. The Moon and its aspects and where. The conjunction can mean a male child who is unusual or born in unconventional circumstances. Can be a sudden delivery. This aspect tends to quick births. THere could be forceps used in an induced birth. This child could be brilliant and inventive.

aquarius7000

04-27-2008, 08:16 AM

[quote=Shining Ray]Uranus in Leo or the 5th House

hi! what happens when URANUS is in 5th house in sagitarius and is UNASPECTED??
some ideas please!

thank you:)
This is an add-on to what Claire19 very aptly said

Consider the example from very recent times - J.Lo. had twins, and though she doesn't have Uranus in 5, but has 5 in Aquarius (ruled by Uranus).
Furthermore, Uranus in 5 can also make you interested in not-so-common sports, ones also with more of a risk factor involved (like bunjee jumping, mountain climbing..)
Also Uranus in 5 (Leo's domain) could make you have a very unique form of self-expression (something like what that gypsy aspect, Claire19 mentioned).
You could also be uniquely creative or have sudden spurts of high creativity.

Hope this helps! Aquarius7000

Miss Saturn

04-27-2008, 12:03 PM

Hi Ninetta,

Aquarius and Claire gave very good interpretations for you. All I know is that if a planet is not aspected it is not as integrated into the rest of the chart. My Uranus has a lot of aspects to it, and the planet is involved a lot in my life, more mentally (Uranus in 3rd) with your Uranus is 5th from what I have been reading is that it falls on the axis of identity, and your Uranus falls in the 5th so this means of your own personal identity. How individual are you?, how do you express yourself?, you may not be able to define your identity in normal ways, the placement can be likened to a Sun/Uranus aspect. If you have children they can be intellectual, or creative maybe rebellious. It also depends on your attitude towards children and how this affects your own identity.

hermetic

04-27-2008, 01:03 PM

I agree that there has to be more taken into consideration re childbirth. The Moon and its aspects and where. The conjunction can mean a male child who is unusual or born in unconventional circumstances. Can be a sudden delivery. This aspect tends to quick births. THere could be forceps used in an induced birth. This child could be brilliant and inventive.

very well explained, thank you a lot.
What would you say for a case when this Mars Uranus conjunction is in sextile with Aquarius Moon from the seventh house?

DiDi

04-27-2008, 01:22 PM

ive not really given my 5th H much thought as ive never had trouble finding romance or haveing children... but now that im trying to understand my houses.. maybe i should have been... glad i diddnt..
I have (28 aqu-4 aries) in it is (saturn 6 pis)(chiron 16 pis) opp 11H (uranus and pluto 13 and 16 virgo)...
my children have been unexpected even thou i was married just never tryed for them, when we did i couldnt fall. my romances are allways uranus traits.
I have 3 teens, id like another one.. I wonder how one would find that out?

SunMoon

05-14-2008, 06:23 AM

Hi all.

I don't know if this has been mentioned before in this thread but i have both Venus( in Scorpio) and Saturn (in Sag) in the 5th house (in Sagittarius) and i was just wondering how this two very different planets work out together in the house of fun? I have read the interpretation of each separately and they seem to contradict each other. So, any thoughts on this would be very much appreciated. :)

And if it helps if i list the aspects on my chart, here they are:

Venus trine moon
Venus trine Mars
Venus trine Ascendant
Venus trine MC

Saturn square Jupiter
Saturn conjunct Uranus
Saturn trine North Node
Saturn conjunct Chiron

aquarius7000

05-14-2008, 07:26 AM

..i have both Venus( in Scorpio) and Saturn (in Sag) in the 5th house (in Sagittarius) ..So, any thoughts on this would be very much appreciated. :)
Fifth is Leo's domicile so Sag (fire sign) would make a very active and fiery house of romantic affairs, creativity, sports, etc..
Venus in 5, generally, calls for a romantic butterfly, even a casanova (however Sco-Venus would not be that fiery). Also Venus here should make you quite talented, creative, perhaps interested in sports..
Saturn will make a more cautious houe of fun and games, so say if you take to sports you might like to avoid risky ones like mountain climbing etc.. with Saturn there, or you might be less into things like gambling for fear of losing. Saturn in 5 could also mean having kids later in life, or children who will give parents more than their fair share of problems. Saturn here would mean being less inclined to flirts as Saturn is too heavy & mature for 'light' affairs of the heart. Saturn wants everything to be important, and matters of the 5th are too frivolous for it, so it might be felt as too controlling and restrictive here by the native.

