North Nodes

[another kat in the world]

:wink: I was wondering how much the North Node is influenced in a birth chart. I found this book called "Astrology for the Soul" and it was talking about the North Node and how much that has to do with karmic pasts. Since this was "recently" found, how much influence does this really have? My North Node is in Taurus, so what exactly does this intail? If someone could try to answer my questions so I can understand this a little better please.

[kunga]

If you have heard that the nodes are only recently "found" it was probably because western astrologers have only recently begun to have faith in their application. In the east they were calculated for thousands of years. As I understand it , the point of south node is significant for discerning the condition of the being upon its entrance into the physical life and the north node points the karmic pathway to completion of the kaarma which brought it here. Since they are not actual planets this path from birth to death was envisioned as a large serpent or dragon {the life force} coursing through the chart. The serpent head is north node and the tail is the south. It is the combination of degree , sign and house which factor the interpretation. Of course then also the aspects to natal planets. Stating you have north node in taurus is not sufficient data to judge a karmic path as it is a very involved and serious study of the entire chart. Hope this helps.

[another kat in the world]

That did help, there is a great deal that "westerners" have recently accepted, and I'm speaking not just of astrology. I think that the analogy of the serpent was excellent to describe how the nodes play into the chart. Thank you for your response. You know a lot, I see you responding all over this site. If you have time would you mind looking at my chart. June 27, 1985 7:15pm EST.I know there are a lot of questions out there, and thank you for responding. Sincerely, Kat

[kunga]

Hi Kat where were you born?

[another kat in the world]

Doylestown, Pa (Bucks County) I've been away, sorry I didn't reply earlier but I"m sure you were kept busy by all the other people on this forum. THanks for taking time out to look at my chart.

[Shining Ray]

:wink: I was wondering how much the North Node is influenced in a birth chart. I found this book called "Astrology for the Soul" and it was talking about the North Node and how much that has to do with karmic pasts. Since this was "recently" found, how much influence does this really have? My North Node is in Taurus, so what exactly does this intail? If someone could try to answer my questions so I can understand this a little better please.

I have read the North Node is not a personality guide because there is no guarantee that we will pursue North Node goals. I believe we are aware on some level of what direction we need to head towards to balance out our nodal path.

I have seen some individuals run to the North Node because the feeling of repeating steps is limiting, but because the North Node is such an untested and untried area, (especially if no planets are there) the tendency is to run back to the comfort zone (SN).

A Taurus North Node is focused on sustaining and stabilizing the nodal house area, patience, consistency etc, but you really need to look at the house position of the NN to personalize the reading.

[Spungie]

I find that study of the nodes works works well using the Sabian Symbols. And, vise versa too. The two go together really well, and I never truly understood my north or south node untill I read the sabian symbols

I have found that it almost sums up the younger you, and guides you into the future and who you will become.

(They are quite well known symbols/mental images- ie 'a white dove, a message bearer' based on an exact degree of the zodiac, for those who dont know :)

Edit: I forgot to answer your question, sorry kat. I see the nodes as relavent as anything that might quickly sum your chart up. What I mean is- it is not an extra addition to your chart/personality, like for example a planet or asteroid, but another wat at looking at it. However, this is just my opinion and I base it on little study and Amateur experience.

[Phylos]

I would add "The Moon's Nodes and Reincarnation" by Schulman to your list.

[kazman32]

I'm sorry!! I'm not trying to hijack this thread but where can one find their north and south nodes on a chart? Thank you!

[R4VEN]

I replied to kazman's post yesterday, and the post has dropped off the thread.

Time to try again.

kazman, if you look at your chart, to the right of the Saturn sign in Aries, you can see a symbol which normally should look like :northnode:, and this is the symbol for the Moon's North Node. You have it in Aries in the 10th house, closely conjunct your Midheaven. The Moon's South Node :southnode: (but not shown on your chart) will be directly opposite your North Node, and so it is at 16 degrees in Libra in the 4th house. This describes your tendencies, or your `safe place' from where you express yourself.

There is quite a bit of information on the internet on the Moon's Nodes, but it tends to be a bit all over the place. Google it and see what you can find.

Perhaps you can begin with this article from this site:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12730

[Claire19]

:wink: I was wondering how much the North Node is influenced in a birth chart. I found this book called "Astrology for the Soul" and it was talking about the North Node and how much that has to do with karmic pasts. Since this was "recently" found, how much influence does this really have? My North Node is in Taurus, so what exactly does this intail? If someone could try to answer my questions so I can understand this a little better please.

I cant stress enough the importance of the nodal axis and yes it has only just begun to have importance with many astrologers. What house is your NN?
I would say that you need to take care of your own material assets, finance and the values that you hold with these needs to be sorted out. You need to balance a budget, earn your own income and find security in material matters. We need the whole chart for the aspects though. You need to cultivate a down to earth attitude and this can include growing your own vegetables, flowers and fruits and digging in the soil to have a feeling of groundedness.

[kazman32]

Thanks so much R4VEN you have been a big help! I have a couple charts done from different sites, and it was very easy to see on another one. Not sure why it wasn't marked but learning that it's opposite my N Node is helping me learn (I have a long way to go) thanks again for your time.

[Teb]

My node has a T inside and it is a 0* taurus in the 4th house??? with absolutely no aspects!!!:crying::w00t: no other planets are in my 4th either. However my south is crowded with mars, moon and ol'neppie.

Can you all give me a clue as to what this would mean.

[unusual_suspect]

I haven't posted in a while and have been a bit of a lurker of late. Can I ask all you fellow astrolisers just how important and relevant do you feel the North Node is and do you use this point regularly when interpreting charts?

