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KatyaVelikaya

01-06-2010, 05:41 AM

Hello,
I may be approaching this backwards, but I'm new here with a question about progressed moon.

It is my understanding from what I've read that while a progressed moon in Leo can signify love, progressed moon in Cancer or Leo can also mean pregnancy. I'm 35, never married, no children, and wondering if I will ever have them. I had a "professional" reading done once and the woman told me I would be married with 1 daughter by age 34. I"ve looked at my chart for marriage predictions and I can see how she got that number, but it certainly did not pan out in reality. (My Venus at 25 Cap and Sun at 22 Aqu...25+8=33)

However, I'm less concerned about marriage, given my life's path, than I am about the possibility or more precisely, the *likelihood* of having children of my own someday.

From what I can tell in my chart, I will not. But I"m interested in other interpretations/input.

I may have misread the progression but I pulled a chart with a progression using today's date and the moon is in Aquarius. My birthday is next month. If I do a progressed chart for February 2014 the moon has only moved up in Aries (I realize it moves slowly, something like 29 months per house?) at that rate, my childbearing years will be over before it ever reaches my 5th house.

About marriage: I'd read Carol Rushman's formulas and none seem to work out in my case.

Anyway I would be interested in hearing interpretations of my chart for children (and marriage) or any other aspects I could consider looking at for such predictions.

Thank you in advance for any help you might be able to give.

Katya

Lin

01-06-2010, 09:45 PM

astrologer50

01-06-2010, 10:37 PM

Unfortunately, no one can see your attachements at present

No one can view attachments at the moment, although admin are trying to resolve matters -- so in the meantime try this ----

Everyone I think I've found a temporary solution to attachments. If you upload via your control panel and save to your album and then copy and paste the link into your thread --- this seems to work. Only slight problem you may have to trim the size down to fit ie: 600 x 600 in some kind of software or accessories/paint first.

Another idea (from eedwards) was to have two internet explorer windows open (but not full view obviously) and simply drag and drop chart from one window to another. Just remember to either (anonymize if posting a friends chart) and reduce to 63% in Extended chart selection

A member advised me of this ---
“I cast the chart on astro.com right, and saved it to the computer. Then I have an account on photobucket (which is Free) and uploaded it there. After it is saved there you can assess url, links to the pic. One is an "img" kind of link, you just copy and paste in the post, and after you have posted, it shows up as a chart there”

personally I don't think there is a 'set signature' for when a women will have a child. First and foremost we need to see the chart, pref with progressions and transits from astro...

Attention new members
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19968 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19968)
Starting out with basics—from our Education forum
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May I suggest you read the 'welcome to the world of astrology’ and other –‘sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc. At the top of every forum there are lots of ‘stickys’ which explain matters in that forum, along with guidelines & tips

It's also worth mentioning that we have a good search feature here on AW bit like google for further research.

You don't even mention whether you are in a relationship at the moment or having difficulties conceiving?

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars espec are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html (http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67)
The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

astrologer50

01-06-2010, 10:39 PM

KatyaVelikaya

01-07-2010, 12:25 AM

Thank you both, astro50 and Lin. I really appreciate your time.

I have searched this site for info about marriage/childbirth/pregnancy in recent weeks, and I do already have natal charts. If only you could see them! I will try to resolve that issue first.

I did go to Control Panel but do not see an "album" area. I find all my attachments there. Not sure what is not working. I dont know that drag/drop will work as I'm on a PC not a mac.

A bit more about the other comments:

I am neither trying to conceive per se, at present, nor am I in a relationship. There is someone on the horizon but it's not "there" yet -- just intrigue and magnetism so far. I realize that there is much more to having children than just astrology but my chart (and life) are so difficult, i thought looking at this more closely could give me some insights as to what is really going on. ie Whether I'm hoping pointlessly, whether it might be around the corner, and so on. I"m one of those people for whom accomplishments come easy (trilingual, 2 degrees, blah blah), to but I cannot find a date or have a boyfriend or get married.. it's like everything is backwards for me. But sorry - that is all tangential.

I will fiddle around to see if i can get a chart on here somehow. Even if it means pasting in an image...

KatyaVelikaya

01-07-2010, 12:36 AM

Found the albums in control panel! I uploaded once more. Let's see if this worked:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=197&pictureid=748

It worked, but even at the 200% zoom inflation gets sort of blurry. I think most of it is somewhat legible.

astrologer50

01-07-2010, 08:40 AM

Well done Katya -- we can see your chart now thanks..