SunMoon

05-16-2008, 12:28 AM

Hi Aquarius7000,

Yeah, i think you're right. But isn't Saturn always too controling? I have a Capricorn sun by the way so that probably doesn't help. I'm not very
creative. I mean i try but i'm just not good at it. People often say i am good at visual arts but i don't think so. And because i'm expected to be very good at them i've become even more critical than i was before. In the end, have no idea if i actually am creatively talented or not. I'm not good at sports, however since others agree about this i can actually not take it so seriously and do it for the fun without any pressure to be good at it. I actually would be willing to try mountain climbing, or sky diving, i'm not afraid of heights or of those kinds of risks. I just don't think i would like
mountain climbing enough to risk my life for it. I don't like gambling though, you're right. I'm too realistic about the strong possibility of losing and i don't do gambling. Children are not in my plans... You're right about the part ''less inclined to flirts as Saturn is too heavy & mature for 'light' affairs of the heart''. And I'm sorry, but i just now realize i made a mistake, i was supposed to write: Scorpio in the cusp of the fifth. So, i think it's like you wrote, Scorpio would not be that fiery. Thank you for helping me with this part of my chart. But i still have one question, if Saturn overrules Venus, what's the point of having these two in the same house? Oh, and i have to ask, what's Aquarius Coffee?

sandyv63

05-23-2008, 08:53 PM

I so totally relate to those of you who don't conform to the typical 5th house interpretations. I have the Sun, Venus, Uranus and Pluto in Virgo in the 5th all within 9 degrees. Leo is on my 5th house cusp. I've never been a social butterfly; I don't have nor want children; I prefer to spend time alone; social gatherings drain me (granted, most of this comes from a 12th house Moon.) I am intelligent and curious and a good time for me is to learn something new. I much prefer mental pursuits to physical activity. Sports used to be interesting to me when I was young but now it seems insane to me to pay people ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. It just seems so unimportant. Yes, I've always been considered a bit eccentric but this never bothered me. I am a risk taker but I am not a gambler. The risk-taking no doubt comes from that 12th house Aries Moon and the mental pursuits are the result of Mercury and Mars in Libra in the 6th house, not conjunct. The 6th is intercepted and the Moon opposes Mars, thanks Mom for all that wonderful child abuse.

I'm not trying to be overly cynical. I just want to point out that sometimes these cookbook explanations are very shallow and downright misleading without considering and integrating the rest of the chart. You'd think with so much 5th house activity I'd have more suitors than I could handle, have a house full of children, and live an exciting lifestyle full of glamour and fun. Hardly! I just finished a gruelling five year stint as a college student (talk about a late bloomer...) during some rough Pluto transits to all my 5th house planets and much to my surprise, I was a very successful student. There were no fun and games during that time, just hard work.

As a matter of fact, nothing about my life has been fun, glamorous or particularly exciting. It's been a constant struggle starting at birth. I became interested in astrology when I was a kid, right after my father died. I never, ever related to all that happy fun stuff attributed to the 5th house. Sometimes I feel much more like a Saturn in the 5th house type but my Saturn is in the 11th house. I suppose a lot of this might be explained by Chiron in Pisces in the 11th house opposite all this wonderful 5th house energy. I've included my natal chart for those of you who like a challenge, hehehe.

tetka

05-23-2008, 11:45 PM

I am one of those who have a lot of planets in 5-th house- Jupiter and Venus in Scorpio and Sun, Neptune and Mercury in Sagittarius. And all I can say is that I am one of those who don’t have a lot of kids – have none actually (and honesty I wonder if I want any).
For sure I like sports – but have stopped to yoga (which I take it as huge part of my life), I do have competition character but I never liked such a sports. Don’t drink and don’t gamble, don’t enjoy in huge companies but rather stay alone with myself or few friend around me. I like singing and dancing- but only for myself-not to expose myself.
Since early dead of my father – when I was not even 8 years old, death becomes the biggest mystery for me. And that moved me closer to Buddhism, and later to other religions.
I do like to learn new things- languages, now astrology, but as years are going my patience for learning is smaller- so with time that is changing.
I don’t like boundaries, like to feel free – and maybe because of that I got married few years ago.
And I like my family for sure. I adore my mum and the way she grown me and my brother.
So, I feel like total Sagittarius, with strong Jupiter characteristics that correspond to those for 5-th house, but in many actions I am restricted by Saturn in 11 house in Taurus.

Ah yes- Detriments - Venus in Scorpio:-No values of life mate. And Mercury in Sagittarius:-No values of talk
I am not sure how to understand them. Of course I cant live with someone that I don’t respect or someone I think is stupid. About Mercury – I don’t talk a lot neither listen people who talk a lot. My opinion is that everything can be said in few words. Probably even my writing sound like that. Reading between lines and getting the point is the most important. Soo. .. maybe that means no values of talk.
this is part of me
tetka

blueheron

05-24-2008, 12:25 AM

Hi Solastro,

My Sons 5th house cusp is Capricorn like mine. So possibly this may mean he will take his Creative pursuits or hobbies seriously.