I will just add that I have a Libra North Node in my 3rd and both my parents are Librans which is kind of odd don't you think?

[R4VEN]

I haven't posted in a while and have been a bit of a lurker of late. Can I ask all you fellow astrolisers just how important and relevant do you feel the North Node is and do you use this point regularly when interpreting charts?

I will just add that I have a Libra North Node in my 3rd and both my parents are Librans which is kind of odd don't you think?
I think you'll find all of us use the Moon's North - and south - nodes in a full interpretation. After all, it is a significant karmic placement, in that it describes your past lives prior to this lifetime - ie. the south node - and the path of your soul in this lifetime is described by the Moon's North Node.

unusual_suspect, you seem to have been born to Libran parents in order to recognise and embrace some of that Libran energy which you are going to need to learn to value and utilise. It will be necessary to use some Libran `awareness of the needs of the other' in your interactions with others in order to do the work your soul requires in this lifetime.
Just using your MNN as an illustration........................

We tend to `hide' in our MSN, and avoid the work of the MNN. This is because the behaviour and feeling of the MSN is familiar to us, and we know how to do it, so we tend to keep doing it. You may feel familiar and safe in a role of freedom to do and say what you want, to wander in your life, and not be pinned down by anything or anyone. You may also have experienced past lives as a warrior - although most of us have, because in centuries past, most males (and we have all had lives as both male and female) lived their whole adult lives as warriors of some kind.

[freedomlover]

My node has a T inside and it is a 0* taurus in the 4th house??? with absolutely no aspects!!!:crying::w00t: no other planets are in my 4th either. However my south is crowded with mars, moon and ol'neppie.

Can you all give me a clue as to what this would mean.

Just a possible interpretation:

Concentrate more on creating material stability and your own home.
(North Node in Taurus/4th)

Manipulation to gain respect/or obsession with career and/or power and success may be interfering with your ability to do so.
(South Node in Scorpio/10th conjunct Mars, Moon, and "Neppie")

FL

[Nexus7]

I would recommend Kevin Burk's book on the topic, and his discussions on te nodes seemed trenchant, I thought.

[kirlie]

I've been reading two of Jan Spiller's books lately. I am a little confused about one thing. What is the difference between node house placement and node sign. The way her book Astrology for the Soul is set up it says the sign or house placement at the start of each chapter (ex Aries or the First House). Then she talks about what our souls are supposed to achieve and move away from in this lifetime. I guess where my confusion is, what if you have a sign that is in the opposing house? For example, my girlfriend has a Pisces North Node in the sixth house. How can she be moving towards and away from Virgo's virtues at the same time? Thanks for any explanation you can give.

[unusual_suspect]

I am not sure of how to interprate planets and points in cojunction with the south node, any pointers?

[marestar20]

So if one's north node is in the 10th house, does that mean that one's career will play an important role in fulfilling one's karma in this life?

[R4VEN]

So if one's north node is in the 10th house, does that mean that one's career will play an important role in fulfilling one's karma in this life?
Not necessarily.

As I read it, aa North Node 10th house means you have South Node in 4th, so that is your comfort zone - home, family, the familiar, people you know, your family surrounding you.

A 10th house MNN demands that you stand alone (Saturn rules the 10th house), be responsible for yourself, stand up for what you believe in - even if it goes against what others close to you believe. If this means pursuing a career which only you can understand and believe in, then so be it. Your career may be important in your karma. But career is not the only 10th house issue. You may choose to go against your family's expectations of you, and this will be difficult for you. With Aries on your MNN, you will have the strength and ambition to pursue this - or you should.

[marestar20]

Not necessarily.

As I read it, aa North Node 10th house means you have South Node in 4th, so that is your comfort zone - home, family, the familiar, people you know, your family surrounding you.

A 10th house MNN demands that you stand alone (Saturn rules the 10th house), be responsible for yourself, stand up for what you believe in - even if it goes against what others close to you believe. If this means pursuing a career which only you can understand and believe in, then so be it. Your career may be important in your karma. But career is not the only 10th house issue. You may choose to go against your family's expectations of you, and this will be difficult for you. With Aries on your MNN, you will have the strength and ambition to pursue this - or you should.


That was extremely helpful, R4VEN, thank you. Very relevant for me right now.

[paulomercurio]

Well in my own opinion the North Node is only a Proposal of the Karmic Mission in this life...I have my North Node in Aquarius, for instance, but i see it more as a kind of Invitation of the High spheres to our spirit evolution...Taurus is earth and so, for me the soul searches for a rest of past battles since its connected with Mother Nature and its misteries...u can check if you want the Ancient cult of the Sun God Mitra and the Bull symbol...

[blacksun?]

Here's a pretty good article on the nodes. The site contains more good articles.

http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/moonnodesatbirth.php :

North Node: Point of intake. Earth-nature is open to and receives the Moon's energies.

South node: Point of release. The results of the assimilation by the living earth-organism (or personality) of the Moon's energies are exteriorized, or (when negative)' are evacuated or repudiated.

[paulomercurio]

thx for the tip black sun

Paulo

[Claire19]

I'm sorry!! I'm not trying to hijack this thread but where can one find their north and south nodes on a chart? Thank you!
Yours is 10th house Aries and the South Node is always polar opposite so in Libra 4th. This time around you need to have a more public life and a career using your initiative and being assertive in reaching your goals.
You are used to being at home in the past and pleasing everyone else and
keeping the peace. You can be an authority figure and the one calling the shots. THe more traditional masculine role but more and more women are having careers and some power in the outside world.

