Pluton in Solar Return

[Sunny]

Hi to all!
This year I'll have Pluton in the ASC of my Sorlar Return. It comes over my 2nd and 3rd natal houses. What could this mean?
As the ASC signifies my own soul and being, will I become a poor woman:crying:, because I am in the energies of Pluton and so knock out my monney?
No, seriously, could it be that I am actively engaged in my own transformations and my own abilities which I acquired by my self-work?

Now, Pluton squares Saturn who opposites Uranus ....., a real gift from Pandora ..?

Every comment will be welcome!:happy:

Sunny

[moved to Solar Return forum - Moderator]

[gemini59]

Pluto on the ascendant typically a transformation of self.
There are many things in a solar chart that would tell you about what is going on.
First everyone this year for the most part will have this saturn, uranus, and pluto configuration in their solar return. It is of course more meaningful when it is in the angles and changes will happen on a more personal level. What is important to you is which natal house is rising in the chart, what aspects to personal planets are made and in what houses.
Hope this helps.

[Sunny]

Thank you very much, Gemini59!:happy:
Yes, that's right - in my case it is the 3rd house rising now, and it has a sextile to my natal ASC. So, there can be good events with difficult situations (the squares of Pluto / Saturn, and Pluto / Uranus), or difficult changements, transformations with benefic outcome?
The 3rd has multiple significations, so I have to open my eyes on nearly everything!:rightful:

Do you see others significations?

[starlink]

Hi Sunny, in which house does the SR Ascendant fall in your natal chart? In that house you will most likely have the transformational energies at work. And does this Pluto also aspect other planets? and where does your SR Sun fall in the SR chart? That will also be a focus point for the coming year.

[Sunny]

Starlink-Darling of the stars!:happy::happy: Nice to see you!!
The SR Ascendant falls in my natal 3rd, (neighbours, brothers and sisters, relatives - but also short travels and journeys, communications, meetings ..), and Pluto aspects by sextile Jupiter conjuncting Chiron and Neptune and the Sun, who is in the 11th (future, projects-creation and friends, wisdom..).

So, what is your opinion? Transformations what I am doing in my neighbourhood and friendship, or will this transformation come to me from them?

[astrologer50]

Starlink-Darling of the stars!:happy::happy: Nice to see you!!
The SR Ascendant falls in my natal 3rd, (neighbours, brothers and sisters, relatives - but also short travels and journeys, communications, meetings ..), and Pluto aspects by sextile Jupiter conjuncting Chiron and Neptune and the Sun, who is in the 11th (future, projects-creation and friends, wisdom..).

So, what is your opinion? Transformations what I am doing in my neighbourhood and friendship, or will this transformation come to me from them?
Not all things are external, plus we are all visual people, kindly post the charts. thanks

[gemini59]

Yes, yes, a visual of the chart is so very helpful.

[Sunny]

There is just a little problem to rezise the chart. You'll see it later.

[starlink]

Sunny, I am totally out of time at the moment. Could not attend the forum today and tomorrow morning will be busy as well. Maybe a bit in the afternoon. In the evening tomorrow also not home. So please bear with me.

Cheers, Starlink

[Sunny]

Yes, Starlink, I understand and can wait!:happy::happy:

[Sunny]

So it wasn't so quick as I wanted:wink:, but finally here is it.

[gemini59]