Miss S

I have Cap on the 5th. My best creative expressions are those that require a lot of work (Saturn,) but I enjoy the work! My Moon is there also, in Aquarius. Love children. Worked my way through college as a girl's camp program director and aquatics director. Love the disciplines of swimming, running, yoga. :)

Miss Saturn

05-24-2008, 03:27 PM

Hi blueheron,

I think more of my creative side has manifested a bit more as I have got a bit older, Capricorn planets take their time. I have my ruler Saturn conjunct my Asc, maybe part of my creative side needs to be expressed concretely, but it does seem to take a lot of effort. You seem able to express your energies, Miss Discipline :) It's probably good that you have a lot of sport interests to really express yourself, group energy maybe expressed by Moon in Aquarius.

blueheron

05-24-2008, 04:20 PM

Miss Saturn

05-24-2008, 10:23 PM

I must be more solitary and frustrated in the 5th, this a reading I have read on ruler of 5th in 1st. By Alan Oken:

The nature of the personal expression is greatly heightened. This is an individual who embodies her creative objectives in a highly personalised manner, a person who is usually quite preoccupied with making a name for herself in the world. The astrologer can therefore imagine the level of frustration in the life of someone with this position when a challenged Saturn is the ruler of the fifth in the First. This placement would indicate tremendous creative inhibitions and a holding back of creative drive.

blueheron

05-25-2008, 12:18 AM

I must be more solitary and frustrated in the 5th, this a reading I have read on ruler of 5th in 1st. By Alan Oken:

Well, I'd argue with that interpretation. Saturn can give excellent form (structure) to creative expression, but it does take work. ;)

tsquare

05-25-2008, 12:56 AM

I have noticed saturn in the 5th to point towards aritists.
RockNRoll, Punk Rock, Etc...

Patti Smith
Anthony Keidis-RHCP
Jim Morrison-The doors
It seems the self expression becomes crystalized...
There is a tendency to towards fame....

Smith has it in Retro, and conj retro pluto.....
She made a name for herself and has inspired many in the dirrection she went..it was all hard work.
She's a cap sun as well, sun conj mars, in the 9thH.
She has ruler on the 9thH in the 5thH

Keidis has ruller of 4thH in 5thH/

Morrison has ruller of 12H in 5thH..barely....he has an aquarious asc...1st degree.

smilingsteph

05-25-2008, 01:00 AM

I think that saturn can give a sense of determination and drive, also a focus to what you are doing.
Saturn almost tells you "you cannot do it" "it is not attainable" yet it brings forth a perserverance to help one succeed.
If in the fifth saturn tells you here that "you need to work on yourself in this realm."
If we are still on the subject of capricorn in the fifth, then saturn in the fifth one could do extremely well in the school setting if trying to learn a creative trade.

Miss Saturn

05-25-2008, 11:29 AM

Yes your right Blueheron :) out of all the placements, rulers etc, Saturn can give structure to artistic creative forms, through hard work regarding the 5th house.

T,square I have read Saturn/Neptune can be in the charts of musicians. I would agree that Saturn placed in the 5th could create some real artistic creative talent. As smilingsteph was saying also perservernace and determination can bring something more concrete. Probably when the self doubts are overcome I think.

Jenna Jupiter

06-13-2008, 08:00 PM

Have Moon, Venus, Mars, Neptune, Asc node, Lilith and Uranus in 5:th house. And Merucy but late. Don't know what to do with my energy... This is no house of fun for me.

Would Mars in 5:th house show hyperactivity?

aquarius7000

06-14-2008, 12:07 AM

Mars (=energy) in the fifth house (=house of Leo, self-expression etc) is very likely to make the native rather actively express that Martian energy through some activity related to the fifth directly, and/or the planets Mars aspects in the chart.
Lots depends on the ruler of the fifth (ie most likely to be the ruler of Mars too) as to mainly determine how this energy is released and for which areas of life it is primarily used. I have Moon and Mars in the fifth, in a conjuntion. This conjunction does, in the first instance, dishevel my emotions and make them very powerful. Ruler of the fifth is Saturn, as the two planets are in Cap. This makes the Martian energy assert itself in a more controlled, practical, and subdued manner. This would be different if Mars of fifth were say in Aries (=fire), in which case, it would be more forceful and agressive.
The difference between a Cap Mars in 5 and Aries Mars in 5 would be that the Aries Mars (Mars in fire=more active) would more actively live out the fifth house activities: sports, creativity, gambling etc.
Of course, you would have to also consider which planets aspect the fifth house Mars. Just like a Cap Mars, a Mars aspected by Saturn will also be more subdued than a Mars in an aspect to Jupiter or Sun - both of which would 'enthuse' the Martian energy

Claire19

06-14-2008, 07:02 AM

Wow, that is a full house!!!!. Dont forget it indicates your children, concerns about education as well as your ways of having fun, leisure and pleasure pursuits. Performing arts and your creativity. North node there is indicative of your path this time around. Its aspects and where they fall give a fuller picture.