I would advise reading Martin Schulman's book in the subject.

[astro09]

Just to add a little bit more to these interesting feedbacks here, there is a good potential to have succes in life when the nodes are angular....Hope this is your case..

[snap13]

I liked this page on the Nodes. Presented the idea of the synthesis of the NN & SN issues we face rather than polarizing them (NN vs SN).

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/classroom/tools/2000_09_19_nodes.html

[Neptune_Lady]

I've been reading two of Jan Spiller's books lately. I am a little confused about one thing. What is the difference between node house placement and node sign. The way her book Astrology for the Soul is set up it says the sign or house placement at the start of each chapter (ex Aries or the First House). Then she talks about what our souls are supposed to achieve and move away from in this lifetime. I guess where my confusion is, what if you have a sign that is in the opposing house? For example, my girlfriend has a Pisces North Node in the sixth house. How can she be moving towards and away from Virgo's virtues at the same time? Thanks for any explanation you can give.

That is a good question. She touches on this on page 11. Here is what she said,
"If your North Node is in a house opposing the sign of your North Node(as noted above-Pisces NN in 6th House), it will be necessary for you to carefully and continuously check with yourself to find the right blending of behavior. Remember, generally the house indicates where to learn the lessons of the sign. The house is like a shell-the environment you need to support the content of the sign." Jan Spiller-Astrology for the Soul

[soulblazer]

I know I have north node in scorpio and I have read up on it. "not afraid to find the child inside the murderer" or something. I hope this doesn't sound silly but I have a need to heal or comfort people with their personal pain. I want to do it through art as one of the ways very strongly. I don't know if it's my chiron in aries though instead which I read: "You can open your wound and show it to the world and help others heal." SCAAAREY lol but it makes a bit of sense I guess from some uh... actions in the past. I can hardly see that little north node symbol in my chart but I think it is in the second house? This I find to be the most interesting thing. I'm a bit obsessed with the north node. >>

[Ineta]

From my personal chart: North node very connected with my parents. My neptune is conjunct mothers north node and my north node is tightly conjunct fathers Neptune/Venus conjunction.

Recently been to fortuneteller and she said I have to heal my fathers (and his fatherfathers) bad karma.

[Claire19]

I am not sure of how to interprate planets and points in cojunction with the south node, any pointers?
We need to look at the NN as it is the path this time around. The planets aspecting that tell us where we are going.. THe orb would be also be small, around 2-3 degrees only. THe success or not that we have in making that polar shift depends on the aspects to it and how we handle them.

INevitably when we go back to the familiarity of the SN then we find dissatisfaction and are then impelled to look at the opposite situation.
The wise thing is to incorporate our SN expertise into the NN experience this time around.

[Claire19]

From my personal chart: North node very connected with my parents. My neptune is conjunct mothers north node and my north node is tightly conjunct fathers Neptune/Venus conjunction.

Recently been to fortuneteller and she said I have to heal my fathers (and his fatherfathers) bad karma.


Very interesting. Before reincarnating you may have undertaken to deal with issues of healing this time around with and for your parents. A very high vocation indeed I would say. Your father probably has high ideals about love and can have been disillusioned as a result and hopefully didnt take solace in alcohol or drugs.

When we have nodal contacts with our parents it is a surefire indication of karmic connections from the past.

[R4VEN]

When we have nodal contacts with our parents it is a surefire indication of karmic connections from the past.
That's an interesting comment, Claire, and I have seen quite a bit of evidence to support this.
My next eldest brother was very aggressive/abusive towards me in childhood. He has almost never been aggressive towards anyone else in his life. I am currently trawling through the many `events' with him in my healing journey.

His MNN is conj my Cancer Moon in the 6th - only 14' separate the two. (His natal Uranus is also closely conj my Vertex, indicating a `fated' relationship.) There was a huge level of violence in his dealings with me; some was mental/emotional, but most was physical. He used to target me specifically, and then justify what he did as being `necessary'.

[Claire19]

My node has a T inside and it is a 0* taurus in the 4th house??? with absolutely no aspects!!!:crying::w00t: no other planets are in my 4th either. However my south is crowded with mars, moon and ol'neppie.

Can you all give me a clue as to what this would mean.I have my NOrth node in 4th too. It means that we need to concentrate on our homes this around rather than our careers or public life. In Taurus you need to buy or obtain your own property to feel secure. You can live on a farm, grow your own produce and generally be in touch with nature. Your 10th has Neptune, Mars and Moon??/ Wow. You probably have some kind of goals there. However you can work from home for instance. Does the SN touch any of these planets??? That would give a fuller picture of your past circumstances. You may find deception and confusion with dealing with authority figures and with parental issues too. THere is some kind of mystery there and I would suggest to do with your family. May be addictions too.

[kbell]

My north node is in my first house beside my ascendant next to Neptune and Mars. South node is in the 7th house with my moon. Does this mean I will have karmic relationships and that I need to focus on myself in this life?

[kaminari]

My north node is in my first house beside my ascendant next to Neptune and Mars. South node is in the 7th house with my moon. Does this mean I will have karmic relationships and that I need to focus on myself in this life?

I have N. node in the 1st too, & recently an ex of mine came back into my life after a broken engagement & I pulled up her chart & she has the 1st house placement as well.

I think this is a difficult placement, at least for me. My sign position is 0 Pisces. Water & fire don't mix. But I've found that rewards come when I am selfish, focused on my needs etc. Relationships are karmic. It's hard to break away from these people.

I decided to give up on love, at least the co-dependent kind I know well. If you find yourself in a co-dependent trap, escape. It's the best thing you can do for yourself.