Progressed Moon going over your sun and jupiter in 8th house of 'sex and conception' may well produce a child. I have jupiter in 8th house in Virgo it's detriment and I have been extremely highly fertile in my time:biggrin:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h8.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse8.htm

T neptune is conj your jupiter now and this makes for spiritual, religious matters and faith (neptune) and expansion research analysing (jupiter) into 8th house matters --- sex and conception and all things hidden

*Restlessness, expansiveness, travel, imagination, and philosophy are key issues now. This is the time to spread your wings and explore imaginative new possibilities.
+You could find yourself pursuing more spiritual directions or finding someone who can guide you to realizing your inner dreams and ideals. Your path is toward cooperation and union with others, even at the expense of the practical and selfish
http://cafeastrology.com/neptunetransits.html

Middle March T Uranus will conj your MC IF your time is birth is correct and this can cause sudden disruptions,upheavals connected to your work. I know it's not connected to your question, but it's a rather important transit which I feel you need to keep an eye on.

*Freedom and independence are critically important to you at this time. If your job is tedious, boring, and unexciting, there is a strong possibility that you will quit your job now. Because the need for freedom and excitement is very strong, you are more willing to be innovative and daring.
+A powerful time of change, during which you may have great insight into your career. You could change jobs or suddenly find a way to transform and improve your current job. A certain amount of mental tension can be expected, so bear with it.
http://cafeastrology.com/uranustransits.html

You have calculated your chart using the default on astro.com of placidus and I use Equal House system and am a modern astrologer. Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com/) and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)#Description (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)#Description)
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp (http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp)
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm (http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm)

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

Now in Equal scorpio/Pluto rules 5th and is placed in 3rd house where it is suggested maybe you received harsh words in childhood. Pluto is square to saturn in 12th and saturn is challenged to venus in 7th also ruled by Capricorn. Having the ruler of 7th in 12th is very hard to explain, its bit like having Neptune in 7th. The vague, formless 12th house has to give direction to a relationship which can cause confusion no doubt.

The result of this combi usually is unrealistic, very idealistic views of how a relationship should function and we know how unrealistic that is.
Also the self sacrificing side of the 12th house creeps in of course and often you see the person with this placement marry someone out of pity or even marry a disabled person or because they know subconsciously that their partner needs them, so the relation to the partner can be like a nurse instead of a real partner on the same level.

Even if this is not the case, then the person with this placement still needs occasional retreat from the relationship which will be very beneficial to the relationship. Danger again is, that the partner might not understand this, confusing this attitude for "she/he is not really in love with me". So all in all it is difficult to give form to a relationship, avoiding to fall in the over romanticized view of a relationship.

Very positive sides are the fact that the relationship is incredibly deep and there is often strong telepathy between the two people involved. The person often does not know where this strong bond comes from. I guess the 12th house, being the house of karma, maybe suggests that the bond is from a former life. It is an ideal placement for people who want to live a relationship whereby inner life and strong spiritual level is the most important thing.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html)
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm (http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm)

What most books don’t tell you is that the Seventh House rules the First marriage. If there is another marriage, it is shown by the Ninth House. How about a third marriage? A description of your third marriage (if any) is found in your Eleventh House. You see how this works?

Start with the 7th House as the 1st marriage and go counterclockwise around the wheel, skipping every other house, to see all other marriages. To find out more about your first marriage partner, turn your horoscope wheel upside down so that the Seventh House is on the left side, where the First house is normally located. Then, Re-number the houses. House number 7 becomes house 1, the 8th house becomes house 2, and so on. Now read that chart as if it were the horoscope of your marriage partner.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/AngularHouses.htm)

Lastly, the venus in 7th quincunxed saturn in12th and square uranus. This square to uranus is classic 'divorce aspect' and quincunx (Ihave this one) suggests that on occasion men, authority figures and father sometimes don't really understand (quincunx) what brings you pleasure (venus)

Hope this helps :biggrin:

Shining Ray

01-07-2010, 09:32 AM

Here are some links you may find useful --- if not just ignore---

Predicting marriage and/or having children can be done, but it is not easy, time consuming and intricate. There are lots of things to take into consideration like, secondary progressions, what interaspects one chart makes to another, Solar arcs, Solar returns, Transits etc
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255)