Claire19

06-14-2008, 07:52 AM

We need to see your chart to make any comments on a very complex area of your chart. By the way the nodes dont take minor aspects such as quincunx. Only conjunctions, square, oppositions. Tight orbs of 3 degrees maximum at that. One school of thought is that any contact with the personal planets to the nodes are negative.

Saturn ruling with Capricorn on the cusp and its aspects are very telling. The firstborn thing you talk about is not valid. On the face of it Mars indicates boys, Moon a girl who is clingy or conversely will mother you, Uranus a sudden pregnancy or a miscarriage or one unexpected or adopted.\. Venus indicates a pretty and artistic or musical girl. Jupiter can indicate a large family or a child who is sporty and jovial, big or loud. These are generalisations only. Always we must look at the whole chart for the right answers.

aquarius7000

06-14-2008, 11:13 AM

Saturn ruling with Capricorn on the cusp and its aspects are very telling. ..Always we must look at the whole chart for the right answers.Hi Claire,
Though one must look at the complete chart- I agree, would you say however that Cap as lord of 5, and with Moon sitting in 5, would make this Moon sort of reserved, fearful and even gloomy:confused:. Just curious as I have Moon and Mars in 5- ruled by Cap, and both planets are opposed by Cancerian Saturn of 11 (11 has Gemini on the cusp).

aquarius7000

06-15-2008, 07:06 AM

My moon is Aquarius, I don't feel very gloomy... :rolleyes::)
I can understand that you don't - an Aquarian Moon, by itself, ought to be a cheerful one, but with a detached quality. :) It's a Capricorn Moon that is more inclined to melancholy.

Claire19

06-15-2008, 08:16 AM

Hi Claire,
Though one must look at the complete chart- I agree, would you say however that Cap as lord of 5, and with Moon sitting in 5, would make this Moon sort of reserved, fearful and even gloomy:confused:. Just curious as I have Moon and Mars in 5- ruled by Cap, and both planets are opposed by Cancerian Saturn of 11 (11 has Gemini on the cusp).
Moon in Capricorn opposed by Saturn in Cancer can lead to negative emotions especially about the areas in which they are situated in the chart. 5th, 11th. Mars involved can mean suppressed anger and aggression and a feeling of living with an engine revving but with the brakes on. These planets are in mutual reception and this leads to a ceasing of the activities they involve.

Hey

06-22-2008, 09:30 PM

So what about Bill Gates' Venus conjunct Saturn in the fifth house?

ninetta

06-23-2008, 10:29 AM

Uranus in 5th house can denote a child out of wedlock, a surprise or a shock pregnancy and also miscarriage, depending on the aspects of course. You may have an eccentric brilliant but erratic child. You may also foster from the poorer countries or adopt. Claire

hi Claire19. i personally have Uranus in 5th in sagitarius, unaspected. i was a "surprise" for my mother when she was pregnant of me, cause she wanted a boy, and i was a girl.:D
sometimes i am very eccentric, and i have sudden spurs of creativity, but i do not know how to focus them , since Uranus is unaspected.
i thought about the adoption, and i think it will be a "reason" for me, maybe, since i have this Uranus in 5th in opposition to chiron and node north in 11th ( organisations, groups, projects, the others..)
what do you think about it?

Claire19

06-24-2008, 03:57 AM

hi Claire19. i personally have Uranus in 5th in sagitarius, unaspected. i was a "surprise" for my mother when she was pregnant of me, cause she wanted a boy, and i was a girl.:D
sometimes i am very eccentric, and i have sudden spurs of creativity, but i do not know how to focus them , since Uranus is unaspected.
i thought about the adoption, and i think it will be a "reason" for me, maybe, since i have this Uranus in 5th in opposition to chiron and node north in 11th ( organisations, groups, projects, the others..)
what do you think about it?

NN in 11th is the house of Aquarius and where Uranus rules. I feel you could become involved in humanitarian issues in group endeavour.With Chiron involved, which is the wounded healer, you can help others that feel different, dispossessed or out of sync as you know how that is. Involvement with radio and television as a leisure time activity is one outlet for your 5th. Also aviation as an interest. You may suddenly take off on a vacation and by air of course and have surprising or out of the blue events take place. Your Mum would need to have influence of Aquarius or Uranus in her 5th for it to be a surprise or a shock pregnancy.

