View Full Version : Should I argue against my traffic ticket?
12-14-2009, 06:45 PM
I recently received a whopping $400 speeding ticket.
I have never received a ticket in my whole life.
I was told I was doing 65 in a 25.
I want to argue the ticket, saying that:
1) According to the ticket, from where I was clocked to where I was stopped, I would not have been able to stop in time going 65mph, unless I came to screeching halt, which I did not.
2) The point at which I was clocked going that fast, was a 45 degree angled turn. If I had been going that fast I would have gone flying off the road because I may car cannot aerodynamically take that kind of force.
I drew up a chart and have never really interpreted horary, so I was hoping people could help.
My question: should I argue my ticket and will I be successful at reducing the fine?
There seems to be a few obvious points:
Taurus rising... I'm concerned about my stuff and income.
Sun and Moon in Sag: dealing with the law.
Moon in 7th: accepting the emotional component of my relationship to the officer and my relationship to the law.
Sun in 8th: recognizing this issue with the law as reflective of a larger pattern in my life.
Mercury in Sag in the 9th: My words will be paramount here, and I will have to demonstrate that I understand the law.
Any help? I'm just learning this... I'm inclined to look at things psychologically and philosophically so this is a difficult task for me.
12-14-2009, 08:13 PM
help please!! :rightful:
12-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Chart shows a yes,
You are 1st, Venus.
the cop is the 7th mars,
the judge is the 10th saturn.
the moon is applying sextile to saturn, Saturn is dignified, and hes also reciving the moon.
Mars is peregrine having no say in the matter.
the judge is also deposited by venus, and mars lies in the 7th house, and the 1st house via antiscia, causing him to be in dignity hence he is a cop, and in fall, because he wont win. also in taurus mars is still peregrine.
maybe he wont show up...
But i'd still make sure you have math formula equations or something showing the actual calculations rather then just your word.
12-15-2009, 01:16 AM
I really do hope your analysis is correct. Thanks again :)
Are they any indicators of a no? Any sort of struggle indicated?
12-15-2009, 02:42 AM
Peregrine is not a proper term for a planet in exile. I happen to prefer the term exile to detriment.
Traditionally, a planet in exile acts in the most inappropriate way it can, for being away from one's home causes an unfortunate reaction, thusly hindrances to boot.
Astrology is a subtle language, and there can be no feelings of remorse for all there is to learn!
neeer i wasn't talking about being in exile as in peregrine two seperate concepts due to antisica neeeeerrrrrr
Not really i don't see any kind of struggle
12-15-2009, 06:11 AM
You have a PM!
12-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Got the PM... thanks...
Any other thoughts out there?!
12-16-2009, 05:22 PM
Your significator is Venus, the prosecution is Mars, the judge is Saturn and your barrister is Mercury. In a court case the relative strength of the significators is important: The side with the stronger significator will win.
I will add points to determine this. Venus is in Egyptian terms +1; it is received and aspected by Jupiter +1; it is completely out of sect -1; it is under the sun beams -1; it is in the unfavorable 8th house -1. Total -1. There is no aspect or reception between Mercury and Venus. This is not good either as it indicates you may not have an attorney. You will need one if you are to win this.
Mars is peregrine -1, it is in the 4th house +1; it is received by both the Sun and Saturn +1. Total +1. The judge will lean in favor of the prosecution, and the prosecutor will crush you if you are not represented.
There are some favorable aspects which indicates that your side may negotiate with the prosecutor for a reduced fine and not go to trial, or if there is a trial, and you present a strong case the judge will find you guilty but reduce the fine. I wish I could give you a better delineation.
12-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Thanks for the reply!
If I may... I think the barrister in Mercury receiving no positive aspects is actually an indicator that I opted NOT have a representative. IMO, I think it is pointless, and would end up costing me more money anyway.
I'm not sure if your strong choice of the wording, particularly when it comes to being "crushed" as you said, is at all how I would feel if I would lose. This is 400 dollars and my dignity, not my kids and house.
Why is Saturn the Judge? Isn't the just an indicator of the limitations at stake? I thought Jupiter represented Law in action, whereas as Saturn represented social Limits and Structure.... Saturn is the broken law itself... which is true, I was speeding...