Go to Astro.com, Astro.com, Extended Chart Selection, Special Charts, Lunar Phases Fertility Calendar. Fertile days will be marked in red. I hope this helps.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15096 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15096)
Pregnancy & transits thread..
The asteroid "child" 4580
On the Extended Chart Selection page, go right to the bottom and below were you select the Additional Objects (black heading) there is a box that you need to type "4580" (next to the box it reads "additional asteroids").

http://www.universalastrologer.com/asteroid.html (http://www.universalastrologer.com/asteroid.html)
This website list suggests: EROS: [full no. 57] eroticism; reproductive organs; sexuality; the heart & cardiac system; the history, the Will to Live; what “turns you on;” Number on astro =433

member called Miss Saturn has a book/theory on how many marriages and children you might have on this thread…
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013)
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ (http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ)

The member called Miss Saturn was my old forum name when I first started on the forum years ago. I have removed a number of old posts - up to 1000!, to clear out past stuff. All under the new name to be honest.The theory does not belong to me or Carol Rushman. It was a technique learned from older astrologers. I think it received so much attention because people are so concerned about finding a partner. I wouldn't place too much weight on the theory. It seems to have worked so far for the women in my family. It's not guaranteed and even the author states it does not work all the time. I hate it when people take it seriously and get down about lack of marriages. The thread was more a bit of fun, but I realized people were very sensitive to the issue. I would rather people use the thread as a bit of fun and not take it seriously because it does not work for everyone. I was still new and testing theories back then and some posts never go away :biggrin:.

KatyaVelikaya

01-07-2010, 12:45 PM

Lots to digest here. Thank you again Astrologer50 and Shining Ray.

ShiningRay - I do always try to take everything in astrology with a pound of salt, just in case. But for the sake of experience, I did check out my sister against one of the calculations, and in terms of having a child (I believe it was Merc or Saturn in her 5th) well it has come true :-).

Astrologer50 - I see lots of references to sex (which would be a welcome end to a very long drought) and wonder about the length of this influence re Jupiter/8th. Am not (was not?!) planning to have a child tomorrow or even this year but maybe in a year or two? Basically wondering if its on the horizon since i know that sex doesn't mean conception or children *per se.*

I want to go through all of these links in detail too. A brief response is that everything you listed or hinted at is spot on in my life. Harsh words in childhood -- yes; tendency to date authority figures or older men -- yes. Current man needing me to give him structure in his life -- yes.

One thing that jumped out at me (as you noted, not concerning childbirth) was this:

"Middle March T Uranus will conj your MC IF your time is birth is correct and this can cause sudden disruptions,upheavals connected to your work. I know it's not connected to your question, but it's a rather important transit which I feel you need to keep an eye on."

My birth time is very accurate. I'm a(n aspiring) writer, with a book at a publisher's and supposed to hear back by Feb. 20th. However on March 23 I am flying to another country in another hemisphere to spend 5 months there, related to this book and to another book idea. I'm now concerned if this might mean something bad happening in relation to these plans. The first book, the Feb date means if the reviews are finished and all goes well it will go to the board for contract consideration at that time. If not it gets pushed til May. So I feel somewhat relieved that there are no March deadlines per on the publisher's end. But now i wonder what this could entail. I will be quitting my current job when i leave the country but that's already planned...i dont know if that's what the Uranus/MC indicates.

The past few years have been hugely lifechanging for me in terms of my work and my self expression. Five years ago I quit my job, sold my car, had nothing to hang on to, the whole 9 yards, and moved to a foreign country and foreign (very non-American, non English speaking) culture, where I knew no one, restarting my life. I returned to my home country (USA) last August but am very caught btwn cultures. (This is the speed demon condensed version of course). Recently a series of events have made me realize I have to put *effort* into finding a mate, just as much effort as I put into trying to create a real career for myself, bc it wont happen otherwise... It just seems that whereas I can move hemispheres and publish a book, the "formula" for finding a partner is not as easy. Not that any of the rest of it was. I just look at other members of my family, things like this literally fall into their lap. For me it is uphill in sleet both ways all the time. There must be an explanation.