Claire19

06-24-2008, 04:00 AM

My moon is Aquarius, I don't feel very gloomy... :rolleyes::)
Moon in Aquarius is erratic and not particularly a cheerful position. However the aspects need to be looked at. It has a detached quality and can indicate people in the family with mental problems and eccentric. They can be brilliant but also display madness.

Claire19

06-24-2008, 04:07 AM

So what about Bill Gates' Venus conjunct Saturn in the fifth house?

Without looking at his chart this aspect can mean hobbies or leisure activities that involve money making and require patience, precision and discipline. It can indicate only one child, female or an attitude of great responsibility towards children and a love of teaching and education. We would need to look at the house ruler, the sign and other aspects.

It could be that his empire was started as a hobby or a leisure time pursuit and grew from there. I dont know.

ninetta

06-24-2008, 08:17 AM

NN in 11th is the house of Aquarius and where Uranus rules. I feel you could become involved in humanitarian issues in group endeavour.

Your Mum would need to have influence of Aquarius or Uranus in her 5th for it to be a surprise or a shock pregnancy.

Hi Claire, so isnt a bad aspect Uranus in opposition to "his own house" with NN and Chiron there? cause i allways thought oppositions were cause of "frustations", "problems"...etc.
NN conjunct Chiron are in Geminis (cuspide of house 11).
could i know more of your advise for it?

thanks a lot

Claire19

06-28-2008, 05:25 AM

Hi Claire, so isnt a bad aspect Uranus in opposition to "his own house" with NN and Chiron there? cause i allways thought oppositions were cause of "frustations", "problems"...etc.
NN conjunct Chiron are in Geminis (cuspide of house 11).
could i know more of your advise for it?

thanks a lot

The way I look at is with oppositions they are out in the open and easier to deal with, often with other people. A compromise or adjustment needs to be achieved. Remember that the challenging aspects are opportunities to grow and progress and can be turned into good ones. True that Uranus is at odds in the 5th house but then Uranus is an "odd' planet. The aspects made to any planet tell the full picture. I dont use the words good or bad.

jamiescott

10-12-2008, 04:27 PM

See you later JJ, I'm going to bed, thanks for the music.:)

nejispirit

10-12-2008, 08:19 PM

Well, technically my 5th house is empty except for my Cappy Vertex;

Sappho trine Vertex
Saturn sextile Vertex
Uranus semisextile Vertex
Ceres trine Vertex
True Node trine Vertex
Lilith, Venus, Mercury, Moon all square Vertex

I do know what a Vertex can indicate in relation to it's degree to that same degree in someone else's chart that you know, but in relation to the 5th house and in aspects, what does it indicate? I cannot find but very little information on the Vertex :confused:

MeduzZa

02-01-2009, 08:07 PM

I have all these 5 planets in 5th house trine MC.
How will affect it on my career?

Claire19

02-12-2009, 07:47 AM

Hi Solastro,

My Sons 5th house cusp is Capricorn like mine. So possibly this may mean he will take his Creative pursuits or hobbies seriously.

Miss S
Maybe but his Saturn will be doing something very different to yours. Saturn also rules gems, stones and techniques using metal equipment for instance.

Often people will turn a pastime into a career with this. However planets in the 5th will override a ruler of a house always.

Claire19

02-12-2009, 07:51 AM

Claire19

02-12-2009, 07:55 AM

I have all these 5 planets in 5th house trine MC.
How will affect it on my career?

Can be the education of children, also leisure and pleasure pursuits. Travel guide or resort manager. You will have choices and that is for sure.
Very creative and especially with ceramics, pottery, and music.
You can be a landscape artist or architect. You may also be involved in the stock market and involved in the banking industry.

tsquare

02-12-2009, 03:45 PM

I have probably already mentioned this in this thread...so It may be a repeat.
I have noticed that Saturn in teh 5th is a sign of creative people, mainly artists and musicians. Odd really when viewed from Saturn as restrictive, yet Saturn is also planning, so if 5th house deals with self expression, maybe there is some aspect of planning that the person does on their self expression and how they present theirselves. They may set personal limitations or may have personal limitations on how they present theirself,but they may also be self created for a reason.

I should list a few.

Many are lead singers in bands.
Rock, and Punk, etc.
I thought that strange, and of course there is a whole chart to look at besides that and you cansee other varous things that point the person in the dirrection of who they are in the world, etc.