Check this out:

http://raginguniverse.blogspot.com/2007/04/north-node-in-aries-or-first-house.html

Also, look at your chart & see how you are getting pulled or held back from the n. node. It's quite interesting what I see in mine.

[kbell]

I find it incredibly difficult to break away, as well, from those karmic relationships. I have a deep rooted fear of being alone and I'm working on that. I am not constantly in romantic relationships, but I surround myself with unhealthy relationships. I know this life has a lesson for me to be more independent and stand on my own two feet. It just seems terribly lonely. Btw mine is at 10 degrees Sagi conjunct Mars. I'm pretty fiery :)

[kaminari]

I find it incredibly difficult to break away, as well, from those karmic relationships. I have a deep rooted fear of being alone and I'm working on that. I am not constantly in romantic relationships, but I surround myself with unhealthy relationships. I know this life has a lesson for me to be more independent and stand on my own two feet. It just seems terribly lonely. Btw mine is at 10 degrees Sagi conjunct Mars. I'm pretty fiery :)

That means the South is at 10 Gemini. What's that like? Mine is at 0 Virgo. I get supercritical at my exes. It's cause I need to break away.

If your Mars is so close to the North & the Moon close to the South, that must make life interesting!! I have oppositions on the MC/IC but nothing in the Asc/Desc.

But don't be lonely. Life is good to be alone. I've started to attract people that admire my independence. Now that's a change. So refreshing, they love me for being free & honest/direct (1st house), though at times I'm still wishy-washy (Mars Libra).

Yeah, N. node Sag, with Mars!! there too, get out there & see the world!!

[kbell]

I haven't really thought too much about how it makes me. I have Neptune right with Mars and North node and they're all opposition my Moon in the 7th. I haven't thought too much about what that means, but I know it's not very good. I can be very charming, but then I can also be a bit overemotional, dramatic, the works. I have a hard time sustaining a relationship. I am kind of fun, innocent, always thinking, etc. I drive the men in my life nuts, though I guess, even though they love me. I want to break out of this cycle, though, and actually hope to one day be able to have something positive with someone. I'm not getting any younger lol

[kaminari]

I haven't really thought too much about how it makes me. I have Neptune right with Mars and North node and they're all opposition my Moon in the 7th. I haven't thought too much about what that means, but I know it's not very good. I can be very charming, but then I can also be a bit overemotional, dramatic, the works. I have a hard time sustaining a relationship. I am kind of fun, innocent, always thinking, etc. I drive the men in my life nuts, though I guess, even though they love me. I want to break out of this cycle, though, and actually hope to one day be able to have something positive with someone. I'm not getting any younger lol

Just get out there & meet guys. All & any. With that node in the 1st, be yourself & people will love you for it. Btw, I'm still single at 39 but I stopped caring this year after really studying my chart every day for like 4 hours. It took a "perfect girl" to do it to me. She wasn't perfect at all, I realized later. I think I'll find someone who appreciates me & let's me to be free. My ex from a few years back, she too has N. node in the 1st. She just broke off an engagement & ran to me. Everything was perfect, she said. She was living in the Pacific, doing what she wanted, with stability & support. But she can't breathe. That's all. Even in the most perfect setting we can't breathe. Maybe she'll go back & try again. But that sounds like the old 1st/7th trap. I think once we start breathing on our own, & moving in new directions, fun stuff, we'll meet fun people. And they'll let us breathe. Don't give up. Everybody gets old & ugly one day. Get out there while there's still time (for both of us lol).

[kbell]

It's true I need to feel free too. It's only recently after a relationship in my life ended that I realize I need to finally just be me and if he can't accept how I am then he's not right for me. I guess I must have been holding back. I don't know about meeting any and all men lol.

[kaminari]

I don't know about meeting any and all men lol.

Oops, I'm prone to exaggeration if u haven't guessed that already. Just saying that as 1st housers we gotta get out into the world. Life is short.

[kbell]

I understand :) I feel like now though is a good time for me to find some independence and personal happiness. I don't feel like I can have a good positive relationship unless I work on myself first so before I go looking for someone, I just want to make sure I'm ready.

[kaminari]

I understand :) I feel like now though is a good time for me to find some independence and personal happiness. I don't feel like I can have a good positive relationship unless I work on myself first so before I go looking for someone, I just want to make sure I'm ready.

Relationships are cool but i'm thinking they're better when they end. Yeah it's pain & this relationship junkie feels like he's dying when he doesn't get his fix. Cause you ever heard that when relationships end it's like the tide receding back toward the ocean uncovering gems? The water is like the emotions & only once they go back, they carry bits of sand of ourselves, but uncovering these gems we never knew were there. That's why relationships are good. They teach us stuff about ourselves we never would have known before. Peace to you.

[07.Re]

Relationships are cool but i'm thinking they're better when they end.

Hmm Kam, I'm not sure I agree with this.

I have been married for 13 years and I've grown enormously as a soul / person through the relationship. My husband is the only person in the whole world that knows all my deep, dark secrets and still chooses to love me unconditionally and without judgement. He is honestly my best friend.

:love::love:

[kaminari]

Hmm Kam, I'm not sure I agree with this.

I have been married for 13 years and I've grown enormously as a soul / person through the relationship. My husband is the only person in the whole world that knows all my deep, dark secrets and still chooses to love me unconditionally and without judgement. He is honestly my best friend.

:love::love:

I really relate to this analogy though. Cause I seem to "lose myself" in relationships. Maybe it's my 7th house South node sign placement or stellium in Libra, or all my planets in Scorpio & Saturn in Taurus so desperately fearful of letting go once I'm holding on. Sure, things come out with a partner, but only when it's over do I feel, "wow, this is me. Not that person." Obviously I haven't found "the one" if one exists for me. Probably because I'm always searching for self (1st house North node).