3rd house rising thus 3/9 focus.
Most prominent planets mercury and sun. Sun is focus and ego will be focused on career, status, reputation, and authority figures.Sun often is symbolic of male figure and in the10th someone of authority ie father , boss etc. Mercury there =change, communication, movement. This is a compliment to the 3/9 focus. We find also natal venus and mars which at the solar MC there energy having expression.
Looking at the 3rd and 9th houses we see Uranus in the 3rd indicating something unexpected will happen this year third house themes such as communication, short travels, siblings. We see that Aquarius is intercepted in your 4th house and thus uranus energy can be difficult to express. Natally we see it houses with saturn and moon in the 8th which gives me a picture of emotions subdued or serious with abrupt flashes of change. Now Uranus is in the 3rd house opposing saturn in the 9th. So a repeat theme with challenging energy. Saturn provides structure and responsibility but is subduing. In the 9th...9th can be education, clergy or legal affairs and also can be state of mind. We see saturn has joined your natal neptune ruler of your 5th and 6th. Thus there is some subduing of these natal energy.
If we look at what is prominent we see mercury transiting natal Venus and transiting Venus conjuncting natal mercury sort of a double message. Mercury rules your house of partnerships. Thus partnership=communication, movement, change..this theme repeated multiple times.
Now for Pluto in the solar 1st. Pluto is in your 3rd house in the natal chart. In the solar first tells us a transformation of self. Pluto rules your natal 2nd thus we see a tale of transformation of self and self-worth. It is in square to saturn in the 9th telling us a challenge from the subduing and restricting force from the 9th and we see too a broad square from uranus from the house of communcation. Unexpected communication creates this challenge to you to help you transform your self-esteem.
We see that this issue is repeaated with solar moon in the 2nd solar house showing your emotions are centered on fourth house issues of self-worth and finance.
There is a warning coming from the north node opposite your natal jupiter. The southnode is wear we are unconscious and it conjoins the natal jupiter. Jupiter rules your natal 3rd (again we this theme). The northnode is in your solar 1st. This may be a caution to watch for a too expansive state. this could imply a warning to watch expansion of what you say or what you buy or somesuch. Since it rules your third I think it is a caution about all 3rd house themes.
Well that is all I have time for but I am curious to know how the year goes so keep me posted.

[Sunny]

Oh! Cassandra! Such a lot!! Thank you so much for all the time you spent on it and for your kind insight!:happy::happy:

Yes, this Uranus in the 3rd gives me some troubled thinkings on it. Therefore I am on the way to calculate my progressed Solar Return for each month, because I want to expect when this surprising event could happen. Perhaps it will be only sudden changes in my neighbourhood. I'll tell you, when it is coming, yes? And this is the reason that I will not travel at that time even that there are three opportunities for me to do them.

So a repeat theme with challenging energy.
I don't like these repeated situations at all and hope that I learned from that in the pass.
[qutoe]
There is a warning coming from the north node opposite your natal jupiter. The southnode is wear we are unconscious and it conjoins the natal jupiter
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So I will be careful for this.
My natal Jupiter indicates me my dreams. And as I am interested to understand my dreams perhaps this warning will only give the message to be moderate in this work.

As Saturn actually occupies the 9th in the Solar Return which is the house of liberation, philosophical and spiritual interests and idealism but also of foreign areas and foreigners, and as he opposes Uranus situated in the sign of fishes, the house of our inner world, perhaps all these sudden events will be plaid in the mental work. We'll see.

We see that Aquarius is intercepted in your 4th house
Always when the computer calculates my chart, this 4th house is intercepted, but not, when the chart is calculated by hand.

Cassandra, I am really estonished that you did this great work in so little time! Thank you very much again! It will be a very good guide for me for this new year!:happy:

Cheers and thankfully
Sunny

[gemini59]

I have not progressed a solar return chart. I know you can progress a saturn return or one of the longer returns but I had not thought of progressing a solar. Does that work well? I will have to explore that one.

[Sunny]

Progressed Solars are useful to learn more details on your new year and to see when some predicted events could happen. It shows you the climate of the month. In every way it is a good occasion for studying.:wink:

Cheers
Sunny

[gemini59]

Sunny, now you will have to be my teacher here. I plugged in my solar return of June 13th 2009 at 8.24 am as a birthdate and used the progression computer program. The Ascendant is sort of the same but the sun is now in the 12th showing my withdrawal and a trine to neptune , moon, jupiter in the 8th. this seems dead on to what I am feeling as I am withdrawn trying to psychologically understand what happened in a 14 year relationship which is 8th house issues. I have just not used this tool and I don't understand it. It feels wierd as progressions are a year per day and this should not move that much...just confused. Do I just watch where the sun is?