Saturn is also career, or at least capricorn is often indicative of career...I have started to think that wherever saturn is you may see some indicator of career.

Off the top of my head,
Jim Morrison
Patti Smith
Maybe Anthony Keidis...I can't recall for certain.
There are more...
hmm...
I'd have to look to find more, but I don't have the time right now...I noticed it before, that it was there, but I never wrote it all up or anything, just something i kept in mind.
Might be something interesting too look at.

I'll gather a few from astrotheme.
Keep n mind that it has been mentioned that astrotheme sometimes doesn't ahve accurate time of birth.
I have only heard this, I think I have noticed it once, mainly with John Lennon's chart, being I have seen a few different times of birth floating around out there and I'm not certain which is accurate.

Wolfgang Amadeus MOZART (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/JvVs4tY8TBz3.htm)
Jim MORRISON (THE DOORS) (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/6MfSPrG5Hmb4.htm)
SHAKIRA (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/QjD6SPt57KmY.htm)
Anthony KIEDIS (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/2xYZ4v85QWFc.htm)
Bob DYLAN (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/AyNyk8p56FCv.htm)
Courtney LOVE (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/uc2WEu6Cy573.htm)
Leonard COHEN (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/XLCcA4e3VkG3.htm)
Frank ZAPPA (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/DtUU25jS3NT9.htm)
Stevie NICKS (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/TtW8DXv7Q6GR.htm)
Bette DAVIS (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/32J6V2sYxMQY.htm)
Peter FRAMPTON (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/rcu7F3QFgTxL.htm)
BONO (1964) (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/h6733UNbt87t.htm)
Kris KRISTOFFERSON (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/aFAAaPf5pN32.htm)
Bing CROSBY (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/5V4G6G5eK4xp.htm)
Billie HOLIDAY (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/5M24b4v5WpRP.htm)
Clint BLACK (http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/uUFfA9aRe4YW.htm)

No order to this really, and not even all of them are singers, but all are performers...maybe they are related in some way by the planet in sign.
I haven't dove too much into this.

I only grabbed a few off the top of the list and I suppose it is listed by popularity...how many times people have looked at their charts, etc.

There may be nothing to it, it's just something that I have wanted to follow up but never have had the time to be that interested in all these different people.

I'm sure there are plenty of people with the placement that do not perform at all.
Only thing I find interesting is the restriction descriptions I read on the net off and of about sat urn in the 5th. Restrictions on creativity, and self expression, like people are limited in some way because of the placement...it doesn't always seem to be true, but there are a few different ways to look at the word, restrictions. If I set goals, or targets in an area, I ignore others, or I restrict myself from other areas. That cna be viewed as restrictions. THere is I am sure more to the word that I am not covering, and more to Saturn as well, but I thought that interesting.

I have also read, restriction in children, etc.
I don't know the people enough above to say..it's just I've never fully understood how children fit into the 5th house, etc.
The 5th house I find interesting since I have a Leo asc natally with Juno and Neptune conj in the 5th house, trine my asc.
5th house should be important to me in some way...I'm just wondering how it all plays out.

I have had fears of being any kind of performer, fears of drugs, etc, putting too much into anything and dying some unnatural death.
Neptune is the ruler of my 8th house....so is Jupiter and that is on IC in Scorpio...Jupiter also rules 5th house, Sagittarius and that is sextile Neptune...so all of that I am interested in looking at, just not sure how to quite look at it yet.

Acting is easy, comedy not a problem, I just have a tendency to want to escape roles, I don't like being anything in particular too long.
Fears of overdoing escapism...etc.
Escaping art forms, wanting to do something new, backlashes, etc...not sure if I'd handle it well, so I have avoided it. Don't like being trapped by creations or flows. Center of attention can be a dangerous place..you end up stuck, owned, unable to move.

Most that outflow to a crowd sometimes think it is just a one way communication. You can create an identity, a thing...like a person, and use that as a in between, but even that eventually get's created onto something as well, totally out of your control. IT's odd that a person rarely seems to make themselves up. People perceive you, you perceive them, you think there is something going on there, some totally agreed upon thing, and often there isn't anything there at all.
What people think of you is often what they think of their self.

Saturn is always sort of lumped in there with Hard work, and effort, putting in allot, sometimes sacrifice towards a result...
Neptune's maybe laziness and sensitivity, who knows, drugs always get brought up...same as with Scorpio, and moon, changeability, looniness..whatever...oddly enough many fire signs party like mad, so I really don't always understand that in total.
They like to have a good time.
Here's Sagittarius, the lush(sometimes..you get the idea, I'm speaking in generalities), and Jupiter is said to not have issues, Sagittarius is said to be, "higher learning" but what just is "higher learning". I suppose fire is less sensitive, less impressionable, many times even leaving impressions upon it's environment.
I have seen many with 5th house suns as performers of some kind, even with a water sign there. I always see it as performance of some kind...the ability to impress something upon the environment, etc.