Perhaps one day I'll feel like you. But in my 39 years I've had 8 "love" relationships where it was impossible for me to leave. They or the Universe forced me to end it. I was heartbroken each time. But I'm glad I had that experience cause a learned a little each time to stand stronger. And I was able to share life on earth with many beautiful, wonderful, unusual, crazy, psychotic people. LOL

Now, here I am free as a bird. My last ex & I are friends. But I had to tell her yesterday I can't call her for a long while. I feel more energized, cause even as "friends" I was giving her all of my energy (co-dependent) & not getting much in return. Now thinking about everything from start to finish, & "yes! This is me! Not that guy who calls his "friend" every night, meets etc etc. I love her but I've got better things to do with my time. That's what I'm talking about. Maybe I'm selfish but hey. I don't really need anybody. But I respect your experience & others.

I feel like everything I just wrote makes no sense. lol

[07.Re]

I feel like everything I just wrote makes no sense. lol

Your post makes perfect sense :)

Love shouldn't feel like a burden... it shouldn't feel heavy... and it shouldn't feel as though you are giving up your true self for the use of someone else...

Your soul is in the place it wants to be for the growth it needs at this stage and when the time is right, fate will step in and your world will change :love: and I daresay that it will be like nothing you have felt before...

[kaminari]

Your post makes perfect sense :)

Love shouldn't feel like a burden... it shouldn't feel heavy... and it shouldn't feel as though you are giving up your true self for the use of someone else...

Your soul is in the place it wants to be for the growth it needs at this stage and when the time is right, fate will step in and your world will change :love: and I daresay that it will be like nothing you have felt before...

Hey! Hey! Love love love it. :love:

btw, where's your node? I need to steer us back onto the topic cause I think we have been off-roadin'. Oops!

[07.Re]

Natally, my node is in Capricorn in the fifth house...perhaps a need to learn self expression in this lifetime.
In my relocated chart it places the node in my 12th house...I haven't researched this placement yet as I'm not sure its "valid" in a relocated chart.

[kaminari]

Natally, my node is in Capricorn in the fifth house...perhaps a need to learn self expression in this lifetime.
In my relocated chart it places the node in my 12th house...I haven't researched this placement yet as I'm not sure its "valid" in a relocated chart.

you're an artist yeah? I don't think the relocated chart changes much. Kind of adds a dimension to something already there. Maybe like poking a hole in a new part of the wall or ceiling to get a better glimpse of what's already sitting there inside. But knowledgeable astrologers correct me if I'm wrong.

I say this cause I live far away from home & during my studies I got really concerned about relocation charts, SRs, progressions etc. But professionals grounded me, always saying to compare to the natal.

So, do you feel the 5th house placement? I really feel/see my 1st.

[kbell]

Kam, I feel a lot like you do probably because we have the same node house placements. I do feel like I learn something about myself after each one, but it is still hard to break away.

[kaminari]

Kam, I feel a lot like you do probably because we have the same node house placements. I do feel like I learn something about myself after each one, but it is still hard to break away.

But breakaway you must 1st house girl. If there are any other 1st-housers who disagree I'd like to know. Our karma is in relationships. Have them, learn it, free yourself, let's walk into the jungle together & see what we find. These people hold us back. It is only in searching for yourself that the 'other' will find you.

I'm sorry, I have a lot of co-dependent experience. But now I'm not afraid to meet people, if they want a relationship & I don't feel it I tell them. They'll stay or go. I'm only speaking for myself, but I lead & they follow. Those are the new rules of the road. Protect your heart before it gets involved, cause with South node 7th it's hard to leave. My old girl from 3 years ago is experiencing the same thing. She ran back to me from a "safe" place. We are true friends now I know. And somehow we're walking the same path into the jungle of the unknown. As individuals. Alone, but maybe psychically tied together. We are giving each other strength & walk that path & others that make you feel alive will follow. Those other people that are holding you back? They'll disappear. Once you learn the lesson you don't need them.

[kbell]

You're completely right. I've never met anyone else with 1st/7th nodes before.

[kbell]

South node 7th it's hard to leave.

In the last relationship I had I put up with a lot of stuff that wasn't good for me. Nothing truly bad, but I thought I loved the person. I thought he only had so much to give, but it turned out after we broke up he was with someone else and now he's going to marry her (we only broke up at the end of October). He just didn't have much to give to me, and I hung on way too long. From now on if something isn't fulfilling me completely I'm not going to hang around. I want things on equal terms, not just mine or not just his. So now that I know this it's half the battle. I just need to make sure I don't put someone else's needs before my own all the time.

[kaminari]

In the last relationship I had I put up with a lot of stuff that wasn't good for me. Nothing truly bad, but I thought I loved the person. I thought he only had so much to give, but it turned out after we broke up he was with someone else and now he's going to marry her (we only broke up at the end of October). He just didn't have much to give to me, and I hung on way too long. From now on if something isn't fulfilling me completely I'm not going to hang around. I want things on equal terms, not just mine or not just his. So now that I know this it's half the battle. I just need to make sure I don't put someone else's needs before my own all the time.

Yes!! Your experience is mine. Definitely 1st/7th. I sent u a PM (check it out) to give other house placements their due.

[kbell]

I think we kind of took over this topic by accident

[kaminari]

I think we kind of took over this topic by accident

Nobody else wants to contribute. I'd really like to hear from more 1st/7th people. Maybe we're being selfish? We should start a new thread just for us! :innocent:

[kbell]

I'm curious to hear from others with that placement as well.