I have not yet tried the flip chart/count backwards in terms of marriages. But I was told that my first very long relationship (7yrs) could have counted as a marriage in terms of how the stars saw it (tho we were never married). So Maybe right now I should be looking for whatever the second marriage indicator in the 11th would be.

astrologer50

01-07-2010, 03:09 PM

Astrologer50 - I see lots of references to sex (which would be a welcome end to a very long drought) and wonder about the length of this influence re Jupiter/8th. Am not (was not?!) planning to have a child tomorrow or even this year but maybe in a year or two? Basically wondering if its on the horizon since i know that sex doesn't mean conception or children *per se.*
the 8th house is sex AND conception :biggrin: Neptune ruler of your MC placed in 5th poss conj 6th house cusp. suggests creativity and this neptune is square mercury placed in 9th house. It's like joining the dots and following the house cusp rulers. Now your mercury only has this one major aspect and acts bit like singleton and Neptune is singletong ie; only planet in fire signs......

Singleton planets
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html)
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm (http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm)

Talking of Neptune - whatever house it's in is 'where we have our greatest regrets' and make the most sacrificies in life --- willingly without question. If you question and say 'hey look at what i've done' then to me that's martyrdom, not sacrifice. Also there is a definate 'rose tinted glasses' going on with neptune as well as illusions and dellusions.

Your creative self-expression has a very imaginative quality, and you have a particular affinity for drama, theater, film, and other artistic mediums in which creative fantasy plays a major role. In love and romance, also, you often have glamorous fantasies that have little to do with reality.
http://cafeastrology.com/articles/neptuneinhouses.html

Your moon conj uranus although involved in a grand trine does suggest a break with mother and poss fragmented relatoinships with women and again on my list of divorce aspects.

Now going back to 5th scorpio/pluto. Wherever Pluto is is where we want 'to be in control of things' where we want to poss dominate, feel deeply about, tend to analyse matters. I don't believe there any 'set signature' for if a women will have children or adopt to not have children. your natal chart is all about 'potential' but not everyone fulfills that potential in life unfortunately.

My best educated guess is prog moon only comes around your 8th house of sex and conception every 28years, if you don't conceive shortly under this favourable progression -- you may be waiting an awful long time :wink:

However on March 23 I am flying to another country in another hemisphere to spend 5 months there, related to this book and to another book idea. I'm now concerned if this might mean something bad happening in relation to these plans. The first book, the Feb date means if the reviews are finished and all goes well it will go to the board for contract consideration at that time. If not it gets pushed til May. So I feel somewhat relieved that there are no March deadlines per on the publisher's end. But now i wonder what this could entail. I will be quitting my current job when i leave the country but that's already planned...i dont know if that's what the Uranus/MC indicates.

Now back to transits, here is a link for an ephemeris I use and as you will see in November this year T Uranus will retrograde (ie; go backwards) over your MC and prob 2011 make one last direct hit. Transits work with 1' approaching, 1' exact and 1' departing influence and it's usually the middle retrograde hit for timing of events that's most important.
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/nov2010gmt.shtml

To give you an idea of how important the Angles are in a chart --

T Saturn hit my MC when my first husband after divorce decided to disappear and avoid paying maintenance. This put me on the benefit system for 12months until I tracked him down. I ended in Court 4x to get an attachment on his earnings..... not a nice time

When T Pluto hit my MC my father died, same time T Pluto conj my mothers sun..
When T Uranus hit my MC my first marriage started breaking down, same time T Pluto opp Moon. On the Retrograde hit of Uranus I filed for divorce, first hit spoke to solicitor, but reconciled til next hit...
When T Neptune conj my MC age 16 left home, broke (dissolved) relationship with parents

KatyaVelikaya

01-07-2010, 06:00 PM

astrologer50

01-07-2010, 06:29 PM

Well the mid-March T Uranus certainly has me baffled. I'm most worried it might be the D word (and I dont mean divorce). I'm not married OR in a relationship yet, so i can't really lose what i dont have (ha - to look in the brighter side of things!) I hope its not a lost loved one from this life. I really do. Dont know what else this could be though.

Neptune - I understand that about deception and rose-colored glasses. House of regret. Could it not be, maybe, that I WANT to have children and never will? That sure would be regret. I would blame myself for sure -- that I didnt "do more" about it, somehow.

>> If you question and say 'hey look at what i've done' then to me that's martyrdom, not sacrifice.

Was not quite sure how this pertained, per se. But interesting point.