Actors sometimes have Neptune in 5th, I've seen this mentioned somewhere else as well.
Neptune is interesting and difficult for me to understand sometimes...

byjove

02-12-2009, 03:52 PM

I have just been reading the meaning for Venus in the 5th house which I have in my birth chart. I have never really given it much thought or paid much attention to it.

I have just read an interpreation of it which says - You should never let anything get in the way of expressing yourself creatively, for your natural style is very real. If you have children it shows in them too.

I have a son my lovely little Angel (most of the time). I have just looked at his birth chart and he has his Moon and Neptune in his 5th how more creative can you be (takes after me you see) he is the spitting image of his father though, probably because my babys Sun is conjunct his Ascendant in the first house, and he is a Virgo Sun like his Dad. Anyway this placement also reflects me again because the Moon represents the Mother and in the 5th House - Creative Mother.
Miss S

Hi Ms. Saturn, yeah I'd agree with that interpretation of Venus in the 5th. I think that the creative potential is quite remarkable and you should cultivate it. Of course, it depends on the condition of Venus, if she has many hard aspects, it could deflate her, and mean that you work too hard to gain the appreciation of others, rather than let social intercourse be general and natural. So what aspects does your's have?

I've Venus in the 9th of Pisces trine Pluto in the 5th of Scorpio. So, regarding planets in the 5th, yeah I can find it hard to relax sometimes in 'simple' 'easy' pastimes, I can sometimes need something...intriguing...out of the ordinary...I love solving things. But I experience romance only on a truly passionate level, with rapture, intrigue etc. That's my brand of love! Anyone else have 5th Pluto? I also read we have a 'special destiny'.

tsquare

02-12-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenna Jupiter
My moon is Aquarius, I don't feel very gloomy... :rolleyes::)

Claire19,
Moon in Aquarius is erratic and not particularly a cheerful position. However the aspects need to be looked at. It has a detached quality and can indicate people in the family with mental problems and eccentric. They can be brilliant but also display madness.
Jessica Alba has moon in Aquarius, but not in 5th house, 6th house rather.
Someone sent me her chart the other day.
I always thought she was an Aquarius....turns out shes a Taurus sun.
I always thought this based on her personality. She reminded me of sun in Aquarius people that I know personally.
It reminded me of what someone said about females maybe being more represented by their moon, but who knows. I don't.
She appears eccentric, and somewhat erratic, I never know if that is simply the character she is portraying or not, it's not like I know her, appears not very gloomy, detached yes. Needs space, etc. She's always looking around herself, but I would be too if people were following me around taking pictures of me.
I've only seen a few of her movies...
Last was that Meet Chuck movie, a comedy...That might not even be the name of the movie..bad memory day.
I think there were a few issues with her father, but that could be anything.
Maybe even Uranus in 4th house.
I seem to gather many charts of people who have Uranus in the 4th house....I do this by accident. I have Uranus in the 4th house.

tsquare

02-12-2009, 04:17 PM

http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrites/criteres.php

Free Resources.
For anyone that doesn't know that this is there, it can be a fun tool for looking up planets in houses, planets in signs, etc.
It's on Astrotheme, and puts out a decent list of charts with the planet positions you are looking for.
It's a direct link to that section of Astrotheme.
I have fun with this sometimes, even playing around with trying to understand specific aspects, seeing if there is anything to them on any universal level.
I like finding people with sun at the same degree, then aspects to sun that are the same as my chart, to see of we are alike in any way.
It can generate a decent list of people quite often if you do not get too specific, but it can get specific enough.
Maybe double check birth times if you are going to get serious and play around with the asc, or anything like the moon, etc.

Shining Ray

02-12-2009, 04:31 PM

Maybe but his Saturn will be doing something very different to yours. Saturn also rules gems, stones and techniques using metal equipment for instance.

Often people will turn a pastime into a career with this. However planets in the 5th will override a ruler of a house always.

Hi Claire,

Yes I guess what is enjoyable can be a great way to earn money, I usually hate all my jobs. Maybe I should take hobbies up as careers might get more luck. :)

P.S (previously miss Saturn, my old forum name).

Shining Ray

02-12-2009, 04:43 PM

Hi Ms. Saturn, yeah I'd agree with that interpretation of Venus in the 5th. I think that the creative potential is quite remarkable and you should cultivate it. Of course, it depends on the condition of Venus, if she has many hard aspects, it could deflate her, and mean that you work too hard to gain the appreciation of others, rather than let social intercourse be general and natural. So what aspects does your's have?