[Erickaf]

I have N. node in the 1st too, & recently an ex of mine came back into my life after a broken engagement & I pulled up her chart & she has the 1st house placement as well.

I think this is a difficult placement, at least for me. My sign position is 0 Pisces. Water & fire don't mix. But I've found that rewards come when I am selfish, focused on my needs etc. Relationships are karmic. It's hard to break away from these people.

I decided to give up on love, at least the co-dependent kind I know well. If you find yourself in a co-dependent trap, escape. It's the best thing you can do for yourself.

Check this out:

http://raginguniverse.blogspot.com/2007/04/north-node-in-aries-or-first-house.html

Also, look at your chart & see how you are getting pulled or held back from the n. node. It's quite interesting what I see in mine.

I cried a bit when i first dicovered the 1/7 nodes because reminds me of my brother. my brother has thisplacement and i wish he couild break free from his codependent realtionship. he is so trapped but keeps making excuses. i know its none of my business but i know he will truly 'find' himself once he breaks free from her. but my brother is a double pisces, he can be too nice and doesnt want to hurt others. very interesting article.

[kaminari]

I cried a bit when i first dicovered the 1/7 nodes because reminds me of my brother. my brother has thisplacement and i wish he couild break free from his codependent realtionship. he is so trapped but keeps making excuses. i know its none of my business but i know he will truly 'find' himself once he breaks free from her. but my brother is a double pisces, he can be too nice and doesnt want to hurt others. very interesting article.

How old is he? It has taken me 20 years to deal with the karma, but it's cool. I got girls have my age who want me, it's so funny. Once we find our way we find it. Yeah, break up that relationship. If it's bad for him he'll see. But it's not really your job. Send your brother to me.

By the way, I'm a double Scorpio plus four. Pisces love & respect me. If he is really in a messed up situation, I'll talk sense into him.

[Erickaf]

he is 32! I love him so much. he is so talented, but hasnt gotten his career stated yet even though he has a degree in History, he is working on a book and hopes to get it published someday. he has only had 1 gf, and its definetly codependence. i wont dare speak about his relationship again, it causes him great frustration. he feel he 'owes' her marriage. yes and its not my job. his relationship taught him a lot i am sure of that, she has wonderful patience which i admire, she is a little older than him and has had her share of ex lovers before my brother, and i wish she can understand that the lessons he will learn someday. he is not in a messed up situation. he is a deep thinker and i am sure the nodes resonates greatly for him. he is with her because she is good to him, i know this. that is the type of person my brother is. besides she has scorpio venus she can be very posessive and wont let go of him even if he wanted to.
i can see now how hard the 1/7 node lesson is! he is a relationship type of person with his venus in taurus, he loves stability and he will always crave it. he is not miserable. his full potential hasn't bloomed yet. he is still young.

[Erickaf]

mollyastrology.com

North Node in Aries (http://www.mollysastrology.com/astrology-tutorials/aries), South Node in Libra:

North Node in Aries represents a karmic drive to embrace your identity, to make your own decisions and live your own life. The South Node in Libra represents a longing for relationship. The longing is so strong and intense, that you often will try to make the connection by doing the Libra thing, trying to be the person you think your partner wants. This never works. You will find fulfilling relationships only when you embrace your own desires and wants (Aries), take the risk of being your own person, following your impulses. Only then can the right relationship appear.


something i found interesting. even though my brother has north NN libra but its in the 1st.

[kaminari]

something i found interesting. even though my brother has north NN libra but its in the 1st.

I know a person with this same aspect. She's always in relationships of some sort, from one to another. Finally she's free but I'm thinking she's already got someone else she's after.

I think it's good to be there for him, but with 1st house N. node he has to make his own decisions. All my life my family were trying to tell me things & I did the opposite. Maybe just let him be free to choose. Isn't that the best support?

What's your nodal placement?

[R4VEN]

Nobody else wants to contribute. I'd really like to hear from more 1st/7th people. Maybe we're being selfish? We should start a new thread just for us! :innocent:
I do not have this nodal placement, but my best friend does, and reading your posts has helped me feel more empathic towards her.

She and I are in our early 60's. She has been a relationship junkie all her life. She told me once that she could not remember a time when she didn't have a boyfriend............. "Maybe when I was 6 or 7", she once said, but then remembered there was a boy called Richard who smiled at her in class, so he was kinda like her boyfriend!!

She is always in a relationship, and is currently on the tail end of husband #4, and is finding it hard to let him go. She hangs on to all her relationships for far too long (IMO), and then they get a bit ugly. She seems to justify this `hanging on' by saying that she still feels there is something she can learn from being in the relationship.

She is currrently getting closer to accessing her MNN in the 1st, very close to her Asc. This Asc is in Taurus, so she has to be in a r/ship. I understand that perfectly, but there is still a place for independence and self determination within a relationship. I think she is currently striving for this.

[kaminari]

She hangs on to all her relationships for far too long (IMO), and then they get a bit ugly. She seems to justify this `hanging on' by saying that she still feels there is something she can learn from being in the relationship.

Totally relate. I remember hanging onto some crazy relationships. I would complain (S. node Virgo) but still stick around. I think having N. node 0 Pisces in the 1st isn't easy.