I'm so sorry if in any way you read that someone might die. The angles, MC/IC & Asc/Desc with transits over these - something external usually happens. Whereas transits to planets inside the chart most often are internal shifts and changes. MC is work, career and what you are known for -- and in your case I suspect it has to do with your work

KatyaVelikaya

01-07-2010, 06:41 PM

I'm so sorry if in any way you read that someone might die. The angles, MC/IC & Asc/Desc with transits over these - something external usually happens. Whereas transits to planets inside the chart most often are internal shifts and changes. MC is work, career and what you are known for -- and in your case I suspect it has to do with your work

ohhhhh. Ok! *phew*, am relieved!

That makes complete sense, something related to work. Hm. This certainly is proving to be a year of (prospective) change! But that's a good thing in this case.

Claire19

01-15-2010, 11:45 PM

Your progressed Moon is not making any aspects that are echoed in the natal chart and that is the key. We must have same connections with our birth charts with transits and progressions. This is the basis of prediction.
I can see possibility of perhaps being responsible for the child of a partner, say a stepchild. Saturn rules your 7th and is well aspected denoting an older or more mature partner or later on in life. It will be based on reality and will have enduring quality because of loyalty. That Saturn is in the 12th there may be a connection to rehabilitation, church, hospitals or places or institutions that are retreats or hidden in some way. THere could also be a marriage done in secret and private or a formalised ceremony in a church setting or with very religious ritual.

Claire19

01-15-2010, 11:55 PM

Having a child doesn't depend upon your progressed moon. It needs a combination of first, potential for children in your natal chart, desire to be a mother someplace, conscious or unconsciously, postiver transits, fruitful transits to planets in or ruling the 5 and/or 8th houses. There are more, but you get the picture.
LIN
Yes transits to the 5th house denote children of your own and if connected to the 11th then they can be those that are in underprivileged circumstances such as third world and adopted or fostered. Stepchildren belong there too. The state of your Moon, the 5th house ruler all play a part. That you have your Moon close to the 5th cusp connected with Jupiter there is another indication of involvement with those of other cultures. Your Pluto is not well aspected as ruler of your 5th I have to say. I dont know who Carol Rushman is but obviously her systems are not valid. Uranus is conjuncting your Moon right now and you have a natal connection so there will be disrupted domestic circumstances or with family I would suggest. There is an element of surprise or shock and this can mean an unexpected pregnancy if circumstances permit. With the natal trine this will work out for the best. Do you live in a country foreign to that of your birth???

Claire19

01-15-2010, 11:57 PM

ohhhhh. Ok! *phew*, am relieved!

That makes complete sense, something related to work. Hm. This certainly is proving to be a year of (prospective) change! But that's a good thing in this case.
Death belongs to Pluto Mars and sometimes Neptune and at times with accidents Uranus. The 8th, 12th and sometimes the 1st houses are usually involved.,

astrologer50

01-16-2010, 09:41 AM

KatyaVelikaya

01-16-2010, 01:47 PM

Hi Claire,

Thank you so much for these inputs. I have been buried in work (again) and still need to finish reading about all the progressions in the links provided earlier. This issue continues to weigh on my mind greatly however, so your posts are very welcome and appreciated.

Your progressed Moon is not making any aspects that are echoed in the natal chart and that is the key. We must have same connections with our birth charts with transits and progressions. This is the basis of prediction..

HOw does this contrast with what you wrote below, in terms of timelines I wonder?

I can see possibility of perhaps being responsible for the child of a partner, say a stepchild. Saturn rules your 7th and is well aspected denoting an older or more mature partner or later on in life. It will be based on reality and will have enduring quality because of loyalty. That Saturn is in the 12th there may be a connection to rehabilitation, church, hospitals or places or institutions that are retreats or hidden in some way. THere could also be a marriage done in secret and private or a formalised ceremony in a church setting or with very religious ritual..

I have, sadly, no partner at present time, and don't know any men with children... I suppose adoption is possible but it doesn't quite appeal to me, I would want my child, ideally to have my own blood and genes. The men in my life have always been older than me. It's almost discouraging but they are more attracted to me than men my own age for some reason. My current "suitor" is much older than me now and so this fits.

Your Pluto is not well aspected as ruler of your 5th I have to say. I dont know who Carol Rushman is but obviously her systems are not valid. Uranus is conjuncting your Moon right now and you have a natal connection so there will be disrupted domestic circumstances or with family I would suggest. There is an element of surprise or shock and this can mean an unexpected pregnancy if circumstances permit. With the natal trine this will work out for the best. Do you live in a country foreign to that of your birth???