[gemini59]

Wait this did not work either. I am I think confused again. I could not get the solar return chart to pull up just plugging it in as a natal. What the?

[gemini59]

Okay...I can not figure out how to progress the solar return in Astrowin.

[Sunny]

Hi, Cassandra!
Progressed Solar Return is only calculated for the degree of your natal Sun.
So, if your natal Sun sits on 20° in Gemini, you look at the ephemerids on what day the sun in the next month (here Cancer) will be at exactly 20°, will say on your birth Sun. You have to calculate it, you know it. And then you are calculating your chart just like the others: time for the natal Sun position and the place where you are staying at that day.

So - first you'll do your Solar Return. It will be in the same time your first month in your new year. Then you calculate the progressed Solars, that is the second, third months and so on.

Finally you'll interprete these progressed SR like the whole SR, that means always with your natal chart. On your "yearly" SR you can compare the progressed charts to see in what time fall this or that event.

Is that clear for you?

Cheers:happy:
Sunny

[gamzatti]

I have been following your conversation on solar return charts and where

the asc might fall. It is not clear to me how the asc could fall in any other

house but the first.When I print off charts from my computer program the

planets change but the houses aand most of the signs remain the same.

Now I feel very stupid because there's obviously something I'm not getting

Has anyone got the patience to explain? Gratefull for any help.
Gamzatti

[gemini59]

The solar return is a chart for the moment the sun returns to the exact degree at your birth by minutes and seconds. Each year it will arrive there at a different time thus the ascendant will be different each year. What you want to know is what natal house is in the same place as the solar ascendant. As an example I have Taurus at 20 degrees on my solar ascendant. My natal ascendant is Aries at 5'40. The solar ascendant is in my natal second house or at least the end of my first thus 2nd house issues will be at the forefront or 2/8 axis will be on the forefront.
HOpe this helps.

[Sunny]

Yes, that's quite right! You always have to calculate the new time at your birthday. And often you will no more staying at your birth localisation. So, all changes.

Sunny

[gamzatti]

Yes thankyou for that..I think I was a bit confused as my computer won't
print a bi wheel the solar return comes as a separate chart.So what I really have to do is transfer the solar data to the outer edge of the natal chart so to read the aspects.
It is so easy to miss things and I really concentrate to stop my mind going a blank.When things are pointed out to me I understand and can see it,particularly when interpreting with hindsight.

At the moment I'm looking at my daughters solar R as she has been trying to move house for well over a year .birthdays in May so it's a bit old now.
But Sat is in 4th house nowinVirgo making conj with natal Mars Pluto and Uranus...solar moon is in Leo still 4th house squaring natal moon in12th Gemini.She also has PlutoR on her solar R Desc.

I can only think that Saturn is holding things back[not for too long I hope as they are supposed to exchange contracts this week]

Perhaps solarR Sat is activating the other planets to make things happen?

Oh a thought just occurs to me.Isn't there something about the 4th house
being the house of your Parents endings? and with Saturn in there.Could I
be looking at my own demise?

Sorry I can't post a chart,have tried and still come up with difficulties.

[starlink]

But Sat is in 4th house

Usually with Saturn in the 4th Solar Return house, things do not change.


Sorry I can't post a chart,have tried and still come up with difficulties.
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Yes, others have had the same problem. I also could not post a chart. It should be fixed by now, so try again. Best is two different charts as well as a bi-wheel chart to see in which houses natal planets fall in the SR chart. This shows how our natal energies showed by those planets are in this coming year focussed on the house where they are in, in the SR chart. So if you have Mars in your 2nd natally, dealing mostly with money issues, and in the SR Mars falls in the 7th, you will take more initiative in dealing with relationships during this year than with your finances. Do this with all the other planets.