Hey, I have a question. On some of the chart selection styles, they use the "mean node" instead of the "true node." I think I read somewhere, that in the old days, they used to use mean node because they didn't have the ability to calculate the true node, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, have you ever seen a chart where the node was so close to the cusp, so that the mean & true overlap? (in mine, true node=0Pis17; mean node=29Aqu12)

I also identify with the N. node Aqu/S. node Leo very much, but it could also be because it's my ascendant/descendant, yet it seems the "Leo" in me often comes out in relationships & it's not a good thing. And after a relationship ends, I later try to be friends with that person (N. node Aqu). It feels like it's my destiny to be friends with these people. But out of 8 relationships, I've remained "friends" with one. It's hard to explain.


there is still a place for independence and self determination within a relationship. I think she is currently striving for this.

This is also my goal. I got close to this in my last LTR, but she lived an hour away & I saw her only once a week. Anytime we spent more than a few days together (vacations) we were always fighting. lol

[kbell]

That's my goal too.

[Claire19]

I have my north node in Gemini conjunct Uranus and in the 4th.
I need to keep learning this time around and astrology of course is a major factor. That I teach and continue to learn at home adds to this with all the whizz bang computer science at my disposal. Although I have concentrated on having a comfortable and secure home this time around I am still independent and as the 4th deals with later life conditions and grave site I will be interred near my sister in a community grave I imagine.
My neighbours have always been very significant in my life also.

My south node often calls with Sagittarius there and I travel a lot. However in the 10th I have never reached a position of authority and felt inadequate because of that until I learned that the home area is to be my focus.
So when you go towards the familiar and the south node conditions you will be forced to go to the polar opposite due to lack of satisfaction or opportunity. This is the major life path I believe. With no aspects I can imagine there would be less inclination to do so.....

[Claire19]

mollyastrology.com

North Node in Aries (http://www.mollysastrology.com/astrology-tutorials/aries), South Node in Libra:

North Node in Aries represents a karmic drive to embrace your identity, to make your own decisions and live your own life. The South Node in Libra represents a longing for relationship. The longing is so strong and intense, that you often will try to make the connection by doing the Libra thing, trying to be the person you think your partner wants. This never works. You will find fulfilling relationships only when you embrace your own desires and wants (Aries), take the risk of being your own person, following your impulses. Only then can the right relationship appear.


something i found interesting. even though my brother has north NN libra but its in the 1st.
How many of us have nodal connections with our family and friends and other significant persons?? This is always karmic and from the past in my view.

ANy feedback for this from your own observations??

[07.Re]

How many of us have nodal connections with our family and friends and other significant persons?? This is always karmic and from the past in my view.

ANy feedback for this from your own observations??

Claire, my eldest sons Venus conjuncts my true node (0°05) in Capricorn

I am unable to see where my parents nodes are as they are both unsure of their birth times and I don't have the experience to work with solar arcs.

[R4VEN]

I am unable to see where my parents nodes are as they are both unsure of their birth times and I don't have the experience to work with solar arcs.
Not knowing their birth times will only mean you do not know what houses their nodes occupy. You will still be able to check out their chart against your own.

eg. I know dates and places of my parents' births, but have never known their times.
My father's MNN is quite closely conjuct my Vertex, while my mother's MNN is in my 12th house, close enough to my Cap Asc to be called a conjunction. Now, in regard to my mother, she had some things she could have learned from me - and I think she knew that - but she tended to suppress this in me, so in effect, shooting herself in the foot.

That is, it's the placement of these against your own chart which is significant for you.

[07.Re]

Not knowing their birth times will only mean you do not know what houses their nodes occupy. You will still be able to check out their chart against your own.

eg. I know dates and places of my parents' births, but have never known their times.
My father's MNN is quite closely conjuct my Vertex, while my mother's MNN is in my 12th house, close enough to my Cap Asc to be called a conjunction. Now, in regard to my mother, she had some things she could have learned from me - and I think she knew that - but she tended to suppress this in me, so in effect, shooting herself in the foot.

That is, it's the placement of these against your own chart which is significant for you.

Aahh... Thanks for that explanation R4ven!

My Mom's true node is at 4° Virgo and my natal Venus is at 2°Virgo... so again, I'm seeing the Venus conjunction (as my son has with me).

[R4VEN]

My Mom's true node is at 4° Virgo and my natal Venus is at 2°Virgo... so again, I'm seeing the Venus conjunction (as my son has with me).
So, it would appear that Venus is an hereditary `factor' in your family line, just as Mercury seems to be in my own.

Once you start on hereditary planet placements, 07.Re, you'll never come up for air!!!!

[kaminari]

my natal Venus is at 2°Virgo...

Wow, you're conjunct my S. node (within 2 degrees) 2 degrees from my Vertex.

I was thinking of people in my life who conjuncted my S. node. One was a good friend of mine, when I was in mid-20s, kind of lost. We'd always hang out, kind of best friends, for about a year. He needed a roommate so I ended up moving in with him & on the same day I moved in he said he was leaving. I was young. Didn't have enough money to pay all the rent. He left a pregnant cat there, she had kittens. I was there for a week with kittens everywhere & had to find a new place & a place for the kittens. The guy left me stranded. Ditched. His Sun was conjunct my S. node. (it was a lesson in "Trust the Universe" Pisces N. node).

That's the key I think with the S. node. If we try to "milk" it too much, disaster happens. This girl I know. The same thing. Sun & Mercury conjunct my S. node. She's like family. But she dumped me. I felt abandoned (it was a lesson in "Trust the Universe" Pisces N. node).

So, I'm thinking that S. node conjuncts (for me at least) are comfortable but to be avoided. There's a girl in my lab who has the same Sun conjunct my S. node. She gives me that "look." I think the Universe is testing me. I'm not taking the bait this time.:innocent:

[07.Re]

Wow, you're conjunct my S. node (within 2 degrees) 2 degrees from my Vertex.