My travels -- I spent 5 years (until Aug 2009) in a country in another hemisphere. I will be returning to this foreign country from March 23 to Aug. 25this year, for a book project, but at present, until late March, am in the country of my birth. In my mind's eye, it is my "retreat" so perhaps that's Saturn in the 12th. It is awkward bc I feel very much torn between life in that country, where I fell more "myself" and being lazy around people i know in a culture i grew up with, in my home city. My home city, also, is not a place I can fulfill my life path and profession as I can in this other country, if that makes sense. I am a writer and translator of a specific niche area of information that doesn't yet exist in English. So unless I"m in that country finding the source materials, anything else is "passing the time" type of work. But i digress...

>>There is an element of surprise or shock and this can mean an unexpected pregnancy if circumstances permit.

For what sort of time frame do you see this? Before March 23? Or generally this year?

Family upset is an ongoing issue with my mother (moon in libra). It's a ball and chain that even thousands of miles can't completely sever. I have learned how to handle her better but it would be nice to not have that additional stress. Oh well everyone has their nemesis, right?

astrologer50

01-16-2010, 02:44 PM

I think what claire19 was referring to was 'progressed uranus' rather than transiting uranus..It could be nearing natal moon, in which case it's bit like a kettle starting to boil -- building up slowly-- as in approaching natal moon. This could suggest a relationship/friendship/mother break down which could last a while, (cos is a progression)

Now with transits, we say 1' approaching, 1' exact and 1' departing influences. T Uranus is in late pisces nearing your MC, but your moon is natally quincunx MC which suggests a fair amount of 'unease' with relocating, home matters and how or what you would like to be known for career wise.

The outer planets from saturn --- to pluto move so so slowly we don't usually take much notice. It's only the fact that you natal moon is so close that if it does conj, it would be significant then...

Hope this helps

KatyaVelikaya

01-16-2010, 03:16 PM

THanks astrologer50, that does help.

KatyaVelikaya

03-10-2010, 12:21 AM

I was just revisiting this thread and have another question for Claire19.

Your progressed Moon is not making any aspects that are echoed in the natal chart and that is the key. We must have same connections with our birth charts with transits and progressions. This is the basis of prediction.
I can see possibility of perhaps being responsible for the child of a partner, say a stepchild. Saturn rules your 7th and is well aspected denoting an older or more mature partner or later on in life. It will be based on reality and will have enduring quality because of loyalty. That Saturn is in the 12th there may be a connection to rehabilitation, church, hospitals or places or institutions that are retreats or hidden in some way. THere could also be a marriage done in secret and private or a formalised ceremony in a church setting or with very religious ritual.

At the time of my initial post 2 months ago, I was beginning a relationship with an older man. We are now *in* a relationship that has not been consummated due to some of his current health issues.

It feels to me as if this person could be the one mentioned above (Saturn in 7th). In reviewing this entire thread (including the links about marriage predictions early on in the posts), would i be correct to surmise that sex and conception at present is not in the cards?

By that I mean: no progressed moon in relationship to anything in the natal chart. And the 5th house doesnt indicate children either. Correct?

["Moon close to the 5th cusp connected with Jupiter" there is another indication of involvement with those of other cultures. Your Pluto is not well aspected as ruler of your 5th I have to say."]

Gemini Rose

07-09-2011, 10:51 PM

So KatyaVelikaya (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/member.php?u=12079), if you visit this thread again--what happened? Did you have a baby with this man?

KatyaVelikaya

07-14-2011, 01:47 AM

Hi Gemini Rose,
Nope - no children, no engagements, no marriages yet. I just reread most of the thread and wanted to give an update on parts of the transits that seem to still be "fitting".
That disruption (the "D" I was worried about) was in fact a breakup. When I left this country for the 5-month trip, the man I had been seeing turned cold towards me. I cut the trip short -- cut it in half in fact, to fly back and save the relationship, which he promptly informed me had never existed in the first place. Even though, I know what a relationship is, and yes we did have one, even if it was short-lived!