I've Venus in the 9th of Pisces trine Pluto in the 5th of Scorpio. So, regarding planets in the 5th, yeah I can find it hard to relax sometimes in 'simple' 'easy' pastimes, I can sometimes need something...intriguing...out of the ordinary...I love solving things. But I experience romance only on a truly passionate level, with rapture, intrigue etc. That's my brand of love! Anyone else have 5th Pluto? I also read we have a 'special destiny'.

Hi Byjove,

My Venus in Capricorn is sextile Moon/Mercury opposed Jupiter and square Pluto. I can feel rejected easily, I'm not naturally social. I have realized I can't fully open up my heart, and I don't fully trust people. I test people's affection, if the bond isnt strong I'll break it off. I would say I was creative, but i'm kind of afraid to let myself go fully in a creative way, if that makes sense. I can't let go to even enjoy myself, I hold back. You have a beautiful watery Venus, deep, and soulful. I have read Pluto in 5th can be very magnetic, and you can achieve fame or attention in whatever area you apply yourself too. I guess a "special destiny" is the same meaning. :)

Steeler

02-12-2009, 07:36 PM

That's some great research about Saturn in the 5th tsquare!

I have 4 planets in the 5th. Moon, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
I also have Vertex placed there which conjuncts all 3 planets except Neptune.
My mother also has 4 planets there, which all are the same except that she has Mars there instead of Neptune!

So because I have my mother as a great example of how these 3 planets work when you have children,
I'll give a short explanation of what you might be up against with. :D

Saturn in the 5th can show "troubled" children. Not troubled in the sense of being druggies, but rather having an odd sense of purpose that is not understood by others around them or even accepted. Mentally older than their peers, this will probably bring them lots of unhappiness in their youth unless they have a strong sense of self-esteem. The most important thing for a parent with Saturn in the 5th is to first have a good self-esteem themselves, so that they can teach the child to appreciate themselves. (In my case this didn't work with me, even though it worked with my other siblings. I think the reason for this is that I have Saturn in the 5th aswell, and people like us usually have to learn to appreciate themselves alone. Meaning; without the help of others.)

The rumour of Neptune in the 5th person producing little Einsteins is a tad lol-tastic, but it's also true, in it's own Neptunian way. You might not pop out the reincarnation of Einstein, but a child with strong intuition. There is something very true though in producing children who clearly have some talent that is very clear to everyone around them. It might not be a big brain in all cases, but a personality trait that the child will "profit" from, a special talent and so on. The list goes on. But these kids and people have something special that then will, maybe, be found in the birth-chart of the child. (My older brother is a master manipulator. He should have become a politician. He can get ANYBODY on his side and this has helped him a lot on the way up. My other brother has 4 different professions/careers and can paint really well, even though he lacks imagination.)

Uranus is an interesting one. I always thought a native with it in the 5th might produce crazy/weird children,
until I found out my mum had it too in her chart and I quickly changed my mind. Im very sane, thank you very much.
Or wait! If I say Im sane, then Im not!

IM OUT OF MY BONKERS! There. I said it! :D

But will you produce weird kids? Well that depends when the kid is born. ;)
'Original' kids probably, but for this I believe the chart needs much more for the originality to really be originality. Everyone is different, in the end the same, but you know there is always someone who stands out without doing much and that kid might just be the kid you popped out!

And what does a Moon in the 5th mommy produce? I...have no idea!
I haven't figured this one out. What I do know is that peeps with Moon in the 5th will at some point want kids or have a special bond with them.

So these are just examples of HOW the kids might turn out if you have any.
I probably will adopt when the time is right. Uranus in the 5th!

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The 5th house is not just about kids, like we know, but also artistic talents/having fun and so on. It is 80% probable that anybody with a STRONG (top 3) planet in the 5th, stellium etc will probably have a talent of somekind that has to do with the arts.

My mum was a great painter, but after giving birth to me and my brothers, she didn't have time for it anymore. (Moon in the 5th with Neptune might be the cause of this, not just the Moon.)

Im musically inclined and I can say that having Saturn in the 5th is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it teaches you endurance/patience. It makes you practise your gift and never get tired of it. Leonard Cohen being a great example of this. He takes years to write ONE song! That's Saturn. The curse? Fear of failure. This is a strong emotion probably felt by all who have Saturn in the 5th. And this gets worse the stronger your Saturn is. Mine is the second strongest.

Tsquare mentioned sun in the 5th and one thing from my research that I've found is that for some reason all artists I've checked have a seriously strong Sun. Usually in the top 5.