I was thinking of people in my life who conjuncted my S. node. One was a good friend of mine, when I was in mid-20s, kind of lost. We'd always hang out, kind of best friends, for about a year. He needed a roommate so I ended up moving in with him & on the same day I moved in he said he was leaving. I was young. Didn't have enough money to pay all the rent. He left a pregnant cat there, she had kittens. I was there for a week with kittens everywhere & had to find a new place & a place for the kittens. The guy left me stranded. Ditched. His Sun was conjunct my S. node. (it was a lesson in "Trust the Universe" Pisces N. node).

That's the key I think with the S. node. If we try to "milk" it too much, disaster happens. This girl I know. The same thing. Sun & Mercury conjunct my S. node. She's like family. But she dumped me. I felt abandoned (it was a lesson in "Trust the Universe" Pisces N. node).

So, I'm thinking that S. node conjuncts (for me at least) are comfortable but to be avoided. There's a girl in my lab who has the same Sun conjunct my S. node. She gives me that "look." I think the Universe is testing me. I'm not taking the bait this time.:innocent:

Oh dear! Here I thought we had a firm friendship forming :wink:

[kaminari]

Oh dear! Here I thought we had a firm friendship forming :wink:

Friends ok but no Venus love-love. lol

[Erickaf]

I know a person with this same aspect. She's always in relationships of some sort, from one to another. Finally she's free but I'm thinking she's already got someone else she's after.

I think it's good to be there for him, but with 1st house N. node he has to make his own decisions. All my life my family were trying to tell me things & I did the opposite. Maybe just let him be free to choose. Isn't that the best support?

What's your nodal placement?
how old are you?
thats the thing about my brother he has rarely made his own decisions except entering university. when i was living in another city he wrote me a letter and it said something along the lines of him saying he wants to make his own decisions in life. he seemed frustrated in the letter. i do let him choose but someties i can be tough its probably my nodal axis, 7/1 in cancer/capricorn:unsure:...so i understand my brother yet i dont...if that makes sense. i believe in tough love but my brother is so sweet and fragile man and i know if i am tougher he will only resent me but lately since 3 years now i have been softer....perhaps i am growing into my own nodes to be softer like cancer and nurturing.

[kaminari]

how old are you?
thats the thing about my brother he has rarely made his own decisions except entering university. when i was living in another city he wrote me a letter and it said something along the lines of him saying he wants to make his own decisions in life. he seemed frustrated in the letter. i do let him choose but someties i can be tough its probably my nodal axis, 7/1 in cancer/capricorn:unsure:...so i understand my brother yet i dont...if that makes sense. i believe in tough love but my brother is so sweet and fragile man and i know if i am tougher he will only resent me but lately since 3 years now i have been softer....perhaps i am growing into my own nodes to be softer like cancer and nurturing.

I'm 39 going on 18. I think the older I get the younger I feel & it's a curse, man. Yeah anyway, I came from a family of two older sisters & Mom. Dad wasn't around often, but when I was little everyone tells me "your feet never touched the ground." So, coming from that early experience, with two older sisters, a strong mom, etc I never had to do anything. I didn't have to make any decisions. I didn't have to compete, everything was handed to me. It was free meals & constant fun for 17 years. The only thing I did was study. I wanted to be a doctor. By luck I got accepted into a good uni & we went there for an interview, to make sure it was good. Well, I didn't have any questions. My mother spoke the entire time asking every single question available (Moon in Aquarius, Venus in Virgo). That's just how it was. Since 10, after both sisters left, she raised me as a single mom. When I left home at 17 her world ended & mine began. (She got a new man 15 years younger!!) And for me, I changed my mind & studied three different majors. I then went out into the world in search of my face. And 22 years later I still feel like that "drunken beggar on horseback" cause I'm reeling around but hey, I'm going somewhere. When I came to Japan 6 years ago, my family had all but given up on me. They gave me the greatest advice & I took it all but only listened to my own, & my inner voice led me from one bad choice to another. The latest bad choice finishes this April. It's my fifth career (scientist-cook-webmaster-English teacher-& scientific editor) that I've declared to everyone, "finally I've found my dream job!" They're all laughing at me again. I don't even know what I'm doing or where I'm going. I've narrowed the list down to at least five cities on two continents. I can't tell you how mad my parents are about my life choices. My sisters are so successful & I'm not, but they still love me. I'm a 1st house node drunken beggar on horseback & I gotta find my way in life. I'm always searching for myself. My best friend thus far in Japan, he's so perplexed about me. He says he knows who he is. I really really admire him for that. He's a South node Aries with Venus there. Heck yeah he knows.

[Claire19]

Just a possible interpretation:

Concentrate more on creating material stability and your own home.
(North Node in Taurus/4th)

Manipulation to gain respect/or obsession with career and/or power and success may be interfering with your ability to do so.
(South Node in Scorpio/10th conjunct Mars, Moon, and "Neppie")

FL
Interesting that SN Scorpio is conjunct Moon, if you have a tight orb of under 3 degrees, that is. Your NN in Taurus 4th will lead you towards establishing roots and material assets to make you feel comfortable and secure. You may grow a vegetable garden, flowers and shrubs may give you a feeling of well being. Your mother is more than likely a contact from the past with the SN conjunction to Moon. If it is a tight aspect to Mars then there was conflict with her that may have to be dealt with this time but in a less authoritarian way as the 10th sometimes indicates being male authority figure and you may have been somewhat aggressive.

It is time to be more nurturing and family oriented and I am assuming a more female role.

I know something of this with my NN in 4th house too.