I was not in a good emotional place all of last fall and this spring and thought about leaving this life more than once. Having cut that trip short, I had to return to that country THIS spring to complete the work on the book. I just returned last week from 3 mos there. While there I met a man. He is foreign, from that culture, born and raised. He fell in love with me, as he describes it "hard and fast". I saw him only for 6 weeks before I had to leave that country. He has serious intentions about me (!!) we skype twice per day. I have no idea wehre this is leading. He is older than me by 8 years and divorced, with two sons, the older of which is only 17 yrs younger than me :-) He wants to introduce me to that son by skype, said he (the son) had seriously worried about him when he (the father) divorced last fall. Its all very whirlwind to me, I keep wondering how can he fall in love with me so fast when he doesnt know me. Apparently (for what it is worth) this January he went to a psychic/numerology reader and she asked if he had relatives abroad. He said no, bc he has never been out of his country of birth. She said that she sees him having a long, stable marriage with someone foreign, someone from abroad, possibly living abroad. he brushed it off and ignored it at the time, bc it seemed impossible. (Or he thought "abroad" might mean a neighboring country -- I'm actually from the other side of the planet!)

He does want another child (specifically a daughter). As far as I know I am not pregnant but I'm now intensely curious about the prospects for 2012 in terms of pregnancy with this man. I have a sense/feeling that it would not take much more than an agreement on my part for things to move forward full speed ahead. But for now I'm in my home country and he is there... and i'm wondering many things about this (logistics, finance, language etc). I seem to be approaching it practically (no Neptune here!) and he seems all starry eyed and gaga :-).:love:

So that's the latest. I dont know if it quantifies as "news" on this thread per se... I still hope I can prove my chart wrong and have a child soon. I'm now 37.

astrologer50

07-14-2011, 01:41 PM

I was just revisiting this thread and have another question for Claire19.

At the time of my initial post 2 months ago, I was beginning a relationship with an older man. We are now *in* a relationship that has not been consummated due to some of his current health issues.

It feels to me as if this person could be the one mentioned above (Saturn in 7th). In reviewing this entire thread (including the links about marriage predictions early on in the posts), would i be correct to surmise that sex and conception at present is not in the cards?

By that I mean: no progressed moon in relationship to anything in the natal chart. And the 5th house doesnt indicate children either. Correct?

["Moon close to the 5th cusp connected with Jupiter" there is another indication of involvement with those of other cultures. Your Pluto is not well aspected as ruler of your 5th I have to say."]

Claire's comments about

Your progressed Moon is not making any aspects that are echoed in the natal chart and that is the key. We must have same connections with our birth charts with transits and progressions. This is the basis of prediction.

is not a common idea here on AW. If you want to see/read what the rest of us think --
Transits, claire19 – ‘natal promise’
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=209465#post209465 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=209465#post209465)

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209309&postcount=21 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209309&postcount=21)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209381&postcount=22 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209381&postcount=22)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209465&postcount=23 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209465&postcount=23)
http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Promise-Fulfilled---When-Transits-Echo-Natal-Aspects&id=744735 (http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Promise-Fulfilled---When-Transits-Echo-Natal-Aspects&id=744735)

Gemini Rose

07-15-2011, 12:47 AM

KatyaVelikaya

Well first off, I'm not sure what you mean by you thought about leaving this life but I hope it's not what I think it means. Your life is meant to be lived and it is more than worth living! So don't forget that. But so what of this foreigner (not to reduce him to a superficial title), but are you in love with him? I'm not surprised that he is older because you have Saturn on 7H cusp.

But you know, I cast a new chart for you with transits and progressions and I think it looks very good for love (which is first step before children many times lol). Advanced astrologers can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that progressed Venus conj your natal Sun (which is classic sign of love coming into your life). Then you have various planets at what I call critical degrees. Not classic critical degrees, but when I have studied my chart for similar (astrological) themes that exist at major meetings/turning points in my life, I find that almost always, some planets are at 29, 0 , or 1 degrees.

So right now you have progressed Sun at 0' Mars (Natal Mars is in 11H which might be connected to this man's children?), progressed moon at 1' Pisces (Natal Neptune is in your 5H of children so to me that would seem promising, no?), then you have transiting Neptune at 0' Pisces (again in the sign that is found natally in your 5H), It's my understanding, and I've seen this happen in my life, that when a planet is at that transitioning point of changing signs, major life adjustments/meetings/changes occur. I noticed, for me especially, when progressed or transiting planets cross over into Scorpio (sign of my moon)--stuff happens lol! Plus, progressed Asc in Leo so as you said could signify a year for love but maybe children, too--or the beginning of maybe having children (Leo being natural ruler of the 5th over love, children, and fertility).