Why is Mars in the 4th house well-received? That makes no sense. Mars is not happy in Cancer... why would it be happy in the 4th? I think it means he's going to be pissed in private about something... PLUS both Saturn and Jupiter are not making positive aspects to Mars it at all.... they are at odds, and it seems the prosecution would feel limited and stressed by the system which has brought me to the defense as it were...
Plus Mars is positively aspecting Me... would we not be in some agreement? Does it not appear he would respect my appeal to a larger system of justice, fact and reason even if his view isn't accepted? Plus Venus is in the 7th house... yes conjunct Sun, but couldn't that simply mean I'm forced to present an image? That Venus is in house but can't act naturally? Obviously not as I'm under supervision as a defense... I think this bit is just telling apiece of the story
I think if anything this chart is saying, if I am willing to represent myself (Venus conjunct Sun), then the Law (Jupiter in 10th) will respect and support my position, and I will be in line with the image of a both a wronging but also significantly wronged defense.
If Saturn is the Judge, it looks like he is going to get PISSED if I bring in ANYONE to support me, and it also looks like I'm still going to get a stern talking to no matter WHAT I do.
In fact it looks like the Prosecution will only experience Justice if they accept my position as well... Mars trine Venus trine Jupiter... Mars opposite Jupiter
12-16-2009, 10:00 PM
i wouldn't say the judge would be pissed.. the judge is saturn because saturn rules your 10th house.
Also thats not how you use dignities, dignities are only numbered so you can compare the relitive strength vs other dignities. They aren't ment to be added together.
01-16-2010, 02:35 PM
I received a message from Niplan asking for an update.
As of right now, I've got nothing.
I decided to go ahead and fight the ticket. That meant mailing the ticket in, and including in my response my desire to challenge the assertion that I deserved a 400 dollar ticket.
Nothing has happened since, but I am preparing my defense.
I drew up another horary. It doesn't look great, with chart ruler Mars opposing the Moon. But I'm not at all good at horary.
The cop is represented by Mars, so am I the Moon? Help! :crying:
I am my own defense, I am not getting a lawyer, as it wouldn't be worth it.
Anyway, I'll keep y'all posted.
01-16-2010, 02:38 PM
My second horary!
01-16-2010, 10:22 PM
well, it could be seen as the ruler of your 2nd house is stationary, with mercury's light applying to the ascendent.. meaning your money won't go anywhere.
And mercury is also exactly conjunct the 10th house cusp. And saturn the judge's next aspect is a trine to you venus, with light of mercury..
the moon via antisica is also on your 2nd house cusp. and so is venus and the sun in your 2nd too..
its weaker then the first chart for some reason... but it still kinda shows a win. I'd check to make sure the chart shows where your moles/scars are it might not be radical. if it is -shrug-
01-24-2010, 03:19 PM
SO received my date for a hearing, February 5th, at 10AM.
I asked how it would go, and I posted my chart beneath...
Looks good? I am in trine (I am Venus) with Saturn the Judge, while I oppose Mars the Cop (makes sense).
any thoughts welcome...
02-05-2010, 05:03 PM
As promised, an update on my court case, which happened today!
The trooper associated with my case didn't show up- there was another one in his place who didn't know anything about my case, simply the notes provided.
There was no judge, but rather a magistrate.
I was first to go.
I was told information that had not been presented to me at the time of the ticket- I argued this point.
The trooper that was there was sympathetic to me. We smiled at each at one point, especially when I said he couldn't be a witness and laughed a little.
My dad spoke up when the magistrate tried to trip me up on a calculation I was using. My dad lied on my behalf (said he was part of the research team that came up with the calculation), and the magistrate believed him.
My fee was reduced by half, and I have a two month extension for when I have to pay it.
Thanks for everyone's help!
02-07-2010, 03:39 AM
I have never fought a ticket before, not that I get them (heheheheh)
I admire that you did it!!!!!!
So the cop didnt show up, why do they give the darn tickets and not show up? I guess because they think that people like me (who never get tickets) will pay and not argue.
Makes me sick, but nontheless, good job!
Well done, Mod......Right result because your cause was just; you brought it to the attention of the authorities in the right way and you argued your point rationally rather than emotionally...
...[Maybe that's the approach forum members need to use when raising issues with the Moderator Team.]
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