Also, I don't see why you are not promised children. To me, I've always learned that water signs tend to be most fertile. You have Cancer Asc (arguably the most fertile sign of all) and Scorpio on cusp of 5th. Now, with Scorpio--I feel kind of like a Scorpio expert because when your moon is there, you know Scorpio. And my experience with Scorpio (Natal Pluto is in my 5H too) is that it's all or nothing. Nothing is in between. Pluto has to teach you the depths of things. It has to bring you to exhilirating highs and unbearable lows. But one thing it will give you is a comprehensive experience lol. It will not give you all lows and no highs and vice versa. Therefore Scorpio being potentially fertile, why couldn't it have a turnaround in your 5th and provide you with a child or two at some point.

I hope this isn't too much for people. I guess I just feel your pain because although I am not quite your age, I am now 34 (well, in 2 mos) with no children and no partner. Broke up with my last boyfriend 6 years ago--7 this Nov 2011! This could have something to do with Pluto in 5th which tends to bring long hiatus to love following intense love affairs. Anyways, I know-- who am I to be positive about your prospects when my prospects haven't worked yet. But I have always been told (and I feel) that I am promised some kids! So I wish the same for you because I know how painful it is--especially when all your family younger and older--are poppin' em out one after the other. I know. But I wonder, if someone can get through this message besides me and KatyaVelikaya, can they tell us if I am accurate in some of my positive predictions?

Gemini Rose

07-15-2011, 01:12 AM

Also, transiting Saturn conjunct natal Pluto (ruler of your 5th). This could be what has given you a drought in regards to love/children?

Wish I could figure out how to post charts again. There are some similarities between our charts. I have that 3 planet stellium in my 4th too (but it's venus, saturn and mercury) and my moon is conj uranus as well but in the 6th both in Scorpio and you have Pluto in the house with your moon/uranus. Also my SR Asc is Leo this year. Have you cast your SR chart?

**I figured it out.

astrologer50

07-15-2011, 09:15 AM

gemini, you do realise this thread is over 12months old?

progressed planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=266189&postcount=8 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=266189&postcount=8)

progressed planets/charts are more 'internal' changes, evolvements rather than 'events or external' matters. I don't read prog charts as stand alones it's more important to see where these planets are moving in the natal chart

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars especially are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

What's the difference between Transits and Progressions?
“Transits are the planets currently orbiting in the sky and the relationships they form to each other and additionally, to your chart. Transits happen for everyone. They're important and effect you personally when they contact a planet or point in your chart. Transits represent outside energy, things happening outside yourself. They describe external events and your responses to them. Progressions, however, move very slowly and are a natural progression of your original birth chart. The events and emotions they describe are part of you, deeply ingrained in your psyche, internal, and psychological. And as they form aspects, these inner feelings start to become more important and central to your life”
http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/progressed.html (http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/progressed.html)

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html (http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67)
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php (http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html)
http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm (http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm)

The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

Also I would take this opportunity to mention there is a ‘plethora’ of information in every forum top, called 'stickys' which cover, explain in great depth what each forum is all about, plus we have an Education forum for further research..

JUPITERASC

07-15-2011, 12:58 PM

JUPITERASC

07-15-2011, 02:00 PM

this is a link to some helpful information regarding progreesed moon aspects http://www.cafeastrology.com/progressedmoonaspects.html

I posted this specific link for you KatyaVelikaya because although links to cafeastrology have been posted, none of the links previously posted on this thread specifically directed you to this exact page, which is a rather useful link regarding progressed moon aspects (http://www.cafeastrology.com/progressedmoonaspects.html ) :smile:

Gemini Rose

07-16-2011, 02:38 PM

Astrologer 50:

So what if thread is over 12 months old. The querent is still alive! KatyaVelikaya (the questioner on this thread) just wrote back on 7/13/11. In fact, you yourself responded again on 7/14/11. So it does not appear that thread is inactive. In terms of interpreting progressed chart--I don't understand what you are saying--her progressed chart that I posted displays her natal planets too! If you or anyone else are able to predict/interpret some of the things happening in her skies at this time, I'm sure she would appreciate it--and I would appreciate the learning experience. Thanks